Lively Case Discussion #493 7/13 - 7/14/2006

[KatzHome]

Hi monkeys.

What are we hashing out tonight? Is it porn? yuk

Hey Memphis.. well in the front page post, where Red talks about the book dbl yuck... that sporter is writing... he mentions the porn site joran went to.. it's one that was previously unknown... which is how we got to this topic


Hey Katz!!  Nomad... everyone I have missed...

Hi Mrs. Red...   as usual....  I'm catching up...  

[spooky112483]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

I actually think Joran is more entrepreneur than psychopath.    

Joran is crazy like a fox.   again.

I think with him it was all about the "Benjamins" and the "fringe benefits". Sample the merchandise and pass it along to the market.

SB we dissagree!!!!!!!!!!
I think Freddy is the entrepreneur and Joran is still the psycho with dollar signs, booz and booty in his eyes. he is like the drug dealer that snorts his own drugs

[Tylergal]

Was a video uploaded from Joran's home to that site afterwards?

I'm not sure they were making a snuff video that night...  but I'd chance a guess that Joran and Deepak were turned on by them...  and maybe that's what happened...

I'm wondering if Joran was into that erotic asphyxiation, and that's how Natalee died.  Joran was in that picture of him choking the other kid with the belt.  I could even see Joran as bisexual, getting it on with Guido & Natalee with Freddy taping it.  Joran gets so worked up that he pulls the belt tighter and tighter around Natalee's neck until she expires.  Would particpating in killing by accidental asphyxiation during a sexual tryst be considered heavy battery?

I have thought about that an awful lot.  I know that people do this kind of thing, and I hate to think about it, but that is very possible.

[KatzHome]

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I was trying to hold out for the



but fear I am just too weary tonight.  Good night monkeys and I am sure Spooky will be along shortly.

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Good night, sleep tight, Anna ~ and sweet dreams.

[KatzHome]

NOTE TO ANY REFUGEES THAT MAY BE LURKING

The thread Glenda/Julia Renfro started is BS.  We do not post forum member IP's in the forum nor do we share them via email.  We do not share them via PM because our PM function is turned off.  We do not share them with anyone at any time.  The only time that kind of BS was happening was when Diva and others were mods here.  They are now banned and that problem has gone away.

We do have a site meter which some members look at from time to time.  They do find it interresting when someone from Aruba or the Netherlands is viewing the site.  Note that in the past, either TripAdvisor or VistaAruba forums had the IP visible for all to see on each post.

Nobody is stalking you, get over yourselves.

What a bunch of goof-balls, Klaas...

[Hotshot]

Red, the ones who are here now are the ones who care enough to persevere. It takes time and effort to follow all this. We're hanging in despite all that has been thrown up against us.

I see that 60-day mark approaching and am thinking... maybe...maybe... all this the last few weeks is the calm before Hurricane Kelly strikes.

I hope you're right about Hurricane Kelly, SB....

That hurricane could start a tsunami...

[spooky112483]

Was a video uploaded from Joran's home to that site afterwards?

I'm not sure they were making a snuff video that night...  but I'd chance a guess that Joran and Deepak were turned on by them...  and maybe that's what happened...

I'm wondering if Joran was into that erotic asphyxiation, and that's how Natalee died.  Joran was in that picture of him choking the other kid with the belt.  I could even see Joran as bisexual, getting it on with Guido & Natalee with Freddy taping it.  Joran gets so worked up that he pulls the belt tighter and tighter around Natalee's neck until she expires.  Would particpating in killing by accidental asphyxiation during a sexual tryst be considered heavy battery?

they could always say that it was consentual and therefore an accident so no reason for this massive coverup we've witnessed

[memphis]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

Turning her over to the second group might also explain the trip to the "bangbus" porn site.

It could. I have a feeling that it was simpler than that.  Personally, I think it was Joran/Deepak/Satish/Freddy and a video.  Something bad happened and she died - they scrambled to get rid of her body.  Paulus and ALE step up and help coverup and properly dispose of her body.

I agree with the simple approach. (In the vet world there is a saying, "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." I just have a hard time understanding why all of Aruba and the Netherlands would cover for the boys. Why would they do that? I can't resolve that, so I have to think it all links to something bigger and even more sinister.

[spooky112483]

Spooky - You turned up just as I announced my departure. You should have an email from mrs. red. I want a Honda. Got one?

I sure do and hope that I can help you. I will email you, ok?

[KatzHome]

It seems very odd for someone to browse porn after an evening with a girl unless someone was trying to relive an experience. This part of the story is hard for me to understand.

Do you recall that some of the wife murderers have done that after they killed their wives, the British guy and Scott Peterson.  A friend who is a psychiatrist told me that some men are so perverted that killing someone is a form of erotica.  Now I did not ask him to tell me that, but he talks a lot when he is not at work.  Says he has to take long vacations so he does not become like his clients.

I'm aware that what your friend says is true, Tyler.  And yeah ~ others have done it before Joran...  Joran isn't original in any way...

[spooky112483]

Red, the ones who are here now are the ones who care enough to persevere. It takes time and effort to follow all this. We're hanging in despite all that has been thrown up against us.

I see that 60-day mark approaching and am thinking... maybe...maybe... all this the last few weeks is the calm before Hurricane Kelly strikes.

I hope you're right about Hurricane Kelly, SB....

That hurricane could start a tsunami...

here's praying

[msmarple]

Spooky - You turned up just as I announced my departure. You should have an email from mrs. red. I want a Honda. Got one?

I sure do and hope that I can help you. I will email you, ok?

Okey doke. And I AM out for the night now ...

sheesh ... this board is  s l o w  tonight. Or is it just me?

[sb]

so we know for a fact he visited a porn site that night and we know which one. I dont think he was trying to upload anything at that point. maybe he was trying to get info or CONTACTS as to what to do with what he had. And remember just because this was Jorans computer doesnt mean it was Joran. Who supposedly was spending the night at Jorans? Who would know what website to go to and who to contact? Freddy maybe?

About time spooky got in here to take over the Night Crew! How you been doing?

This is an EXCELLENT point too.

All we can say is that something very weird and strange was happening from about 1:00 on, that night, involving cars and computers and a young lady who didn't deserve to be caught up in all that mess.

There were some kind of wild goings-on happening on that island that night. Someone had to have seen evidence of it, but they aren't telling what they know.

I want to think it's a simple open-and-shut case, but I can't see how. It is just too bizarre for that.

[KatzHome]

Yw Klaas
Hiya Tyler

Night everyone.

Good night, Yapperz ~ it's really good seeing you ~ even though I didn't actually see you until you left...

Now we need a "kooky smiley" to insert...  

[KatzHome]

OK... I have to get out of here and get sleep... I wanted to hang with the night crew for a change...LOL.. but i am a wimpy girl...

NIGHT MONKEYS....

Good night, Mrs. Red  {{{hugs}}}  and sweet dreams!

[Hotshot]

Red, the ones who are here now are the ones who care enough to persevere. It takes time and effort to follow all this. We're hanging in despite all that has been thrown up against us.

I see that 60-day mark approaching and am thinking... maybe...maybe... all this the last few weeks is the calm before Hurricane Kelly strikes.

I hope you're right about Hurricane Kelly, SB....

That hurricane could start a tsunami...

here's praying

     

[memphis]

so we know for a fact he visited a porn site that night and we know which one. I dont think he was trying to upload anything at that point. maybe he was trying to get info or CONTACTS as to what to do with what he had. And remember just because this was Jorans computer doesnt mean it was Joran. Who supposedly was spending the night at Jorans? Who would know what website to go to and who to contact? Freddy maybe?

About time spooky got in here to take over the Night Crew! How you been doing?

This is an EXCELLENT point too.

All we can say is that something very weird and strange was happening from about 1:00 on, that night, involving cars and computers and a young lady who didn't deserve to be caught up in all that mess.

There were some kind of wild goings-on happening on that island that night. Someone had to have seen evidence of it, but they aren't telling what they know.

I want to think it's a simple open-and-shut case, but I can't see how. It is just too bizarre for that.[/quote]

That's what I feel. It's too bizarre.

[KatzHome]

The theory that she may have been turned over to a second group, opens alot of possibilities and helps with the timeline.

That is a possibility.  What if they needed a video for the "group they turned her over to, in order to prove what they had?"

Turning her over to the second group might also explain the trip to the "bangbus" porn site.

It could. I have a feeling that it was simpler than that.  Personally, I think it was Joran/Deepak/Satish/Freddy and a video.  Something bad happened and she died - they scrambled to get rid of her body.  Paulus and ALE step up and help coverup and properly dispose of her body.

I very heavily lean in the direction you're thinking, Klaas...

[Hotshot]

Well I am outta here too.  The pillow is calling my name.  See you all tomorrow.   Wow Katz

[memphis]

nite nite MsMarple.

Thanks for the tip. I'll try later.