Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10 - 4/22/10

[Tamikosmom]

Here are a few of the questions I have, and I apologize if this information has been covered and I've missed it.  Per the doctors, I am now allowed to claim a bit of brain damage if it works to my advantage.       


1.  Did we ever find out if Eduardo Mansur participated in the January 7th evidence recovery dive?  

2.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.msg963275#msg963275  I have a boatload (pun intended) of questions about this, as I don't recall ever having seen this email exchange before.  I'll start with the most obvious... the "friend" Silvetti is asking Caps about... is that Geerman? 

3.  Does anyone know if the family was ever offered the opportunity after this all came out to view the ROV footage of the January 7th evidence recovery dive?  If so, which side of the family?  Dave?  Beth?  I assume Tim Miller has not been given access to it either?

That's enough for now.

Chins up Monkeys!  You ROCK!!  And Today We Are One Day Closer To Justice For Natalee!

 

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #173 on: January 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »

Hotshot just emailed this to me from Jossy.  Hotshot is having problems logging in, I have no idea why as she is not banned. 

Quote
From Jossy:

No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Take care
 
Jossy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611967#msg611967

Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller ... were not alone in their observations regarding the troubled  happening on board the Persistence encompassing Tim Trahan and John Silvetti's actions as related to the trap/cage.  If Jossy Mansur's words in the alleged email regarding his son's constant presence on the ship reflect the truth ... Eduardo Mansur did also.

Think about it.  Jossy Mansur was one with John Silvetti in regards to the pond distraction.  For this reason ... Kyle Kingman's suspicions regarding Eduardo Mansur being the "leak" should not be dismissed in our speculations.

IMO

Janet

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EDUARDO MANSUR - SPY ON BOARD?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

[Tamikosmom]

If I was Dave H, I would call everyone of these people to a meeting and demand answers! Enough already!! Whoever doesn't show up is the enemy! Done!

Kyle K
Tim Miller
John Silvetti
Jossy
Louis Schaefer

Tim Trahan

[klaasend]

I look at that donated home differently.  If I owned a condo in Aruba and didn't want to go back I think donating it to TES so they could auction it would be a good thing.  I way to get rid of property I didn't want, help TES and get a tax write off at the same time.

I respectively disagree klaas... If I owned a condo on Aruba I would have sold it a long time ago... Even for a loss..

I think this is a slap in the face of Beth and Natalee.. It shows greed on the part of TES that they would auction anything to bring in a buck..

I understand what you are saying.  I just don't know what Tim Miller and TES should do?  They aren't only a find Natalee search team they search for everyone.  They need donations and if someone wants to offload a home in Aruba they are no longer using should Tim have said no?  If the money allows him to search for one more missing person wouldn't that be a good thing? 

[carpe noctem]

What's another life or two that could wind up like Natalee Holloway's when you can have a nice tax write off, right?

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I think this is a slap in the face of Beth and Natalee.. It shows greed on the part of TES that they would auction anything to bring in a buck.. -Patriot

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Right! Beth and Natalee have been put through enough. (FOR NO REASON AT ALL, I MIGHT ADD)

Beth will do anything to keep Natalee's justice alive - and for that, I love her to death like sugar cubes.

Because it is what any good momma would do. Any country, any language.

Good mommas are universal.

BUT...

It just really chaps my friggin knickers, like on a very daily basis, that she is put through
the wringer with these little silly Aruba mind games.

Justice for Natalee should have been quick and immediate. It has never been a MYSTERY.

So, for any person, group or corporate entity that still funnels even 1 American dollar in Aruba's GENERAL DIIIIIIRECTION.... please, look at yourself in the mirror today...
or better yet, go watch your kids playing, if you have some... and ask yourself this
question... HOW CAN I LIVE WITH THAT DECISION?

For what they have done - Aruba should have been shut down and blacklisted overnight.

The world KNOWS what they did now. It has been in re-runs for years!

They allowed someone to kill and throw away a human being. Not even a trial.

You're either a part of the problem or the solution. No gray areas here.

Please grow some balls today.

[Tamikosmom]

I look at that donated home differently.  If I owned a condo in Aruba and didn't want to go back I think donating it to TES so they could auction it would be a good thing.  I way to get rid of property I didn't want, help TES and get a tax write off at the same time.

I respectively disagree klaas... If I owned a condo on Aruba I would have sold it a long time ago... Even for a loss..

I think this is a slap in the face of Beth and Natalee.. It shows greed on the part of TES that they would auction anything to bring in a buck..

Patriot

Tim Miller has never supported the volunatry boycott of Aruba while ... Dave and Robin Holloway' positions have changed on the issue.

Janet

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TIM MILLER

Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted January 9, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Tim Miller stated the following comment with regards to the boycott:

“I have not called for a boycott of Aruba. I am not in favor of the boycott. The residents of Aruba are wonderful people, why should they be blamed and held responsible for the actions of a few? I do not feel that it is fair to the residents of Aruba. I do not want them to be a victim in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The three boys may be, but the Aruban people are not.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/09/tim-miller-going-back-to-aruba-to-search-for-natalee-holloway/


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER AND STEPMOTHER - THE TRAVEL BOYCOTT

PRIOR TO THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

1.  09/05 - DENOUNCING THE BOYCOTT

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 156/157:  It is true that we have not been happy with the way the investigation into Natalee's disappearance was going, but we had no gripe with the general population.  ... That is why I felt uncomfortable supporting a boycott.

On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruban Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business and political leaders.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.


2.  11/05 - UPHOLDING THE BOYCOTT WITH RESERVATIONS

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 194/195:  On November 8, 2005, Alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba.  He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made.  The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken.  We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.


3.  12/05 - BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

1.  06/19 - FLIP FLOP

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


2.  06/19 - MARK PURCELL APPLAUDS

MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »

 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted January 9, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

Tim Miller stated the following comment with regards to the boycott:

“I have not called for a boycott of Aruba. I am not in favor of the boycott. The residents of Aruba are wonderful people, why should they be blamed and held responsible for the actions of a few? I do not feel that it is fair to the residents of Aruba. I do not want them to be a victim in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The three boys may be, but the Aruban people are not.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/09/tim-miller-going-back-to-aruba-to-search-for-natalee-holloway/

[carpe noctem]

Anybody who hurts this lady over and over again...

...is due for a good thorough ass whoopin'.


JUST A SAYIN'....

 

[carpe noctem]

 





 

[texasmom]

http://www.ultimateclearlake.com/2010/03/banquet-auction-benefit-texas-equusearch

Banquet, auction to aid mounted search team
March 26, 2010 10:28 am
Greg May wrote:

By FLORI MEEKS
Texas Equusearch gets its share of press coverage, Debbie Drury said.

But she doubts people give much thought to the nonprofit organization’s operations when it’s not in the spotlight, aiding in the search of lost and missing people.

“I don’t think people understand it’s fully funded by donations,” said Drury, who volunteers for the Dickinson-based organization with her husband, board member Jim Drury.

“When the crisis is over, it’s silent. People don’t know the phone bills go on.”

The Drury’s, the owners of the Clear Lake-area Market Doctors advertising firm, are hoping the upcoming fund-raiser they’re hosting for Texas Equusearch will help boost the organization’s operating budget, as well as interest in supporting the mounted search and rescue team.

The first Endless Search Banquet and Charity Auction benefiting Texas Equusearch will begin at 6:30 p.m. Thursday, April 8, at Campbell Hall at the Pasadena Fairgrounds, 7902 Fairmont Parkway.

Tickets are $75 per person, and sponsorships are available for $500 to $5,000. Dress that evening will be business casual.

Celebrity guests will include Beth Holloway, the mother of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.

Texas Equusearch searched extensively for Natalee, but she remains missing.

Also expected at the banquet are Don Clark, former FBI special agent in charge of the Houston division, and author Judith McNaught. Lisa Baldwin of KPRC-TV Channel 2 will serve as the master of ceremonies.

Judge Louie Ditta, Harris County Justice of the Peace, Precinct Eight, will be the event’s auctioneer. Auction items range include a donated five-bedroom home in Aruba; a penthouse near Cancun, Mexico; a Costa Rica trip; an exotic hunting venture; and assorted event tickets.

Also planned for the fund-raiser is live music by Kelly McGuire.

Texas Equusearch was established in 2000 to provide volunteer horse mounted search and recovery for lost and missing people. The team is dedicated to the memory of Laura Miller, the daughter of founding director Tim Miller. She was abducted and murder in north Galveston County in 1984.

Drury said supporting Tim Miller’s efforts is the least the community can do. “Everyday he’s out doing something for someone,” she said.

For more information about the fund-raiser, sponsorships or the donation of auction items, call 281-309-9500.

Texas Equusearch needs volunteers to help with searches. Those with experience in rescue skills such as CPR, advanced lifesaving and field craft can also assist in search projects.

Volunteers must be at least 18 years old and have no felony convictions. Team members will volunteer in searches to help find missing persons, attend search and rescue training seminars, attend general meetings and attend trail rides, cook-offs, parades and other community events.

 I get confused.    Why would they want to send anybody to Aruba???

I am a staunch Texas Equusearch supporter.... but screw that.

Even if they are just trying to get rid of it as a joke.

Bad joke!

I agree!  It is in bad taste.  It shows no respect for Natalee or Beth and with Beth listed as a speaker,
it is just plain ridiculous.  What on earth is going on? 
I would wager that when Beth agreed to speak she didn't know the prize list.

It doesn't make sense at all to me either.  I'd really like to know who made that donation.  Seems to me the sensible thing would have been to sell it themselves and donate the proceeds.  Auctioning it at the fundraiser will amount to advertising for Aruba and that's just PLAIN WRONG!

 

[Edward]

Well, Who donated the 5 bedroom house ?

was it Anita ? 

Maybe Beth owned it.. Or how about that one student that stayed in Aruba after Natalee went missing ? Sorry I forget her name now.

How about a Reynolds family member ? a long lost cousin ?

Just asking WHO ?

[texasmom]

What's another life or two that could wind up like Natalee Holloway's when you can have a nice tax write off, right?

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I think this is a slap in the face of Beth and Natalee.. It shows greed on the part of TES that they would auction anything to bring in a buck.. -Patriot

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Right! Beth and Natalee have been put through enough. (FOR NO REASON AT ALL, I MIGHT ADD)

Beth will do anything to keep Natalee's justice alive - and for that, I love her to death like sugar cubes.

Because it is what any good momma would do. Any country, any language.

Good mommas are universal.

BUT...

It just really chaps my friggin knickers, like on a very daily basis, that she is put through
the wringer with these little silly Aruba mind games.

Justice for Natalee should have been quick and immediate. It has never been a MYSTERY.

So, for any person, group or corporate entity that still funnels even 1 American dollar in Aruba's GENERAL DIIIIIIRECTION.... please, look at yourself in the mirror today...
or better yet, go watch your kids playing, if you have some... and ask yourself this
question... HOW CAN I LIVE WITH THAT DECISION?

For what they have done - Aruba should have been shut down and blacklisted overnight.

The world KNOWS what they did now. It has been in re-runs for years!

They allowed someone to kill and throw away a human being. Not even a trial.

You're either a part of the problem or the solution. No gray areas here.

Please grow some balls today.

 

[texasmom]

Well, Who donated the 5 bedroom house ?

was it Anita ? 

Maybe Beth owned it.. Or how about that one student that stayed in Aruba after Natalee went missing ? Sorry I forget her name now.

How about a Reynolds family member ? a long lost cousin ?

Just asking WHO ?

None of your suggestions seem likely at all imo. 

[Edward]

exotic hunting venture ?

Is that like ..To shoot a sloot ? ??   

[Tamikosmom]

Well, Who donated the 5 bedroom house ?

was it Anita ? 

Maybe Beth owned it.. Or how about that one student that stayed in Aruba after Natalee went missing ? Sorry I forget her name now.

How about a Reynolds family member ? a long lost cousin ?

Just asking WHO ?

 

Maybe it was Mark Purcell?

What and who is behind the donation of an Aruban home to TES?  Something is not right.

Janet

[texasmom]

HT CBB

[Tamikosmom]

Why do I feel like everyone involved has there head up their a**!

A trip to Aruba? They can't be serious...

The 5 bedroom house and trip is probably donated by John Silvetti! 

Wreck ... I would not be surprise.  It would appear that Tim Miller and John Silvetti have had an ongoing professional relationship since the persistence undertaking.  John Silvetti and Company has been very very very good to TES in regards to the donation of manpower and equipment for searches.

I am so disappointed that Tim Miller has remained silent.  I somehow believe this man would be going up one side of John Silvetti and down the other if there was a possibility that the remains of his precious daughter had been in that cage/trap.

 

Janet

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THE TEXAS EQUUSEARCH - JOHN SILVETTI CONNECTION


DECEMBER 9, 2008

Tim Miller and John Silvetti from the Silvetti Group out of Louisiana, will be in Yankeetown, Florida to search for the two men missing since their plane lost radar contact with officials. Darien Peckham and Zachary Schlitt were headed to Vandenberg Airport, Tampa, Florida and never reached their destination. We will post more details regarding this search at a later date

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4227.msg573186;topicseen#msg573186


DECEMBER 18, 2008

Texas EquuSearch was successful in locating the A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld. Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this young man. TES would like to thank John Silvetti and the Silvetti group from Louisiana and Dennis and Tammy Watters and also the Texas Parks and Wildlife personnel for their roles in helping Texas EquuSearch locate A&M Student, Chase Bergfeld.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/01/bergfeld-chase-richland-chambers-reservoir-tx-missing-121308/


FEBRUARY 22, 2009

Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 - As of 10:15 pm, Texas EquuSearch has been joined in the search for Dr. Zella by the Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Company, both out of Louisiana. We will continue searching tonight, as long as possible.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/02/search-for-missing-kayaker-in-seabrook-tx-tes-needs-searchers/


FEBRUARY 24, 2009

On Monday, five different groups were using sonar equipment to scan the bottom of Clear Lake — League City, Nassau Bay, the Montgomery County Constable’s office and The Silvetti Group and Legacy Offshore Divers & Construction Co., both of Louisiana, Black said. Equusearch said the sonar teams and divers will work through most of Monday night.

“The winds have not let up on us to allow us to do anything much until now,” Black said Monday afternoon.

The search will continue on Tuesday beginning at 8 a.m. Volunteers are needed and encouraged to visit the command center located at the Clear Lake Park boat ramp on NASA Parkway in Seabrook.

At about 10:15 p.m. Sunday, the search team was joined by The Silvetti Group and Legacy arrived with divers, who began searching shortly thereafter and continued diving until about 5 a.m. Monday.

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/02/24/bay_area_citizen/news/2kayak26.txt


MARCH, 2009

What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


OCTOBER 12, 2009

We would like to thank all of our volunteers who came out and participated in the evidence search last week. Additionally, we want to thank our Florida members who made the trip for the search and additional training. It was a pleasure to have all of them in Texas.

We would like to extend special thanks to Love’s Marina in Crosby, Texas for providing our team a place to set up our command center for the week.

Special thanks go to the following companies for donating their resources and employees for the search:

RP Flight Systems

The Silvetti Group of Companies

Moffitt Customized Fueling

Hal Newsom’s Airboat Tours

Team Watters

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/evidence-search/

[carpe noctem]

TIM MILLER

Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted January 9, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


“I do not want them to be a victim in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The three boys may be, but the Aruban people are not.”

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Joran, Deepak and Satish were not victims of anything except maybe crappy parenting.

Victims don`t sit around emailing each other plotting had to snatch and rape somebody and then dump them on a beach.

ALE has the evidence.

[Tamikosmom]

Two weeks prior to the Persistence leaving Aruban waters ... the ship's sonar/ROV operator/analyst was soliciting funds to be designated to TES to further the Natalee Holloway search.  Both Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman knew the truth regarding the events encompassing the contents of the cage/trap and ... the recovery process.

Janet

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THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
 
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html

[Magnolia]

TIM MILLER

Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted January 9, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


“I do not want them to be a victim in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The three boys may be, but the Aruban people are not.”

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Joran, Deepak and Satish were not victims of anything except maybe crappy parenting.

Victims don`t sit around emailing each other plotting had to snatch and rape somebody and then dump them on a beach.

ALE has the evidence.

I think Tim Miller has a good heart but sometimes makes a poor choice of words.

I don't think he meant to imply that J2K were victims of anything other than their own
evil doings.

[carpe noctem]

TIM MILLER

Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted January 9, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


“I do not want them to be a victim in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The three boys may be, but the Aruban people are not.”

---

Joran, Deepak and Satish were not victims of anything except maybe crappy parenting.

Victims don`t sit around emailing each other plotting how to snatch and rape somebody and then dump them on a beach.

ALE has the evidence.

I think Tim Miller has a good heart but sometimes makes a poor choice of words.

I don't think he meant to imply that J2K were victims of anything other than their own
evil doings.

Oh, I would agree with you, Mags... 100%. I respect Tim.


It just fries me to see it in writing, and I just couldn`t help myself.

Thinking of Frankenstein bangs and the two limp wristed under-developed girls from Suriname as victims just makes me jump on top of my couch and go 

[Magnolia]

TIM MILLER

Tim Miller Going Back To Aruba to Search for Natalee Holloway
Posted January 9, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


“I do not want them to be a victim in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The three boys may be, but the Aruban people are not.”

---

Joran, Deepak and Satish were not victims of anything except maybe crappy parenting.

Victims don`t sit around emailing each other plotting how to snatch and rape somebody and then dump them on a beach.

ALE has the evidence.

I think Tim Miller has a good heart but sometimes makes a poor choice of words.

I don't think he meant to imply that J2K were victims of anything other than their own
evil doings.

Oh, I would agree with you, Mags... 100%. I respect Tim.


It just fries me to see it in writing, and I just couldn`t help myself.

Thinking of Frankenstein bangs and the two limp wristed under-developed girls from Suriname as victims just makes me jump on top of my couch and go 

That is what happens when some people take statements totally out of the context they were intended.

I know in my heart that Tim Miller would never portray J2K other than the murdering cowards that they are,
but it infurates me to see a statement like that put out there as though Tim is defending them.