Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10 - 4/22/10

[Patriot]

I'm with Wreck on this one.. I see rocks too.

Also, no way they toss a body next to the biggest tourist snorkling attraction on the island.. Everybody who goes to Aruba snorkles (not sure if snorkles is a word) that area. I know I did the first time I went to Aruba..

I do think it's a good thing that this is everywhere in the news.

Justice for Natalee

[Tamikosmom]

FWIW, this one looks more like intact remains than the ones in the trap, in my opinion.  There appears to actually be more than fragments.

I hope Beth knows about this. 

Can anyone confirm that she does, Klaas or Kermit?  How about Peter R de Vries?  I wonder what he will have to say about it.  He is someone who could put pressure on ALE.  He could go or send somebody there to camp out to be on hand when the search (yeah, haha!  I'm being optimistic) is conducted.

I sent it to  her and Art Woods

Blonde

Did you receive any responses?

Thanks

Janet

[Patriot]

I forgot to spell check...
snorkels

Back to the rafters for me...

[Northern Rose]

Gezichten zien... omdat het moet
Journalisten in de VS en Nederland kunnen blijven speculeren wat ze willen: het lichaam van Natalee Holloway is al lang gevonden!



Althans volgens een Amerikaans echtpaar dat het lichaam gefotografeerd denkt te hebben. Het echtpaar nam de foto tijdens het snorkelen voor de kust van Aruba. Op dat moment waren ze zich zelf nergens van bewust. Pas toen ze hun vakantierolletje hadden ontwikkeld, zagen ze het.

Zagen ze hèt? Die paar donkere vlekken? Nee, Natalee Holloway, wist John Muldowney intuïtief. Hij liet de foto aan zijn huisarts zien en die wist nog te melden dat het skelet waarschijnlijk was verzwaard met enkele stenen.

Lachwekkend? Wie kritisch naar de foto kijkt, kan moeilijk de gedachte onderdrukken dat het om niet veel meer gaat dan enkele vlekken. Hoezo een lichaam? Nou ja, het kan natuurlijk waar zijn... Maar de kans is groter dat het echtpaar last had van een van onze neigingen uit de oertijd: Pareidolie.

Niet te onderdrukken
Ofwel: de niet te onderdrukken neiging om overal herkenbare dingen in te zien. Gezichten in wolken (eventueel van de duivel op 9/11), geesten op foto's of dus Natalee Holloway onder water.

Pareidolie dus. Die neiging van de hersenen was waarschijnlijk vroeger van belang om te overleven. Het snel herkennen van bijvoorbeeld een leeuw was voor de prehistorische mensen van levensbelang, zelfs zo belangrijk dat onze hersenen erin doorschoten. Een leeuw zien waar die niet is, was hoogstens slecht voor je hart. Een leeuw niet zien waar die wel is daarentegen...

Hoever ben jij heen?
Maar nu: zijn we soms knettergek? Moest jij gniffelen om dat domme Amerikaanse echtpaar? Kijk dan eens hoever jouw hersenen zijn doorgeschoten...

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/03_maart/19/verrijkingsonderdelen/gezichten_zien_omdat_het_moet.xml

Visions ... because it must
Journalists in the U.S. and the Netherlands can continue speculating what they want: the body of Natalee Holloway has long been found!

At least according to an American couple who intends to have photographed the body. The couple took the picture while snorkeling off the coast of Aruba. At that time they were themselves aware of anything. Only when they roll their holiday had developed, they saw it.

They saw it? The few dark spots? No, Natalee Holloway, John Muldowney knew intuitively. He showed the photo to see his doctor and did not have to report that the skeleton was probably weighted with some stones.

Laughable? Who looks critically at the picture, can hardly suppress the thought that not much more than a few spots. Why a body? Well, it just would be true ... But the more likely the couple was suffering from one of our tendencies from prehistoric times: Pareidolia.

Irrepressible
Either: the irrepressible tendency across recognizable things to see. Faces in clouds (possibly by the devil on 9 / 11), ghosts in photos or so Natalee Holloway under water.

Pareidolia so. That tendency of the brains was probably once important for survival. The fast recognition of such a lion for the prehistoric people was vital, so important that our brains shot through it. Locate a lion is not, most were bad for your heart. A lion does not see those where it is though ...

How far are you going?
But now we are crazy sometimes? Did you chuckle at the stupid American couple? Check out how far your brains are shot ...

[texasmom]

I'm with Wreck on this one.. I see rocks too.

Also, no way they toss a body next to the biggest tourist snorkling attraction on the island.. Everybody who goes to Aruba snorkels (not sure if snorkles is a word) that area. I know I did the first time I went to Aruba..

I do think it's a good thing that this is everywhere in the news.

Justice for Natalee

I agree, unless of course they've relocated remains with the intention of them being found by a tourist to cover up the original recovery.  Just think about it, if the right thing had been done two years ago...Natalee's family would have had closure.  Instead, two more years of suffering, wasted money on wild goose chase searches, and all the while Joran tortures them with "I sold her"...no scratch that I need some more money..."she fell head first off a balcony and I threw her in a swamp".  It's just infuriating to me!

 

jmo

[klaasend]

St Patricks Day - Buster's Garage - Mark JR

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70152.php

Google translation:

Justice knew nothing of pictures skeleton Holloway '

March 19, 2010, 14:24 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) knew nothing of an underwater photograph of an American couple, according to human remains to be seen, which may be of Natalee Holloway. She took the photograph last October, during a diving vacation in Aruba. The couple has sent the photo to the FBI. When she heard nothing, got the Americans John and Patti Muldowney to the media.

Angela Ann spokesman said the news of the OM as a surprise. Justice has directly contacted the FBI, but has not yet received formal confirmation that the U.S. investigating authority the picture indeed. A call from the U.S. Amigoe Research Service this morning yielded nothing. The police and the FBI have declared against U.S. media did not know of the existence of the picture. The Aruban OM, the photographer get in her possession. "We stress that the information is taken very seriously. We take every tip seriously. If these people can give good information and may indicate the location, then we dive. The deal is that we get things up and to the Dutch Forensic Institute in The Hague sent for examination, "says Angela. Justice is now first to see if the photo is indeed cause for a search. The image is in fact very vague.

The American couple Muldowney said the photo made near the spot where Natalee was last seen would be. That is on the southwest coast of Aruba. At first, they assumed they were pictures of coral. Only after the development saw the couple something that looks suspiciously like human remains. She showed the photo to friends, the local police and also to their GP. That all said, it looks at a body, said John Muldowney. He then entered the picture sent to the FBI in Philadelphia and says be sure that it is received. When one months after they had received no response, the couple went to the media. They want so try to get in contact with Aruban authorities.

Divers have been the disappearance of missing teenager in 2005 several times examined the seabed. The American company EquuSearch came to Aruba several times with a special boat and equipment to the ocean floor off tracking. Prime suspect Joran van der Sloot, who is currently in Aruba, said recently that he was indeed in the Natalee Bubali-lake has dumped after she fell from the balcony. This "confession" he did to the Dutch television producer Terror Jaap. Dutch media reported today that Jaap is lit by Joran. He would Joran have borrowed money for a coffee shop.

[carpe noctem]

Justice knew nothing of pictures skeleton Holloway '
March 19, 2010, 14:24


ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) knew nothing of an underwater photograph of an American couple, according to human remains to be seen, which may be of Natalee Holloway. She took the photograph last October, during a diving vacation in Aruba. The couple has sent the photo to the FBI. When she heard nothing, got the Americans John and Patti Muldowney to the media.

Angela Ann spokesman said the news of the OM as a surprise. Justice has directly contacted the FBI, but has not yet received formal confirmation that the U.S. investigating authority the picture indeed. A call from the U.S. Amigoe Research Service this morning yielded nothing. The police and the FBI have declared against U.S. media did not know of the existence of the picture. The Aruban OM, the photographer get in her possession. "We stress that the information is taken very seriously. We take every tip seriously. If these people can give good information and may indicate the location, then we dive. The deal is that we get things up and to the Dutch Forensic Institute in The Hague sent for examination, "says Angela. Justice is now first to see if the photo is indeed cause for a search. The image is in fact very vague.

The American couple Muldowney said the photo made near the spot where Natalee was last seen would be. That is on the southwest coast of Aruba. At first, they assumed they were pictures of coral. Only after the development saw the couple something that looks suspiciously like human remains. She showed the photo to friends, the local police and also to their GP. That all said, it looks at a body, said John Muldowney. He sent the picture then registered to the FBI in Philadelphia and says be sure that it is received. When one months after they had received no response, the couple went to the media. They want so try to get in contact with Aruban authorities.

Divers have been the disappearance of missing teenager in 2005 several times examined the seabed. The American company EquuSearch came to Aruba several times with a special boat and equipment to the ocean floor off tracking. Prime suspect Joran van der Sloot, who is currently in Aruba, said recently that he was indeed in the Natalee Bubali-lake has dumped after she fell from the balcony. This "confession" he did to the Dutch television producer Terror Jaap. Dutch media reported today that Jaap is lit by Joran. He would Joran have borrowed money for a coffee shop.

[Northern Rose]

Terror Jaap lit by Joran HILVERSUM - Terror Jaap is lit by Joran van der Sloot. Jaap Joran borrowed money, but probably never see his cents back.



 Joran van der Sloot and Terror Jaap. The former winner of the Golden Cage, Terror Jaap, made contact with Van der Sloot and repeatedly paid sums on Joran ...
 Jaap and Joran made last year a new program about Joran's statement on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. De Gouden Kooi-winner contacted Joran and paid him to work on his program.

Jaap Joran at that time lent an unknown sum, but it could probably to whistle. RTL Boulevard laid his hand on a movie of a telephone conversation between the two men.

"I promise you that I never have to steal. I just wanted enough money for my coffee," Joran said in that interview.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/6328873/__Terror_Jaap_opgelicht_door_Joran__.html?sn=prive

Terror Jaap opgelicht door Joran HILVERSUM -  Terror Jaap is opgelicht door Joran van der Sloot. Jaap leende Joran geld, maar ziet zijn centen waarschijnlijk nooit meer terug.



 Joran van der Sloot en Terror Jaap. De voormalige winnaar van de Gouden Kooi, Terror Jaap, legde het contact met Van der Sloot en betaalde meermalen sommen geld aan Joran...
 Jaap en Joran maakten vorig jaar een programma rond Joran's nieuwe verklaring over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. De Gouden Kooi-winnaar nam contact op met Joran en betaalde hem om mee te werken aan zijn programma.

Jaap leende Joran in die tijd een onbekend geldbedrag, maar kan daar hoogstwaarschijnlijk naar fluiten. RTL Boulevard legde de hand op een filmpje van een telefoongesprek tussen de twee mannen.

"Ik beloof dat ik nooit van je heb willen stelen. Ik wilde alleen genoeg geld hebben voor mijn coffeeshop", zegt Joran in dat gesprek

[ohcanada]

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    Re: Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10
« Reply #354 on: March 18, 2010, 08:03:20 PM » 

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Ohcanada and Basti were two of the worst posters ever and could barely contain their contempt for a little girl that just went on a little vacation with her friends.

try suckin' a little better next time - idiots.

to think that you need to pack a 12 gauge to go to Rooba says it all. Stay the f00k away or you will have the dregs who were rejected by internet porn beating their keyboards like it's spankin' time!
 
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That's a good one Rob.....but ya know what

I'm thinking you should switch dealers ...as whttever your current one
is giving you ...is making yous paranoid as h.e double hockey sticks
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
let the truth shine thru

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[Northern Rose]

Natalee Holloway really found?

While professional women and layabout fresh topper Joran van der Sloot doortkomt his days with blowing and poker Natalee Holloway is still not found. or do they? The American tourist John and Patti Muldowney are sure that they travel from the Aruban seabed made the final resting place of Natalee Holloway is. The photo Muldowney and his wife during their holiday in October last year, shows a piece of ocean floor just off the Caribbean island. Convinced that the picture actually shows the remains of Natalee, they handed the photo to the FBI. Our man on the spot did not need his snorkel gear from the attic to retrieve, for he whispered to us that there is more reminiscent of refugees to the coast.

http://www.vkmag.com/magazine/natalee_holloway_nu_echt_gevonden/

Natalee Holloway nu echt gevonden?

Terwijl professionele nietsnut en vrouwenverstopper Joran van der Sloot zijn dagen doortkomt met blowen en pokeren is Natalee Holloway nog steeds niet gevonden. of toch wel? De Amerikaanse toeristen John en Patti Muldowney zijn er zeker van dat een vakantiefoto die zij van de Arubaanse zeebodem maakte de laatste rustplaats van Natalee Holloway is. De foto die Muldowney en zijn vrouw tijdens hun vakantie in oktober vorig jaar maakten, toont een stuk oceaanbodem net voor de kust van het Carribische eiland. Overtuigd dat de foto daadwerkelijk de resten van Natalee laat zien, overhandigden zij de foto aan de FBI. Onze man ter plaatse vond het niet nodig om zijn snorkelspullen van zolder te halen, want hij fluisterde ons in dat er wel meer lijken van vluchtelingen voor de kust liggen.

[jen3560]

Several divers, and several trips by TES with their special boat.

Uh-huh.

WHO DOVE????   AND WHEN DID THEY DO IT?????

We all know the FBI wasn't allowed into the water back in 2005.  I remember one instance of Aruban divers from the rocky/cliff portion of Aruba's shoreline - and THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!

I'm so sick of this hell hole rock claiming BS that never happened, all in an effort to make themselves look better.

Sick of it I say - SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

And one more thing before I stop yelling.

This message is for the Muldowny's - DO NOT, under any circumstances, give the location to ANYONE on Aruba.  That would be the biggest mistake you could make.  Just ask Natalee's family - been there, done that.  STAY THE COURSE WITH THE FBI.

Whether that is Natalee, some other person, or no person at all - we will NEVER get the truth from Aruba.  Never.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70152.php

Google translation:

Justice knew nothing of pictures skeleton Holloway '

March 19, 2010, 14:24 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) knew nothing of an underwater photograph of an American couple, according to human remains to be seen, which may be of Natalee Holloway. She took the photograph last October, during a diving vacation in Aruba. The couple has sent the photo to the FBI. When she heard nothing, got the Americans John and Patti Muldowney to the media.

Angela Ann spokesman said the news of the OM as a surprise. Justice has directly contacted the FBI, but has not yet received formal confirmation that the U.S. investigating authority the picture indeed. A call from the U.S. Amigoe Research Service this morning yielded nothing. The police and the FBI have declared against U.S. media did not know of the existence of the picture. The Aruban OM, the photographer get in her possession. "We stress that the information is taken very seriously. We take every tip seriously. If these people can give good information and may indicate the location, then we dive. The deal is that we get things up and to the Dutch Forensic Institute in The Hague sent for examination, "says Angela. Justice is now first to see if the photo is indeed cause for a search. The image is in fact very vague.

The American couple Muldowney said the photo made near the spot where Natalee was last seen would be. That is on the southwest coast of Aruba. At first, they assumed they were pictures of coral. Only after the development saw the couple something that looks suspiciously like human remains. She showed the photo to friends, the local police and also to their GP. That all said, it looks at a body, said John Muldowney. He then entered the picture sent to the FBI in Philadelphia and says be sure that it is received. When one months after they had received no response, the couple went to the media. They want so try to get in contact with Aruban authorities.

Divers have been the disappearance of missing teenager in 2005 several times examined the seabed. The American company EquuSearch came to Aruba several times with a special boat and equipment to the ocean floor off tracking. Prime suspect Joran van der Sloot, who is currently in Aruba, said recently that he was indeed in the Natalee Bubali-lake has dumped after she fell from the balcony. This "confession" he did to the Dutch television producer Terror Jaap. Dutch media reported today that Jaap is lit by Joran. He would Joran have borrowed money for a coffee shop.

[carpe noctem]

I never forget about the Mansur family.


They own roughly 60% of Aruba.

If they truly wanted Joran gone. He would be dead overnight.

It is what they do.

I guess we can rule out them as being too quick to jump to KNEE-JERK reactions, huh?

2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011?

Can ya swing it, man? You running a little short? You missing a specialist?

[jen3560]

Apologies to all for my yelling. 

[klaasend]

Ohcanada is banned. I haven't decided about IceHawk yet.  I do have a problem with anyone that is posting along side Medleyrelay and or MIP6 and or Reality.

[jen3560]

Ohcanada is banned. I haven't decided about IceHawk yet.  I do have a problem with anyone that is posting along side Medleyrelay and or MIP6 and or Reality.

Thank you klaas. 

[Northern Rose]

Aruban police investigate picture 'corpse' Holloway

ORANGE CITY - A plane with dark blue spots. The American tourist John and Patti Muldowney are sure that the holiday snapshot of the Aruban seabed names the final resting place of Natalee Holloway shows.

 
The American Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005. PHOTO APDe photo Muldowney and his wife during their holiday in October last year, shows a piece of ocean floor just off the Caribbean island. Convinced that the picture actually shows the remains of Natalee, they handed the photo to the FBI.

The Aruban police subject to the inclusion, of which until recently did not know existed, currently an investigation. "We see everything,''said Deputy Police Chief Richardson. ,, Although the probability is very small that this leads to new results.''

Search results without
According to Richardson, the detective on the island is still actively involved in the case. ,, No stone will remain here on the other.''Earlier divers conducted an extensive search of the seabed out. But no result.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 after a vacation in Aruba. The main suspect in the disappearance case, the Dutch Joran van der Sloot. He confessed against crime journalist Peter R. de Vries his involvement in her death and disappearance on. Later he did his effusions off nonsense.

Recently, he compared the statements about Holloway Aruban police again. These are not consistent with his previous statements and have not had a new twist in the case led. The police believed him absolutely not. Peter R. de Vries Van der Sloot described this by saying:,, Joran is an unstable fantasist.''(DVDH)

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/470962/2010/03/18/Arubaanse-politie-onderzoekt-foto-van-lijk-Holloway.dhtml

ORANJESTAD - Een lichtblauw vlak met donkere vlekken. De Amerikaanse toeristen John en Patti Muldowney zijn er zeker van dat het vakantiekiekje dat zij van de Arubaanse zeebodem namen de laatste rustplaats van Natalee Holloway toont.

De foto die Muldowney en zijn vrouw tijdens hun vakantie in oktober vorig jaar maakten, toont een stuk oceaanbodem net voor de kust van het Carribische eiland. Overtuigd dat de foto daadwerkelijk de resten van Natalee laat zien, overhandigden zij de foto aan de FBI.

De Arubaanse politie onderwerpt de opname, waarvan men tot voor kort het bestaan niet kende, momenteel aan een onderzoek. ,,Wij bekijken alles,'' zegt plaatsvervangend politiechef Richardson. ,,Alhoewel de kans erg klein is dat dit tot nieuwe resultaten leidt.''

Zoekactie zonder resultaat
Volgens Richardson is de recherche op het eiland nog steeds actief bezig met de zaak. ,,Geen steen blijft hier op de andere.'' Al eerder voerden duikers een uitgebreide zoekactie van de zeebodem uit. Echter zonder resultaat.

Natalee Holloway verdween in 2005 na een vakantie op Aruba. De hoofdverdachte in de verdwijningszaak is de Nederlandse Joran van der Sloot. Hij biechtte tegenover misdaadjournalist Peter R. de Vries zijn betrokkenheid bij haar dood en verdwijnen op. Later deed hij zijn ontboezemingen af kletspraat.

Onlangs deed hij tegenover de Arubaanse politie opnieuw uitspraken over Holloway. Deze stroken niet met zijn eerdere verklaringen en hebben dan ook niet tot een nieuwe wending in de zaak geleid. De politie geloofde hem ronduit niet. Peter R. de Vries omschreef Van der Sloot hierop met de woorden: ,,Joran is een labiele fantast.'' (DVDH)

[carpe noctem]

Apologies to all for my yelling. 

I still love ya!


Venting is good sometimes.

[jen3560]

Apologies to all for my yelling. 

I still love ya!


Venting is good sometimes.

LOL thanks Carpe.  I do feel better now. 

[Anna]

Ohcanada is banned. I haven't decided about IceHawk yet.  I do have a problem with anyone that is posting along side Medleyrelay and or MIP6 and or Reality.

Well, we sure all got banned at BFN and odd that he didn't.  I didn't do anything to cause being banned there and actually thought some of thos people were my friends, they even have some of my dogs!

Guess you live and learn but it's just as well as I would never post at a place that allows some of those liars posting there anyway.  I doubt there is much going on these days as there will not be enough people left but I do miss Granny Toad.  She had about stopped posting anyway.