Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10 - 4/22/10

[texasmom]

http://www.diario.aw/2010/03/respuesta-a-la-carta-abierta-del-politico-fracasado-armando-r-lampe/

Google Spanish translation:

Response to open letter failed politician Armando R. Lampe

Publication: Diasabra, 20 Maart 2010. Category: Politics

The Commission on Freedom of the Press and Expression of SIP ...

In Aruba there are various ways, as in the United States and other countries on the continent, leading domestic policy according to their assessments of what democracy is and the dangers that lurk. As Director of the Journal of Aruba, I have been a faithful lifelong opponent of communism and those who flirt with that philosophy, because it carries with it the intention of using democratic principles, then remove to gain power. Cases like that of Cuba and Venezuela are living examples of this masquerade using adherents to wrap up with freedom of expression and then justify their outrages against it.

The JOURNAL of Aruba has not denied accepting the statements of the ex-priest become the most deceitful politician of our time, and who certainly gave the people of Aruba back strongly in the 2009 elections.

The record is in the pages of our newspaper and seen by all. Unable to accept that a chronic liar and Mr. Armando R. Lampe come to teach at what is the legitimate freedom of press and expression, that we respect and have defended to the hilt. But if he thinks he has the right to censor our conduct of self-defense of our state of law, we are greatly mistaken!

It is documented on video and in the local press's direct involvement in Mr. Lampe manifetación violent anti-government, including its direct incitement forcing demonstrators to burn a vehicle on public roads, and the destruction of certain properties legitimately elected Government.

Moreover, their blatant lies have been checked and set out in our paper every time it has happened. Require the Commission on Freedom of Expression to serve a sentence required by a politician who seems to believe in the communist dictatorship, it seems more than improbable, an insult to its own definition of "freedom" and "expression" as in the Journal of Aruba we accept them and defend.

When the previous government exulted in the community to reject our paper, and publicly called for a boycott against us all, threatening to companies that favor us with their ads, Mr. Lampe was dumb and complacent before the attack to silence the voice more decisive in defending human rights of our island. That attitude has made us look at the hypocrite's largest island.

When the late dictator of Grenada visited our island, and sent his ambassador to the JOURNAL of Aruba to post a communistic propaganda, I returned the money with the following message: "tell Mr. Maurice Bishop when have a free press in their country, will be happy to publish what he wants for free. "The ambassador left my office with his head down!

As director of the largest and most influential newspaper in Aruba, I assure you that the internal politics of our morning will remain that of a rigorous defense of freedom of speech and press, and an absolute rejection of attempts to implement any communist dictatorship in our island.

Jossy M. Mansur

[carpe noctem]

Would be nice if she had an education and / or job but that is not a make or break for me.


You better re-think that swizzle nuts... she will have to have a job... it`s the only way you will eat.

You don`t produce anything. You`re a parasite, remember?

[texasmom]

http://www.diario.aw/2010/03/bon-acogida-y-palabranan-di-elogio-pa-sr-jossy-mansur/

good acogida y words of elogio for sr. jossy mansur

publication: saturday, 20 march 2010. categoria: general

for of representantenan of s.i.p:

oranjestad (aan) — the charla cu sir jossy mansur, director of daily paper, owing to give yesterday nightfall fast one are of miembronan of society interamericano of prensa (s.i.p) was extremely interesting. the miembronan of s.i.p sit in the sitting-room owing to haci much question relaciona cu we language papiamento, tanto representantenan of brazil, because; of nicaragua y of argentina. the agent of la nacion of argentina owing to felicita sir mansur for his excelente dominio of language spanish, for his tremendo presentacion, y for his trabao investigativo encuanto the raiznan of we language papiamento. past owing to ask sr. mansur for aggrandize his informacion tocante the two teorianan cu past owing to menciona cu have on the origen of papiamento, y sr. mansur owing to extende more in dje, captando still more interest for of the presentenan. esnan procedente of brazil, owing to haci enfasis on the similitud of papiamento cu the language portuguese, y also past owing to worde ask about if we language have algo of haber cu the creole as saca for of english or of french, y past owing to splica categoricamente cu esey do not the caso. also past owing to being ask about tocante the language talk at cabo berde, cu have several word much similar at we papiamento, at locual sr. mansur owing to tell cu if the have his parecido cu we language. on the splicacion of sr. mansur cu papiamento is the of two language oficial of aruba, questions owing to come acerca, of con do not papiamento but dutch the language of instruccion in enseñanza, for locual sr. mansur was have the contesta good splica also, the.o, cu the netherlands is the country of pit for we hobennan bay follow estudionan superior. so owing to worde ask about what language is esun oficial of we gobierno, comercio, etc. for all question sir mansur was have his contesta corecto y the publico owing to leave very contento y interesa for of the sitting-room.

[carpe noctem]

See Kirk.

See Kirk cut paper.

See Kirk make a pretty little hat!


Tie: by Gary Coleman

[klaasend]

Jossy is looking pretty good.  I suspect he's dying his hair 

[spooky112483]

Hey everybody. I have a question. After learning that the Miami FBI office claims they never got the photo I was thinking...
Can we get a list together (we probably already have one) of th players from the night Natalee vanished. I'm not talking about Joran and the Kalpoes. I'm talking about people that were in positions of power. From top to bottom anybody that directly or indirectly had there hands on this case. And I want to compare that to today. I'm just wondering what same people are there and what new people are there.I would think that after all this time many of the original players would be gone and new blood would have taken over (could be wrong about that). And with new blood it would seem less likely that a cover up could continue. I can imagine someone being like "well I wasn't even here when that happened, why would I risk my career over something that happened 5 years ago?!" Ya'll see what I'm saying? I thought if we could examine the new blood we might find a chink in the cover up armor?
I'll be back at my regularly scheduled late night hour. Wow St. Mary's just beat Villanova! That sound you hear is brackets busting! lol
 

[blah]

Shoulndt he have his hand in his pocket?

 

  I thought the same thing 

 

 

[Tamikosmom]

Hey everybody. I have a question. After learning that the Miami FBI office claims they never got the photo I was thinking...
Can we get a list together (we probably already have one) of th players from the night Natalee vanished. I'm not talking about Joran and the Kalpoes. I'm talking about people that were in positions of power. From top to bottom anybody that directly or indirectly had there hands on this case. And I want to compare that to today. I'm just wondering what same people are there and what new people are there.I would think that after all this time many of the original players would be gone and new blood would have taken over (could be wrong about that). And with new blood it would seem less likely that a cover up could continue. I can imagine someone being like "well I wasn't even here when that happened, why would I risk my career over something that happened 5 years ago?!" Ya'll see what I'm saying? I thought if we could examine the new blood we might find a chink in the cover up armor?
I'll be back at my regularly scheduled late night hour. Wow St. Mary's just beat Villanova! That sound you hear is brackets busting! lol
 

Hi Spooky

It is not about distancing only Joran van der Sloot ... it is about distancing the Kalpoes and the knowledge they possess pertaining to ALL the participants to the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  It it is about distancing those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were participants in the coverup.  It is about protecting the underground economy or Aruba ... drugs ... gambling ... sex trade ... pornography ... money laundering ...

The far reaching snowball effect if the entire truth was expose implies that the Aruban house of cards would collapse and ... the "powers that be" in both Aruba and Holland are not about to allow that to happen.

Private Eye ... Natalee's uncle ... said it best when warning the crew of the Persistence.

Anyways ... Deputy Chief Adolpho Richardson has been involved with the Natalee Holloway case since the getgo.  In my opinion this guy is pulling the strings in the cover up and forcing Natalee Holloway's parents to ride an ongoing roller coaster from H---.

Janet

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private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: No, just absolutely vanished. I had no idea she was even leaving so quickly as she did. So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 5, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.

[can]

See Kirk.

See Kirk cut paper.

See Kirk make a pretty little hat!


Tie: by Gary Coleman

omg! 

[carpe noctem]

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[texasmom]

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Google translation:

Friday, March 19, 2010, 09:53 hours

Peters Diary

"Skeletal Remains of Natalee found"



John Muldowney with underwater pictures. (LancasterOnline.com)

Yesterday afternoon I received an email from Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee disappeared, that greets the words 'URGENT'. She sent a link along an Internet article about a remarkable discovery in the waters around Aruba. The headline was: "COUPLE FINDS 'SKELETON' PICTURE IN ARUBA. With the 'couple' were John and Patti Muldowney provided, in the autumn of 2009 were essentially snorkeling in Aruba. They had an underwater camera with some pictures that Patti and then some months later at home to ease the downgrade was suddenly something caught her. It seemed at one of the pictures to see was a skeleton. She showed the pictures to see some friends and everyone was with her: it looked as though there was a skeleton on the ground, possibly with some stones had been aggravated. The Muldowney were then immediately the 18-year-old Natalee Holloway thought, whose body was never found, but according Joran have been dumped into the sea. The picture is now in the hands of the FBI and the Dutch justice in Aruba made.


The picture which is all about. Are the skeletal remains of Natalee to see if the fuss about nothing? (Source: LancasterOnline.com)

Skeptical
"What am I thinking of," said Beth Holloway me. In recent years there are a few of these stories surfaced that the news got. You only have one bar in Aruba textile storm out, or there is a story in the newspaper that the possibility of a garment is Natalee. Each appeared to be nothing.


Natalee Holloway

I looked at - rather vague - and admit that picture it looks like a skeleton, but otherwise I'm very skeptical that I wrote and also Beth Holloway. The picture was taken last autumn. That is four and half years after the disappearance of Natalee. I believe strongly that after such a long time have a complete skeleton at the bottom. The waters around Aruba is at thirty degrees, this ensures that a body of a man, but also a dead fish, rapidly decomposes. There is also current. Both factors ensure that, in my view a corpse after four and half years virtually disappeared and that any remains are carried by the flow.


Beth Holloway

Snorkelers
The Muldowney was also no snorkelers and divers, which means that the body should lie in shallow water and that seems to me obvious. Then it was previously found in many searches. It is also not at all that it is indeed a skeleton. It may very well go to a pet rocks that apparently the shape of a skull and skeleton have one. I warned Beth is not here yet to attach too much value. Research should clarify whether it really is and we are not dealing with chance, another corpse, or a joke. I count on nothing.

Peter R. de Vries

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[texasmom]

Thanks Carpe!   

[klaasend]

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St Pat's - Sr. Frogs - could it be??

[texasmom]

http://www.diario.aw/2010/03/respuesta-a-la-carta-abierta-del-politico-fracasado-armando-r-lampe/

Google Spanish translation:

Response to open letter failed politician Armando R. Lampe

Publication: Diasabra, 20 Maart 2010. Category: Politics

The Commission on Freedom of the Press and Expression of SIP ...

In Aruba there are various ways, as in the United States and other countries on the continent, leading domestic policy according to their assessments of what democracy is and the dangers that lurk. As Director of the Journal of Aruba, I have been a faithful lifelong opponent of communism and those who flirt with that philosophy, because it carries with it the intention of using democratic principles, then remove to gain power. Cases like that of Cuba and Venezuela are living examples of this masquerade using adherents to wrap up with freedom of expression and then justify their outrages against it.

The JOURNAL of Aruba has not denied accepting the statements of the ex-priest become the most deceitful politician of our time, and who certainly gave the people of Aruba back strongly in the 2009 elections.

The record is in the pages of our newspaper and seen by all. Unable to accept that a chronic liar and Mr. Armando R. Lampe come to teach at what is the legitimate freedom of press and expression, that we respect and have defended to the hilt. But if he thinks he has the right to censor our conduct of self-defense of our state of law, we are greatly mistaken!

It is documented on video and in the local press's direct involvement in Mr. Lampe manifetación violent anti-government, including its direct incitement forcing demonstrators to burn a vehicle on public roads, and the destruction of certain properties legitimately elected Government.

Moreover, their blatant lies have been checked and set out in our paper every time it has happened. Require the Commission on Freedom of Expression to serve a sentence required by a politician who seems to believe in the communist dictatorship, it seems more than improbable, an insult to its own definition of "freedom" and "expression" as in the Journal of Aruba we accept them and defend.

When the previous government exulted in the community to reject our paper, and publicly called for a boycott against us all, threatening to companies that favor us with their ads, Mr. Lampe was dumb and complacent before the attack to silence the voice more decisive in defending human rights of our island. That attitude has made us look at the hypocrite's largest island.

When the late dictator of Grenada visited our island, and sent his ambassador to the JOURNAL of Aruba to post a communistic propaganda, I returned the money with the following message: "tell Mr. Maurice Bishop when have a free press in their country, will be happy to publish what he wants for free. "The ambassador left my office with his head down!

As director of the largest and most influential newspaper in Aruba, I assure you that the internal politics of our morning will remain that of a rigorous defense of freedom of speech and press, and an absolute rejection of attempts to implement any communist dictatorship in our island.

Jossy M. Mansur

This article wasn't available yet when I posted the response:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70188.php

ARUBA

"Diario censored RED '

March 20, 2010, 14:51 (GMT -04:00)


Rudy Lampe owner accused Jossy Mansur of Diario-censorship.

ORANGE CITY - In an open letter to the Inter-American press organization IAPA / SIP has party leader Rudy Lampe of RED morning newspaper Diario accused of censorship. The newspaper with the largest circulation of Aruba would benefit the political party as Lampe self-imposed silence.

Lampe's letter comes at the time the press has its annual conference for the first time in Aruba is. This is officially launched today and there are more than 200 journalists, media owners and media specialists expected. The RED-leader addressed to the commission of the press association that deals with press freedom. He makes a request to this committee to speak out against censorship by the press. Lampe is also from there that the censorship of the press organizations Diario against him and his party condemns. "Normally in this region governments to restrict press freedom. In contrast, Aruba is a peculiar situation where the press freedom of opinion affects them. "

'Communist'
In response to the open letter denies Jossy Mansur, owner and editor of Diario newspaper, press statements from the RED party leader to have deliberately not published. "The proof is in our pages and in the sight of everyone," said Mansur, who in no uncertain terms indicating no diktat from Lampe to need the freedom of expression. "But if he thinks our legitimate protection of our law to censor, then he is mistaken," Mansur said video evidence of how Lampe during a protest demonstration against the government had incited people to burn in the stabbing of a car and destroying public property. He also points out that the RED-leader held his jaw when the previous government proclaimed a boycott against his newspaper advertisers and even intimidated. "That a politician who seems to believe in communist dictatorship of the commission requires a conviction, is a blatant slap in the face of freedom of expression which Diario always has been." Mansur is also one of the speakers at the conference journalists.

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70192.php

More than 200 journalists in Aruba

March 20, 2010, 14:55 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - More than 200 journalists and other media representatives from North, Central and South America to Aruba for the conference of the Inter American Press Association (IAPA).This annual meeting of the organization will press for the first place in Aruba. The opening will be performed this morning by the Antillean and Aruban Prime Ministers. The program includes numerous lectures and presentations. IAPA has also appealed to media people and also to drivers of Venezuela to Aruba to come now to the press of that country under strong pressure.Party leader Rudy Lampe yesterday sent an open letter to IAPA morning newspaper Diario which he accused of censorship.

[carpe noctem]

I think you nailed it, Klaas.

98% positive.

[carpe noctem]

There are run of the mill Dutch guys...

...and then there is the murdering rapist with the trademark FRANKENSTEIN BANGS.


I do believe that is the one.

Mazzle Tazzle... and all that jazz.

Nice work!

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_70191.php

Google translation:

Aruban youth less hyperactive

March 20, 2010, 14:55 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Aruban people seem much less hyperactive than their Dutch peers. In addition, the youth are more emotional problems. These problems are not that young people are often guilty of crime. This link is also disturbing that youngsters have to Aruban behavior such as vandalism or minor in the class are sent, they will quickly end up in crime.

by our reporter
Sharina Henriquez

These are the first findings of the Youth Lifestyle Survey analysis of Aruba. This is a major research into the lifestyle of young people between 10 and 17 years. This study conducted in 2007 were nearly 1100 people along. The research is part of a questionnaire that is used by the Dutch WODC research for the Dutch youth delinquency measure. This is also a comparison between the young people in both countries. One of the initiators of the Aruban youth research is Hellen van der Wal, who include the Foundation Society and Crime (SMC) founded more research into crime and its prevention in Aruba. The youth research under the auspices of the University of Amsterdam is performed, is also a result, she says, "to counteract against any assertion that it is so bad with the youth". Van der Wal who co-founded the Children's heard when all other stories, but were not believed. With a research tries to identify how the youth will really.

The initial research has revealed that Aruban youth compared with their Dutch peers are less guilty of criminal behavior. However, many more young people are emotional problems, such that even 1 in 10 should be treated. The first results are compiled in a book released in 2008. Van der Wal is currently with Geert-Jan Stams, Professor of Forensic Pedagogy of the University of Amsterdam working on the rest of the data analysis. "The real work ', as both say, because there would help establish. So why the younger one does and the other chooses not criminal career. For policy makers, practitioners and Justice is this valuable information, says Stams, because such a profile can be made. They want the summer to finish the analysis to show the accumulation of factors leading to delinquency. "But what factors constitute a buffer against delinquency. It is the addition of risk and protective factors that a young offender or not. The company can then focus on that issue. So on the one hand by the risk reduction and on other side of the protective factors to increase. "

Van der Wal says that from the Dutch government is now paying attention to this analysis looks. Especially after the Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch-Ballin (CDA) during the tripartite consultations Judicial last month announced that an investigation should be about why young Aruban and Antillean men are repeat offenders. "This is about adults. For Aruban youth criminals that we will soon answer is because that image is already in this study, we should only have potential. "

Nuisance behavior leads to violence

To their surprise, the analysis so that Aruban youth with many emotional problems does not automatically end up in crime. The researchers have shown that having few emotional problems as a buffer works. Stams: "So all young people with emotional problems are helped, they are more protective against delinquency." Positive finds it striking that the Aruban youth compared to the Netherlands much less hyperactive behavior. "This saves enormous. In the Netherlands, for all that many problems. We know at this moment not only that which is in Aruba. "

On the other hand, identify the researchers note that young people who have been annoying behavior go wrong. Stams: "With little annoying behavior we mean destruction, sent from the classroom, annoying mails. Pranks you could say that at the age belongs. We now see however that this annoying behavior is a powerful predictor of delinquent behavior. "The professor leads not only to minor offenses, but also more like vandalism and even violent behavior. "That means you can not just ignore this behavior. You do not direct repressive action, but you must respond and correct the behavior. "

This also applies to young people using drugs. On Aruba's investigation shows relatively few young people use drugs. "But they do it, then the probability of severe delinquency once very big," said Stams.

Hang Around
An important predictor of juvenile delinquency, according to the professor, the quality of leisure. He himself has 54 studies from around the world have studied sport and deviant behavior. "In it I saw sport as a structured activity protects against youth delinquency. That was also back in the Aruban investigation. "In Aruba, many young people in sports (50 percent). Other structured activities are highlighted as dance and go to church. Many people also use school facilities, which also prevents them from the "career". A small group of youth appears to have no leisure. But what astonished the researchers was that this group showed no criminal behavior or frustrated than other youngsters. "These are young people such home alone. We therefore found no relationship between emotional problems or crime in this group. But if they go hang out on the street and covered by unstructured leisure. "In Aruba, it makes up about 40 percent of young people who just hang out and therefore very susceptible to criminal behavior. Stams: "You should see it so. The risk of a serious offense is halved by structured leisure. This is extremely important to know. "

[klaasend]

There are run of the mill Dutch guys...

...and then there is the murdering rapist with the trademark FRANKENSTEIN BANGS.


I do believe that is the one.

Mazzle Tazzle... and all that jazz.

Nice work!

It caught my eye so I lightened up the photo 

[Magnolia]

St Pat's - Sr. Frogs - DJ Diablo



St Pat's - Sr. Frogs - could it be??

I think you finally found him, Klaas!  No doubt it is him. He makes my skin crawl.

[klaasend]

I'm not sure if that's him.  I also found this photo of a guy with his head on the table, also from SrFrogs StPats