Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)

[mizjay]

I am sure that people in the County are on the internet seeing just who their neighbors are.

I looked up one of my daughters neighborhoods when she lived here and found that not too far from her A couple of miles as I recall) was an apartment complex with about a dozen RSO's living there..and, they tended to live in the same apartment with their SO buddy.

Sheesh, seems like it would be a no-no to live with other felons, especially that type. Probably a whole lot of feeding the beast going on. Porn and justifying all their perverted ideas.... and probably sooner or later acting on them

[Tracygirl]

This was snipped on from the above newspaper article

"Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Wednesday his agency contacted Gardner "no less than eight times" during the two years he lived in the city, including two months after Amber went missing."

I spoke to someone early on at the Escondido police department regarding Amber Dubois' case. I was told that they only check once a year. I wonder why they checked JAG 8 times in 2 years? That is really odd to me.

He lived at the apartment with a girlfriend and 2 kids and the Escondido PD went to check on him 8 times? Did they go in and see the children that lived there? Are RSO allowed to live with children?

[mizjay]

I believe we have confirmed from birth records that her maiden name is Osborn.

Oh, ok...sorry!  I must have missed those posts...I am still trying to figure out how the posts are arranged.  I know that I was going from the end at one point and now the new ones are at the beginning. I will get it figured out.  Okay, so there is a birth record of Osborn being the maiden name? Hmmm...well, that is quite odd.  Is there evidence that the O'reillys actually do live at the home? I know that there are reports that others do live in the home...but, I may have missed where it was posted that it was in fact the O'reillys.  I'm wondering if there is some sort of internet scheme going on.  Because when I did a reverse domain search for Baba Pictures there was an abundance of sites associated with that domain...so just to check that theory out, I did a domain search on the web address on my water bottle...it only had 2...when I did theirs it had over 2000. 
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Labubske~  that's really weird, I don't know how any of that works but it smells fishy.... and WELCOME to SM

[sebastian]

This was snipped on from the above newspaper article

"Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Wednesday his agency contacted Gardner "no less than eight times" during the two years he lived in the city, including two months after Amber went missing."

I spoke to someone early on at the Escondido police department regarding Amber Dubois' case. I was told that they only check once a year. I wonder why they checked JAG 8 times in 2 years? That is really odd to me.

He lived at the apartment with a girlfriend and 2 kids and the Escondido PD went to check on him 8 times? Did they go in and see the children that lived there? Are RSO allowed to live with children?

If they are his own kids, maybe he was allowed? Not sure. Didn't the apartment managers on Rock Springs have any kind of an obligation to check him out as a registered sex offender?  I also would like to know where he has lived from the time he left high school up in Lake Arrowhead to the time that he moved to Rock Springs. There are way too many gaps, and long ones at that!

[sebastian]

There are three other areas to check out for JAG. Lawndale, Palmdale and Hawthorne

[IBE]

I am sure that people in the County are on the internet seeing just who their neighbors are.

I looked up one of my daughters neighborhoods when she lived here and found that not too far from her A couple of miles as I recall) was an apartment complex with about a dozen RSO's living there..and, they tended to live in the same apartment with their SO buddy.

Sheesh, seems like it would be a no-no to live with other felons, especially that type. Probably a whole lot of feeding the beast going on. Porn and justifying all their perverted ideas.... and probably sooner or later acting on them

First I am not trying to stick up for felons.... especially perverts.. however the do tend to live in conclaves so to speak. Is this because they are potentially harassed if in a single family home or because likes like likes? I don't know the answer. I if you do a search for them, say in Los Angeles, you will see them living in certain sections, but sometimes it is around schools.

We need to redo the list... get the ones off there who have, say had sex as a teenager with another teenager, vs. the hard sex perverts such as the one in this case.

The death penalty is a consideration but in CA they live in jail a very long time before it happens, if at all before they die naturally.

Are taxpayers ready to put up all the money it takes to house them?? In CA prisoners are being let out early for the lack of room... of course here many are illegals.

I agree... the LE can database the gangs down to the tatoo on their arm, why can't they take the time they are required to do to follow up on un-RSO's? How about volunteers manning the computer input needed and lists of follow up... no them going out the the un-RSo but helping in the input info.

I am ready to act, but don't know where to go to start??? Did anyone get the contact on Jane VM show today of the follow up to a place for "Freedom without Fear? a place where the actions starts???

[sebastian]

OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!

[sebastian]

Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

[Shell]

CARLSBAD: Sex offender laws exerted little control over defendant
By SARAH GORDON - sgordon@nctimes.com | Posted: March 4, 2010 10:24 pm

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the 30-year-old man accused of raping and murdering Poway High School senior Chelsea King, appears to have complied with Megan's Law, the only statute governing where he lived and traveled.

Yet, when 17-year-old Chelsea disappeared in Rancho Bernardo last week, authorities checked the database of sex offenders registered in the San Diego area. Gardner was not among them.

And when a 16-year-old girl was attacked last year in Riverside County, authorities did a similar check of the sex offender registry. Again, no Gardner.

Gardner completed all the terms of his sentence from a violent 2000 attack on a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo that led to his designation as a sex offender. Many now say the reduced sentence he received allowed the dangerous man to return to society too soon.

That Gardner was free and eluded detection when Chelsea was killed illustrates that changes are needed to Megan's Law and other sex-offender sentencing laws, some say.

In recent years, Gardner apparently spent time at his parents' town house in Rancho Bernardo, an Escondido apartment where he lived about two years, and a home outside Lake Elsinore.

Megan's Law, enacted in 1996 in California, requires most of the state's sex offenders to register their address every year, or within five days of moving. A public database of sex offenders is supposed to let the community and police track potentially dangerous neighbors.

There is no indication from authorities that Gardner violated the law.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Gardner was a registered sex offender in Escondido for most of January 2008 until January 2010. Carter would not confirm Gardner's address and added Gardner moved out of the city at least once in that time.

Neighbors said Gardner lived in two different units at a Rock Springs Road apartment complex during that time.

In January, Gardner moved, registering his address at a home outside Lake Elsinore, Riverside County sheriff's officials said. Deputies never visited the home, officials said.

Seven weeks later, Chelsea disappeared in the Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, and Gardner's name didn't turn up on the list of neighborhood sex offenders because he had already registered his Lake Elsinore-area address.

Megan's Law places no restrictions on travel or overnight stays of sex offenders, and authorities say Gardner was not restricted from traveling to North County once he moved.

However, the law requires offenders to register multiple addresses where they "regularly stay." If Gardner was regularly staying with his parents in Rancho Bernardo, as neighbors have reported, he was required to register that address with San Diego police.

The address does not appear on the Megan's Law Web site, indicating Gardner never registered it. San Diego police would not have seen it if they searched for local registered sex offenders during their investigations of the two crimes prosecutors now say Gardner committed.

Prosecutors say that Dec. 27, Gardner attempted to rape a jogger on the trails of Lake Hodges, about a mile from the Rancho Bernardo town house.

He is charged with killing Chelsea during a rape or attempted rape on the same trails where she headed for a jog after school Feb. 25. Her body was discovered Tuesday in a shallow grave at the lake's edge.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to charges in both cases.

Defense attorney and former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst said Gardner's case illustrates the flaws in the Megan's Law registry and monitoring program.

By requiring every sex offender to register for life, it creates a massive pool that makes it difficult for the police or the public to monitor those who are most dangerous.

The state has about 63,000 sex offenders listed in its Megan's Law registry, according to the state Department of Justice.

"It brings in dangerous characters with less dangerous characters," Pfingst said. "There's too much information, so it brings in useless information with useful information."

Police don't have the resources to track so many offenders, Pfingst said. If no one kept a close eye on Gardner, that's no surprise, he said.

Julie Stone, a Poway resident whose daughter is a senior at Poway High School, said the Megan's Law Web site doesn't help her protect her daughter.

"It shows there's a sex offender living on my street right now, but I don't know what he did," Stone said.

She said the registry shows the neighbor was convicted of lewd acts with a child under 14, but it is not clear how much of a threat he poses now.

Gardner's Megan's Law Web listing notes the same crime, but doesn't give any details.

Current law limits available information about registered sex offenders. It would take a legislative change to expand the amount of information available to the public.

Even local police have no easy access to detailed information about registered sex offenders living in their community, state Department of Justice officials say.

The Department of Justice compiles only a "rap sheet" for sex offenders that includes past arrests, charges and sentences. So police can't easily research what a particular offender has done and often must track down old probation and police reports to learn more, said California Deputy Attorney General Janet Neeley.

Police also have no access to the risk score the State Parole and County Probation departments assign to each newly released offender.

But beginning June 1, the Department of Justice will receive a "facts of the case" report for every sex offender released on parole or probation, along with the risk assessment score, Neeley said. Police will have access to that.

"We think that will be a huge step forward," she said.

Past offenses

It is not clear whether Escondido, Lake Elsinore or San Diego police knew the facts of Gardner's past offense.

Carter said every sex offender in the city is required to meet once with a detective to discuss past offenses and review the law.

He also said police visited Gardner at least eight times as part of its routine checks on the city's 192 registered sex offenders or as part of an investigation into missing Escondido 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

Police are investigating whether Gardner has any connection to Amber's Feb. 13, 2009, disappearance, about two miles from his apartment. But it is not clear whether he was a suspect before he was connected to Chelsea's killing.

Authorities also are investigating the case of a 16-year-old girl who reported that she ran away after a man asked her for directions, then tried to force her into a car at gunpoint Oct. 28 in Lake Elsinore, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department said. At the time, Gardner was registered in Escondido.

The suspect was described as a man 30 to 35 years old with a squarish jaw, brown eyes and a blond crew cut. A sketch appears similar to Gardner.

Investigators checked out local sex offenders at the time, but not Gardner, Sgt. Patrick Chavez said.

"He had not come onto our radar until January," when he notified authorities that he was living in an unincorporated village near Lake Elsinore, Chavez said.

The first conviction

In 2000, John Albert Gardner III repeatedly punched and sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo, according to court records.

Gardner, then 20, picked up the victim before school as she waited for her bus, court records show. He invited her to his Rancho Bernardo town house to watch a movie, and then began a violent sexual assault, pulling off the girl's pants against her protests, battering her face in anger and nearly suffocating her with his hand over her mouth, records show.

Many are questioning Gardner's sentence for the crime: six years in prison, of which he served just over five. He could have gotten 30 years for the original charges, according to court documents. The sentencing memo notes an agreement allowing the lesser charges ---- and a shorter sentence ---- will "spare the victim the trauma of testifying."

That memo includes psychiatrist Dr. Matthew Carroll's opinion that Gardner be sentenced to the "maximum sentence allowed by law" because he would be a "continued danger to underage girls in the society."

"It's bad enough we have predators out there who have not been caught do these horrible things, but to have one who we had every chance to keep behind bars be sentenced so leniently, it's just infuriating," said Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, whose 36th District includes Murrieta, Temecula, Bonsall, Fallbrook and Poway.

He and other local representatives say they have been flooded with calls and e-mails from people who are furious that Gardner went to jail for only five years, followed by three years of parole, and was free to strike again.

Such sentiments were clear Wednesday outside the San Diego Superior Courthouse during Gardner's arraignment, when protesters held signs calling for "one strike" and "no parole for sex offenders."

Jessica's Law

Since Gardner's conviction, 70 percent of voters in November 2006 approved Jessica's Law, which monitors sexual offenders by GPS for life and bars them from living within 2,000 feet of any school or park. So far, court rulings have said it applies only to those paroled from prison after its enactment so it did not apply to Gardner.

Had Gardner been released under Jessica's Law, he would have been subject to its restrictions.

But the reality is that Gardner probably would have been monitored by GPS only for the length of his parole, which ended in 2008. The 6,788 California sex offenders on active parole are the only offenders in the state monitored by GPS, according to a January report by the California Sex Offender Management Board, which advises the government and Legislature on sex offender policy.

And once sex offenders leave parole, virtually no local agency monitors them with GPS, the report notes.

Call staff writer Sarah Gordon at 760-740-3517.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Posted in Sdcounty on Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:24 pm Updated: 11:44 pm. | Tags:

   

   

[Shell]

Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks..I am listening

[Shell]

So he wrecked the Pontiac a month or so ago..I hope they can find it

[Shell]

So he was in construction...and did other jobs like dry walling, pouring slabs etc. Was an electrician journeyman.

[Bearlyhere]

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Geesh....it looks like there were so many opportunities to lock this guy up for something . He should have still been in prison for the 2000 charges.

He should never have been left out.  Why do we view Psychiatry as junk science?  Why do insurance companies refuse to pay for it, or contribute such a minute amount to it?  It is the one medical profession that touches the most people at one time.  (e.g.  If someone gets treatment or the psychiatrist, in this case, was listened to, it has the potential to save the most amount of people.  If JAG was kept out of society, as was recommended by the court psych, look at the people who would have been safe).  Once we start making mental health a priority, we have the potential to affect and keep safe a lot of people.  If only they would have listened and not ever let him out again.

 

[Bearlyhere]

What Makes A Sex Offender Become A Killer?

SAN DIEGO -- It's hard to predict and even harder to ignore the moment a sex offender becomes a killer, but a local psychologist said there are some clear warning signs when pinpointing a violent sexual predator.

"It's about satisfaction at my cost," said clinical psychologist Michael Mantell, who has worked with many sex offenders.

Many wonder when that hunt for satisfaction turns into murder, and Mantell told 10News, "Many of them commit what we call 'lust murders.' The act of murder is a sexual experience."

Mantell said it is a final act in a pattern of behavior often littered with animal cruelty, rape fantasies and violence.

In the case of John Gardner, the man accused in the rape and slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King, he was handed a six-year sentence for molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in 2000. At the time, he was nearly 21 years old.

"My guess is this is not the first time he's acted out on his obsession for violence," said Mantell.

In addition to the King case, Gardner is now charged with another assault and attempted rape in December. He is also being looked at in other cases, including the case of missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois.

Mantell said sex offenders usually obsess over violent fantasies prior to killing.

"They move from someone obsessed with sexual satisfaction to domination, control and sadistic sexual fantasies," said Mantell.

It was a desire for domination on display in the form of Scott Erskine, who sexually assaulted and killed two boys in San Diego in 1993. Erskine had a history of violence dating back to his early teens, including an assault on a female jogger.

"It's like a hunger that needs to be filled and eventually, when he has the opportunity, that's when he fulfills his desire," said Mantell.

Mantell said it's hard to predict who will ultimately cross that line of violence turning deadly.

One example cited was in the case of Danielle van Dam, where the man convicted for her death, David Westerfield, did not have a criminal record.

http://www.10news.com/news/22747842/detail.html

There are medications to help with violence, why wasn't he on any?  Why aren't these offenders followed by someone who can tell when they are starting to lose control?  If they have to be out, they should be monitored forever, just like an alcoholic is addicted to alcohol, they are addicted to violence.  Just like an alcoholic can kill when he leaves the house and gets behind the wheel, the sex offender can kill when out of the house, too.  Why didn't anyone care enough to keep tabs on this guy?  Is that what his mom thought she was doing or was she enabling him?  Well, we know she was enabling him but was it a conscious or unconscious decision?  I have so many questions running through my head and they all start with Why!  Why?  Why?  Why?  And they all end with dammit!

 

[Bearlyhere]

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rancho-Santa-Fe-Child-Abduction-Attempts/QteQtNy6GUWiXBlQuhMIEA.cspx


Rancho Santa Fe Child Abduction Attempts

   Reported by: Antonio Castelan
Email: antonio.castelan@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 2/19 12:04 am


RANCHO SANTA FE - On Thursday, investigators released a sketch of a man suspected of trying to lure children into his truck in the Rancho Santa Fe area. Sheriff deputies say already three separate times this week the suspect tried to pick up either a girl or boy.

The attempted child kidnappings happened near the 6200 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

Stacey Feinberg talks about the alert she received from her daughter's school. Her daughter, Bailey, is a second grader at Rancho Santa Fe elementary. Teachers put out a warning of a man trying to lure kids into his truck.

Feinberg said,  "I was shocked, because we moved to this beautiful little hamlet because we didn't think things like this happened."

Officers say a man driving a white truck tried to pick up some girls ranging from the ages of 8 to 10 years old from their driveways.  In another attempt the man reportedly drove his truck right up next to a girl while she was in a crosswalk. Now Feinberg has made the message clear to her child: stay away from strangers.

Feinberg said,  "No matter what anybody says to you, wave, smiles, 'come on over -- I have candy -- help me find my puppy' --  if it's a stranger, you don't go near them."

Witnesses describe the suspect as a Latino man in his thirties to fifties.  He has a thin mustache with large glasses. The suspect drives a white truck with ladders on the sides.

One thing I hope does not happen and that is that they pin the crimes of another on JAG, if we have another/other SO/s out there, let's get him/them, too.  Keep these SOBs off the street and away from our children NOW!

 

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/04/chelsea.king.parents/
Parents of slain teen Chelsea King: 'Change has to be made'
March 4, 2010 10:59 p.m. EST

The parents of Chelsea King told CNN's Larry King that their daughter was a great student and avid runner.
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The parents of a California girl who was allegedly raped and killed by a registered sex offender are calling for tougher standards against repeat offenders.

"How many times do our daughters need to be raped before we put these monsters behind bars forever?" said Kelly King, mother of 17-year-old Chelsea King, in an interview Thursday with CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I just don't -- I don't get it. Change has to be made," she continued, "and I know that there are people out there that are trying to, you know, get this change in place."

She said she and her husband, Brent King, "are committed for the rest of our lives to be a part of that."

On Wednesday, John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender, was charged in the rape and murder of Chelsea, who lived in the San Diego area. Gardner, who is being represented by a public defender, was also charged Wednesday with assault with intent to commit rape in an attack on a jogger in December 2009
He pleaded not guilty to all charges. Gardner, of Lake Elsinore, California, will not be allowed to post bail.

If convicted, the charges against Gardner make him eligible for the death penalty, the San Diego County district attorney's office said Wednesday. The prosecutor's office said it has not determined whether it will seek capital punishment.

For the Kings, there's no question.

"I think the death penalty is a very appropriate punishment for this case," Kelly King.

Brent King said he had "100 percent agreement" with his wife.

Searchers found a body on Tuesday they believe to be that of Chelsea King. Police arrested Gardner on Sunday.

King had been missing since February 25. Investigators said she was last seen at her school in Poway, about 15 miles north of San Diego. Her car, with her cell phone inside, was found at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Searchers found remains in a shallow grave at that park; they were found along the shoreline of a tributary south of a lake, authorities said. The body was found in a heavily wooded area not visible from nearby homes. A shoe had been found earlier in the same area, the sheriff said.
King's parents, noting she was a great student and avid runner, said she had gone for a run at the park before she disappeared.

"It's a lovely area, very peaceful, very picturesque -- exactly what Chelsea ... loved to be in," Kelly King said.

She said the couple's son, 13-year-old Tyler, was extremely close to his sister. "He's struggling through it just like us," Brent King added.

Gardner's next court appearance, a status hearing, is scheduled for Tuesday. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for March 18

[trimmonthelake]

Good Morning Bearly!   

[Bearlyhere]

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

Good glad he is off the street! Dirty SOB, now keep him in jail for life! No second chance to ever mentally or physically harm a child again! Never!

That was the third time this child witnesses something like that.

 

[Bearlyhere]

OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!

He was laying concrete?

 

[Shell]

OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!

He was laying concrete?

 

That was one of the things the relative (a male) said he did. Sounds like he was doing any construction jobs he could.