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« Reply #1480 on: March 08, 2010, 06:58:29 PM »

from twitter:

News 8's Angie Lee spoke to a John Gardner family member who says that family is "shocked and surprised by the charges".

Not sure who the family member is, but if it was anyone that is a part of this life then come on already, a surprise?  If it was his mother, well lady you can just leave your license at the door because apparently you suck as what you do. What a diservice she is to not only her son but to the mental health field.
You're right TG.  It's not as if he has been away from the family, he has been within a very few miles of her since his release, so it's fair to say that he was in and around her frequently when he wasn't actually residing with her. If she didn't pick up on his behavior then IMO she is not very good at being a psychiatric RN, and it's not proven what kind of doctor KO is, but I'd be willing to bet he was either a psychologist or had to do with that field 
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« Reply #1481 on: March 08, 2010, 07:40:37 PM »

"In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter." --Gypsy DD

Has anyone considered JAG not being the only one involved?  I mean overall it seems like he is...but, it makes me wonder.  And also, with the comment about the Rim of the World group that duct taped and raped girls in the forest...stating it was around JAG's time there...maybe something sick has been going on...well, besides what we know!  Just a thought. 
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« Reply #1482 on: March 08, 2010, 07:52:47 PM »

"In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter." --Gypsy DD

Has anyone considered JAG not being the only one involved?  I mean overall it seems like he is...but, it makes me wonder.  And also, with the comment about the Rim of the World group that duct taped and raped girls in the forest...stating it was around JAG's time there...maybe something sick has been going on...well, besides what we know!  Just a thought. 

If you are going to post the above comment from Gypsy DD please post a link back to where you got it or AT LEAST tell us where the quote came from.  Otherwise it's 100% not worth even reading unless we can follow the source.
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« Reply #1483 on: March 08, 2010, 08:05:53 PM »

"In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter." --Gypsy DD

Has anyone considered JAG not being the only one involved?  I mean overall it seems like he is...but, it makes me wonder.  And also, with the comment about the Rim of the World group that duct taped and raped girls in the forest...stating it was around JAG's time there...maybe something sick has been going on...well, besides what we know!  Just a thought. 

If you are going to post the above comment from Gypsy DD please post a link back to where you got it or AT LEAST tell us where the quote came from.  Otherwise it's 100% not worth even reading unless we can follow the source.

Okay, makes sense...I was trying to quote only a certain section of it.   
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« Reply #1484 on: March 08, 2010, 08:19:27 PM »

Just finished reading this whole thread.

I have to say that you Monkeys did an amazing job of finding this group of sex crazed adults.

Put me in the vote as one who thinks this Hash Humpers group and particularly JAG's mother's and O'Reilly's involvement lead to his escalated behavior.  His parents are in their home and others acting out their sexual fantasies, others sexual fantasies, drunk and disorderly.  This certainly had to add to his sickness and his behavior. 

Porn has been found with every known serial rapist and serial murders.  It is not a non victim crime as some would have you believe.  It does something to one's mind , especially if you are a child and it involves either your participation or watching. 

I would say from the pics you were able to capture and the little left at these sites that this would be like living in a porn environment constantly.  Where people feel free to act out their fantasies with whomever or whatever they please..and because they call themselves adults, are runners and drunks they can say this is okay...it doesn't hurt anyone.  Now we will see it has hurt a boat load of people..themselves as well as all the young girls that JAG may have preyed upon that haven't come forward. Not to mention Chelsea and now possibly Amber.

In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter.  They are grooming them at a very young age it would seem.

They wouldn't be taking these sites down if they knew they did not do anything wrong..they are acting ashamed to have others look at them.  Shame comes when you know what you are doing is wrong.

If this women (JAGS MOM) does not lose her job and license over this then something is very wrong in the State of California.  You do not subject a person like JAG to a life of booze and sex and expect that he will be able to overcome his illness.  Or perhaps she didn't think raping was an illness..just fun gone a little overboard.  I know she would have had to stop this behavior herself inorder to give him a healthy perspective toward women and sexual behavior.  I think he was acting out his hatred of his mother and her disorderly life that he had obsevered.  A man can not have respect for a woman like that if she is his mother.

I am not a prude..but this behavior is not normal adult behavior...these people do need to check themselves into  the Betty Ford Clinic ASAP.

Gypsy... thank you for summing this up so well.  Yes, I do believe the things JAG has been exposed to growing up could contribute to this mental health problems.

I'm not sure yet how to quote from someone without posting the entire section...but, I am redoing it...so that it makes more sense!  I will figure it all out.  Also, I meant to post it in another area and so it makes A LOT less sense here...sorry.
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« Reply #1485 on: March 08, 2010, 08:20:02 PM »

Judge orders release of Gardner probation report
The accused killer's lawyers have until Wednesday to appeal

 Superior Court judge on Monday ordered the release of a decade-old probation report generated after John Albert Gardner III was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo.

The judge gave Gardner's defense lawyers until Wednesday morning to appeal the court's decision.

During a hearing requested by The San Diego Union-Tribune and news partner 10News, Judge David Danielsen said he had to weigh the public's right to know against the defendant's right to a fair trial.

Gardner, 30, is accused in the death of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway, who went missing Feb. 25 after she went for a jog at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found near Lake Hodges on March 2.

The case has attracted widespread attention, both locally and nationally.

Danielsen noted on Monday that state law allows for the release of the previously sealed document, after the defendant has been arrested again. But the judge noted that some personal data such as addresses, telephone numbers and information that would identify the victim in the 2000 case would be redacted.

"Most of these facts have already been disclosed," Danielsen said of the information in the document, noting that the media had widely reported information from sentencing documents.

Gardner was convicted of committing a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment, stemming from a March 2000 incident involving a neighbor girl at his mother's Rancho Bernardo home. The girl said he repeatedly punched her in the face and touched her private parts.

Defense attorneys Mel Epley and Michael Popkins, the deputy public defenders handling the Chelsea King murder case, told the judge they wanted time to consider whether to file a writ with the 4th District Court of Appeal, in an effort to keep the documents under seal.

The judge gave them until Wednesday morning.

Epley told the judge he also wanted the judge to consider imposing a gag order on all parties related to the case, particularly all branches of law enforcement, preventing them from sharing details of the investigation.

The judge declined to rule on the order Monday, saying he need more information before he could consider it.

Gardner is due back in court Tuesday morning for a status conference. The defense attorney indicated he wanted Danielsen to consider permanently assigning the case to another judge.

Gardner, a registered sex offender, faces a murder charge and a special-circumstance allegation of murder during a rape or attempted rape. The allegation makes him eligible for the death penalty, but prosecutors have not announced whether they will seek his execution or life without parole, if convicted.

He is also charged with assault with intent to commit rape, stemming from a Dec. 27 attack on a female jogger in the same Rancho Bernardo park.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/judge-orders-release-gardner-probation-report/
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« Reply #1486 on: March 08, 2010, 08:22:01 PM »

OMG!  It still isn't right!  Sorry...well, the last post does show where I got my information from.  Sorry.  I really don't know what happened.   
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« Reply #1487 on: March 08, 2010, 09:33:11 PM »

I am reading the few HashTrash Newsletters I saved from the HumpinHash website.  The Dec 27th, 2009 issue is rather interesting, it seems a fellow hasher committed suicide and on that morning 2 hashers reported there was a girl attacked in the hills where they would be running. There is also reference about porn in another issue.  Disturbing to say the least.

Klaas not sure how you would like me to post these, if at all - perhaps I can email them to you and you can take it from there. 
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« Reply #1488 on: March 08, 2010, 09:51:14 PM »

OMG!  It still isn't right!  Sorry...well, the last post does show where I got my information from.  Sorry.  I really don't know what happened.   

what I do when trying to emphasize a portion of someone's post without stacking the whole post/article is....I say, "snipped from so and so's previous quote/post".....then I copy and paste the part that I want to speak about...maybe someone else has a better way of doing it, but that is how I do it..seems to be ok and works out...to me it is better than re quoting and re stacking the whole post, especially if it is a really long article/post...take care....
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« Reply #1489 on: March 08, 2010, 09:52:13 PM »

oh yikes that did not work at all - don't even try to make sense of that........Klaas can you remove my reply to labubske?  Labubske head to the test area and practice I think you will figure it out http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.0 
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« Reply #1490 on: March 08, 2010, 09:54:20 PM »

thank you Missiontoconvict...that helps so much! 
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« Reply #1491 on: March 08, 2010, 09:54:24 PM »

oh yikes that did not work at all - don't even try to make sense of that........Klaas can you remove my reply to labubske?  Labubske head to the test area and practice I think you will figure it out http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.0 

good that you at least tried to explain it  Mission! 
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« Reply #1492 on: March 08, 2010, 09:57:30 PM »

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« Reply #1493 on: March 08, 2010, 09:59:31 PM »

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« Reply #1494 on: March 08, 2010, 10:01:40 PM »

Muffy can you help clean up my mess?  an angelic monkey

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« Reply #1495 on: March 08, 2010, 11:06:50 PM »

http://edumacation.com/HashLoveOnTheRun   By now we all probably have a good idea about what goes on during these runs...here is a more in depth explanation from hashers themselves.  Thought you may want to read it.
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« Reply #1496 on: March 09, 2010, 12:49:01 AM »

http://edumacation.com/HashLoveOnTheRun   By now we all probably have a good idea about what goes on during these runs...here is a more in depth explanation from hashers themselves.  Thought you may want to read it.

Thanks for the article Labubske.  Sure shows that the members come from all walks of life. Gives a twist on Lou Reed's song Take a Walk on The Wild Side (if you're old enough to remember it lol!)
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« Reply #1497 on: March 09, 2010, 01:33:54 AM »



Police: Man Eyed in 2nd Calif. Teen Murder

Tuesday , March 09, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. —
A registered sex offender charged with murdering a teen girl last month is a focus of the investigation into the death of a 14-year-old girl whose remains were found more than a year after she disappeared near her school, police said Monday.

Police said they are eyeing John Albert Gardner III in the death of Amber Dubois, whose bones were found Saturday in a remote area of the Pala Indian Reservation.

A police statement did not elaborate on the investigation and only said the scene was still being processed. Police Lt. Craig Carter did not immediately respond to a phone message seeking further details.

FBI teams worked under rainy skies during their search of the mountainous area of dense shrubs and rocks.

Gardner, 30, pleaded not guilty last week to murdering and raping or attempting to rape 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway and attempting to rape another woman in December in the same park where King disappeared.

His public defender, Michael Popkins, did not respond to a phone message.

Gardner was expected to make his second court appearance Tuesday in the potential death penalty case.

Police have not revealed how they learned the location of Amber's remains, saying it was part of the ongoing investigation. Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, also declined to say what led authorities to the remains.

However, she said she was grateful for the sense of closure after the long hunt for her daughter.

"I'm managing," McGonigle said in a brief interview. "It was a roller coaster the last year and now we have closure, which is more than a lot of parents have."

Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, near Escondido High School, about 10 miles north of the site where King vanished Feb. 25. A body presumed to be Chelsea was found March 2 in a shallow, lakeside grave, but authorities have said they would not make an official identification until Gardner's preliminary hearing.

At a candlelight vigil Monday night in memory of Amber, McGonigle and Dubois called for better laws to protect children from predators.

"We as parents in the community need to make a change for the protection of our children, Dubois told the more than 1,000 mourners who gathered near the site where Amber vanished.

"I still see a lot of kids walking by themselves and it scares me," McGonigle said.

Escondido High School Principal Rich Watkins called for families to re-evaluate their daily routines and take other measures to protect children.

"Let's work together to make sure we don't have to meet like this again," Watkins said

Brent and Kelly King shared their grief with Amber's family.

"We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness," the Kings said in a statement. "We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber's precious young life."

Friends and classmates put candles, cards, flowers and balloons outside Escondido High School, near the spot where Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. that February morning. The school held a moment of silence in her memory. Crisis counselors were on hand to help students deal with their grief.

"They'll be here as long as it takes to make sure we get through this time," Principal Rich Watkins said.

Jeff Fidel skipped work as an investment adviser to stay home with his daughter Jade, who was Amber's best friend. Jade Fidel was watching television Sunday when Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher announced Amber's remains were positively identified through dental records.

"All I heard was a blood-curdling scream," Jeff Fidel recalled. "My wife and I came running in ... It's been rough."

Maher spoke at the Monday night vigil, vowing to work toward a successful prosecution of Amber's killer. "If not closure, we can certainly get justice," Maher said.

Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, had left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed, fueling suspicion of foul play.

Paul Levikow, a spokesman for the district attorney's office, said the brief hearing Tuesday would address procedural issues and could involve delaying the preliminary hearing now set for March 19. He declined to comment on the investigation into Amber's death.

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Escondido, a north San Diego suburb, from January 2008 to January 2010, with some gaps, police said.

He served five years of a six-year prison term for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in San Diego in 2000. He completed parole in September 2008.
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« Reply #1498 on: March 09, 2010, 07:24:28 AM »

It is interesting he was in the SED program at school yet was mainstreamed. normally these kids are kept in a contained classroom - which means they do not go to lunch, class, recess or bathroom with the other kids. SED is a program for kids that are VERY disturbed. The classrooms often have a "quite room" which is basically a cell where they lock the kids when they get out of hand. Almost none of them are mainstreamed and most are not even allowed to participate in extracurriculars. It is a very extreme measure to be classified as SED. It requires a diagnosis from a medical doctor and most of the time a psychiatrist. These kids often do not graduate and are often institutionalized later in life - either in a psychiatric institution or a jail.

In our district these diagnosis also include children with anxiety disorder.  They are often mainstreamed unless school is too overwhelming for them.  They often go into the mainstream when their anxiety issues are resolved with therapy and meds.  It is illegal to lock kids in a "cell" when they get out of hand.

 


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IDEA 2004 Disability Categories

Regulations: Part 300  / A  / 300.8  / c

(c) Definitions of disability terms. The terms used in this definition of a child with a disability are defined as follows:


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(i) Emotional disturbance means a condition exhibiting one or more of the following characteristics over a long period of time and to a marked degree that adversely affects a child's educational performance:

(A) An inability to learn that cannot be explained by intellectual, sensory, or health factors.

(B) An inability to build or maintain satisfactory interpersonal relationships with peers and teachers.

(C) Inappropriate types of behavior or feelings under normal circumstances.

(D) A general pervasive mood of unhappiness or depression.

(E) A tendency to develop physical symptoms or fears associated with personal or school problems.

(ii) Emotional disturbance includes schizophrenia. The term does not apply to children who are socially maladjusted, unless it is determined that they have an emotional disturbance under paragraph (c)(4)(i) of this section.

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http://learningdisabilities.about.com/od/publicschoolprograms/a/leastrestrictiv.htm

Least Restrictive Environment - What is the Least Restrictive Environment?
Least Restrictive Environment - Choosing Placement in the LRE


What is the Least Restrictive Environment?

The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) requires that all children with disabilities must be educated in the least restrictive environment (LRE) that is appropriate for them. The spirit of this requirement is to ensure that children are not unnecessarily removed from the regular classroom or isolated from other non-disabled children of their age. LRE decisions are made based on children's learning needs and vary from child to child. IDEA also requires that schools provide a full continuum of services ranging from regular classrooms with support to special classes, and special school placements as needed.
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This is the law and it pertains to a child's diagnosis and how it affects the way they learn.  It would be contraindicated to have a lock up cell in this kind of environment where children have anxiety disorder, depression, have been abused, etc.  These children are also guaranteed by law a positive behavioral support program if needed where their behavior is monitored.

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