Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)

[Northern Rose]

reporter asked about knife found - sherriff no comment

[Edward]

A tributary or affluent is a stream or river which flows into a main stem (or parent) river.

[Tracygirl]

So his pattern is to place a body in water.

A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

[Edward]

Rest in Peace Princess Chelsea.

I pray God holds the parents for as long as it takes to stop the bleeding in their hearts.

[Edward]

Please correct my spelling.

I will take a break for awhile now.

[Tracygirl]

Fox says she was found in what is refered to as the shoe..I think that is the area on the map that is right above Alberata on the southern part of the lake. You can see how the water goes off in a little streamish point. She was found about 10 feet off the shore.

[Cappuccino]

Fox says she was found in what is refered to as the shoe..I think that is the area on the map that is right above Alberata on the southern part of the lake. You can see how the water goes off in a little streamish point. She was found about 10 feet off the shore.

Yup, its my take that another family, maybe more may also get the same type of "closure" due to this monster...Im just fuming as I do every time I hear a case like this, it is senseless & I am not a fan of JVM by any means due to the fact that I think she is a drama hound & totally annoying how she inflects her opinions BUT she used a term tonight "junk justice" and that I do agree well beyond her angst as Ive seen this for years and years & yet still the powers that be just refuse to get it right.    We need to protect society ABOVE AND BEYOND the rights of these heinous basturds

[mizjay]

So his pattern is to place a body in water.

A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

The sheriff indicated the shallow grave was more like coverings (leaves/brush/sticks) don't know if he used a shovel or anything, not confirmed.  It is amazing how close it is to the trail, how very close to houses......why was he muddy Sunday...did he go back to check..?

[Cappuccino]

So his pattern is to place a body in water.

A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

The sheriff indicated the shallow grave was more like coverings (leaves/brush/sticks) don't know if he used a shovel or anything, not confirmed.  It is amazing how close it is to the trail, how very close to houses......why was he muddy Sunday...did he go back to check..?

Could be that he dumped and then went back to cover, ugh or worse there is another victim

[Green Eyes]

Fox says she was found in what is refered to as the shoe..I think that is the area on the map that is right above Alberata on the southern part of the lake. You can see how the water goes off in a little streamish point. She was found about 10 feet off the shore.

Yup, its my take that another family, maybe more may also get the same type of "closure" due to this monster...Im just fuming as I do every time I hear a case like this, it is senseless & I am not a fan of JVM by any means due to the fact that I think she is a drama hound & totally annoying how she inflects her opinions BUT she used a term tonight "junk justice" and that I do agree well beyond her angst as Ive seen this for years and years & yet still the powers that be just refuse to get it right.    We need to protect society ABOVE AND BEYOND the rights of these heinous basturds

I couldn't agree more Capp. I want this low life to die a slow pain filled death.
Rest In Peace Chelsea. Prayers for her family. 

[mizjay]

So his pattern is to place a body in water.

A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

The sheriff indicated the shallow grave was more like coverings (leaves/brush/sticks) don't know if he used a shovel or anything, not confirmed.  It is amazing how close it is to the trail, how very close to houses......why was he muddy Sunday...did he go back to check..?

Could be that he dumped and then went back to cover, ugh or worse there is another victim

Somehow I think it would be highly UNlikely that there isn't another body somewhere, there's a lot of lakes he has been near in the last few years

[Cappuccino]

My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.

[Adam In California]

I just sent this to John and Ken at KFI in LA - Jerry Brown needs to answer some questions

Jerry Brown announced today that he will run again for Governor of California

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/jerry-brown-announces-he-will.html?wprss=44

He currently serves as Attorney General of California.

As Attorney General, he is responsible for the State's Bureau of
Forensic Services which operates the State's DNA database - a database
created and funded by voter initiative Proposition 69.

On December 27, 2009 a female jogger was assaulted in the same park
where Chelsea King's body was just recovered.  According to NBC in Los
Angeles and The San Diego Union Tribune, DNA of the assailant was
recovered at the time of crime via swabbing of blood left on the
victim's elbow.    The same reports state that law enforcement has now
forensically linked that assault to John Albert Gardner III, a
previously convicted sex offender who is being held as the lone
suspect in the rape and murder of Chelsea King.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/

The DNA database that Jerry Brown administers exists for the purpose
of matching DNA found at crime scenes to known felons.

Had the DNA sample recovered on December 27th been processed in a
timely manner, John Albert Gardner III would have been in jail
awaiting trial on February 25th, 2010 instead of hunting down, raping,
murdering and then disposing of Chelsea King.

As the chief Law Enforcement Officer for the State of California
operating a voter mandated database that collected in 2008 twice as
many dollars in funding than the agency spent on the database, he
should have to answer why samples have a 2 month backlog for
processing.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/2008DNAFundReport.pdf
http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/Monthly.pdf

Why weren't collected funds spent on eliminating the backlog?  Why
wasn't a prioritization scheme in place to get DNA samples from
violent attacks higher priority in processing?

The same database was used to implicate John Albert Gardner III from
the DNA found on Chelsea's underwear and was processed in a matter of
hours.

This is a scandal.  A complete breakdown in governance.  Californians
are willing to pay for public safety.  Prop 69 funds get collected yet
only half get spent and there is a backlog 5 years after the
initiative was passed.

Jerry Brown wants to Governor?  On the basis that he is even a mildly
competent Attorney General?

He should have to defend his management of the BFS and his
administration of the Prop 69 DNA database.

[mizjay]

My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.

Agree with ya.   I think they should check Lake Elsinore area abductions/ sex crimes  too.

[Live*Learn*Love]

My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.

Agree with ya.   I think they should check Lake Elsinore area abductions/ sex crimes  too.

They need to check all areas. Who knows, maybe is biological dad lives in Washington and he is responsible for the Lindsey Baum case. They need to know everywhere he lived, travel and had family.

[mizjay]

My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.

Agree with ya.   I think they should check Lake Elsinore area abductions/ sex crimes  too.

They need to check all areas. Who knows, maybe is biological dad lives in Washington and he is responsible for the Lindsey Baum case. They need to know everywhere he lived, travel and had family.

So true!

[Northern Rose]

A - Chelsea's car
B - ??
C - Restaurant JAG Arrested at
D- ??
E - Mom and Stepdad's house
X - Chelsea found

http://www.sandiego6.com/Map.aspx?content_id=29c032cd-f4aa-415d-b27f-bf2dadb7c7be&map=6e60c982-c612-40a9-8784-fa72b80e0d68

[Tracygirl]

Yesterday I posted a few of the missing persons that happened recently. There was a lot of activity in January. I think there 4 or 5 girls went missing in the riverside and san diego area? To me it seemed like a lot.
The sheriff did say yesterday as well they were going back 18 months and revisiting old cases. Of course this needs to be done in all counties and area's. I hope the FBI is in on this.
I do not have a good feeling about Amber, I hate to say that.

[Adam In California]

Jerry Brown boasted in 2008 about "eliminating" the DNA backlog.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-05-06/bay-area/17154912_1_dna-database-samples-cold-cases

"This tool is used frequently," he said. Brown, a former mayor of Oakland, said the Hans Reiser murder trial there and the identification of a suspect in the rape of an elderly woman are examples of how DNA will continue to be used to solve crimes.

The lab's expansion was necessary because voters passed Proposition 69 in 2004. The initiative required that all convicted felons submit a DNA sample, which created a huge backlog. The state has largely reduced the backlog, Brown said Monday. "There was a backlog," he added jokingly, "but that was before I was elected."

The backlog is about 84 days.  http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/Monthly.pdf

Gardner assaulted the first jogger in RB on Dec 27, 2009. That is 61 days before Chelsea was assaulted.

 "There was a backlog," he added jokingly, "but that was before I was elected."

[Live*Learn*Love]

A - Chelsea's car
B - ??
C - Restaurant JAG Arrested at
D- ??
E - Mom and Stepdad's house
X - Chelsea found

http://www.sandiego6.com/Map.aspx?content_id=29c032cd-f4aa-415d-b27f-bf2dadb7c7be&map=6e60c982-c612-40a9-8784-fa72b80e0d68

Isn't B the jogger attack