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« on: January 12, 2007, 01:49:05 PM »

Please post all information we think should be forwarded to Peter de Vries in this thread.

Here is a link to his website:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2007, 10:59:37 AM »

I don't want to shift Mr. de Vries' focus from the Natalee Holloway case. However, there is a precedent of "trashing the victim/victim's family" and that is the case of Max DeVries.

The following is basic information. I am sure some of our Monkeys can round up some of the shameful comments that "the dark side" has posted about Mrs. DeVries.

http://www.maxtothemillions.com/page2.html (emphasais added) --
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Max to the Millions Story

"Max to the Millions" has been created in hopes that Dominique (Max's sister, age 12) will remember her father and brother.  Dominique's Dad died of a heart attack two days before her parent's 13th wedding anniversary.  Max died 18 months after his father died.  He died in Aruba.  We went there to celebrate our strength.  The school year was ending and we made it!

Max went out on a jet ski and was lost at sea.  Our family found so much comfort and laughter by the water.  Now there is much sadness.  Max died at sea on May 12, 2004.  He was 14 years old.

Death is so lonely and sad for those left behind.  It's private and public at the same time.  People try to be there, but most stay away.  They want to help out but don't know how.  It's hard and difficult not only for us, but for all who knew George and Max.

Maybe I'm trying to hold on to a memory.  Maybe I'm trying to parent my dead child just a little longer.  Maybe I'm lost and trying to find my way without drowning myself.  The true reason I'm doing this is to help Dominique.  It gives not only Dominique and myself a chance to heal, it also gives friends and family and chance to do the same.  We want to give and to remember while someone else receives a gift of love.  The money raised will be gifted to premature babies.  We will gift in the form of money to someone new each year at Max's birthday. Dominique was born a premature baby.  She would like to help someone just like herself.

When George died it was so very hard for friends, co-workers and family to talk about him.  It was difficult for people to know how to reach out to us.  Most would look at us and see our outward smile, not our broken hearts.  That's all we would allow others to see.  Many fumble and say things like "you look like you're doing so well".  Don't judge a book by its cover.  I feel we deserve an acting award.

Death is sad, lonely, private and so painful.  It's something we will face sooner or later.  Then, only then, will you have a hint of understanding.  You can't run or hide, that's why most are so afraid.  They know that they will someday lose someone they love and hold dear.

I wish for you and for us, self-strength and self-confidence to push forward to love and to live the life we were gifted.  Remember and appreciate all that you have.  Enjoy your life and those around you.  That will truly be your treasure to hold and guide you until you meet again.

That's why in George's and Max's memory I do this.  I need Dominique to know that it's important for her to remember and talk of her father and brother in a warm and loving way when others stop talking and remembering. That's what our family was all about - giving to others while loving and enjoying each other!

With angels watching over us and friends by our side, we are blessed.
   

Also from the “Max to the Millions” web site:
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Please send tax deductible donations to:
Checks Made Out to: Uof M Mott Children's/Holden NNICU
Check Memo Line Include: Max to the Millions
Address: 301 East Liberty , Suite 300
                 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2251
                 Attn: Tammi Carr, Development Officer


Note: The address Suite Number has changed; the office has moved. It is now Suite 400.

The foundation information was verified by Kat_Gram 01/11/2007 (emphasis added):

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I called the U of M. 1-734-647-6000
They thought I wanted to make a donation.
Well, becasue I told them that I had seen the website and wanted to know if the information posted was still current.
I was transfered directly to Ms. Tammi Carr.
YES, it is a viable foundation.
They do get cheques in from the family. Every few months after they have an event. YES, money has been raised and it does go to the Neo Natal Care unit as posted above.
Ms. Carr is very grateful for the donations received in Max's name.
They are now in Suite 400 as they moved.

Max's mumma's name Yvonne and they live in Brighton. ( from another website )


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SunFreak2 posted this article about Max and Yevonne DeVries on the M&C thread, Page 6. The article was done AFTER Natalee disappeared (05/31/2005, early a.m.). Note that the spelling of the name is not consistent in this article; per the web site, "DeVries" is correct:

http://tinyurl.com/ygb6a8 (emphasis added) --

On November 14, 2005 DETROIT, MICHIGAN TV channel 7 “WXYZ” reported:

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Michigan Teen Missing in Aruba
For two months 7 Action News has been investigating the disappearance of boy from Brighton.

Now the FBI is getting involved to find out what happened to a young teen on the island of Aruba.

Police in Aruba say Max Devrees’ disappearance was just an accident. But Action News has learned the FBI is now stepping in to investigate this case because it might be much more than just an innocent mystery in Aruba.

The inviting ocean and sandy beaches of Aruba have proven dangerous for an American more than once recently.

The world knows about Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in southern Aruba.

But another young teenager, from Brighton, Michigan also vanished without a trace in Aruba. His name was Max Devrees.

Yvonne Devries took 14-year-old Max and his younger sister to Aruba in May of 2004. She wanted them to spend some healing family time together following the death of her husband.

"I want to find out if this was truly an accident. Was my son set up to be taken in Aruba? Was I followed and stalked and my son purposely targeted? We went there as basically a memorial service, privately for the family, in honor of their dad," said Yvonne.

At their hotel the Devrees family ended up hanging out with another hotel guest. He was a fellow American, 56-year-old David Stacey Sr.

Stacey offered to pay for Max to rent a wave runner so they could go out on the water together.

"Max was jumping up and down, really excited, let me go, let me go. And I did," said Yvonne.

That was the last time she would see her son.

"They didn’t come back in 45 minutes. They didn’t come back in an hour. Pretty much immediately, I had that sinking feeling something was wrong," explained Yvonne.

The police launched a massive ocean search. After several hours they rescued Stacey about four miles off the coast, but Max was never found.

According to Aruba police reports obtained by Action News, Stacey told police Max’s wave runner stopped working. He said he tried to tow Max’s watercraft, but that stranded both machines.

Back on land Stacey told police Max somehow slipped away. But Stacey’s story seems to change, depending on who he spoke to.

In one police interview, Stacey said, "Max started swimming towards shore."

But Yvonne said he told her something entirely different, "He said, 'I heard a thump and Max was floating away.' I said, 'was he hurt?' 'Well, I don't know, that was our said agreement between the two of us, to save our energy.' 'What do you mean an agreement?' If it was your son, floating away, you would yell out to him, are you okay?"

But in his first interview with police, Stacey told detectives he didn’t have an agreement with Max.

Stacy also told police, "I do not remember if I called [out to] Max. I don’t think I did."

But in another statement 2 days later, Stacey said, "I called out to [Max], but he did not answer."

Corey Williams is a Michigan detective who is helping Yvonne learn the truth about what happened to Max.

He said the statements to the police don’t add up, "The minute I started reading, I started seeing what I would describe as glaring inconsistencies."

Williams is also concerned about how quickly the Aruban police closed out the case without digging further into Stacey’s background.

"It appears to me that there could possibly be foul play involved. It definitely appears to me that there needs to be more investigation done," said Williams.

In the Aruban police reports, David Stacey Sr. told detectives that he did not kill or do anything to hurt Max.

As for the Aruba police, they have not returned our phone calls to tell us why they closed their case so quickly.

Yvonne wants someone to find out how and why her son vanished, "Whatever you hold dear to you, just make sure you really realize what you do have, make sure you treasure it everyday, because when you wake up, you don’t know if that’s going to be your last day with them."


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And here is some recent information about "Max to the Millions".

Florida posted 01/11/2007:

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http://surelutions.com/jeannie/about.htm

Photo of Yvonne DeVries & Jeannie Seitz from Brighton, MI.
Both accept donations through the hospital & personally.


msmarple did a followup to that post:
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I think Mrs. DeVries is the one on the left. Jeannie Seitz (left) is a cancer patient who was a beneficiary in Spring 2006 of "Max to the Millions." This is from Ms. Seitz's web site.

The person in the middle was identified by name but I am not sure of her role/position.

I emphasize that that was LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. Per the web site, the Max to the Millions fund always does something in April, which was Max's birthday.

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From "the dark side" I have seen some combination of the following comments:

* Max's disappearance was an insurance scam.
* The Foundation Mrs. DeVries started is a fraud.
* Max & his family are living large in S America, usually Brazil.
* (I *think* I have seen that) Max was SOLD.
* The FBI investigated the family.
* "They" had to bring Max back from <wherever> to avoid prosecution.

We should try to post a few samples from scubajap et al. So Mr. Peter de Vries doesn't think we're making this up.

I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect that disgusting spin machine went into gear after Mrs. DeVries hired the investigator and/or after the FBI made inquiries about David Stacey. This is amoral.

And I don't know what, if anything, the PI or FBI found.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2007, 12:45:37 PM »

Here's something posted on the Aruba Bulleting Board at VisitAruba.com. Notice the date - but still the rumors persist. Emphasis added.

tdzmm Monday, August 1st, 2005 10:48 AM

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March 2005 story on the Michigan boy, Max DeVries, who was in the jet ski incident!

I found this story online. It's a far cry from the boy being alive and well.


http://www.payitforwardmovement.com/media/march05.htm

'Pay it forward' allays tragedy

Mother, daughter raise funds for Mott, family in memory of late husband and son

Saturday, March 05, 2005
BY JO COLLINS MATHIS
News Staff Reporter

Last May, Yvonne DeVries of Brighton decided to take her children Max, 14, and Dominique, 12, to Aruba to celebrate the fact that they were still a family and a strong one.

Eighteen months earlier, her husband George had died of a heart attack at the age of 51. And while they still grieved, they had survived.

"We started getting back on track," said DeVries, whose husband died two days before their 13th wedding anniversary. "The kids both did really good in school. ... It was about our strength and remembering their dad. We liked the water a lot. We had a sailboat and spent a lot of time by the water and found a lot of peace and comfort there."

But the vacation that was to have been a celebration would end in tragedy.

Max, an eighth-grader at Scranton Middle School in Brighton, was swept out to sea while jet skiing with another tourist. His body was never found.

DeVries knew that in order to get through her fresh grief, she needed to focus on something positive. She and her daughter, now a seventh-grader at Scranton, discussed several ideas for helping others through a program they would call "Max to the Millions."

Dominique, who turned 13 on Tuesday, had been born two months premature, and decided she wanted to raise money for premature babies.

In the last few months, she and her mother and a lot of supporters held six fund-raisers in Brighton, including a battle of the bands and auctions.

They raised $15,000 for the C.S. Mott Children's Hospital's Holden Neonatal Intensive Care Unit and decided that they would give $1,000 to the premie born closest to Dominique's March 1 birthday.

That's why mother and daughter were at Mott Children's Hospital Friday, turning tragedy into a "pay it forward" plan to help others. The DeVrieses gave $1,000 to Pete and Sara Knoester of Dexter, who welcomed twin boys a month early on Monday.

Pete Knoester, 25, is a third-year medical student at the U-M Medical School. He said he and his wife were thrilled to receive the $1,000.

"We were just blown right off our feet," he said, as the DeVrieses met the babies in their incubators. "It's an answer to prayer."

The Knoesters had just been at the financial aid office the day before they got the news, looking into more student loans to finance the next few years. Sara Knoester, 26, had been a recreation therapist for Washtenaw County until recently, but will stay home with the twins for the rest of the year, with plans to return on a part-time basis.

About half the $15,000 Max to the Millions raised went to the Holden Gift Fund for new programs for families and the other half for research/education.

"This is a tremendous thing for lots of different reasons," said Dr. Steven Donn, a neonatologist and director of Mott's division of neonatal/perinatal medicine. "It's nice to see a family who wants to give back."

The changes in neonatal medicine have been phenomenal since Dominique was born just 13 years ago, Donn said, in part due to research supported by fund-raisers and other programs such as Max to the Millions.

Starting in January and for the rest of the year, the money from Max to the Millions will support a weekly "Scrapbooks & Sandwiches" program in which parents are invited to a conference room for free sandwiches, scrapbooks and scrapbook supplies to use for their new families.

"I can't tell you enough how everyone loves it," clinical nurse supervisor Corrie Osgood told the DeVrieses.

In a teary exchange of gifts and sentiment, the DeVrieses asked the Knoesters to suggest who they should give $1,000 to next year on April 18, which was Max's birthday.

When Sara Knoester said her heart goes out to children with special needs, DeVries promised that Dominique would try to find someone who would meet that description from a low-income family. Max to the Millions will hold at least one fund-raiser for the next several years, giving another $1,000 each April 18.

"What we're doing with the fund-raiser is trying to balance the scales of justice a little bit by doing something good to remember Max and George by," said DeVries. "It's helped a lot in the healing process."

"I'm just happy we could have a chance to do something like this," said the soft-spoken Dominique, who arrived at the hospital with blankets she had made for the twins and so many other gifts that Sara Knoester said it was like another baby shower.

The two families exchanged addresses and promised to keep in touch with occasional pictures of the twins.

DeVries said she and Dominique had been waiting for many weeks for March 1, to see who would get the check. When twins were announced, Dominique quickly made another blanket and she and her mother bought more gifts.

DeVries said it was appropriate that the baby turned out to be two little boys.

"It seemed almost like there was one for each of them," she said, referring to her husband and son.

DeVries recalled how Max had tried to take over the role of man of the house after his father died.

"He'd mow the lawn that took three hours to do and never complain," she said, noting that he said it made him feel closer to his father. "They were two peas in a pod. They ended up being the best little buddies. It was sad enough to lose your husband, but when you end up also losing your little boy ..."

Asked how her husband and son would feel about Max to the Millions, Yvonne said: "I think they'd both have big toothy smiles. I think George would say, 'I knew you had it in you.' And Max would be a little overwhelmed that we did that for him."
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2007, 01:20:02 PM »

Meant to mention in my first posts about Max DeVries:

Many Americans do not have life insurance to speak of on their children. Most companies that provide this as an employee benefit offer a plan of about $5,000 or maybe $10,000 for a dependent's life insurance. Further, if there is no body - as in the case of Max DeVries - a period of time, and elaborate court/legal procedure, must be followed before the person can be declared legally dead. Also, Insurance Companies do investigate, on their own, any suspicious deaths.

Onward. Here is a sampling of posts at various sites about Max DeVries.

I'm sorry - I failed to copy the link to the board had this first one. Notice that the story is attributed to Amigoe.com; however the link no longer works. (I am sure the newspapers et al archive at a certain point.   Emphasis added.)

Posted by: Sunny  at July 14, 2005 11:21 AM
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Is there a connection between Natalee and the Max De Vries case?

A 14-year-old boy was "lost at sea" in Aruba a year ago. No body was recovered. Amigoe.com now reports that there was a siting of the boy in Brazil.

http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/amigoecom-max-de-vries-alive-in-brazil.html {this link no longer works; probably archived}

"The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information."

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I do not know, but there is a group of locals who have stated that they found new evidence of the week before the disappearance. They call themselves Team Investigativo Priva (TIP).

This TIP group of people are indicating that they are out to proof that Natalee's case is similar to Max Devries's. Max has been found living with friends in Brazil. Max's mother has apparently been arrested by the FBI.

There is also a possibility of a slander case against Tim Miller since he said he would make Paulus van der Sloot’s life impossible.
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Here is all I can find Max de Vries via Google besides things written in blogs. I don't know the date it was written. What somewhat wrote in here the other night was that Max was found in Brazil, the family friend (no step-father) was arrested.

Because this news story below is attributed to the Aruba Polis and gives no information about what insurance company could have been involved,
I presume Max is still a missing person. I try very hard on this board not to repeat rumors, make outrageous statements, or to insult anyone...
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Insurance company in the US asks the police for information on Max de Vries

ARUBA – The police is still not sure whether the American Max de Vries is still alive. According to chief of police Gerold Dompig, the police have only heard that there are rumours going round. “District Noord is busy investigating the rumours via official channels.” He means the American FBI and Interpol.

Dompig denies the fact that he had gone to La Cabana Hotel with the developments of the case. “They have come to us. They have found information on the Internet and informed us. We are now busy investigating the information they found on the Internet.”

La Cabana’s story is different though. The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. Dompig didn’t want to say the name of the insurance company. “That is not in the interest of the investigation.” On the question of why the police is cooperating with the request of an American insurance company, Dompig answered that “Aruba would like to close the case of Max de Vries. That’s why we have to investigate new information.” Max de Vries disappeared over a year ago after an accident with a jet ski during a vacation in Aruba.

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I'll look for some links later, but my recollection is that it turned out that Max is alive and well and he and his supposedly dead father are living in South America.

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2007, 01:26:30 PM »

The following is an article which appeared in the Aruban newspaper Diario in October, 2005.  I include this in the information on Max DeVries because it once again illustrates the accusations leveled by Aruban Officials and members of Law Enforcement against the family members of victims of crime or possibly in the case of Max DeVries accidental drowning.

The insurance industry maintains one of the best data banks in the country, very similar to that of banking, on all policies written and paid.  There is no way to keep such a thing a secret from law enforcement or even the Insurance Underwriters.

Dompig seems to have very little understanding of a Trust Fund and how one works.  He seems to think that instead of Trust Officers controlling the modest amount of funds, it is some how at the arbitrary discretion of Beth Twitty.  It is also highly unlikely that money raised by selling bracelets, holding community cookouts or even the celebrity auction would ever result in all these "millions of dollars" of which he speaks with such certainty.  Jug Twitty has offered to show the charges most of which ended up on his personal credit cards for the majority of their stay in Aruba.  Only a discount on the room they used was given for the most part.

It is possible that the idea to spin this as an insurance scam by Beth Twitty came as a result of the success experienced by having done so previously with Max DeVries disappearance.  One local reporter and photographer in Aruba actually claimed that the Aruban government had sued the DeVries family and won in a court of law because they did this.  Nothing could be farther from the truth and Max's whereabouts remain a mystery until this day.

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Beth Twitty has to come give a declaration once more and explain what is happening with the emergency fund of millions of dollars, according to Dompig
DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005


ORANJESTAD(AAN): During an interview with Police Commissioner Dompig, he explained that the investigative team has invited Natalee Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty to tell police more about the last contact she had with her daughter.

Dompig indicated that the mother has made her intention to boycott Aruba, while Natalee’s father has cooperated very well with the investigation.

The commissioner says that it is very lamentable that the mother prefers to have contact with police only through her lawyer or American ‘talkshows’.

He also explains that he fully denies to go on any talkshow to answer questions along with the mother.

In this way, the investigative team has invited Beth Twitty to come back to Aruba, to take her declaration again, seeing that there have been rumours around it, in which it was said that police in Aruba changed her declaration.

The investigative team also has different questions for the mother, about certain things surrounding this case, among others what is happening with the emergency fund that is available to them for this case.

The commissioner said that perhaps it’s difficult to ask certain questions, but they don’t have to lie to each other.

The case here is the mother's attacks on Aruba ending, so we are not afraid to ask certain questions.

Dompig indicated that he will ask the mother, what she did with the money that many people contributed with her, putting millions of dollars in a so-called ‘emergency fund’.

Another questions is: “ why doesn’t Natalee’s father have access to this money, when he has to ask for discounts here, like for example for his travel ticket”?

This is all he wants explained on the part of the mother of Natalee Holloway, because it’s part of the investigation. DIARIO asked Dompig if he has found any valuable tips.

The commissioner explains that every tip is assigned a number and if the tip results in being very good, the person can earn a reward, however the fund Dompig speaks of is a fund from people around the world, especially America, who have contributed with much money to help the family with expenses related to the case, that has now reached some million dollars.

According to Dompig, another important question is how this money is not used to help with payments of, for example, those who come to conduct searches in Aruba.

Commissioner Dompig showed as an example the tremendous work of Fred Golba made with his two dogs some time ago and explains that Golba wants to come back to continue searching.

Given that he is looking for funds to pay for his ticket and stay in Aruba to come search, how can he not find funds from the millions that Beth Twitty has from the fund?

This is also a very important part of the investigation. This because a case such as Natalee’s has different scenarios. One scenario is that a person killed Natalee, or for whatever reason she is no longer living.

Another scenario is that she is alive, but everything in the case is a ‘set up’, to profit in one way or another.

One possibility for example is that they said she is deceased, and they can collect the life insurance money, while in reality she is not deceased, but another way is that with collecting funds from people with good intentions that send money for the fund and the family enriches themselves.
If the mother gives information about how much money there is and how much money she is spending, he has no problem with this. However, if the mother has everything secret, this becomes part of the investigation because it puts the case in a different light.

DIARIO indicated that the more the mother appears on the programs, perhaps more money she finds for the fund. Dompig explains that the Task Force of Aruba, along with the government gave him the OK for him to go on the American live programs, but via telephone, for him to give the other side of the coin to what has happened and is happening with this case.

He explains that this has caused them to achieve a lot, seeing that America has said that at last Aruba is giving information, where they have started to look in another direction, to check other possibilities.

One of the possibilities for example, is that the three suspects are not guilty, or that they’re not the only guilty ones. Dompig explains that he is actually doing everything he can to find via the FBI the information that is missing about the group from America, more detailed declarations, so that they can exclude certain possibilities.

In no moment has Aruban police had a chance to exclude the group from Alabama in the investigation, because they left Aruba.

According to Commissioner Dompig he still has different important questions for the group, among others how they went to the airport if Natalee did not appear, and how they didn’t sound the alarm earlier than when they left, of those who where staying in the room with her.

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 01:38:38 PM »

Bleachedblack posted this post by Scubajap:

Interesting, nothing more to be implied by my posting it here;



Re: the Max De Vries story-
This broke just around the time the brothers were released from jail, and had people thinking along different lines.
Max de Vries was not alone when he went out on a jet ski, he was with a family friend David Stacy, 56. Max's father had died 14 months before, and it could have been Mom's boyfriend, but I think that was kind of quick, so I don't know.
David Stacy reported that Max's jet ski stalled, and when he went to help Max, his stalled too.
David then claimed the jet ski's capsized and the two hung on. Max eventually tired, fell away and drifted off. Search and Rescue found David Stacy hanging on to the Jet skis I don't know how many hours later. Max could not be found.
Now supposedly, but this is rumor as far as I have been able to see, I haven't found anything to confirm it on the net anywhere,
David was arrested in the states on suspicion of murder because there was a very big life insurance policy on Max. Then it turns out that they brought the boy out of hiding in Brazil because it was all an insurance scam.
I was told by someone that they saw it being reported on CNN, I have not been able to find any reference to it anywhere, but maybe some of you have more time and experience with that.
This got a few people here thinking, but the police tell me there are no big insurance policies on Natalee.

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 01:48:47 PM »

Thanks Anna, klaas, bleachedblack ...
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2007, 02:59:43 PM »

From the Comments Section of the July 14, 2005 edition of Hyscience.


Is there a connection between Natalee and the Max De Vries case?

A 14-year-old boy was "lost at sea" in Aruba a year ago. No body was recovered. Amigoe.com now reports that there was a siting of the boy in Brazil.

http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/amigoecom-max-de-vries-alive-in-brazil.html

" The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. "



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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2007, 03:02:32 PM »

And thank you, MsMarple, for getting the ball rolling on these things we want to sent to Peter DeVries as background information.

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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 03:05:10 PM »

My post @ 1:59 P.M. appears to be a repeat of one previously cited, however I have included a linkl to the original site that was missing previously.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 07:07:54 PM »

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My post @ 1:59 P.M. appears to be a repeat of one previously cited, however I have included a linkl to the original site that was missing previously.

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Anna - Yes, that's it exactly. I though it was hyscience but not sure. And had been to too many sites to try to retrace my steps ...  Confused
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2007, 08:04:44 PM »

Anna sent a page from the old Rhiel World View (rwv) site to me via email. It apparently is a screen shot. Of course RWV isn't "there" anymore; none of the links I've tried produce a page.

The page was dated August 1, 2005. Dan's Editorial for the day begins with the sentence, "Seems I've taken some heat as regards my post on Tim Miller."

"Michigan Mom" posted a comment about Max DeVries. Note the responses.

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http://www.maxtothemillions.com/index.html

This young man was lost in Aruba in the spring of 2004. The mother still has no clear answer as to what happened to Max. No death certificate, no police report, and no help from the US or Aruban government. He went out on a jet ski with someone from the hotel that they were at, and never came back. Lost at sea.

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Michigan mom, excuse me if I am wrong, but is this not the kid who went out to sea on a jetski with his stepdad and drowned"", where later in the US the stepdad got arrested because he had a hand in the kids death? For insurance money?? I strongly believe this is that case....

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Yep dolores,but the kid isnt dead,they found him in sout america 2 months ago,family are involved...

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Max and all his family make us look as idiots. He's a live. And the whole story that they make was for money.

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2007, 08:19:40 PM »

Would like to mention that there was no stepdad or boyfriend. At home, or on the trip. Her deceased husband definitely is ... deceased.

Mrs. DeVries lost her husband and her son within 14 months. She is still Mrs. DeVries.

Max disappeared at sea April 2004.
Natalee was last seen leaving C&C's May 2005.
The Amigoe article came out July 2005.

I repeat - I *think* that this "spin" was set off either when Mrs. DeVries hired the private investigator, or the FBI started making inquiries, and Aruba became aware of one or both of those investigations. Just my opinion.

But for whatever reason, it all begs the question, "Why?" -- Why does Aruba need to trash these people?
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2007, 09:53:30 PM »

MsMarple,
RWV blog is still there and the forum part requires registration.  I am persona non grata, banned for life, lol, so can't register.

Link to Front Page at RWV:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2007, 09:58:05 PM »

And I have been told this is a link to the Inner Sanctom at RWV which is a mere shadow of its former self.  But it does have some archives if anyone is interested.  Not all the way back to the disappearance but part of the way.

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 02:09:19 AM »

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Here is a link to a PDF on the date rape drug GHB.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/ntlc_ghb.pdf

It is a very comprehensive study and the basic summary is that GHB is the same chemical compound as a large number of cleaning fluids and solvents almost exactly.

Why would I like Mr. DeVries to have this information?  Because the parents of Natalee Holloway has stated that what was called blood by the FBI and even the Prime Minister of Aruba later was ruled as cleaning fluid.

Is this a link to whether or not Natalee was in fact drugged or not?  The official report has never been released as far as I know but that is what the Aruban Prosecutor told Beth and Jug Twitty was found in the car belonging to Deepak Kalpoe.

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 02:11:24 AM »

Here is the first of two transcripts in which Jus Twitty discusses Karin Janssen stating that it was cleaning fluid in the car.

NANCY GRACE

Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway

Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, part two of an exclusive primetime post- release interview. Is there a cover-up in Aruba? Why were documents altered, evidence ignored? Tonight: The mystery surrounding 18-year-old Natalee Holloway`s disappearance only deepens as her mother and stepdad take on the Aruba government.
And tonight: Crime intrudes in one of the wealthiest areas of the world. The brutal wine country murders head to court.

Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight.

Tonight: Napa Valley is one of the single wealthiest neighborhoods in the entire world, but even it is not immune to crime. The wine country double murder involving two 26-year-old roommates could be cracked with a suspect no one ever suspected.

But first tonight: It has been four torturous months since Natalee Holloway went missing, missing off the tiny island of Aruba from her senior class trip. All three lead suspects in the case -- judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot and his two buddies -- have all walked free. Tonight: Did Aruban authorities cover for the judge? Natalee`s parents are not giving up, and they are speaking out tonight from our studios here at Headline News.

First of all. for an update on the case, I want to go out to Jane Velez-Mitchell, investigative reporter. Jane, is there a cover-up? What`s the latest?

JANE-VELEZ-MITCHELL, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, I got to tell you, Nancy, the Aruban authorities insist they are still investigating this case. They swear they`re still interviewing witnesses, they are still conducting underwater dives, searching caves. But clearly, the drama has shifted from Aruba to Holland.

As you know, about a month ago, the chief suspect in Natalee`s Holloway`s disappearance, Joran Van Der Sloot, and his family left Aruba for Holland. Joran is now going to college there. Now, he may have thought he could leave the whole drama, the whole controversy behind and start a new life, but absolutely not. The controversy has followed him to Holland. So have the reporters. And the recent statements he gave to reporters have reignited outrage. Specifically, he seemed to blame Natalee Holloway for her own disappearance, implying that she was the aggressor, that she came on to him, that she wanted to drink and party.

And Natalee`s Holloway`s mom is absolutely outraged, pointing out that Joran Van Der Sloot has changed his story at least 20 times.

GRACE: Here in the studio with me, a very special guest. This is part two of an exclusive post-release interview. Natalee`s mother is not done with the search for Natalee Holloway. Beth, when you hear that dives are still ongoing, that the Aruban government is still looking for Natalee or trying at least to find out what happened, do you believe it?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MISSING GIRL`S MOTHER: Where was all this on June 1? Where was all this May 31, June 1, June 2, June 3, June 4?

GRACE: You know, when I hear that dives are taking place, I really don`t know whether to believe it or not.

Elizabeth, could you pull up -- there`s a shot of Natalee. We learned yesterday that she was so devoted, she practiced year long to try out on a dance team, very, very difficult to make. Obviously, she made it. But Elizabeth, can we pull up a map, a map of Aruba?

Jossy Mansur is with us, the editor of "El Diario" newspaper. Where are the dives taking place, Jossy?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "EL DIARIO": To the north of the lighthouse, Nancy. There is an underwater cave there. They want to search totally. They were busy with that when I left Aruba.

GRACE: Jossy, I want to believe you. You`ve always been correct in all of your facts. but the fact that the three lead suspects have been released makes me cast doubt on anything the government`s doing down there. Tell me, is Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot in his office as a judge now? Where is he?

MANSUR: He is not a judge. He is in Holland with his son. He is settling him down. In other words, he`s making sure he`s settled there for his studies. And his mother is still in Aruba. She`s teaching at the International School of Aruba at the refinery (ph).

GRACE: Well, just this past week in the American tabloids, a young lady spoke out of a night on the town with Joran Van Der Sloot. So apparently, he must need a 24-hour chaperone in order to stay out of trouble. In fact, take a listen to what Joran Van Der Sloot had to say in an interview just recently.

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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: I knew her for one night. I feel horrible that I even went out that night without my father knowing. I should have just stayed home and this wouldn`t have happened to me. It would happen to another person. I just try to look at it that I was at the wrong place at the wrong time, maybe even with the wrong people. And I just hope that the truth comes out, that this comes some clarity in the case.

JERRY WAGSCHAL, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" PRODUCER: But do you understand? I mean, how could a girl just disappear?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don`t know. I think that`s the million-dollar question.

WAGSCHAL: What would you do now?

VAN DER SLOOT: I would have just stayed home that night. I wouldn`t have even gone out. It was Natalee who asked me to go out with her. It was her that asked me to come to the club. And it was her that was yelling at me to go dance with her, and I said -- and I went to go drink something with my friends.

WAGSCHAL: Are you that irresistible? I mean, is that what...

VAN DER SLOOT: No. I don`t know. That`s not -- that`s absolutely not what it`s about. I don`t know. When her parents showed up at my door with her picture, I didn`t even know who Natalee Holloway was. I didn`t even know her name.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, you know what? That is contrary to everything he told police and what he told Natalee`s parents.

Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother. Now, when you went to Aruba, you were telling us last night, you got there as quickly as possible. You learned Natalee was missing in the afternoon. You were on a 6:00 PM flight. You got there at around 11:00 PM. And by 3:00 AM-ish you single-handedly, with the help of your Jug, your husband, had found Joran Van Der Sloot, who was still out partying that night around 3:00 o`clock in the morning. And at that time, he spoke to you. He talked to you about Natalee. But here he`s saying he even didn`t know who Natalee was. He didn`t even know her name.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know. I mean, it`s just so typical of Joran. I mean, every time I hear that interview, I -- it just jumps out at me how everything is Natalee`s fault. It`s Natalee`s fault for everything, that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well, Natalee was in the wrong place at the -- I mean, it`s just always her fault.

GRACE: Was evidence covered up? Take a listen to Joran Van Der Sloot, chief suspect.

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VAN DER SLOOT: She had a lot to drink at Carlos and Charlie`s. She grabbed my hand and took me with her for me to take jelly shots off her. And afterwards, she asked me to buy a shot for her, buy her something to drink, which I did. And that`s all I saw that she drank. I didn`t see her drink anything else.

But from the day -- from the earlier, when I was with her friends at the Excelsior casino at the Holiday Inn, the whole group was already drinking from 5:00 in the afternoon. And I didn`t really see her at that moment. I didn`t even really notice her at that moment. But I guess they came here to have a good time, to celebrate their graduation also, and they might have all gone a little too far. I don`t know.

WAGSCHAL: What do you mean jelly shots with her? You mean off of her body?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

WAGSCHAL: How does that work? Can you tell me?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don`t know. I never did it myself before. She grabbed my hand and took me with her and asked me if I wanted to take jelly shots off her.

WAGSCHAL: And how does it work? I don`t understand.

VAN DER SLOOT: And she climbed on the bar. She laid down on the bar and she called over the bartender by name, and he got a jelly shot for her and then I took a jelly shot off her.

WAGSCHAL: I don`t understand. Is it on her belly? Is it on...

VAN DER SLOOT: On her belly, yes.

WAGSCHAL: On her belly button.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

WAGSCHAL: And then what do you do?

VAN DER SLOOT: And then you basically lick it off.

WAGSCHAL: How do you leave a girl on the beach?

VAN DER SLOOT: Well, I told her I had to go home. I had school the next day. And I thought maybe she`d understand. She told me, no, she wanted me to stay there with her because the next day, she was leaving and she wanted to stay there the whole night. I told her, no, I had to go. I even lifted her up to carry her back to her hotel, and she told me to put her down. I left her there. I sat down next to her, talked to her a while, and I called Deepak to ask him if he could come pick me up, which Deepak didn`t do, but...

WAGSCHAL: Was she angry?

VAN DER SLOOT: She wasn`t angry. If anything, she was probably more, you know, upset that I was leaving her there. And I don`t know what reaction she had. I don`t know.

At the time, I didn`t feel it was a bad idea. At the time, I really didn`t. It didn`t seem wrong. It didn`t seem -- of course, now I look back at it and I think [DELETED] I`m an [DELETED]. What did I do? But there`s nothing I can do about it now. If I could have that moment back, I would have made sure she got back to her hotel safely. But I can`t change that now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Man, how I would like to hook him up to a polygraph machine! Beth, you gave -- after meeting this young man around 3:00 AM that night, you gave a full statement to police. What happened?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, it was 48 hours later that I was able to give a full statement to the police.

GRACE: Why so long?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I don`t know, Nancy. I was sent away on May 31. I was told that I was not needed that day. So I was brought back in on June 1, and...

GRACE: The police told you they didn`t need you, after you flew in from America?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Correct. I was not needed on the 31st to give my statement. I went in June 1 approximately 10:00 AM and gave my statement. It was printed in Dutch. It was translated for me in English, and I signed it. The same day on June 1 at 10:00 PM, the same detective brought me two statements, one that I had signed...

GRACE: Now, wait a minute -- 10:00 PM? This is the day you give statements -- the day she gives statements to Aruban authorities, after being told to wait for 48 hours. You give a full statement. You sign it.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: At 10:00 PM, an investigator finds you where?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: In a restaurant.

GRACE: You`re out at restaurant.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: And they track you down to restaurant.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: And you are with?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I`m with Jug and about eight other family members that flew (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: So a lot of people witnessed this event.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: They come up to you in a restaurant and say?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I need you to sign this new statement. There was a change that had to have been made. Jug spoke with them. You know, Nancy, I was not able to make any type of decisions on what I was signing. I mean, something was presented before me. I`m looking for my daughter in a foreign country. What was I going to do?

GRACE: Was it in Dutch?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I had to go on good faith. Oh, yes. Absolutely.

GRACE: So after signing your statement once that afternoon, they seek you out at a restaurant...

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: ... and ask you to re-sign a statement written totally in Dutch?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: And Jug quizzed them, saying?

GRACE: What are the changes? The changes were only supposed to have been a date.

GRACE: And?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: We found out about three weeks later that that statement that I signed on June 10 is not my statement. We were given that statement by an Aruban attorney sometime during the month of July and finally had it translated, and it is not my original statement.

GRACE: What was left out, Beth?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: There were a lot of names that were left out, you know, just key elements as far as how Joran asked Jug and -- to leave the group before he admitted the sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee and -- and just a lot of things. You know, Paulus`s name -- I didn`t know anyone`s name. I didn`t know Charles Croes`s name, which is just ludicrous.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: And you knew all of that.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, absolutely.

GRACE: You`d been talking to people in their front yard at 3:00 AM.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely, I knew who they were.

GRACE: Now, how did you find out your statement to police had been altered by Aruban authorities?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: We had -- we received a copy of one of my statements, and it just so happened to have been the one that I re-signed or I signed on June 1 at 10:00 PM. And it was not my statement. We had it translated and...

GRACE: You know, another issue came up. I`m going to go out to Jug Twitty. He`s standing by in Birmingham, Alabama -- obviously, Beth`s husband, Natalee`s stepfather. Jug, was there a very detailed statement describing Natalee`s underwear?

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, MISSING GIRL`S STEPFATHER: Yes.

GRACE: What happened?

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

GRACE: And the reality is, how would Joran Van Der Sloot have known about embroidery and the design on her underwear if he hadn`t seen it? According to them, they were all in the back seat of the car. There had been no sex assault, nothing. How would he have known that?

Amidst claims of alterations of statements, changing the fact, hiding evidence, will we ever find out what happened to Natalee? We`ll all be right back.

But very quickly, to tonight`s "Case Alert." After three months of silence, missing groom George Smith`s family finally speaks out, calling for a law to protect cruise passengers from dangers at sea. A lawmaker from Smith`s home state of Connecticut demands Congress hold hearings on the cruise industry. Smith`s whereabouts still unknown.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Although we can never replace a person of his stature and character, we believe his legacy can be one that helps other families be spared of tragedies like ours.

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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Joran talks about how Natalee says a lot of strange things and very bizarre things. And he makes that comment twice before he says, also -- he states that she`s obviously drunk. And when I hear of her speaking of strange things and what she was saying, you know, that sounds like to me that`s not drunk, but it sounds like that could be drugged, and how she`s also falling asleep and waking up, in his statement.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. I`m Nancy Grace. And with me tonight, two very special guests that are vowing they will get justice for Natalee Holloway. Her mother, Beth, is with us, her stepfather, Jug.

And you know, we`ve seen Beth and Jug on TV a million times from Aruba, begging for help. But here in the studio with me, in our Headline News studios, is Beth. He just gave me some very disturbing news that I had never known before, after all the studying and analyzing we`ve done on the case.

Beth, you were just -- we were talking about the fact Joran Van Der Sloot, who swears now there was no sex between him and Natalee, gave a very detailed description of Natalee`s underwear, the embroidery on it and all that. But you just revealed a new fact to me I didn`t know.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, not only did he know specific details about her underclothing, but also just physical descriptions of her, so...

GRACE: Without her clothes on.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: I`ll put it as gently as I possibly can.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: You know, I want to go out very quickly to David Wohl, defense attorney. David, this is a guy that swears, on one hand, that he did not have sex with Natalee Holloway, which many people would have thought to be non-consensual, but yet has chosen to give police a description of her underwear and her private parts -- the girl`s private parts, all right?

DAVID WOHL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. You know, Nancy, I mean, if you believe that, then I`ve got a bridge in Arizona that`s up for sale. You know, I don`t buy it at all.

GRACE: Well, wait, wait, wait!

WOHL: I think...

GRACE: I`m past that. I`m onto why the Aruban government is covering -- covering up for this. Save me the breath! Of course I know he`s lying. But why is the Aruban government covering all this up?

WOHL: I don`t know. I think, basically -- I kind of agree with you, Nancy. I find it hard to believe that they`re aggressively pursuing this, like Natalee`s mom is. I think they`re on cruise control, and that`s why it is so crucial for Natalee`s mom to continue.

You know, we`re basically where we would be in the Peterson case, Laci Peterson, if her body and Conner`s body had not washed ashore. We need some forensic evidence. We`ve got to have some blood. We`ve got to have a murder weapon, perhaps. We`ve got to have something more than these statements that can be interpreted one way or the other. And I think we`ll get them because with this pursuit that Natalee`s mom is on, eventually, the evidence we need will turn up.

GRACE: Very quickly, to tonight`s "Case Alert." The search for the mother of 4-year-old abandoned Valery Lozada now centers on two Pennsylvania landfills. Monica Lozada`s live-in boyfriend, Cesar Ascarrunz (ph), allegedly tells police he strangled Monica during a heated argument, then tossed the young mother out with the trash. Monica`s 4-year-old daughter, Valery, survived. That`s the miracle. The little girl found on the streets of New York in the middle of the night in pajamas and barefoot.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know how you got lost, honey?

VALERY LOZADA, LOST 4-YEAR-OLD: I got lost when I was sleeping. He took me in the car and...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your daddy?

LOZADA: ... took me outside with no shoes. So I was crying. And some people find me, and they give me sweater and everything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Many legal eagles believe her, the little girl pointing the finger at Cesar.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Natalee Holloway worked year `round -- year `round! -- dedicated to making the dance team. Check it out. That is one determined little girl. Now, if we could just find out what has become of Natalee Holloway. As you know, she went missing on her high school senior trip. We are not letting go of the case! It ain`t over yet, according to her mother and stepfather, joining us live here in our Headline News studios.

Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee`s mom. I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car. Remember?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, absolutely.

GRACE: What happened?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

GRACE: Now, Ellie (ph), didn`t we find out later another statement was issued saying there wasn`t any blood?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. We had heard there was never any DNA evidence of any kind retrieved from the car.

GRACE: Or no blood period.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right, exactly.

GRACE: Completely -- now, you want to tell me, Jug, that the prime minister -- that would be just like Bush, getting on national TV and saying -- and making a statement of fact, and then us finding out it was absolutely false.

Another issue, aside from the prime minister cooking up that story, then retracting it, regarding Natalee, I`m concerned about this connection between the chief of police, the retired Van Straaten, and Paulus Van Der Sloot, the chief suspect`s father.

JUG TWITTY: Yes, there`s all kinds of rumors about -- you know, that he was Joran`s godfather and all the different -- you know, I don`t know if any of that`s true.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa!

JUG TWITTY: I know they were probably...

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GRACE: Wait, wait, wait! Oh!

JUG TWITTY: That was a rumor...

GRACE: Godfather?

JUG TWITTY: ... that was all over the island, so...

GRACE: Well, how can you find out if it`s true?

JUG TWITTY: I don`t know. I mean, I asked him point blank, and Van Der Straaten said no. But I`ll tell you, Nancy, the deal is there`s -- the reason there`s no evidence was because the people didn`t do the right thing in the beginning. And I want the prosecutor or somebody to step up and say, Look, we made a mistake. We didn`t arrest them the second day, like we should have. We let them go for nine days. We gave them a chance to clean the car. We gave them a chance to hide everything, to set up everything, to set up their stories, point the fingers at the two black security guards.

Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.

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GRACE: Of course, this is how we got to know Paulus Van Der Sloot, aka Judge Van Der Sloot, the best, his back side running from questions. And, of course, it was nothing new. That procedure continued throughout the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Welcome back everybody. I want to go straight out to the managing director of "El Diario" newspaper, Jossy Mansur. Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

GRACE: You know, I want to talk about the fact that with Van Der Stratten, the chief of police being so close to the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot, the chief suspect`s father, what affect that had on the initial stages of this case. Here in the studio with me Natalee`s mother Beth Twitty is with us.

Let`s take a look at what we perceive to be the top 10 bungles of the case. Elizabeth, if you could throw that up for me. Number 10, Joran Van Der Sloot says he`s a Dutch tourist visiting Aruba the night that he met Natalee. That`s a lie. Joran Van Der Sloot has lived in Aruba for years. In fact his father is a judge there.

Number nine, Van Der Sloot says he is 19 years old. Truth, he`s 17. Why lie except to get into casinos and bars.

Number eight, Van Der Sloot says he and the Kalpoes dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn the night she disappeared. That she stumbled, that she was drunk, that she bumped her head, then pointed the finger at two innocent black security guards. He said they came up to help her and walked away with her. That`s a lie. Those men have been cleared.

The three then identify the two black security guards. The truth, the story grows.

Six, D.J. on a party boat Steve Croes also identifies the two security guards. Truth? No. The story grows.

Prime minister says blood found in Deepak Kalpoe`s car. The truth, no blood ever found in the car after an official government statement.

Number four, the Kalpoes say they dropped Natalee and Joran Van Der Sloot off at the beach. Yet another version of the story. The truth, a local gardener identifies all three at a Racquet Club near the beach.

Number three, Van Der Sloot says he left Natalee asleep on the beach. Now he says she was awake when he left complaining that he was leaving.

Number two, Van Der Sloot told police everything, he says. The truth, he now says to this day he has not told the full story.

Now, finally, number one, Van Der Sloot says he and Natalee had sex at his house. Later he describes taking her to the beach. Truth? Nobody knows but Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

When you look back and this and so many other instances of bungling or outright manipulating the evidence, Beth, how do you feel?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Nancy, the sad part is that`s just half of it. I mean I was thinking of all the witnesses, the bogus sightings and the things that we`ve been on, and all these other persons of interest. I mean we`ve got people from -- with names from von rain (ph) and von loom (ph) and Freddy -- and what happened to all of them? And all of their alibis have been destroyed. I mean I think of Freddy and I think what happened to him? You know what has happened to all of these persons of interest...

GRACE: The fourth person arrested, right?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes.

GRACE: And another thing that I find very disturbing, Beth, is that his apartment where he now says he had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway is attached to -- is a part of Paulus Van Der Sloot, his father`s home. Did you ever ask was the home searched?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, yes, we asked. And in his statement he says he took her to his home. He doesn`t say his apartment. And I`m thinking I cannot believe that the primary residence was never searched. And the mother was out of the country for the day or for the night. So I`m just -- it`s just one more...

GRACE: You know, Jug, did you ever question the authorities as to why Paulus Van Der Sloot`s home had not been searched?

JUG TWITTY: Absolutely. I mean I asked -- with a meeting with the prosecutor did you search Paulus` home and she said no. And I said why? And she said because he wouldn`t let us. I`m going I can`t -- he was a suspect. They brought him in for -- held him for two days. I just don`t understand it. That`s what I`m talking about. Nothing was done right in the beginning on this thing, otherwise we`d have an answer.

GRACE: And to Alan Ripka, a veteran defense attorney. Alan, here in America it is called a cartilage (ph) search if you have a warrant or consent to search a home or an apartment, you can under the law search surrounding areas including tool houses, garages, the yard, whatever. And in this case that would have applied to Joran Van Der Sloot`s apartment.

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s correct, Nancy. In fact, certainly they should have searched every inch of it. And the fact that he did not allow them to is very telling because as you know when you have nothing to hide, why not let people in and let them look around because they are not going to find anything. And this is sort of circumstantial evidence of the fact that he has got a large responsibility in this and I`m sure they would have found something and that`s what he was nervous about.

GRACE: And I want to quickly go to psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall. Bethany, after watching all of Joran Van Der Sloot`s interviews on "A Current Affair" one of their producers tracked him down at the university. What do you make of his demeanor?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: I just think sociopath, sociopath, sociopath. I mean he has a derisive attitude towards the victim. He viewed Natalee as an object to be exploited. He had disregard for the rules of society. But the interesting thing about sociopaths is not only do they lack regard for others, but they are often unconcerned for their own safety.

And because of that, they tell very shabby, shallow lies. So I think the person who is going to crack this case wide open is Joran Van Der Sloot himself because over time, he`s going to forget -- once the pressure is off, he`s going to forget the consequences even more. He`s going to brag to somebody and the truth will come out.

GRACE: Let`s take a look, if we could, Elizabeth -- if you could put up his demeanor during that interview with "A Current Affair". You know it`s amazing to me and Alan Ripka just pointed out, Beth, that the judge refused to allow anyone to search his house and that Joran Van Der Sloot ultimately quit talking. The day after all of this happened, while you were out combing the island, they called a meeting, a meeting at the pool behind the judge`s house of lawyers, the Kalpoe family, Joran Van Der Sloot, his father, for what?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: What he was doing was helping the boys get their stories straight, Nancy. He was instructing the boys how to get your story straight. If all stories match, in 10 days you will be free.

GRACE: And what about the hard drive?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well he also told the guys once they got their stories straight to begin e-mailing this and then use your hard drive to nail an alibi.

GRACE: And not to use your cell phone.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Cell phones would be bugged.

GRACE: Incredible while you were out walking the beaches looking for Natalee they are devising their defense strategy. Of course they claim they know nothing about the case.

Very quickly as you may know by now, Congressman Tom Delay is indicted again, this time on a money laundering charge brought against him by a Texas grand jury. The former House majority leader already faces one conspiracy charge in a state campaign finance probe. This new indictment comes as a result of a motion he filed to dismiss the conspiracy charge. If Delay is found guilty, he faces five years to life behind bars under Texas law.

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GRACE: To say Natalee Holloway was on the top of the world is an understatement. An American Alabama beauty with a full scholarship to go to the university to become a doctor -- her goal, to help others. Tonight, can we help her? Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother. Beth, is it true that there is a detailed statement by Deepak Kalpoe about Natalee?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there is a taped confession from Deepak Kalpoe that they all had sex with my daughter. And we were told early on that you know new evidence, when it`s brought forward that it would warrant the re-incarceration of these suspects. And we felt like even as early as you know 1st of July that we could be headed towards you know kidnapping and rape charges against these young men definitively.

GRACE: At least.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes. Now I`ve never said whether they went ahead and actually killed my daughter or not. We have never said it because we do not know. That it doesn`t look good, but kidnapping and rape at least Nancy.

GRACE: How did you learn about this statement by Deepak Kalpoe?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: This confession was obtained by a man by the name of Jamie Skeeters and he`s president of California Polygraph Association and he`s a retired -- a 38-year commander, chief of police, and extremely credible investigator and this is new information that needs to be reviewed by the Attorney General`s Office.

GRACE: What does he say on the statement?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know I can`t remember the question that led up to this response from Deepak. But it was basically he said quote -- "that they all had sex with Natalee" and he described how easy it was. Well of course it would be easy if she is coming in and out of consciousness. You know I mean Natalee was not able to defend herself.

You know she was not able to choose her will. You know this is -- that constitutes -- that`s a gang rape and I don`t know who they all are. We know Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran Van Der Sloot, but who else, who else was at the home that night. Who else was there? We don`t know that.

GRACE: It`s one thing for a crime to occur to a young girl. It`s another thing for the Aruban government to turn away from what we believe to be the truth and to stand by and let this continue. We are not letting go of the case of Natalee Holloway.

I want to thank Beth and Jug for being with us and, friends, we will meet again.

Very quickly, everybody. I want to update you on a case we have been covering for you and one of the richest areas of the entire world, Napa Valley, violent crime intrudes. It`s called the wine country murders. Let`s get an update from Jane Velez Mitchell.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nancy, a huge breakthrough in this case. Authorities say the DNA test that they have done backup their belief that they have caught the right man in this horrific double stabbing murder of two young women on Halloween night in Napa Valley. This man Eric Copple, 26-year- old, a land surveyor, smoked the same rare brand of cigarettes that were found at the crime scene, that the evidence that they collected, the DNA evidence.

What make this so very creepy is that Copple`s then girlfriend, now wife, was a very close friend and co-worker of one of the murdered women. They attended her funeral. They invited this murdered woman`s mother to their wedding a couple of months later. This woman attended and even read a passage from the Bible that they selected that talked about love and death and passion and now the entire community is wondering why? He apparently gave some sort of confession, but they won`t say what it is.

GRACE: To the best friend of one of the victims, Kelly McCorkle is with us. Her friend was Leslie Mazzara. And Elizabeth, do we have that video taken from the beauty pageant?

Kelly, out to you, if this guy who was never considered a suspect, no criminal history whatsoever, is in fact guilty, it`s amazing to me that he was probably in and out of the apartment of your friend quite often.

KELLY MCCORKLE, BEST FRIEND OF VICTIM LESLIE MAZZARA (via phone): Oh, I know and that`s the scary part and my biggest fear was that it would be somebody that Leslie would know. And I`ve talked to a lot of Leslie`s close friends out in Napa and none of them say that Leslie knew Eric well, just probably as an acquaintance.

GRACE: And, to Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, you know we really need a shrink on this one, Bethany...

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GRACE: ... because here you`ve got Adriane Insogna getting married and as the groom kissed the bride, he looked over her shoulder and according to cops, had his eye on his murder victim`s mom sitting in the wedding -- freaky.

MARSHALL: It is so freaky and when I heard about this particular crime, I had a thought, which is that I think that there were two perversions that might have motivated this crime. One was voyeurism because we know whoever the perpetrator was he was standing outside the window smoking, possibly rehearsing in his mind how he was going to commit the crime.

And that the second was sexual sadism even though there`s no evidence of a sex attack that perhaps the use of a knife because it`s easier just to kill somebody with a gun, but he used an instrument that would really cause pain and injury and that there was some sexual satisfaction in that.

GRACE: Ellie, haven`t we confirmed tonight that there is no sex assault on either of the victims both killed in their beds?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. Right. Murder charges no sexual assault charges.

GRACE: And speaking of the murder charges, to Jane Velez Mitchell, number one, was the knife, the murder weapon, taken from the home or did he stand outside smoking the cigarettes looking in the window with the knife in his pocket, do we know?

VELEZ MITCHELL: You know I`m not sure about that, but I have to say what is absolutely significant about this case is that this Eric Copple has been described by many people as a loner, as a kid who never fit in, who moved from place to place. And so this is a situation where you have a man who may have been suppressing a lot of obsession and a lot of rage.

GRACE: And very quickly, Alan Ripka, death penalty, no death penalty? We`ve got two dead bodies.

RIPKA: Well it would certainly sound like it`s a death penalty case, Nancy, but I`ll tell you, you may go for a temporary insanity here. Here is a guy who is knowingly a lawful citizen. People know him. They like him. And this guy burst on that particular day. And he may have...

GRACE: Burst? Burst? David Wohl, don`t think there was any bursting to it. He stood outside the window looking in long enough to have quite a few cigarettes. Now that`s not a snap. That`s watching and smoking and then going in when they cut the lights off. That`s not bursting like Alan Ripka said.

WOHL: No and Nancy, God bless our RFLP DNA evidence because it`s amazing what they can take off the saliva off a cigarette butt. I mean I can just vision him after he`s committed these murders, after, sitting there as the cigarette is finishing and just sort of tossing it on the ground thinking I`ve committed the perfect crime. But guess what, 2001 -- the next century of forensic evidence is this RFLP DNA and it`s wonderful and hey, they`ve nailed him apparently.

GRACE: We`ll find out about that. Everybody, we`re going to keep you posted on the wine country murders.

Very quickly before we come back to tonight`s all points bulletin, FBI and law enforcement across the country on the lookout for this woman, Joanne Chesimard, wanted in connection with the `73 murder of 34-year-old New Jersey state trooper, Werner Forester. Chesimard in her 50s, is 5`7", 140 pounds, salt and pepper hair.

If you have any information on this alleged cop killer, call the FBI, 973-792-3000.

Local news next for some of you, but we`ll all be right back. And remember, live coverage of the Wisconsin hunting murder trial, 3:00 to 5:00 Eastern on Court TV. Please stay with us as we remember Staff Sergeant Daniel L. Arnold, just 27, an American hero.

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GRACE: Adriane Insogna, age 26, Leslie Mazzara, age 26, both American beauties lost their life too young and now the suspect, Eric Copple, 26 himself, is a man no one was ever suspicious of.

Welcome back. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to go straight to Jane Velez Mitchell. We were talking about the wine country murders. You`d think in a prestigious pocket of the country where everything seems perfect and beautiful. People are rolling in money. You think they got a problem? No, but somehow violent crime intrudes.

There is a miracle to this case. There was a third roommate, a roommate whose name we`re not disclosing tonight who escaped. How did she have the wherewithal to get out as her other two roommates were being stabbed to death?

VELEZ MITCHELL: She heard the commotion and she took off and she bolted and she went for help. By the time that help arrived back two women were dead, stabbed to death in their beds. It appears that the suspect came in through a window, but it is a miracle. Thank God she got out of there and that she went for help, otherwise there could be three dead women.

GRACE: Now we were talking about the cigarette butts. What was interesting, Alan Ripka, is the DNA from saliva on the cigarette butts outside the window matches blood probably from defensive wounds by the perp in the home. So cops knew the perp inside matched the cigarettes outside and finally they got a match to this guy, we think, the final result`s not in yet, Eric Copple. It`s hard to beat DNA, Alan.

RIPKA: It sure is Nancy and I think the identity of the killer is a lock. The question is why this happened and how it happened and that`s going to be the big question for the defense counsel in this case.

GRACE: I want to thank all of my guests, especially here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway, now Beth Twitty. My biggest thank you as always is to you for being with us, inviting all of us into your homes and still caring about Natalee`s case.

Coming up, headlines from all around the world, Larry on CNN. To all of you legal eagles celebrating New Year`s again tonight, Lshannah Tovah (ph). Happy New Year! I`m Nancy Grace, signing off again for tonight. I hope to see you right here tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.

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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2007, 02:14:32 AM »

And here is a transcript of a second program in which Jug addresses the issue of the blood in the car some how changing into cleaning fluid.

 
Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor

Wednesday, September 28, 2005

 

 
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," September 27, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Natalee Holloway's (search) father recently met with the Aruba prosecutor for about four hours. Joining us live from Birmingham is Natalee’s stepfather, Jug Twitty. Welcome, Jug.

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPFATHER: Hi, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jug, this meeting that Dave Holloway (search) had with the prosecutor, four hours long, what can you tell us about it?

TWITTY: I don’t think anything really came out of it, Greta. I was disappointed. You know, the last time I asked Beth today, I said, you know, Have you talked to Karin Janssen (search)? When’s the last time you talked to her? And honestly, the last time that she’s talked to Karin Janssen was August the 28th. And what’s today, the 27th of September? I mean, that’s almost a month ago, and that was when I was with Beth down there. We flew back down to have a meting with Karin.

And it was such a heated conversation that after we left the meeting, she cut my information off. You know, I had a person that was a liaison between the police and us, a personal friend, and before I could even get back to the hotel room, she had already called and cut it off.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why was it heated on August 28?

TWITTY: Because I think I was asking questions that she didn’t know that I knew about, things that she wouldn’t tell me and I was confronting her with, you know, things like the blood in the car. If you’ll remember, way early on in the investigation, even the prime minister came and said, Yes, they found blood in the car. The FBI said they found blood in the car. She says they didn’t. She says they — I know for a fact that they cut parts out of the seat, cut parts out of the ceiling of Deepak’s car, and they sent them wherever to get tested. And she said no. Initially, the FBI said there was blood all over the car, but then they came back and said now it’s cleaning fluid. And I went ballistic in the meeting. And you know, there are a lot of other things that I went ballistic on because she’s so vague on everything that she tells you. You know, here’s a perfect example, when she hasn’t communicated with Beth in a month. So another...

VAN SUSTEREN: And, go ahead. I’m sorry.

TWITTY: No, I mean just things like, you know, one of the things when I left down there last time, we have another attorney, Helen, and Helen asked that three of the people that were with Beth and I that night we first arrived on the island, the FBI took their statements when they came back to the United States, but obviously, the Aruban police really didn’t use their statements because I believe that the people there the first night, like myself, could give you answers as to what Joran said, what his dad said, what happened, all this kind of stuff.

So my attorney asked that we come back to the United States, take these three people, go to a federal judge, have them sworn in, and we have a federal judge here that was kind enough to help us bring these three friends in that were there that night and take their sworn statements. And of course, my attorney in Birmingham is calling down there, asking Karin Janssen, What exactly do you want? She won’t even return his phone calls. I mean, it’s pitiful. It’s horrible.

VAN SUSTEREN: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

TWITTY: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Dave walk away, if you know, with the sense that he had gotten some information, or did he walk away with a sense of frustration from this four-hour meeting?

TWITTY: I can’t tell you that because I haven’t talked to Dave. You know, I’ve talked to Beth. I’ve seen some e-mails that Beth has sent me back that Dave’s e-mailed back and forth to them down there. But it’s frustrating. You know me, Greta. I mean, you’ve been to my house. You probably know me better than any of the people that I’ve talked to, you know, in the media, and I’m a high-strung person. I’ve kind of tried to stay back lately because, you know, first of all, I have a lot of friends that were affected by Katrina and our business was affected by that, so I’ve kind of stayed back and let Beth do this. But you know, I have a real problem with the prosecutor. Either she’s hiding something down there, or she doesn’t have any backbone.

VAN SUSTEREN: Which do you think it is?

TWITTY: I don’t know. I really don’t. I mean, I cannot understand why she can’t communicate with the family, I can’t understand why, you know, she doesn’t take and go back to the beginning and talk to the people that know the answers. There’s a lot of people there that first night. You know, why they didn’t take my statement until 33 days after? Why she will not admit — and this was one of the things we got in a heated conversation abut, in my meeting with her on August the 28 — why she will not admit she made a mistake in not arresting those boys the night after we brought them to them on a silver platter and let them go for nine days. Her deal was, We’re going to let them go. We’re going to try to, you know, be like catching a mouse in a trap. We’re going to track them. They got nothing. I mean, you know, they were going to tape their phones. They were going to do this. They were going to — they got nothing.

VAN SUSTEREN: And of course...

TWITTY: And she’s...

VAN SUSTEREN: ... no information.

TWITTY: Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Sloot. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jug, as always, thank you for joining us.

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2007, 02:43:34 PM »

Here is a link to still more archived information on the blood in the car which later tested as cleaning fluid.

The portions about the cleaning fluid/chocolate that was originally identified as blood are highlighted for easy location.

http://tinyurl.com/ybuhcd


This was posted at ScaredMonkeys.net in the Lively Discussion by poster Buckeye.  Many thanks!

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 05:59:21 PM »

Thought I would go ahead and post the important section from the above link just to make things easier for anyone reading here.

Posted in SM Lively Discussion Thread Forum by Poster Buckeye as taken from internet archives as the Haskiboko site has reformatted and not longer contains original archives.  At least, it does not contain any that I am able to access.  Basically this is what it said:

Here is the short version of that long page.
 
 



Sorry this is so long...but found quotes about blood cleaning fluid. Can't find primary link.

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we don't know 'who' was actually present when the crime scene investigator swabbed the blood found inside the car (and on the roof) and we really don't know whose car it was found in - reports said there was blood found in Deepak's and reports said there was blood found in Joran's (a van der sloot car). It's possible, one car had blood and one car had chocolate. And since it was reported that "the blood" sample was not Natalee's, then WHOSE blood was it -- the person Satish hit with the car?? ..afterall, reports say blood was on the roof.
Like I said, which car remains a mystery... definitely reports of blood found though --

Hasibokos:
UPDATE 10: There have been some reports of blood found in the car of one of the suspects. And according to prior information, Natalee did ride with the three suspects the night before she was missing. At this moment the blood is being tested to see if it is the blood of the missing girl, Natalee.

UPDATE 15: The largest newspaper in Holland, Telegraaf, dedicated attention on its front page of the Sunday edition to the case of Natalee Holloway with large pictures of Natalee and the Dutch suspect Joran. The translation of the Dutch article published today is:
Title: More proof against Joran: Dark clouds hang above the head of Joran van der S. There has been more proof that the 17-year old son of a Dutch judge had something to do with the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Joran is one of the last persons to see the 18-birthday girl alive.
Joran was the first one to be heard as a witness, but since.. (snip)Meanwhile blood tracks have been found in the car.

UPDATE 16: According to local Aruban media, the results of the blood test on the blood found in the car are in, and it appears that the blood is not of the missing teenager Natalee Holloway. Also the suspect (presumably Joran van der SlooT) that gave the statement that ‘something bad’ had happened, presumably was referring to possible use of alcohol and drugs...

UPDATE 19: On Monday the local papers of Aruba are reporting mostly the recent developments in this case. According to AweMeinta the fluid, that at first was believed to be blood, turned out to be something else. The biggest newspaper in Papiamentu, EXTRA, is reporting that the attorneys of the 2 men who were initially arrested (since 5th of June), said that no incriminating evidence has been found to keep their clients in custody. The 2 men have yet to be charged formally and as a result the attorneys will demand the release of these alleged suspects on Monday. Noraina Pietersz , the attorney of the thirty-year-old suspect Antonius “Mickey” John stated: “This has become a game, an illogical investigation.

Fox News: Aruban authorities investigate blood found in car.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway were seeking clues on the source of blood found in the car used to transport the missing teen to the beach nearly two weeks ago, Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes (search) said.,
“We have found some blood in the car, but we don’t know to whom it belongs,” he said.

Riehl World reports:
Natalee Holloway: Blood In Car Unrelated To Case
We have been informed that ABC reported on air that early tests indicate the blood found in the Honda suggest that it is unrelated to the case.
it goes from.. Blood Found to Not Natalee's Blood to Not Blood but Cleaning Fluid to Blood Found but Unrelated -- sure.

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