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« on: January 14, 2007, 04:49:47 PM »

THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND
THE GREAT CALIPHATE
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Larry Abraham




I urge all of my readers to make copies of this report and send them to your friends and relatives. The information is too critical to be overlooked in the madness of this election year.

Part I of this essay was written in January before the Democrat Party primaries settled anything and before the occupation of Iraq took a turn for the worse. However, it is now more obvious that what I wrote about the nature of the Third Great Jihad is all too true. The political picture has deteriorated in Europe and the U.S .to a great degree since then so Part II takes these developments into consideration. Again, I urge all of you to distribute this essay as far and wide as possible without any concern for copyright violation. Our fellow citizens need to know the true nature of what we all face. LHA

As we watch and listen to all the Democrat Party candidates running for the nomination of their party, it is tantamount to enduring the Chinese water torture. The blah, blah, blah goes on and nothing of value comes out except the pain of listening to the same nothingness over and over again. I won’t take the time or space to repeat what you have heard so many, mind numbing times over the past months but what you have not heard is crucial.

I must also fault President Bush and the administration spokesmen for not telling the American people what they really need to know about this “war”. If they don’t do that sometime between now and November it may cost them the election.

It Did Not Start on 9/11

The war we are now facing did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authorities in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less.

This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the “ Third Great Jihad” and are doing so within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the Seventh century and their attempts to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of its existence.

No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, than did Islam and the reasons for this growth are not hard to explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of Muhammad’s death in 632 AD. The Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern Empire was based in Constantinople and trying desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto state religion. The costs to the average person were unbearable as he was being required to meet the constantly rising taxes levied from the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church. What Islam offered was the “carrot or the sword”.

If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn’t, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make, unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one God-Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian Jewish prophets of the Torah (old testament). Both were called “children of the book”, the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New testaments for Christians and Jews.

With this practical approach to spreading the “word” Islam grew like wild fire, reaching out from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions. This early growth is what the Muslims call the “first” great Jihad and it met with little resistance until Charles Martel of France, the father of Charlemagne, stopped them in the battle of Tours in France, after they had firmly established the religion on the Iberian peninsula. This first onslaught against the West continued in various forms and at various times until Islam was finally driven out of Spain in 1492 at the battle of Granada.

The “second great jihad” came with the Ottoman Turks. This empire succeeded in bringing about the downfall of Constantinople as a Christian stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in all of its forms. The Ottoman Empire was Islam’s most successful expansion of territory even though the religion itself had fractured into warring sects and bitter rivalries with each claiming the ultimate truths in “the ways of the Prophet”. By 1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats on both land and sea and the final and failed attempt to capture Vienna set the stage for the collapse of any further territorial ambitions and Islam shrunk into various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and roving tribes of nomads. However, by this time a growing anti-western sentiment, blaming its internal failures on anyone but themselves, was taking hold and setting the stage for a new revival know has Wahhabism which came into full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian peninsula shortly before the onset of WWI. It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites. What this sect calls for is the complete and total rejection of anything and everything which is not based in the original teachings of The Prophet and it finds its most glaring practice in the policies of the Afgani Taliban or the Shiite practices of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Its Ali Pasha (Field Marshall) is now known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the “third Jihad”.

Jimmy Carter sets the stage

The strategy for this “holy war” did not begin with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center. It began with the plans for toppling the Shah of Iran back in the early 1970’s and culminated with his exile in 1979. With his plans and programs to “westernize” his country, along with his close ties to the U.S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target.

Thanks, in large part to the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State Department the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his arm forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete. The Third Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand design or what they call the “Great Caliphate”.

The Great Caliphate

What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and finally what they call the “occupied territory” Israel.

As a part of this strategy, forces of the jihad will infiltrate governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and what was attempted in Egypt with the murder of Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of Hussein in Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan. Pakistan is a particular prize because of its nuclear weapons.

The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on three strategic goals. 1. The U.S. withdrawing from the region just as it did in Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. 2. Taking control of the oil wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known reserves, and 3. Using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate Israel. A further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives would be to place the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West negotiations.


Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of this plan is found in the facts that immediately following the 9/11 attack, their first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing that these two would be the next targets for al Qaeda while Americans focused on the disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the most important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U.S. was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a message to the Jihadists. The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on the run or in prison.
Why Iraq?

The war on Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in that no one knew how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and the master planners of the Third Jihad or his willingness to hand off WMDs to terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known, were serious indications of on-going collaboration, as Saddam funneled money to families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis and others in Kuwait.

What the U.S. needed to establish was a significant base of operations smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world, in a location which effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target for this and a host of other strategic reasons.

Leadership of various anti-American groups both here and abroad understood the vital nature of the Bush initiative and thus launched their demonstrations, world-wide, to “Stop The War”. Failing this, they also laid plans to build a political campaign inside the country, with the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little know politician as the thrust point; Howard Dean. This helps to explain how quickly the Radical Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and money, creating what the clueless media called the “Dean Phenomenon”.

By building on the left-wing base in the Democrat party and the “Hate Bush” liberals, the campaign has already resulted in a consensus among the aspirants, minus Joe Lieberman, to withdraw the U.S. from Iraq and turn the operation over to the U.N. And, if past is prologue, i.e. Vietnam, once the U.S. leaves it will not go back under any circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel.

Should George W. Bush be defeated in November and a new administration come to power we could expect to see the dominoes start to fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations would then become a life changing event in all of our lives.

What surprised the Jihadists following the 9/11 attack was how American sentiment mobilized around the president and a profound sense of patriotism spread across the country They were not expecting this reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were they expecting the determined resolve of the President himself. I believe that this is one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks within our borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical mentors, V.I. Lenin admonished…”two steps forward, one step back”.

A couple of additional events serve as valuable footnotes to the current circumstances we face: the destruction of the human assets factor of the CIA during the Carter presidency, presided over by the late Senator Frank Church and Carter’s CIA Director, Admiral Stansfield Turner. This fact has plagued our intelligence agencies right up to this very day with consequences which are now obvious. Jimmy Carter is the one man who must bear the bulk of the responsibility for setting the stage of the Third Jihad. Americans should find little comfort in how the Democrat contenders constantly seek the “advice and counsel” of this despicable little hypocrite who now prances around with his Nobel Prize, while attacking President Bush with almost as much venom as his fellow Nobel Laureate, Yassir Arafat.

Lastly, we should not expect to see any meaningful cooperation from Western Europe, especially the French.


Since failing to protect their own interests in Algeria by turning the country over to the first of the Arab terrorists, Amid Ben Bella, the country itself is now occupied by Islamic immigrants totally twenty percent of the population.
We are in the battle of our lives which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of “knowing our enemy” the results will be catastrophic.

PART II (May 1, 2004)

Since writing the above, we have witnessed some frightening evidence in support of our hypothesis both internally and in other parts of the world.

The al Qaeda bombing in Madrid has emboldened our enemy into believing it can use terror as an instrument for democratic regime change. Based on what happened there, they may be right.

Kerry and bin Laden on the same page

John Kerry and other leaders of his party constantly refer to the United States as “acting unilaterally.” They give no credit whatsoever to countries like Great Britain, Poland, Italy, Australia or even tiny Honduras for putting their limited armed forces in harm’s way to support the U.S. led coalition in Iraq. It is little wonder that some are considering doing what Spain has done—pulling out. The leaders in these countries have spent considerable political capital in this effort, and have little to show for it as it relates to fostering good will with the American public. Couple that fact with Osama bin Ladin’s latest offer of withholding attacks on those who “quit” the coalition and you have all the elements for a Democrat party fostered “self-fulfilling prophecy” where the U.S. will be totally alone in the pacification of Iraq. John Kerry and the Bush critics persist in the “lie” of the U.S. going it “alone” in Iraq but Osama bin Laden knows differently and will use the Kerry rhetoric to help isolate the U.S. The terrorists now see themselves as political “king-makers”. They may be right.

Another aspect of the “anti-Bush” political axis is how both his political enemies and the main stream media take ghoulish delight in “the body count,” just as they did in the later days of Vietnam. Oh sure, they pay incidental homage to the memory of the young Americans who gave their lives in the greatest threat this country has ever faced, but they do so with all the sincerity of Madonna making a vow of chastity. As the body bags grow in number, they believe, so grows their political prospects. They may be right.

If the Bush administration is further weakened in the months leading up to the November elections, we will witness a heightened al Qaeda offensive in all parts of the world, including our own country, and especially in Iraq and nations surrounding it ,i.e., Pakistan, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Events within the past few days in Jordan not only make this argument but also point to the possibility of “what happened to the WMDs.”
Iran and Syria are daily growing more overt and bold in their support of insurgents within Iraq, believing that Bush has been so hurt by internal politics that he is powerless to act against them in any meaningful way. They may be right.

The Leftwing initiative, Political Correctness and Our Will to Win

Within our own country we are witnessing and almost insane application of “political correctness.” As the barbarism of radical Islam grows more apparent in the streets of the Middle East from Gaza to Basra, we see a cultural suicide taking place within our own schools and communities.

Our children are being taught from the Koran, our professors are preaching intifadah in their class rooms, and Muslim “call to prayer” loud speakers are blaring out from city halls. The more precarious our very existence becomes, the more our liberal brethren embrace their enemies. It is a Stockholm Syndrome which can only lead to the recruitment of young Muslims who will be willing to duplicate in the West what their co-religionists are doing in the streets of Israel and the market places of Baghdad. The liberal P.C. crowd say nothing about the silence of the Muslim religious leadership as it relates to the carnage of innocents but couldn’t speak out fast enough against the inspiration supplied to tens of millions of Christians by Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ. They were put off by the movie’s “violence” and its alleged “fostering of anti-Semitism”. Movies must represent their “reality” as the real thing moves them not at all. Among liberal Jews in America, hatred of George W. Bush is only surpassed by their contempt for Ariel Sharon…Let them explain it, I am at a total loss to do so. Maybe they just miss seeing Bill Clinton smooching Yassir Arafat in the White House Rose Garden.

The “Reverend” Jesse Jackson is now calling the U.S. “guilty of crimes against humanity” as he sets out to mobilize the non-Islamic Left. None of the Democrat leadership says a word in opposition to Jackson’s treason or Hillary’s attacks on the President and U.S. policy in an Arabic newspaper, while in London. You can bet that al Jezeera didn’t miss a beat in their reporting of both events.

The campaign takes its toll

The campaign is seriously hurting Mr. Bush’s leadership role in the War on Terror. While ducking every new book critical of his initiative or trying to counter the partisan nitpicking of the 9/11 Commission, he has persisted in the misbegotten insistence of “installing democracy” in Iraq. Our purpose for being in that beleaguered country should be restricted to one purpose and one purpose only, to stop the expansion of The Third Jihad and provide a base for doing same in the neighboring areas. This can be done by sealing the borders, attacking anything that moves in violation of same and by making it clear to Syria and Iran that any participation on their part will be considered an “act of war”. Let the country be governed by the local tribes, Shiite in the south, Sunni in the central and Kurds in the north with a U.S. pro consul overseeing the military. Oil revenues could be spilt by population allocation. How about installing a Republic…it worked pretty well here with diverse populations.

The very idea that we should spend our sons and daughters blood or our tax dollars on trying to building a “democracy” in the region which has neither a history nor a desire for such, is sheer nonsense. The very essence of Islamic teaching speaks directly against this principle. Continuing on the current path can only result in fostering greater hatred for the “Great Satan”. Force is the only thing which is respected in that part of the world and this force need not be tied to “reform”. I suggest Mr. Rumsfled acquaint himself with a copy of Julius Caesar’s Gallic Wars and Sun Tsu’s Art of War. All the tactics and strategies necessary to subdue the Iraqi insurgents can be found in those two military gems.

Please not the UN

Bringing the U.N. to the party will only compound the problem without adding any accountability. The U.N. has been accused of many things over the years, but being a “democratic” institution has never been one of them. Just the latest scandal of the “Oil for Food” program should provide any thinking person with all the evidence they need to keep the U.N. at bay. But this doesn’t seem to bother the likes of the John Kerry’s of the world who prattle on as if the scam doesn’t even exist.

Just one example will make my case; the UN mandate in Israel, which has been in place since 1948. One more salient point needs to be made on this subject. There is no such thing as “The International Community.” There are only individual countries, each with its own agenda which is always self serving. The myth of a higher level of “moral authority” coming out of the UN as been one of the greater lies of the past half century, but it is a lie which persists in spite of a bloody record of hypocrisy, graft, genocide and “perpetual war for perpetual peace.” I have a suggestion for the 9/11 Commission:.Why don’t they look into what the UN was doing before the attack on the World Trade Center? If they do, they will find that exactly one week before, the UN was holding a Conference on Racism in Durbin, South Africa where the delegates voted overwhelmingly to condemn Israel, as “racist and terrorist.” The U.S., Canadian and Israeli delegates walked out in disgust. Nary a word was uttered about Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, or the Taliban, to say nothing of what was happening in Rwanda while they crunched caviar on toast and washed it down with vintage Champaign. Genocide does not qualify as “racism” according to the UN “morality.” Neither we nor the world needs the UN to muck up what is already a very delicate situation. If given proper leadership every Middle Eastern country named above will throw in with the Coalition, for if they don’t they will be the next targets of the Third Great Jihad and the Great Caliphate. Pakistan is already showing the leadership which others will follow. What do you think moved Kadahaffi to cozy up to the U.S. and Great Britain? He fears the Jihadist more than he hates us.

Evil Does Exist

Our current crises, in meeting the threat of the Third Jihad, is one more example of how most Americans simply refuse to believe there is evil in this world and are willing to grant moral equivalence on any human action. Unless the crime is personalized such as in the case of Lacy Peterson, we lose interest quickly and become bored or at least not involved.

To try and understand what we are facing, look into the eyes of your son or grandson and try to fathom a mind which would take pride in strapping a bomb to his body and sending him out to kill himself and countless innocent people. Or in the case of your daughter or grand daughter, try to imagine a religion which commands you to mutilate her vagina to destroy her sex drive or demands you to stone her to death if she has sexual relations with a man other than of your choosing.

If you can comprehend these facts both intellectually and emotionally, then you will start to understand what we are facing in the months and years ahead, both at home and abroad.

The radicals of Islam will stop at nothing to destroy us and all we stand for. They see this war as their “entry to paradise” and a release from the miserable existence they have built for themselves within the confines of an evil and perverse religion. The Jihadist are NOT like us, nor most of their fellow Muslims. But, like terrorists everywhere they have silenced any criticisms from fellow Muslims through threat and intimidation and have, with the help of the ‘useful idiots” in the West, “created the appearance of popular support”.

If we are incapable of understanding these realities and acting accordingly, within the life time of everyone who reads these words, we will see our cherished way of like cease to exist and chaos become our lot. The Clash of Civilizations is now reaching out and touching all of us. May God grant us the wisdom and the courage to meet the challenge.

I respectfully dedicate the above to the memory of Pat Tillman and his 872 comrades who by their courage and willing sacrifice set an example for every American. May we be worthy of their “greatest love…”
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 05:17:57 PM »

The history totally agrees with my learning and understanding of Mediterranean history.

The hypothesis pretty much agrees with my understanding of world affairs.

Seems to me the US will continue to be at war with Islam as long as Israel exists, and even if Israel is destroyed, I'm pretty sure Islam would take that as proof they should continue to world domination.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 06:11:26 PM »

MOST excellent post Tyler!!! And Carnut, I agree with you. Funny, isn't it? These things have been foretold.

Take a look at this clip, it's worth your time:

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 06:51:19 PM »

Tylergal.  A fantastic post.  I am going to print out and send off copies to a lot of people I know who have been saying much the same thing for years.   Also was presented to us years ago the Islamic menace to Australia through Asia.  When you travel to Asia first thing you have to declare, along with drugs etc, is your religion.  Even meeting most  locals first thing you are asked is not "How are you or where are you from?" as we would here with tourists but "What is your religion"  Especially evident in Indonesia which is one scary place just waiting to explode.  The insurgents are taking over Papua New Guinea and moving closer.  They are all our closest northern neighbours and we have not much else in this part of the globe apart from New Zealand.   Then they had the Martin Bryant shooting at Port Arthur and a few other happenings which allowed them to pass a law and take off everyone all unlicenced firearms, even off farmers who need to protect their stock from wild boar etc.  Read a great article on Martin Bryant where they say it was a set-up.  Will check out the reference and post here later.  Makes interesting reading and is a very believable theory why he got blamed and  was innocent.
I feel the Iraq/Middle East conflict suits the Islamic  plan as while we are all concentrated on that spot they can go ahead with their insidious infiltration of all non-islamic countries unnoticed.  Well a lot of us are noticing but need the politicians to take heed and save our way of life and not be so patronising to all these radical regimes.  Definately has been foretold but we seem to be slow learners.
Klaasend When you see this could you please bring over my other rant this morning to here as I do not know how to do it and think it would fit in here nicely.  Pretty please and TIA.[/b]
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 09:47:02 PM »

MOST Excellent post!  I agree... and you know what has scared the living daylights out of me?  We have had the first attack on an American Embassy (in Greece) and the media and everyone is ignoring it.  

What happened to embolden the terrorists again?  My personal opinion is the "new" election of the Democrats.... the terrorists know that the "useful idiots" are in office... and the media will coperate with them.... when will people realize that the article is completely 100% true.  THAT my friends, is my larger fear....
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 09:50:22 PM »

Quote from: "mrs. red"
MOST Excellent post!  I agree... and you know what has scared the living daylights out of me?  We have had the first attack on an American Embassy (in Greece) and the media and everyone is ignoring it.  

What happened to embolden the terrorists again?  My personal opinion is the "new" election of the Democrats.... the terrorists know that the "useful idiots" are in office... and the media will coperate with them.... when will people realize that the article is completely 100% true.  THAT my friends, is my larger fear....


Fortunately I'll be dead before they actually get here.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2007, 07:40:43 PM »

Have been reading back and all I can say with the illegals discussion is I heartily agree. I would only have to substitute Australia for US and Asian for Mexican. At least we do not have a common border with another country but they come here in dilapidated boats or smuggled through normal routes with forged passports. Customs pounce on a lot but it is safe to say that there are many more that are lucky and do not get caught. The boat people manage to land in some strange places but as so much of our northern and western shorelines are uninhabited it is difficult for Coast Guard Patrol or Navy to watch everywhere at once. Then if we say anything they call us Racists. Well every Asian country hates every other Asian country so they have no room to talk.
Big fuss here at present over a Mufti (?) who is head of radical Islamic group here in Aust. After a lot of attacks and gang rapes on white girls by their illegal youths he mouthed off about it was the girls own faults as they walk around with most of their bodies unclothed displaying themselves like pieces of meat in a butchers shop. You can imagine the uproar over that.
Well now he is out of country for oversea visit and there are calls for him not to be allowed back in. So he then says because he cannot speak English (bet he can understand it OK) he was misinterpreted and translated incorrectly by the media. BS.... If he wants to be properly understood learn English and speak to us in our language. Now he says Moslems are more entitled to be in Australia than us because they paid to come here and we were all transported here. News for him!!! Also he says his nickname for John Howard (our prime minister : political head of country) is "Me too" as he follows everything George Bush says. Haven't heard the latest reaction to that but I hope they tell him to stay in Mecca or wherever he is. Even the Moslems here are denouncing him. Total ratbag.
My note :  I have copied this post over here from the NH thread, and will post our latest news article about it below.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2007, 07:53:02 PM »

This article appeared in our local newspaper "The Examiner"  on Sat 13 Jan 2007.
SHEIK TOLD NOT TO RETURN
Latest comments met by storm of condemmnation and criticism.

SYDNEY-   Politicians have urged gaffe-prone cleric Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali not to bother returning to Australia.
The mufti labelled white Australians "liars" and said Muslims were more entitled to be in Australia than those with a convict heritage during his appearance on an Eqyptian chat show.
The sheik also reiterated his view that the furore over him likening immodestly dressed women to uncovered meat was a conspiracy, and he also said Australian courts were anti-Muslim.
But his family is shielding him from the storm of condemnation from politicians and community groups, including Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone who questioned his commitment to Australia.
"I remind Sheik Alhilali that if he dosen't like Australia, our heritage or our way of life, he dosen't have to come back," she said.
Her comments were echoed by NSW Premier Morris Iemma, while Federal Opposition Kevin Rudd said the sheik appeared to be "several sandwiches short of a picnic".
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2007, 08:23:06 PM »

Tibro, I am proud of your newspapers and politicians.  Ours only have their personal interests in mind.  Some of them never learn from history.  Today I noticed that little Johnny Edwards had stopped chasing ambulances long enough to court the black voters, hoping to undermine Obama.  These two must have never heard of arkancide.  Surely it is going to befall them soon if they are not careful.

I am reminded today when I hear these pontificators of a great man and what he said about the sleezy politicians who would undermine their governmet.

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."
~~ President Abraham Lincoln
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2007, 08:26:52 PM »

Yep, both of you Tibro and Tyler have the right idea.

What a crazy mixed up world we live in.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 12:04:17 AM »

Hello to all who have posted here.

As usual, pdh3, I agree with almost everything you write. There could possibly have been a wonderfully successful outcome if Bush had listened to the Generals on the ground and sent in the extra troops they felt were needed in the first place. They thought they would take Bagdad in five days. HAH! That never happened and that's when they should have rethought their military strategy, not now, years later. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

At this point, I don't believe sending a surge of troops will change anything. This is not a typical war, nothing like the first gulf war. And more good men, like Nonesuche's husband will die. Her husband's death brought the real truth home to me.

Who thinks the surge of troops will help us win the war? Raise your hands, please. We are never going to win this war. GW made a huge blunder, the estupido, egotistical hombre with a history of cocaine, drug and alcohol abuse. As I've said before, after September 11, I was willing to change my political affiliation from Democrat to Republican and I thought GW was God. But after all his subsequent blunders, I will keep my original party affiliation.

Anna, it doesn't matter much what Bush does from here forward. He cannot make the Sunnis like the Shiites. He cannot get rid of the Iranian insurgents feeding the Iraqi underground. They are all barbarians.

We will never win this war. We would be very fortunate if we could get out with any sense of honor. It's not going to happen.

Yes, they may come after us here in the United States. My only solace is that I'm 62 years old and I'm not sure what their timeframe is to take over America. If they should even get close to trying to make me wear a burka, I've been thinking about this for years, and I have four bottles of prescribed pills that I call "my death pills." I WILL NEVER wear a burka. You younger ones may have to wear a burka. This war that GW orchestrated is a disaster. Hope you guys who love Bush will be happy under a radical Islamic "government."

Over and out,
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 12:12:01 AM »

Humm, is it just this war that the US can't win, or is it any war the US gets into from now on?

Guess if we can't win any war, we better stay away from that Darfur problem.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 06:45:15 PM »

George,

In the same way that the recent Israel / Lebanon battle took place wherein Israel was neither the winner nor the loser, the world took note that Israel obviously did not have the war machine and/or strategy that the world thought it had. The kidnapped soldier that was the cause of the battle has not yet been returned.

The whole world has seen the United States cannot win the Second Gulf War. Not enough troops, wrong strategy, not enough politics and we sent our men there with not enough body armor and Humvees without bullet proof sides.

I think the world's perception of the US is the same as it is towards Israel. We have fallen off the pedestal.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 06:51:27 PM »

Ah, obviously I could care less what the world thinks the US can or can't do.

I also think the world is quite wrong about what the US can or can't do.

As in both World Wars, it takes something big to happen to get the peaceniks in the US to join the rest of the folks to fight a war.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 10:49:51 PM »

To add to the original post,  there are also other entities working right here in the US against us, like the ACLU, etc.. attempting to take OUR God and christian beliefs out of EVERYTHING.  The very principals our country is founded on.
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