Lively Case Discussion #574 1/15 - 1/17/2007

[Lala'sMom]

Dana's thread in the Dana forum:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=684

I don't think I answered him in the right thread. Ooops! Should I move it over there?

[SunFreak2]

Okay, I just responded to Dana.  I have enjoyed his shows when I can hear them.  

Sunfreak
Are you saying that the babylonians reference is about GVC and not Joran? You guys are confusing me tonight.

I have no cohesive take on all of Shango, like most of us don't.  I understand parts of it, but the whole of it is beyond me.  I'm just throwing out ideas.

I think the Sumerians are the courts.  They bring summary (charges) against suspects.

[Tylergal]

Well, Cat claims he saw the cheating on the video.  I asked him but he didn't respond to me.  If Cat saw it you can rest assured that Posner saw it too.  I still don't see Guido as Dirty Hand.  Shango says there have many dirty hands before.  I take that to mean a long line of succession not several Dirty Hands.  I think Shango was posting on the fly and just failed to make Dirty Hand the same one each time.  But I don't know anything about Shango, so I could be wrong here.

I thought I saw Guido do some kind of "high sign" with Paulus.  I have mentioned that many times but no one else seems to have seen it and my eyes are bad, so I figured I was nuts, as everyone else terms me.

Tyler - I'm not even sure it's Guido or Paulus in that Casino video.  I'm more sure about it being Paulus than I am Guido.

Okay, then perhaps this is a dirty hand who has "worked the elders" for a long time, helping them at the tables, helping by getting women for them.

[Lala'sMom]

Well, Cat claims he saw the cheating on the video.  I asked him but he didn't respond to me.  If Cat saw it you can rest assured that Posner saw it too.  I still don't see Guido as Dirty Hand.  Shango says there have many dirty hands before.  I take that to mean a long line of succession not several Dirty Hands.  I think Shango was posting on the fly and just failed to make Dirty Hand the same one each time.  But I don't know anything about Shango, so I could be wrong here.

I thought I saw Guido do some kind of "high sign" with Paulus.  I have mentioned that many times but no one else seems to have seen it and my eyes are bad, so I figured I was nuts, as everyone else terms me.

No, No, No.  I remember you saying that.  I just never saw it.  So I thought I was the one that was nuts.  

[Tibrogargan]

Well, Cat claims he saw the cheating on the video.  I asked him but he didn't respond to me.  If Cat saw it you can rest assured that Posner saw it too.  I still don't see Guido as Dirty Hand.  Shango says there have many dirty hands before.  I take that to mean a long line of succession not several Dirty Hands.  I think Shango was posting on the fly and just failed to make Dirty Hand the same one each time.  But I don't know anything about Shango, so I could be wrong here.

I thought I saw Guido do some kind of "high sign" with Paulus.  I have mentioned that many times but no one else seems to have seen it and my eyes are bad, so I figured I was nuts, as everyone else terms me.

The video is a bit small for me to make out too much detail like that either.
If we could get it on VCR tape and play on a TV set it might be clearer.  Will have to leave it up to the experts I suppose.

[SunFreak2]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Just for reference here.  I still say that Guido was the "boyfriend" and not Dirty Hand.  But as I have said, my Shango is lacking to say the least.

I don't think it is clear that Shango said Babalu got the part right about chief of polis.  He just states that Babalu opened a window into Babylonia.

[Lala'sMom]

Well, I am even more confused now...you guys have me thinking in all directions again.  Just when I thought I had it all figured out.  

[klaasend]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Just for reference here.  I still say that Guido was the "boyfriend" and not Dirty Hand.  But as I have said, my Shango is lacking to say the least.

Yep, this is where we figured Shango was referring to Van der Straaten

[Lala'sMom]

What I need is for someone to email me the entire FP posts on Shango and Simian.  With all the other conversations gong on it is much clearer than it is when all you have is Shango and Simian replying to the posts.  I had it at one time and have since lost it in a few computer crashes I have been through.  There was a certain monkey out there (don't remember who, sorry) that provided me with the entire posts and after I spent time reading them with the conversations by the  other posters, it made much more sense to me.

[klaasend]

Dana's thread in the Dana forum:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=684

I don't think I answered him in the right thread. Ooops! Should I move it over there?

Dana posted the same request in 3 different areas.  I don't think it matters which area you respond in.

[klaasend]

What I need is for someone to email me the entire FP posts on Shango and Simian.  With all the other conversations gong on it is much clearer than it is when all you have is Shango and Simian replying to the posts.  I had it at one time and have since lost it in a few computer crashes I have been through.  There was a certain monkey out there (don't remember who, sorry) that provided me with the entire posts and after I spent time reading them with the conversations by the  other posters, it made much more sense to me.

Lala's I probably have what you are looking for.  I'll email you what I have.

[Tibrogargan]

Well, I am even more confused now...you guys have me thinking in all directions again.  Just when I thought I had it all figured out.  

I am like Sunfreak - just throwing out ideas.  Some of mine are way out (like Anita's involvement) but waiting to see what others think of the ideas.
Guido left the island like he had gone into orbit.  I think Tito was first to mention him.  His parents are separated and his mother lives in Europe as I understand it so he ran home to Mummy.   Are all those twerps Mother's boys ?

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Going on the assumption that Babylonians are the ALE, you have Shango saying that the ALE are the ones that picked up Joran and Natalee?  Picked up from where?  Not the beach.

[Tylergal]

Well, Cat claims he saw the cheating on the video.  I asked him but he didn't respond to me.  If Cat saw it you can rest assured that Posner saw it too.  I still don't see Guido as Dirty Hand.  Shango says there have many dirty hands before.  I take that to mean a long line of succession not several Dirty Hands.  I think Shango was posting on the fly and just failed to make Dirty Hand the same one each time.  But I don't know anything about Shango, so I could be wrong here.

Dirty Hand:  Is it possible it is the malaise toward crime or the willingness and participation in crime that is Dirty Hand, and there have been many dirty hands who participated to make this island a crime-ridden place.

Is it possible that Dirty Hand is a thing and not a person and that dirty hands make it happen.

[Lala'sMom]

What I need is for someone to email me the entire FP posts on Shango and Simian.  With all the other conversations gong on it is much clearer than it is when all you have is Shango and Simian replying to the posts.  I had it at one time and have since lost it in a few computer crashes I have been through.  There was a certain monkey out there (don't remember who, sorry) that provided me with the entire posts and after I spent time reading them with the conversations by the  other posters, it made much more sense to me.

Lala's I probably have what you are looking for.  I'll email you what I have.

Thank you.

[klaasend]

What I need is for someone to email me the entire FP posts on Shango and Simian.  With all the other conversations gong on it is much clearer than it is when all you have is Shango and Simian replying to the posts.  I had it at one time and have since lost it in a few computer crashes I have been through.  There was a certain monkey out there (don't remember who, sorry) that provided me with the entire posts and after I spent time reading them with the conversations by the  other posters, it made much more sense to me.

Lala's - I just emailed you everything I have.  2 Word docs and 1 PP presentation.

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows


Dirty Hand is a person.

[Lala'sMom]

What I need is for someone to email me the entire FP posts on Shango and Simian.  With all the other conversations gong on it is much clearer than it is when all you have is Shango and Simian replying to the posts.  I had it at one time and have since lost it in a few computer crashes I have been through.  There was a certain monkey out there (don't remember who, sorry) that provided me with the entire posts and after I spent time reading them with the conversations by the  other posters, it made much more sense to me.

Lala's - I just emailed you everything I have.  2 Word docs and 1 PP presentation.

You rock!  Did you guys know that Klaas is the best?  Yes she is!

[Tibrogargan]

What I need is for someone to email me the entire FP posts on Shango and Simian.  With all the other conversations gong on it is much clearer than it is when all you have is Shango and Simian replying to the posts.  I had it at one time and have since lost it in a few computer crashes I have been through.  There was a certain monkey out there (don't remember who, sorry) that provided me with the entire posts and after I spent time reading them with the conversations by the  other posters, it made much more sense to me.

 

I think Shango/Simian posts are like Nostradamus' quatrains.  Not in chronological order so maybe we need to reshuffle them into a more logical order then read them through.

 Klaas  Is that the same as the thread of Shango/Simian postings you have here?  If so I will print out and compare with anything else I can find on the net.  There was one out there which had someone's interpretations as well.   Most of it made sense at the time.

[Tylergal]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows


Dirty Hand is a person.

Crime can walk with the elders.