Lively Case Discussion #574 1/15 - 1/17/2007

[klaasend]

Will have to log out for now - DH knocks off work soon and he will expect a meal when he gets home I suppose  

Will be back later to do my sweeping out for Lalas..

Be good monkeys

Later Tibro - I'll won't be around when you get back, will probably be sleeping, lol  

[Tylergal]

Will have to log out for now - DH knocks off work soon and he will expect a meal when he gets home I suppose  

Will be back later to do my sweeping out for Lalas..

Be good monkeys

The very idea of him expecting a meal.  Klaas' husband is like that too.    

[IBE]

Trying hard to catch up here

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
 DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left
[/b]Lala'sMom wrote:[/b]
 Going on the assumption that Babylonians are the ALE, you have Shango saying that the ALE are the ones that picked up Joran and Natalee? Picked up from where? Not the beach.


SunFreak2 said
It is very confusing to me, b/c it seems that Shango and Simian both use the term Babylonians, but with different meaning. I doubt we will ever figure out Shango's riddles. I have tried many times setting the parameters for who the Babylonians, Arawaks & Sumerians are. But just when I think I am cooking with gas, something Shango said doesn't make sense with my definitions. Arrrghhhhh.

Me: See I think it's used with the same meaning at times and then seperate at others

here's one of those A=B=C things I used to hate in school:
Let's assume that "babylonians" are the Dutch.
OK some kind of Dutch provide escort after the K2 (Shivas) brothers leave
So who is Dutch... not all the ALE but some of the ALE including the godfather of Joran who as the Police Chief but also
Joran, Paulus are Dutch
Lorenzo is Dutch
The owner of the Visability Team is Dutch and was wasn't his son one of the suspects? and when you look at the Visability Team picture of the adults they look mostly all Dutch. They were the eyes and ears on the beach at night. Also, I think, this company ran the camera in the hotels. Also, some of the ALE were also on the Visability Team.

Also:
Remember the cartoon that first came out and said Natalee had 3 days to live ie: was marked 3 days before she disappeared? In that cartoon it showed Visability all black clothing, in their hooded sweatshirts in the background at the beach with someone not in sweatshirt headed clothing, plus there was also someone watching from a window in the hotel.

I looked for that cartoon, but can't find it. Only found one similar with no one in the hotel window observing what was going on.

PS.. question: what was the name of the owner of the Visability Team and what is the name of the son who ran with Joran?

Sorry can't use cut and paste and the quotes factor in this software (Safari) so have to hand code it and am lazy at the moment [/b]

[IBE]

With the dictionary listings here, I am going to have to rethink.

CBB... I love it![/b]

[klaasend]

Son - Geoffrey van Cromvoirt = GVC

[Lala'sMom]

IBE
That cartoon is here somewhere.  Klaas will know.  If not I can find it somewhere I think.

Also the Babylonians are a reference to The Dutch that have the power on the island.  Id you notice in Shango the Babylonians don't care what happens to Aruba.  That is not their problem.  We have seen this played out in front of our eyes.  The Arawaks are the native arubans that are so dependent upon the Americans(cowboys) for their livelihood.

[bleachedblack]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows


Dirty Hand is a person.

Crime can walk with the elders.

Dirty Hand is a person.  

Shango in his writing has various ways of spelling/writing Dirty hand. I don't think this was done in an arbitrary way, but rather to signify different Dirty Hands .

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:53 pm
If Babylonian card sings ALL will fall
Teepees and the house of Babylon
If cowboys stay, after the sacrifice, everyone see dirty hand.
No Wampum, Many Moons.

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Every tribe has bad Indians
Every fort has bad cowboys
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks and cowboys working well
Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians who have
lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys
cowboys will leave without loot
Light the fires!

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy
If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The babylonians are to blame.
The arawaks were worried about teepees and the cowboys.
They did not bring DirtyHand into the Tribe!
He will go back to babylon broken, after the sacrifice is eaten

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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

and on and on........

[klaasend]

Lala's - did you get my email and did it help?

[Lala'sMom]

I think a question nobody has asked is...what is Shango?  Dutch? Aruban? Any ideas?   If nobody told you who most people think is Shango, who would you choose him to be?  Any guesses?

[klaasend]

I think a question nobody has asked is...what is Shango?  Dutch? Aruban? Any ideas?   If nobody told you who most people think is Shango, who would you choose him to be?  Any guesses?

I believe Shango is Aruban.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's - did you get my email and did it help?

I am sorry, I forgot to tell you.  Yes, thank you so much.

 I am still looking for a copy of the parts where Shango is interacting with the other posters.  I am so mad at myself for losing them.  It had Shango and Simian and each individual poster's response.  It made me change my entire thoughts on Shango after I read it. Everything just became much clearer.  I will try to find it.  

I especially am enjoying the last thing you sent me.  It is very, ver;y interesting.  Did you do that?  If not, do you know who did?

[klaasend]

Lala's - did you get my email and did it help?

I am sorry, I forgot to tell you.  Yes, thank you so much.

 I am still looking for a copy of the parts where Shango is interacting with the other posters.  I am so mad at myself for losing them.  It had Shango and Simian and each individual poster's response.  It made me change my entire thoughts on Shango after I read it. Everything just became much clearer.  I will try to find it.  

I especially am enjoying the last thing you sent me.  It is very, ver;y interesting.  Did you do that?  If not, do you know who did?

Yep, that was me    I did that back in October 2005.

[bleachedblack]

I think a question nobody has asked is...what is Shango?  Dutch? Aruban? Any ideas?   If nobody told you who most people think is Shango, who would you choose him to be?  Any guesses?

I don't know who Shango is. If someone told me I'm not sure I would believe them.....

Was Shango the French one or was Simian? I think I recal Shango making "fun" of Simians for being French? ...does anyone else recall that?
Shango literate, articulate, educated, obvious inside knowledge/understanding of the underbelly of Aruba and ALE IMO. Closer to the inside that Simian.......Merian Ernest a spinoff and someone i never read......

[Lala'sMom]

Klass
After all this time would you change anything in it?  Do you still believe it to be the way you presented it?

[Lala'sMom]

BB
Shango referred to Simian as a frenchman.

[klaasend]

Klass
After all this time would you change anything in it?  Do you still believe it to be the way you presented it?

Lala's I'm not sure.  I haven't looked at that entire document in a long time.  I'll go over it in the next couple days and let you know.

[klaasend]

Time for me to call it a night.  GOODNIGHT ALL!

[bleachedblack]

BB
Shango referred to Simian as a frenchman.

TX Lala's I thought I remembered that.......Not always sure, the old memory ain't what it used to be.......

[bleachedblack]

Nite Klaas

[Lala'sMom]

Time for me to hug Nemo and get to bed.  All this dancing has worn me out. I think I outlasted everyone else.  Does that mean I get the prize?  I bet the Shango haters will be disappointed to read the overnight stuff.