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« Reply #960 on: January 17, 2007, 01:55:12 PM »

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What is GBL?
(for explanation of unfamiliar scientific terms, we recommend www.britannica.com )

Description
gamma-Butyrolactone (GBL) is a colorless liquid, free of suspended matter. It is miscible (capable of being mixed; specifically: capable of mixing in any ratio without separation of two phases) with water, alcohols, ketones, esters and aromatic hydrocarbons. Solubility is limited in aliphatic and cycloaliphatic hydrocarbons.

Safety
 gamma-Butyrolactone (GBL) is a strong mucous membrane irritant, as well as a mild skin irritant.
 GBL can penetrate the epidermis and cause rashes or eczema.
 GBL has a narcotic effect.
 This product is neither explosive nor spontaneously flammable in air. However, it is combustible. Materials recommended for storage tanks are carbon steel, stainless steel and nickel. Always refer to the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for detailed information on handling and disposal.

Applications
 GBL serves as a chemical intermediate in the manufacture of all pyrrolidones. It can be used in the production of pesticides, herbicides and plant growth regulators. GBL may be formed as an intermediate in the production of vitamins and pharmaceuticals.
 As a solvent, GBL can be used in/with:  pesticides
 photochemical etching
 electrolytes of small batteries or capacitors
 viscosity modifiers in polyurethanes
 surface etching of metal coated plastics
 organic paint disbursements for water soluble inks
 pH regulators in the dyeing of wool and polyamide fibers
 foundry chemistry as a catalyst during curing
 curing agents in many coating systems based on urethanes and amides

 
Here is some info I found on gbl.
Would probably give a false positive for blood.
COULD be used as a date-rape drug!!
AND stupid lab in Netherlands could call it a "cleaning agent" because it certainly is!!
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« Reply #961 on: January 17, 2007, 01:59:18 PM »

Actually the Lab in the Netherlands could report cleaning fluid even if they didn't find anything in the car, let alone finding blood as was reported by an FBI agent.
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« Reply #962 on: January 17, 2007, 02:01:30 PM »

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GBL
(gamma-butyrolactone)
What is it and how is it used?
GBL is much like the date rape drug GHB in that it is marketed as a dietary supplement, making it harder to regulate and restrict by the FDA. GBL is not only used in dietary supplements but also as an industrial cleaner. When GBL is ingested, it is metabolized into GHB in your system. GBL is marketed for having health benefits and is used for relaxing, fighting depression and old age, and is even said to create longer and better orgasms. GBL is twice as potent as GHB. Strippers report using if before “shows” so they can do the degrading things they have to do in order to arouse their customers. GBL like has a slightly bitter taste but is easily masked in strong drinks or soda. In some areas GBL is available in cherry, cinnamon, and lime flavors.
What does it do?
It produces deep, unarousable sleep. So far, it seems that the memory of what happened while under the influence of GBL will never come back. Side effects of GBL include: severe amnesia, vomiting, lethargy, confusion, hypothermia, coma, respiratory arrest, seizures, agitation, loss of bowel control, and even death. Victims of GBL often become unconscious after ingestion. However, one of the most dangerous parts of GBL is that a victim may act normally after the drug has been ingested. The victim may not seem drunk, but rather alert and fully functioning. The victim may not remember a thing starting from 30 – 45 minutes prior to the time the drug was administered.
Is GBL detectable?
The best possible way to detect GBL is in the first urine sample after ingestion. This sample must be within the first six hours of ingestion. GBL is detectable in the bloodstream, but only until 24 hours after ingestion. Since victims of this date rape drug are not only unable to remember being drugged but also cannot recall 30 – 45 minutes prior to being drugged, it makes it next to impossible to realize the drug has been administered in time to get tested.
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more info on GBL. Going to get one more post..it's pretty telling I think!!
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« Reply #963 on: January 17, 2007, 02:07:38 PM »

Afternoon Monkeys. Quick question.........

Do we know anything about a person named Roland Peterson in Aruba?
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« Reply #964 on: January 17, 2007, 02:09:24 PM »

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Actually the Lab in the Netherlands could report cleaning fluid even if they didn't find anything in the car, let alone finding blood as was reported by an FBI agent.


Now I am all eyes........why would they do that?
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« Reply #965 on: January 17, 2007, 02:09:46 PM »

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Gamma Butyrolactone (GBL)
www.ukchems.com - A versatile & safe cleaning solvent.


VERY VERY interesting website. Seems they are selling GBL the "Cleaning fluid" of course...cleaning fluid my a--
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« Reply #966 on: January 17, 2007, 02:10:36 PM »

UH-OH where's Klaas?

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« Reply #967 on: January 17, 2007, 02:11:20 PM »

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Gamma Butyrolactone (GBL)
www.ukchems.com - A versatile & safe cleaning solvent.


VERY VERY interesting website. Seems they are selling GBL the "Cleaning fluid" of course...cleaning fluid my a--


I agree, and am reading with interest. Thanks for bringing it here.
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« Reply #968 on: January 17, 2007, 02:11:34 PM »

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UH-OH where's Klaas?

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think she's here somewhere...
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« Reply #969 on: January 17, 2007, 02:12:06 PM »

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UH-OH where's Klaas?

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« Reply #970 on: January 17, 2007, 02:12:11 PM »

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Actually the Lab in the Netherlands could report cleaning fluid even if they didn't find anything in the car, let alone finding blood as was reported by an FBI agent.


Now I am all eyes........why would they do that?


Dunno, 'why' has anything in the case been reported as it has?
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« Reply #971 on: January 17, 2007, 02:12:31 PM »

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Gamma Butyrolactone (GBL)
www.ukchems.com - A versatile & safe cleaning solvent.


VERY VERY interesting website. Seems they are selling GBL the "Cleaning fluid" of course...cleaning fluid my a--


I agree, and am reading with interest. Thanks for bringing it here.

my pleasure...may not be anything but seems that this stuff could easily fit the bill of what they found in the car!!
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« Reply #972 on: January 17, 2007, 02:13:23 PM »

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UH-OH where's Klaas?

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HEHEHE Thanks(I think)
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« Reply #973 on: January 17, 2007, 02:14:45 PM »

bleached, I don't recall that name in Aruba, but I could have missed it.

lisa, interesting about the GBL.
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« Reply #974 on: January 17, 2007, 02:15:14 PM »

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GBL is much like the date rape drug GHB in that it is marketed as a dietary supplement, making it harder to regulate and restrict by the FDA.


I don't know if it is still marketed as a dietary supplement....it was, i think maybe it was pulled from the market.
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« Reply #975 on: January 17, 2007, 02:15:32 PM »

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Afternoon Monkeys. Quick question.........

Do we know anything about a person named Roland Peterson in Aruba?


http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=347

March 15, 2004 - 14:11
Low Rise Visibility Team Kick Off Party At Amsterdam Manor


 Aruba's Hospitality & Security Foundation, an organization sponsored by Aruba's private and public sector - a joint venture between the hotels and the island's police force - just celebrated another landmark at a sunset cocktail party on Eagle beach at Amsterdam Manor. Chief Atalo Winklaar at the helm of the friendly brigade, introduced his low rise team, the expansion of AH&SF, as promised.

Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation was formed by Aruba's tourism partners to provide assistance to the local Police Force. The idea was to create a visibility team patrolling the Palm Beach area, helping secure nine resorts and their environs. The visibility team took to the beaches in December of 2002.

Effective March 1st, it is also adding the low-rise areas to include on-foot patrols, ATVs and motorised vehicles, spanning the stretch from Brickell Bay to Divi Village.

Rob Smith, General Manager, Wyndham Aruba Hotel & Casablanca Casino is the chairman of the AHSF board. He is joined by Jan Van Nes, Playa Linda, Tom Wolf, Hyatt Regency and Carlos Aquino, Holiday Inn. The hoteliers, members of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association who provides the funding, interchange ideas and share team operational responsibility with Martin Molina, Pelican Watersposrt, retired immigration chief Roland Peterson and Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig.

In the pictures, the team Kick Off, welcomed by Aruba's Minister of Justice Rudy Croes, the Minister of Tourism Edison Briezen, AHATA CEO Horace Hord and program coordinator Marcia Grobman.
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« Reply #976 on: January 17, 2007, 02:15:44 PM »

This whole chemical thing is exactly why there should have been samples sent to our FBI for testing on everything that was sent to Holland. At some point, they said they were doing that, right? When did that happen? It's been so long I have trouble remembering stuff.
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« Reply #977 on: January 17, 2007, 02:16:17 PM »

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Actually the Lab in the Netherlands could report cleaning fluid even if they didn't find anything in the car, let alone finding blood as was reported by an FBI agent.


Now I am all eyes........why would they do that?


Dunno, 'why' has anything in the case been reported as it has?


it's sold on the website as "cleaning fluid...used as a date rape drug, they probably kept it in the car to drug girls and so what if they were causght..it's"cleaning fluid" perfectly legal. Probably spilled it while spiking her drink!!
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« Reply #978 on: January 17, 2007, 02:16:41 PM »

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bleached, I don't recall that name in Aruba, but I could have missed it.

lisa, interesting about the GBL.


I was wondering........I will wait for the thread change and post a quote. I might be inclined to nominate him for the being the big "S".
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« Reply #979 on: January 17, 2007, 02:17:23 PM »

Just posted some info on him above.
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