Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[SunnyinTX]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP65mkhJDnoedFlSx7Qa2IAc18gAD9G3BCI00

Holloway suspect sought in Peru murder

By FRANKLIN BRICENO (AP) – 1 hour ago

LIMA, Peru — A young Dutchman previously arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is the prime suspect in a weekend murder of a Peruvian woman, police said Wednesday.

Joran van der Sloot is being sought in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel, Criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told a news conference. He said the suspect fled the country the next day by land to Chile.

The Dutch government said Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for Van der Sloot.

Guardia said the 22-year-old Dutchman, who was in the country for a poker tournament, appears with the young woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday.

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, told reporters she was killed about 8 a.m. in a hotel room in the upscale Miraflores neighborhood that was splattered with blood, indicating a struggle.

The killing occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.

Van der Sloot left Peru on Monday, Guardia said, according to immigration registry. He had been staying at the hotel since May 14 and checked out on Sunday four hours after he arrived there with the victim, the police general added.

"We have an interview with a worker at the hotel who says she saw this foreigner with the victim enter his room," said Guardia.

Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for Van der Sloot, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bengt van Loosdrecht told The Associated Press in The Netherlands.

He cited as his sources Peruvian police and the Dutch Embassy in Lima. The embassy's head of consular affairs, Angela Lowe, told the AP she could not comment on the case.

An attorney for Van der Sloot in New York City, Joe Tacopina, said he did not know his client's whereabouts and has not been in touch with him since the Peru allegations emerged.

Tacopina cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested but later released for lack of evidence in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway, who was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island.

No trace of her has been found and van der Sloot remains the main suspect in the case, said Ann Angela, spokeswoman for the Aruba prosecutor's office.

"What's happening now is incredible," she said. "At this moment we don't have anything to do with it, but we are following the case with great interest and if Peruvian authorities would need us, we are here."

Van der Sloot's late father was a prominent judge in Aruba.

The mystery of Holloway's disappearance has garnered wide attention on television and in newspapers in Europe and the United States.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of Van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach, drunk.

He said believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty of Mountain Brook, Alabama, told the AP the family was aware of the development in Peru but would have no comment.

thanks Klaas.......

jtacopina@tacopinalaw.com  I just sent him a little message

[jill]

he must not have actually "checked out" on Sunday, otherwise wouldn't the maid have cleaned the room and found Stephany then instead of today?

[Rob]

hardly shocked over here and this is what I meant by "future crimes"..

I spoke to TJ Ward - he wants the father's phone number is anyone comes across it.

Also, Joran has passed thru Chile and is apparently on his way to Argentina. That's the way I understand it as of now.

[Edward]

Greta is outraged on her facebook.

WHY ? She tends to believe him ..

yep.


Edward, any more news from your friend at the embassy?

Nope, she just told me what she has been hearing...
That is all she knows.. and she can be wrong.

[jill]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP65mkhJDnoedFlSx7Qa2IAc18gAD9G3BCI00


*respectfully snipped

thanks Klaas.......

jtacopina@tacopinalaw.com  I just sent him a little message

funny Sunny.

[texasmom]

Can you believe this freakin' beotch!  OMG!

http://www.facebook.com/dilma.a.geerman?v=wall&ref=ts


Dilma Arends Geerman When I asked Natalee for a sign, this is not what I hoped for....So, so, so sad....
6 hours ago

Edward Erasmus Maybe it's really harsh to say, but I guess this is what it takes for him to confess for good what he did with Natalee..
5 hours ago

Barbara Bok aap zal wel uit de mouw komen, en boontje komt wel om zijn loontje
5 hours ago

translation: monkey will probably come out of the bag, and the bean will come to his loontje  


Jeffrey Di Carlo Dilma, contacting the dead? Wow! We ought to pray to God for a sign not the dead. Aruba need to fast and humble themself before God start sending judgment!
5 hours ago


Minouche Lopez Op de dag zelf 5 jaar geleden!!! Eng... Dios sa kico ela hasi in de tussenliggende jaren... Elke 30 mei??
5 hours ago

translation:
On the day 5 years ago! Scary ... Kico ela hasi sa Dios in the intervening years ... Every May 30?

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Dilma Arends Geerman Heavy, heavy, heavy heart....
6 hours ago

Tisa LaSorte ?
6 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman Her mother must be heart broken...Anita, I mean....
6 hours ago

Tisa LaSorte algo a pasa atrobe cu Joran?
6 hours ago

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert Why is he going to Peru?
6 hours ago

Lisette Gomes Dilma e noticia aki ta berdad??
6 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman He is suspected of having murdered a Peruvian girl. He was the last person seen with her, they found her today......OMG, this was NOT the sign I was hoping for...
6 hours ago

Tisa LaSorte I agree. I feel awful for Anita. I can only hope that this time they can find proof that he did it. Where did it happen?
6 hours ago

Barbara Bok Bad sign!!! Hope they keep the news to Peru and don't punish us in Aruba AGAIN..
6 hours ago

Jeffrey Di Carlo Joran van der Sloot: "Be sure your sins will find you out". God will punish you sooner or later!
6 hours ago

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert Need to keep Aruba's name out of this for sure...
6 hours ago

Mandy López And this happened where exactly?
6 hours ago

Dilma Arends Geerman Lima, Peru......Girl was found stabbed. She was in the casino with him, playing poker, left with him..FOund this morning stabbed...
6 hours ago

Tisa LaSorte Or maybe Aruba should get ahead of the story. Our authorities should offer Lima police help. Look like they are still pursuing the crime and the suspect. Because the press' accusation will be that due to Aruba's lack of effectiveness, another girl was murdered.... Very, very sad.
6 hours ago

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert Nothing on the news yet...
6 hours ago

Selimah Maduro-Halabi OMG.......So, so sad, incredible almost. I agree with Mrs. Tisa, we should jump ahead........where is Otmar?
6 hours ago

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert Right Tisa, the local authorities should be proactive and jump on this right away..
6 hours ago

Ida Does on the news here in Holland...tragic news
5 hours ago

Krissy Capriles OMG! He's gonna get HIS!
4 hours ago

Ilka Bruin The Joran saga will be kept alive to remind the youth to examine their behaviors and the investigative team to reexamine themselves.
4 hours ago

Ellie Cannizzaro-Heemels Did not hear anything here in New York yet! What a never ending DRAMA!
2 hours ago

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert Ellie it is all over the news now at least on the internet: cnn.com, msnbc.com and abcnews.com.....
2 hours ago

Ellie Cannizzaro-Heemels Just got home from work and didn't see anything on local news yet.
2 hours ago

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert komt nog...
2 hours ago

Ellie Cannizzaro-Heemels Wat erg zeg. Ik heb het net gelezen op internet. Ik hoop dat ze hem grijpen en ophangen.
2 hours ago

translation:  What really say. I've just read on the Internet. I hope they seize him and hang up.

Saskia Andrea Markowski-Dennert Ja ik ook. Het is hoog tijd!
2 hours ago

Tricia Doherty Hughes I wish I spoke Dutch/Papiemento. Dilma, you are very interesting and informative to read. Thank you for sharing.
2 hours ago

Selimah Maduro-Halabi I can only picture Nancy Grace tonight, having a ball, ripping us apart again..............
about an hour ago

Dilma Arends Geerman True....but unlike in Aruba, there was a body in Peru.....go to crimemuseum.org/nhrc and on that site they mention the inexhaustable efforts made by Aruba to solve the case, including spending a huge portion of the police budget just on the case...it is a good story....
about an hour ago
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Dilma Arends Geerman As my husband said, let's ask the team of NCIS solve the cases, here and in Peru....They are always on the dot....
3 hours ago
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Claire Moncrief Could be a CBS tie in!
about an hour ago

Dilma Arends Geerman Just make sure LL Cool J is part of the that comes to Aruba....
56 minutes ago

from earlier....

Dilma Arends Geerman Official channels in Aruba confirm Joran left Aruba, straight for Peru.....
6 hours ago

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She makes me sick!  I guarantee you that idiot didn't need a sign from Natalee or anyone else to KNOW what happened.  Let her act dumb to her friends (or maybe she's still dopin', lol), she's not fooling me for a second!

[jill]

Greta is outraged on her facebook.

WHY ? She tends to believe him ..

yep.


Edward, any more news from your friend at the embassy?

Nope, she just told me what she has been hearing...
That is all she knows.. and she can be wrong.

ok, thanks.

[SunnyinTX]

There are many conflicting reports..............about where he is, etc.

http://www.livinginperu.com/news/12351#comment


Latest News in Peru / Archive
Law and Order | 2 June, 2010 [ 14:20 ]
Dutch citizen main suspect of murder in Peru

LivinginPeru.com
Isabel Guerra

Dutch citizen main suspect of murder in PeruDutch national Joran van der Sloot, 22 years old, is at present the main suspect of the murder of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, aged 21, found dead in a Lima hotel today, five days after she disappeared.

According to Peruvian police reports, Stephany Flores was last seen with van der Sloot, who has already left Peru and is currently in Chile.

Interpol Peru confirmed that the Dutch citizen is is Chile and that there is not any international arrest warrant issued against him yet.

The Chief of the Crime Investigation Directorate, César Guardia, told the press today that they will appeal to international treaties to locate and arrest Joran van der Sloot and bringing him to Peru.

Five years ago van der Sloot was investigated in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old American student who went missing in Aruba.

[jill]

yes, i'm reading in several places, people from Aruba posting that they hope Aruba can dodge this.

good luck.  ain't gonna happen.

[klaasend]

hardly shocked over here and this is what I meant by "future crimes"..

I spoke to TJ Ward - he wants the father's phone number is anyone comes across it.

Also, Joran has passed thru Chile and is apparently on his way to Argentina. That's the way I understand it as of now.

[Edward]

Argentina is not a safe haven for Joran..
They would have no problem turning Joran over to Interpol in my opinion.

[MuffyBee]

yes, i'm reading in several places, people from Aruba posting that they hope Aruba can dodge this.

good luck.  ain't gonna happen.

Nope, it ain't gonna happen imo either.  It will only make Aruba look more culpable.  Aruba only wanted to do CYA for the tourist industry.  They didn't do right and now it's going to come back and haunt them.  It's going to bring all the questions back up again. JMHO

[Anna]

There was a POKER STARS tournament in Lima Peru:

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/tournaments/lapt/season-3-1/lima/

Looks like the actual tournament started today but could be why Joran was down there to begin with.

OK so CAESU and FoxNews are also reporting that Joran was there for the tournament.  He flew from Colombia on May 14th and drove out on the 31st?

Here's a third source saying it was for a Poker Tournament that Joran was in Peru.

http://nos.nl/artikel/161645-joran-genoemd-in-nieuwe-moordzaak.html

[Rob]

Joran's earthly time has come to the end - like the sands in an hour glass.

When Paulus keeled over I knew it wouldn't be long and made that point. Others did too.

This will probably end in a hail of bullets or Joran will take his own life. Either way - I'm thrilled.

I don't see Joran as one who will ever face the punishment he so rightfully deserves.

But I am assured, by my faith, that Joran will have his judgment day - like father like son.

I remind myself often that Karma is real and you reap what you sew.

It's the end of the road for this dead-ender.

[klaasend]

Posted at RU - translated video:

pausebreak  PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:41 pm         

Dirincri Chief reported that there are witnesses who saw them entering the hotel where he was found dead. Aún no se confirma causas del deceso Still not confirmed cause of death

Dirincri chief Gen. Cesar Guardia, said moments ago at a press conference that is coordinating with Interpol Chile preliminary detention of citizens Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot (23).

Esto debido a que, según las primeras investigaciones, el sujeto fue visto ingresando con Stephany Flores (21) a su cuarto de hotel el último 30 de mayo.

This is because, according to preliminary investigations, the subject was seen entering with Stephany Flores (21) to his hotel room last May 30.

En dicho lugar fue hallado esta mañana el cadáver de la hija del empresario Ricardo Flores .

In such a place was found this morning the body of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores .

Guardia contó que testigos los vieron juntos.

Guard said that witnesses saw them together. “La empleada del hotel no escuchó gritos, pero sí los vio ingresando juntos”, detalló.

"The hotel employee did not hear screams, but saw them entering together," he explained.

El padre de la víctima , el empresario y corredor de autos Ricardo Flores, también contó en entrevista a CNN que las cámaras del casino donde estuvieron antes de ir al hotel los registraron compartiendo la misma mesa en este establecimiento.

The victim's father , businessman and racer Ricardo Flores, also featured in an interview to CNN that the chambers of the casino where they were before going to the hotel, sharing the same table recorded in this establishment.

También reveló que en la camioneta de su hija se encontraron pastillas con las que el sujeto habría drogado a su hija, pero esta versión no fue confirmada por las autoridades.

He also revealed that his daughter's van was found with pills which the subject had drugged her daughter, but this version was not confirmed by authorities.


Necropsy MISSING
El jefe policial precisó que el día del crimen ambos jóvenes ingresaron a la habitación a las 8:45 am y cuatro horas después el holandés abandonó estas instalaciones.

The police chief said that the day had two young men entered the room at 8:45 am and four hours after the Dutchman left these facilities.

También dijo que todavía no se cuenta con el protocolo de necropsia, por lo que se desconocen las causas de la muerte.

He also said he still does not have the autopsy report, so unknown causes of death. Solo mencionó que el cadáver presenta una serie de escoriaciones en rostro y cuerpo. Only mentioned that the body has a number of abrasions on her face and body.

Guardia confirmó que Joran Van Der Sloot se encuentra en Chile . Guard confirmed that Joran Van Der Sloot is in Chile . “Estamos coordinando con autoridades de Chile (...) estamos gestionando la detención preliminar (...) hay que ubicarlo y capturarlo”, comentó.

"We are coordinating with authorities in Chile are managed (...) (...) preliminary detention is necessary to locate and capture," he said.

“Habría actuado solo”, agregó.

"It would have acted alone," he added.


http://elcomercio.pe/

[Cappuccino]

HLN primetime news covering it now, I'm sure JVM and NG will as well.   I'm curious how much Greta will cover it considering how much she was involved with the case & what Joran put her through.   I have a hard time tolerating a few personalities on HLN but I tune in to follow the cases with some Alka Seltzer at the ready.

Interpol just announced that they will provide for an easy extradiction, no official arrest warrant & his whereabouts in SA is not known right now.   Cops saying there is incriminating evidence aside from that the hotel room was in his name.

He's going down as the hotel stalker serial killer...it boils me that so many are not shocked by the news due to it being so obvious 5 years ago that he was a monster.   I have no doubts about his guilt then nor now, my only question is are there other victims we do not know about.   I remain livid with Aruba, as do so many of you.   

[Edward]

conflicting reports is the normal in this case...

But in South America conflicting news is also normal.
When traveling..
You can ask 10 people for directions to the same exact place and get 10 different answers..
You are better off knowing where you are going and have a map..

One thing is for sure.. People do not just cross borders without papers and or passports from any of the countries in South America.

In my opinion, They know where he is at.. No doubt in my mind about that.
He is probably sitting in some nice office at this moment and the people that have him will parade him for there one moment of fame and hope for fortune.
jmho

[Anna]

I think at this link it is saying there is a 21-page arrest warrant for Joran in Peru.

Is there or is there not yet and interenational warrant from Interpol?  One article said not yet but others have said there was one.

[carpe noctem]

yes, i'm reading in several places, people from Aruba posting that they hope Aruba can dodge this.

good luck.  ain't gonna happen.

They signed their death warrant by letting him walk... and then return home again, after all confessions.

F Aruba 1,000 percent.

[Rob]

One morte (LOL) point

This blood is all Aruba's.

You own it - Now LIVE with IT