Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[thirdstrike]

It kind of reminds me of O.J.  You knew he was guilty, and that someday he'd F'up again and be held to pay.  Seems the same thing is happening with JVDS.  Only thing is, now I think he may have violently murdered Natalee (instead of causing her death accidentally)...

[wingnut]

According to local police reports, Flores was found beaten and stabbed in a room booked in van der Sloot's name.

From Satish Kalpoe June 24, 2005 statement:
Also I can explain that there was a time that when I was with my brother Deepak and Joran and his father was also there, Joran said “if a body is found that we are in big trouble”.

PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:
I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.

Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee`s mom. I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car. Remember?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, absolutely.
GRACE: What happened?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

[Rob]

I forgot to mention -

TJ Ward on JVM 7 EST

Rob, is TJ Ward the guy from the radio station in Florida?

jill, Hi, you're thinking of TJ Hart. This is the private detective that was hired by Jug and Beth Twitty / Holloway for Natalee's case on Aruba. TJ Ward - http://www.tjwardpi.com/default.asp

[SunnyinTX]

One morte (LOL) point

This blood is all Aruba's.

You own it - Now LIVE with IT

Here Here!!  Live with it for eons!!

[texasmom]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/488718/hija-empresario-ricardo-flores-fue-hallada-muerta-hotel-miraflores

Spanish translation of some comments...

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Adhemar Argandoña (Adhemar)
I just want to say well to investigate the Netherlands and also was involved in the murder and disappearances of natlei hallomay in aruba as four years ago and came thanks to the pope who was a prosecutor here in this island have so far not his body encontardo america
June 2, 2010 8:34 Report
 
francis neumann (Franchise)
How crazy is that there would be any type. Confirmed that it is Joran Van der Sloot ... that kid is involved in the disappearance of a girl in Aruba five years ago, a case sonadísimo in the U.S., and is free thanks to influences. Poor girl: (
June 2, 2010 8:35 Report
 
Any RM (ladesiempre)
noo! I live in Holland and that name Dutchman "Joran van der sllot is well known here and for the wrong reasons .. this guy is involved in a murder in the Antilles and human trafficking in Thailand! That would be very suspicious ..
June 2, 2010 8:38 Report

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I am sick over this slimy pos (allegedly) killing another girl.

[MuffyBee]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7033533.html
Holloway suspect sought in Peru murder
June 2, 2010

 LIMA, Peru — A young Dutchman previously arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is the prime suspect in the weekend murder of a Peruvian woman, police said Wednesday.

Joran van der Sloot is being sought for Sunday's killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel, police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told a news conference. He said the suspect crossed into Chile the next day by bus.

The Dutch government said Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for van der Sloot.

Guardia said the 22-year-old Dutchman, in Peru for a poker tournament, appears with the young woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday and the two were later seen entering the hotel by one of its employees.

The victim's father, circus empresario and former race car driver Ricardo Flores, says his daughter dropped off some girlfriends at 2:35 a.m. then apparently returned to the casino. She and van der Sloot were seen entering the hotel room about 5 a.m., said Guardia, and the Dutchman departed alone about four hours later.

"We have an interview with a worker at the hotel who says she saw this foreigner with the victim enter his room," said Guardia.

Stephany Flores' body was found face down on the hotel room floor on Wednesday, abrasions on her face and body, and signs of trauma, the police general said. He said she was clothed.

Asked if she had been asphyxiated, Guardia said he was awaiting autopsy results for the exact cause of death.

The killing occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.

Van der Sloot left Peru on Monday by land, Guardia said, his exit registered at the Santa Rosa border crossing. He had been staying at the hotel since May 14, having entered on a flight from Colombia, the police general added.

The victim's father is a 48-year-old former president of the Peruvian Automobile Club who won the "Caminos del Inca" rally in 1991 and brings circuses and foreign entertainers to Peru. He ran for vice president in 2001 and for president five years later on fringe tickets.

Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for van der Sloot, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bengt van Loosdrecht told The Associated Press in The Netherlands.

He cited as his sources Peruvian police and the Dutch Embassy in Lima. The embassy's head of consular affairs, Angela Lowe, told the AP she could not comment on the case.

An attorney for van der Sloot in New York City, Joe Tacopina, said he did not know his client's whereabouts and has not been in touch with him since the Peru allegations emerged.

Tacopina cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested but later released for lack of evidence in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway, who was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island.

No trace of her has been found and van der Sloot remains the main suspect in the case, said Ann Angela, spokeswoman for the Aruba prosecutor's office.

"What's happening now is incredible," she said. "At this moment we don't have anything to do with it, but we are following the case with great interest and if Peruvian authorities would need us, we are here."

Van der Sloot's late father was a prominent judge in Aruba.

The mystery of Holloway's disappearance has garnered wide attention on television and in newspapers in Europe and the United States.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach, drunk.

He said believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty of Mountain Brook, Alabama, told the AP the family was aware of the development in Peru but would have no comment.

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Associated Press writers Carla Salazar in Lima, Frank Bajak in Bogota, Colombia, Michael Melia in San Juan and Toby Sterling in Amsterdam contributed to this report.

[Northern Rose]

Joran Van Der alleged of twin murder case: Peru girl and Holloway murder

Joran Van Der Sloot, who has been the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is now wanted for the murder of another woman, Stephany Flores Ramirez.

JORAN VAN Der Sloot, who has been the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is now wanted for the murder of another woman, Stephany Flores Ramirez. Police said, the body of the Stephany Ramirez Flores, 21, was found Tuesday May 30, in a hotel Miraflores district in Lima, Peru.

Joran Van Der Sloot and Ms Ramírez were reported to visit a casino before the murder, and security camera images reputedly showed the couple leaving it together. The police have found Van der Sloot’s footprints from the hotel. According to Peruvian immigration officials, Van der Sloot entered Peru on May 14 from Colombia and left the country Monday at the border crossing with Chile.

The 22-year-old man, Joran Van Der Sloot, the Dutch national who was twice arrested and released in connection with the disappearance of an 18-year-old American student Holloway, who went missing in Aruba five years ago this week.

A spokeswoman for the office of the prosecutor in Aruba, confirmed that an Interpol international arrest warrant issued against Joran Van Der Sloot in connection with the murder of 21-year-old Peru girl. The victim, Stephany Flores, was the daughter of a local businessman and race car driver named Ricardo Flores.

http://www.merinews.com/article/joran-van-der-alleged-of-twin-murder-case-peru-girl-and-holloway-murder/15819993.shtml

[Rob]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006579-504083.html


Crimesider has been told that an Aruban prosecutor described van der Sloot as being on the run, but we have been unable to independently confirm it.


Early Wednesday morning, Stephany Flores Ramirez, 21, was found dead in a hotel room in Peru located on the avenue Miraflores district of Lima, Peruvian newspaper El Comercio reports. According to police reports, the girl was brutally stabbed and was found wrapped in a blanket in a pool of blood.

Considering Joran sealed his fate when he did not make any attempt to dispose of Sephany's body convinces me that it was Paulus who took over when "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  In other words ... Joran did not have the guts.

IMO

Janet

it more than proves Paulus' involvement and he wasn't around this time.

[MuffyBee]

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I am sick over this slimy pos (allegedly) killing another girl.

Thanks for all you do with pics and albums.  Your work is appreciated. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/06/02/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1


But van der Sloot's attorney, Josephm Tacopin, told CNN it was too early to make any conclusions.


"If history teaches us any lesson from van der Sloot/Holloway case, it's that there have been way too many false facts that have been leaked and rumors that have been proven untrue," Tacopin said. "We need to take a step back. I have not been contacted and the family has not been contacted. Joran has not been asked by anyone to surrender."

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You know CNN`s editors are normally pretty good... but they seem sloppy today.

LOL

LOL...false facts

Sorry, I am way behind..& Taco is a big one   

[can]

Posted at RU - translated video:

pausebreak  PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:41 pm         

Dirincri Chief reported that there are witnesses who saw them entering the hotel where he was found dead. Aún no se confirma causas del deceso Still not confirmed cause of death

Dirincri chief Gen. Cesar Guardia, said moments ago at a press conference that is coordinating with Interpol Chile preliminary detention of citizens Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot (23).

Esto debido a que, según las primeras investigaciones, el sujeto fue visto ingresando con Stephany Flores (21) a su cuarto de hotel el último 30 de mayo.

This is because, according to preliminary investigations, the subject was seen entering with Stephany Flores (21) to his hotel room last May 30.

En dicho lugar fue hallado esta mañana el cadáver de la hija del empresario Ricardo Flores .

In such a place was found this morning the body of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores .

Guardia contó que testigos los vieron juntos.

Guard said that witnesses saw them together. “La empleada del hotel no escuchó gritos, pero sí los vio ingresando juntos”, detalló.

"The hotel employee did not hear screams, but saw them entering together," he explained.

El padre de la víctima , el empresario y corredor de autos Ricardo Flores, también contó en entrevista a CNN que las cámaras del casino donde estuvieron antes de ir al hotel los registraron compartiendo la misma mesa en este establecimiento.

The victim's father , businessman and racer Ricardo Flores, also featured in an interview to CNN that the chambers of the casino where they were before going to the hotel, sharing the same table recorded in this establishment.

También reveló que en la camioneta de su hija se encontraron pastillas con las que el sujeto habría drogado a su hija, pero esta versión no fue confirmada por las autoridades.

He also revealed that his daughter's van was found with pills which the subject had drugged her daughter, but this version was not confirmed by authorities.


Necropsy MISSING
El jefe policial precisó que el día del crimen ambos jóvenes ingresaron a la habitación a las 8:45 am y cuatro horas después el holandés abandonó estas instalaciones.

The police chief said that the day had two young men entered the room at 8:45 am and four hours after the Dutchman left these facilities.

También dijo que todavía no se cuenta con el protocolo de necropsia, por lo que se desconocen las causas de la muerte.

He also said he still does not have the autopsy report, so unknown causes of death. Solo mencionó que el cadáver presenta una serie de escoriaciones en rostro y cuerpo. Only mentioned that the body has a number of abrasions on her face and body.

Guardia confirmó que Joran Van Der Sloot se encuentra en Chile . Guard confirmed that Joran Van Der Sloot is in Chile . “Estamos coordinando con autoridades de Chile (...) estamos gestionando la detención preliminar (...) hay que ubicarlo y capturarlo”, comentó.

"We are coordinating with authorities in Chile are managed (...) (...) preliminary detention is necessary to locate and capture," he said.

“Habría actuado solo”, agregó.

"It would have acted alone," he added.


http://elcomercio.pe/

two young men entered the room @ 8:45 a. m. and Joran left four hours later?????
Who was this young man?  Did he assist Joran in leaving the country?!

[Ono]

HLN primetime news covering it now, I'm sure JVM and NG will as well.   I'm curious how much Greta will cover it considering how much she was involved with the case & what Joran put her through.   I have a hard time tolerating a few personalities on HLN but I tune in to follow the cases with some Alka Seltzer at the ready.

Interpol just announced that they will provide for an easy extradiction, no official arrest warrant & his whereabouts in SA is not known right now.   Cops saying there is incriminating evidence aside from that the hotel room was in his name.

He's going down as the hotel stalker serial killer...it boils me that so many are not shocked by the news due to it being so obvious 5 years ago that he was a monster.   I have no doubts about his guilt then nor now, my only question is are there other victims we do not know about.   I remain livid with Aruba, as do so many of you.   

It's truly horrendous & Aruba is still revolting-even moreso, if that's possible.

[Rob]

Lot's of quick convos with TJ tonight. I didn't even know this happened. I'm doing my civic duty - jury duty. LOL

Anyway - he alerted me around 4 pm and he has been gathering all kinds of info - I don't know what he knows yet and the case is brand spankin' new - so we will see in 13 minutes when he is on JVM.

He knew that Joran had passed thru Chile and on his way to Argentina - and he will surely have something interesting ...

Hi Sunny!!

[Lifesong]

Joran and Stephanie had only been at the hotel for four hours when the Dutch boy absconded Peru. Joran checked out of the hotel room in which Stephany's body would later be found three days later, on Wednesday, June 2.

But Joran did not immediately leave Peru. Instead, he exited the country around 1:42 p.m. in the afternoon on Monday, May 31, according to official reports.

This confuses me.  Murdered on the 30th and not found for 3 days?  At first I thought maybe he had the room booked until the 2nd and that's why no one bothered to enter it .. but this says he "checked out."

And he hung around Peru for a day?  IMO - He's not new to covering up a murder or getting away with one.  So those things just sound strange to me ...

So, he didn't leave Peru until 1:42 that afternoon...

Sounds to me like just about enough time to get ahold of Anita and have her get some money wired to him, no?

[can]

Lot's of quick convos with TJ tonight. I didn't even know this happened. I'm doing my civic duty - jury duty. LOL

Anyway - he alerted me around 4 pm and he has been gathering all kinds of info - I don't know what he knows yet and the case is brand spankin' new - so we will see in 13 minutes when he is on JVM.

He knew that Joran had passed thru Chile and on his way to Argentina - and he will surely have something interesting ...

Hi Sunny!!

Thanks Rob!

[BUCKSHOT]

Wonder if he has called home to Momma yet?

[jill]

I forgot to mention -

TJ Ward on JVM 7 EST

Rob, is TJ Ward the guy from the radio station in Florida?

jill, Hi, you're thinking of TJ Hart. This is the private detective that was hired by Jug and Beth Twitty / Holloway for Natalee's case on Aruba. TJ Ward - http://www.tjwardpi.com/default.asp

ok, thanks Rob.  Hard to keep everyone straight.

[texasmom]

Thanks Rob!  

I missed some earlier snippets from HLN when DH absconded with the remote and had changed it to the Western channel while I was busy posting!  UGGHHH

It won't happen again (hehe), I look forward to TJ on JVM!

[Kermit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKP1W5B7OOI