Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[klaasend]

I didn't have this link

http://themorningnewsaruba.com/

[Magnolia]

I think that Mum in Ohio is trying to give herself way too much credit.

Since Anonimo made the post in December 2007, I think she only copied and pasted them on March 1, 2009.

She is just being hateful, as usual. 

[Lifesong]

I think that Mum in Ohio is trying to give herself way too much credit.

Since Anonimo made the post in December 2007, I think she only copied and pasted them on March 1, 2009.

She is just being hateful, as usual. 

Eh, I think its a veiled accusation at me, since I found the posts from Anonimo on the front page and brought them to the forum.  I haven't gone back and looked at the date I did it, don't really care.  I was doing my own research and certainly NOT copying anyone else.  I don't do that.

Whatever.

Some people are entirely too worried about credit.

[Tamikosmom]

As I read this, MUM is admitting that she is the one who made the Anonimo posts on the front page of SM.




If that is the case, is she also admitting that she lives in Aruba?  Or is Mum going to claim she was simply visiting Aruba when she posted as Anonimo?  Wouldn't that make her a troll?

Anonimo IP

I used the SM search engine and ... attempted to locate Mum's posting of either of Anonimo's Front Page comments.  I could not find them.

However ... if Mum had made the connection in March, 2009 between Anonimo and CAPS ... why did she continue to uphold CAPS?  Anonimo's comments leave no doubt that he/she is a troll ... part of the misinformation campaign to undermine Beth Holloway and ... an attempt to distract from the truth.

Janet
 

[Lifesong]

I think that Mum in Ohio is trying to give herself way too much credit.

Since Anonimo made the post in December 2007, I think she only copied and pasted them on March 1, 2009.

She is just being hateful, as usual. 

Eh, I think its a veiled accusation at me, since I found the posts from Anonimo on the front page and brought them to the forum.  I haven't gone back and looked at the date I did it, don't really care.  I was doing my own research and certainly NOT copying anyone else.  I don't do that.

Whatever.

Some people are entirely too worried about credit.

As I recall, the dark lard was one of those.  Doesn't at all surprise me if others around him are as well.

[Tamikosmom]

I think that Mum in Ohio is trying to give herself way too much credit.

Since Anonimo made the post in December 2007, I think she only copied and pasted them on March 1, 2009.

She is just being hateful, as usual. 

Eh, I think its a veiled accusation at me, since I found the posts from Anonimo on the front page and brought them to the forum.  I haven't gone back and looked at the date I did it, don't really care.  I was doing my own research and certainly NOT copying anyone else.  I don't do that.

Whatever.

Some people are entirely too worried about credit.

Re: ANONIMO AKA CAPSLOCKWIZARD
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4722.0

Front Page Postings

I. Background - Caps first FP post, he makes this comment on the 12/20 posting for Dana's show.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/

#14. CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 5:30 pm:

I do think that we all got it wrong..
If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking.
CapslockWizard
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SM: Yes, good thinking and I have wondered about that myself. There is a cemetary not far from the Sloot home (klaasend)

#15.  CapslockWizard on December 21st, 2007 6:05 pm:

The Cemetary that are controlled by the churches and supervised are only 2, the one in San Nicholaas and the other is Santa Cruz

II.  This is where it gets hinky. - The next night.  Anonimo - CapsLockWizard

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;
I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.
Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.
I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.
As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case. You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?
Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.
There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.
Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.
I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.
But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?
The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.
The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.
Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.
Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.
Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?
“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”
How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.
If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.
Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.
Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.
This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.
Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something
A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?
Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????
The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question
IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?
Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.
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SM:
Mr. Anonimo, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/quotes
One doesn’t even know where to begin where trying to use reason and logic with what a 4th grader writes.
rambling, incoherent response :But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.
If one had a brain, one would know that many marriages and relationships crumble under the stress and strain of a missing or murdered child.
http://www.scdyoung.ie/iopen24/pub/when_a_child_diesfinal.pdf
The above rantings have been consistently put out there by those that hate. Please do not embarrass yourself with utter stupidity.
We know know the following to be fact:
1. The suspects discussed prior to going out on the internet what they had intended to do that night. Because as we already knew, 3 boys who have admittedly done in 20 times before, do not go to C&C’s 1/2 hr prior to closing except to corner a girl to have their way with her.
2. One of the suspects, who was 1 of the 3 people last seen with Natalee Holloway, referred to Natalee in the past tense as being dead 5 hours after NH was last ever seen.
OK Sherlock, you do the math. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, unless you are a part of of ALE.
This scenario has happened God knows how many times in the US and in ever case the suspect last known seen with the victim was GUILTY!
R

# 26  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm

Why not answer the questions?

#27  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm

We all know what the alleged perps did and now let see the other side of the million…a coin has two side

#29  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:51 pm

Wel let see where we learn today from the criminals of the wolrd.. who make the guns? which one is more corrupt Democrat or Republicans..Let see on Wall Street who is more Corrupt… The watch CNN, CNBC, FOX etc down there…
The Arubans know what is going on but , yes there is a but… They learn from the states, from the Latins. etc. they see the world in an international way… not nacional..most of them watch CNN for news

#31  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:56 pm

and it is 3 internatioal perp that came to settle down to stir the peace…again, the moment a girls is lost or missing in the US they know…and the whole Island is interconnected to the Internet. and well educated…but like I said before… money is the source of corroption and deceid and extorcion. so do not forget this.. A million and nobody go for it…very rare indeed. while the whole island play Lotto florida and New York Lottery.

#39.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:33 am

ok maybe Aruba laws is not perfect. What so is the Law In China and other part of the world. OJ Simpson got awy with murder becuase of the glove did not fit. so he could not done it… so let look at the similairities and Marc furman…etc
I watched on TV in New York and we all was in desbelieve live went one and he went on with his live till recent incident
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SM: There is a vast difference between an imperfect legal system and a corrupt one. Learn the difference. That is your home work for today. Your sophomoric comparison is actually painful to even attempt to understand. Do you even have any comprehension what happened in the OJ trial? You mean to tell me that the judge of instruction in Aruba let three criminal suspects off because the Dutch and people from Suriname have been taken advantage of by the Aruban legal system and this was Aruba’s form of jury nullification? Get a clue as to what you are talking about before you actually post, please.
R

#41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am

I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds was is now merge and no one seems to know where it is… so be patient and we shall see.
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SM: Logic, huh? LOL … now that’s humorous.
I guess you missed this picture, conveniently enough.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg
Fool, the family is not on trial … we all know who committed the crime against Natalee …

#43  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:27 am

ok lets look at the side of the perps.
Question. If you want to take out a girl to get laid, where would you go to do it knowing she has a roomate in he room? answer please

#44  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:30 am

also knowing that they have money and well dress for the night.

#48.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 4:19 am

I think I figured it all out but I am missing a peace of information… on what roud or rout did the father pickup joran and what is the town that joram live..

#71 Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

This is my analysis about the disappearing and the events on that day. There are two possible scenarios that will fit a logic question.
The Logic question is “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it and at the same time lose my shoes?”  <<Snipped this very, very long post, click here to read the whole thing - Comment #71.

#73  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 2:38 am

To Katablog, maybe you are so stupid that you do not se that I am trying to help. you are so absorb in your little peabean that you have no clue about the case.. First you need to be there to talk and see thing for your self… behinde that screen you can rumble and rumble and noting will get done… any Ideas overlook should be looked at… and this is what I am Doing now. I will go do someting about it…
What are you going to do someting..I flow down and I am here … researching what not even a private investigater did over looked.

# 75  Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 3:03 am

By the way, they neveer search the area I have pinted out to Zion and from the map it seems that for some reason they concentrated in the wrong area.. The places are very close from Joran Home… The problem is that these kid played the investigators so well and by using the tacktic I will cooperate with you by desiving you method. They used the term I did not lie to you but you is the one that did believe me technique. and since his Fatheer was a Judge the Investigator played by there tune.
Anyway more to come….

#76  Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am

I think I solve the mystery in this whole case.

#77 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am

To 10061906, you mention some places and from this I can determined that you do not know not a thing about aruba.. you could have said the Light House so that i could have prove you wrong…but anyway all your answers are wrong.

#78 Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

I need the email for Beth Twitty, Does any one has her email address.
Thnks

[Tamikosmom]

I used the SM search engine and ... attempted to locate Mum's posting of either of Anonimo's Front Page comments.  I could not find them.

However ... if Mum had made the connection in March, 2009 between Anonimo and CAPS ... why did she continue to uphold CAPS?  Anonimo's comments leave no doubt that he/she is a troll ... part of the misinformation campaign to undermine Beth Holloway and ... an attempt to distract from the truth.

Janet
 

MumInOhio did not required the exposure in Kyle Kingman's own words exposing the John Silvetti deception to reach the conclusion that CAPS was placed on the forum as a distaction from the truth.

In the beginning Mum made a sincere attempt to figure out what CAPS was all about but ... his changing theories and ... his lack of response to questions directed to him on the forum ... his flawed research ... caused her to doubt.

In May, 2008 ...  Mum made the decision to get off the CAPS bandwagon and ... then at some period of time throughout the summer ... she hopped right back on.

I sincerely wanted to comprehend what Mum learned that changed her mind but ... she refused to reveal to me why she backtracked.

Janet

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A DOUBTING MUM - MAY, 2008


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »

SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »

SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »

SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »

... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »

SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »

SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »

Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072


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[klaasend]

Muminohio's last post at SM was January 16, 2009.  She was no longer participating at SM and was joining in on the bashing of SM at GM so in April 2009 she was banned.

[Tamikosmom]

TAMIKOSMOM - A PITBULL??

MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.  However ... you eventually  backtracked and embrace CAPS once again.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know why?

Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481



MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

[Magnolia]

I think that Mum in Ohio is trying to give herself way too much credit.

Since Anonimo made the post in December 2007, I think she only copied and pasted them on March 1, 2009.

She is just being hateful, as usual. 

Eh, I think its a veiled accusation at me, since I found the posts from Anonimo on the front page and brought them to the forum.  I haven't gone back and looked at the date I did it, don't really care.  I was doing my own research and certainly NOT copying anyone else.  I don't do that.

Whatever.

Some people are entirely too worried about credit.

Mum and the Dark Lard always did want way too much credit for their "research". 
Rather selfish of them IMO.  The rest of us just share what we figure out....which isn't much in my case.

[Tamikosmom]

Assuming CAPS and ANONIMO were one ... I speculated that CAPS may have been Gerold Dompig.

Janet

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ANOMIMO

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#27  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm
We all know what the alleged perps did and now let see the other side of the million…a coin has two side

#41.  Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am
I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


GEROLD DOMPIG

DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): ... Dompig explains that the Task Force of Aruba, along with the government gave him the OK for him to go on the American live programs, but via telephone, for him to give the other side of the coin to what has happened and is happening with this case.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html

The following is another reason that speculated that CAPS/ANOMIMO could possibly be Gerold Dompig.

Janet

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ANONIMO/CAPS

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


JUG TWITTY

Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

TWITTY: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

[MisGivings]

I'm having issues with the translator at the moment.  But it looks like Eric Zaandam has had a stroke.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/17611-ex-presidente-di-spa-a-haya-stroke-na-trabou.html



Ex-Presidente di SPA a haya stroke na trabou      

Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:42
 

E ex-presidente di Sindicato di Polis, esta inspector Eric Zaandam a haya un stroke na trabou. Publico para wardando rijbewijs na e oficina bieuw di warda di Polis na Santa Cruz a conta cu diripiente ela bira malo y cu ambulance a transporte cu urgencia pa hospitaal. Pronto recuperacion na Eric Zaandam.

Lord knows it wasn't a stroke of genius...

[Kermit]

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[2NJSons_Mom]

Muminohio's last post at SM was January 16, 2009.  She was no longer participating at SM and was joining in on the bashing of SM at GM so in April 2009 she was banned.

I had found this, as well, because that March 1, 2009 date mentioned in Mum's post made me curious.  I had noticed she'd mentioned me looking at her profile at some point in time back then.  I have to laugh because the only time I recall doing so was because I remembered her as having posted something and it turned out to be someone else....AND, I did spend a lot of time trying to understand her research and even tried to help....what was I thinking?

My thoughts went along with Magnolia's and Lifesong's....

[Kermit]

Doo-Doo-IN-OHIO

Please use a shovel to clean up after yourself. Thank you.
 


 

[Sharon/Tx]

[quote author=texasmom
As strongly as I feel about NOT going to Aruba until this case is resolved, I don't judge you at all for doing what you did Sharon/Tx!  As a mother, I understand perfectly why you needed to go.  Thanks so much for sharing!
 



[/quote]  Texasmom, I read you and respect you a lot so that means the world to me.  Natalee could have been any of our daughters.  It was very surreal and sad being there for me.  Keep up the great investigating and work you do. My daughter just called and it's a girl with all her fingers and toes and a great heartbeat - thank you God!  I just cannot imagine not knowing where my daughter is and if she is OK or not, dead or alive, being hurt, etc.  As Joran's friends grow older and get married, have babies, etc., I pray that one of them will have the decency and integrity to tell what they know so that this family's pain and torture ends and the cloud over Aruba is lifted.  Thanks again, Texasmom!

 

[texasmom]

I'm having issues with the translator at the moment.  But it looks like Eric Zaandam has had a stroke.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/17611-ex-presidente-di-spa-a-haya-stroke-na-trabou.html



Ex-Presidente di SPA a haya stroke na trabou      

Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:42
 

E ex-presidente di Sindicato di Polis, esta inspector Eric Zaandam a haya un stroke na trabou. Publico para wardando rijbewijs na e oficina bieuw di warda di Polis na Santa Cruz a conta cu diripiente ela bira malo y cu ambulance a transporte cu urgencia pa hospitaal. Pronto recuperacion na Eric Zaandam.

Lord knows it wasn't a stroke of genius...

He died.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/17651-eric-zaandam-a-fayece.html

Eric Zaandam a fayece      
Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:02
 
Despues di un lucha cortico pero intensivo pa su bida, e conocido polis, ex-sindicalista Eric Zaandam a fayece, na edad di 58 anja. El a sufri un atake celebral ayeramainta na su trabou y cu urgencia a transporte pa hospitaal. Eynan dr. Falconi a haci tur esfuerso pero su condicion a sigui bay atras cu consequencia cu awemainta despues di 9or ela perde e bataya den e lucha pa su bida. Eric Zaandam a sirbi Cuerpo Policial pa mas di 30 anja largo y su ultimo funcion tabata di Inspector y hefe di seccion di Rijbewijs na Warda di Polis bieuw na Santa Cruz. Ela bay laga atras su senjora, dos yui muher, un yui homber y un nieto. Cu Eric Zaandam sosega na paz!

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Spanish translation:

Eric Zaandam to fayece
Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:02
 
After a fight di pa cortico-intensive but its bida, and called cops, ex-unionist to fayece Eric Zaandam, na di 58 anja age. The suffering to a ayeramainta Celebral Atake na its trabou and emergency transport cu pa Hospitaal. Eynan dr. Haci tur Falconi' extra effort but his condition at bay behind sigui cu cu awemainta consequence after ela perde e di 9or bataya den e bida pa his fight. Eric Zaandam to sirbi Police Force 30 anja di pa but length and its past performance and Hefe Inspector tabata di di di Rijbewijs section Warda di Polis na na bieuw Santa Cruz. Ela laga bay behind his Senjora two muher yui, yui Hombo and one grandson. Eric Zaandam na Cu calm peace!

[texasmom]

[quote author=texasmom
As strongly as I feel about NOT going to Aruba until this case is resolved, I don't judge you at all for doing what you did Sharon/Tx!  As a mother, I understand perfectly why you needed to go.  Thanks so much for sharing!
 

  Texasmom, I read you and respect you a lot so that means the world to me.  Natalee could have been any of our daughters.  It was very surreal and sad being there for me.  Keep up the great investigating and work you do. My daughter just called and it's a girl with all her fingers and toes and a great heartbeat - thank you God!  I just cannot imagine not knowing where my daughter is and if she is OK or not, dead or alive, being hurt, etc.  As Joran's friends grow older and get married, have babies, etc., I pray that one of them will have the decency and integrity to tell what they know so that this family's pain and torture ends and the cloud over Aruba is lifted.  Thanks again, Texasmom!

 
[/quote]

That's great news Sharon/Tx!   

And I agree with you, SOMEBODY KNOWS, and I pray too that one day they'll do the right thing.

 

[Tamikosmom]

Sharon/Tx

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Grandkids?  It does not get better.

   

Janet

[Blonde]

Last month, I went to Aruba.  My daughter and her new husband were invited to his cousin's wedding at the Marriot there.  I begged her not to go there for her honeymoon and then again not to go to this wedding.  My friends and family know how deeply I care about Natalee and her family but then my daughter won $2,000 toward any rental on VRBO and she chose a home in Aruba near Palm Beach.  I had an empty feeling in my stomach when I knew she was going.  The scarier thing was that she is 3 months pregnant and high risk.  She already lost one baby a few months ago.  She takes lovenox shots in her tummy and had to fly with needles.  They were determined to go and promised to be safe.  The $2,000 covered the home and 2 air fares....... I felt hopeless.  My daughter had asked another couple to go but they backed out.  This was when she invited my husband and I to go.  I cannot tell you how scared and nervous I was.  I felt like I was betraying the Holloways in some way but then my daughter said "what would Natalee's parents want you to do?"  All I could think of was that I had to be there for my daughter medically in case anything happened. 

Landing in Aruba reminded me of Cozumel.  You leave the airport and head along the coast towards Eagle Beach and Palm Beach.  There are some small yachts in the basin on the left and I spot Senor Frogs.  I cannot help but be sad thinking this is the route Natalee took.  Eagle Beach is the area with the low rises.  The water is crystal blue and clear like Antigua or Tortola.  There is always a breeze.  Palm Beach is where the Holiday Inn is and the Marriot.  We find our house across from the Aruban Racquet club.  There is a marsh behind it and I watch the fishermen move crab traps.  We ate at Moombas and I chatted with the bartender about Joran...... and if he still hangs out there?  "No - he is banned."  I knew that was a lie, we saw his pic there in March.  I can see the Holiday Inn door steps away.  I asked if he was there when "the girl went missing."  He said no and basically smirked and said "no body - no case" as we talked about Natalee.    I watched as he and the other guys that worked there whistled and played for the girl's attention.  All inclusive wrist bands are seen everywhere and everyone is drinking.  We leave and drive to Arashi beach and watch the sunset.  It is right near the lighthouse.  It was eery up there and desolate.  The sunset was beautiful and then we spot the lit up Tatoo and hear the music and partiers.  I later find out from someone on the Tatoo that night that everyone was smoking pot and drunk.  We keep the hurricane shutters down on the house as we sleep.  I feel an eerieness here that I cannot explain.  I worry about the internet being safe and cannot stop thinking about Natalee.  No one wants to talk about her or Paulus' death.  We went to De Palm Island for a day of snorkeling.  This is another all inclusive place where drinks are free flowing.  The next day we drove all the way south to Baby Beach.  We saw the prison.  Everytime I look out at the water, I think where is Natalee.  It saddened me.  The wedding on the beach at the Marriot was beautiful, and when we left at 1am, we almost got hit by a drunk driver that screeched and spun out of control in front of us.  I never felt like they (most workers we came in contact with) bent over backwards to be hospitable.  Before we left on Sunday, we stopped at the open air market and talked with the locals.  One very sweet lady and I talked for a while about Natalee.  She feels like we do - "there is family in the government covering up for that boy."  I felt sorry for her and the people trying to make a dime.  I said a final prayer as I looked out on the ocean and begged God to give the Holloways answers.  Even if people go to Aruba, there will always be that shadow of a doubt and the concern that something else bad could happen in this so called paradise.  No one ever checked my daughter's carry on or her needles.  The house and wedding were beautiful, especially being with my daughter  Would I go back?  Probably not.  The air fare is expensive and we had to fly from Houston to North Carolina and then to Aruba.  Until Natalee is found, I do believe this black cloud will always be over Aruba.  I do feel sorry for the locals and the government they look up to for honesty and integrity. Money, money, money.  Integrity is worth so much more than money.  I love you Monkeys and feel terrible that I went but do not regret being there for my daughter.  Today, God willing we find out the sex of her baby.  There is power in prayer and I will never stop praying for the Holloways in their search for their daughter.  God bless the person that finally comes forward with answers.  They will you know......... some day.  Loose lips sink ships.  Thanks for listening.

As strongly as I feel about NOT going to Aruba until this case is resolved, I don't judge you at all for doing what you did Sharon/Tx!  As a mother, I understand perfectly why you needed to go.  Thanks so much for sharing!
 

I too As a mother I understand perfectly why you needed to go. I would have to go to protect my family.
I would have a knife on me just in case.Trust me I would use it if I had too..