Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[Tamikosmom]

Was Stnley Zaandam's book ever published?

Janet

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STANLEY ZAANDAM

Police Union president confirms that Holloway case investigation has officially stopped Until the government explains what exactly the role of the new prosecutor will be.
DIARIO Aruba
12/13/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the police union (SPA) held a press conference to clear up certain matters that are still pending with the police force. According to SPA president Eric Zaandam, there are some things that are going in a troublesome route and because of this he felt it would be good to hold a press conference.

According to Zaandam, he noted that letters that were sent to the police force, to indicate that certain persons cannot speak with the press anymore, etc. Also, in the Public Prosecutor’s Office, certain people cannot speak to the press, which makes everything fall upon the police force, on its employees.

According to the SPA president, it is now enough and they have to explain to the press what is taking place, so that the press can see what is going on.

Zaandam said that he wants to elaborate on the matter of Commissioner Dompig, where he has been prohibited from speaking to the press and that the Minister of Justice said that Dompig speaks too much with the press and because of this he has forbidden him from doing so.

According to Zaandam, 2 months ago Dompig was approached by AHATA’s CEO, who is a member of the Communications Task Force, Jorge Pesquera, to become spokesperson of the task force.

The reason was that a few consultancy companies in the US showed that the message on the part of Aruba was not reaching in a clear and strong manner internationally using the spokespersons that they were using.

The consultancy companies counseled the Task Force to get a person who knows the legal process and knows about investigations in Aruba and so they decided to approach Dompig to do this.

The arrangement for Dompig’s interviews was that all questions that were to be asked of Dompig, among others for the magazine ‘Vanity Fair’, were first screened by the consultancy companies so that Commissioner Dompig could give the appropriate answers. All this took place according rules and wording, with the Prime Minister’s knowledge who gave the OK for this.

Now that everything has come out in Vanity Fair and that the American producers have come out with another strategy to attack Aruba, all of a sudden Dompig has become a person who speaks too much.

The Minister of Justice came into the game, as if there was no communication between the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice, and now all the press knows that the Minister of Justice prohibited Commissioner Dompig from speaking.

These dirty games are unacceptable, according to Zaadam, who said that, for example, no one from the Task Force has come forward to say that they gave Commissioner Dompig the OK themselves, and that they have screened everything and that all was done in a correct manner.

The Prime Minister also can come forward to say that the Minister of Justice was at fault for prohibiting Dompig from speaking. This, according to Zaandam, who said that he wants to bring this type of thing forward to show how the police is being played by all other institutions.

All these games are for one sole objective that is unacceptable for the police, where for example prosecutor Karen Janssen was also prohibited to speak. After some time, now the Minister of Justice has expressed that prosecutor Angela from Curaçao has come to Aruba to conduct an investigation of the team of investigators.

According to the SPA president, Angela has come to Aruba to do this and not to assist in the investigation. This cannot be, according to Zaandam, who said that there can never be and investigation in an investigation.

After that SPA met with the team of investigators, they agreed that they are going to have everything on hold, until they are able to find out exactly what prosecutor Angela has come to do in Aruba. When they asked chief prosecutor Karen Janssen what prosecutor Angela came to do in Aruba, she said that she doesn’t know, that it’s something she can’t.

Prosecutor Angela hasn’t been in contact with the investigative team either, about for example, certain documents that he has related to the case, to see in detail what is taking place.

According to Zaandam, prosecutor Angela is sitting in an office at the Attorney General’s, is looking at the investigation files, which is something that cannot take place, and because of this they have stopped the investigation of the case, temporarily. Zaandam said that he realizes that this is a very troublesome decision, but it will be taken until they find more clarity about this.

He continued to say that now the American Senate has asked for more information on the case of Holloway and the intention of the government to send Arlene Schipper and Commissioner Dolfi Richardson to Washington.

Zaandam said that this is after three Commissioners that they added to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This way people’s attention is diverted.

This, according to the SPA president, who said that it is a public secret that there is a problem between the Attorney General and chief prosecutor Karen Janssen, and this is just something that cannot go on in the police force. According to Zaandam, he wants to avoid any division within the police force, that they government and others are trying to create.

First there was the supposed clash between Commissioner van der Straten and Commissioner Dompig, where van der Straten retired and things calmed down. Now Dompig took over the case, where they involved Dolfi Richardson in the game, to see if there was a clash.

SPA advised the two Commissioners that there is no clash in the police force and they expressed together that they are behind the investigative team, that they are together in this and that they speak together in respect to the team and the case. It is clear that if there is a separate power who wants to divide this team, they can forget about it.

According to Zaandam, the investigative team is doing a tremendous job and this has also been expressed by the Dutch colleagues, who were also in Aruba for the investigation.

These Dutch experts expressed in an FBI magazine that they could not have done a better job than the Aruban investigative team, however the Minister of Justice indicated that there will be an investigation of the investigative team, on the part of prosecutor Angela (whom he has respect for, according to Zaandam), who has barely 2 years as prosecutor, compared to the 15/16 years of experience of the prosecution’s office.

According to Zaandam, it’s best if they brought a prosecutor or expert from Holland, for example, who has a lit of experience in this area, for them to come do their investigation.

Zaandam said that the police of Aruba even listened to the FBI agents in Aruba speaking to their superiors in the US, saying what a good job the Aruban investigators are doing and do with the resources they have.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/13/2005 11:56:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_getagripmonkey_archive.html
 

[Blonde]

[Tamikosmom]

It appears that Stanley Zaandam was privy to the truth very early on in the so-called Aruban investigation into the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

STANLEY ZAANDAM

AUGUST, 2006

Eric Zaandam - President Police Union, Aruban television 8/28/06

Now, information are coming out that Jan v/d Straatten was indeed investigated and had telephone conversations with people about the case that he should not have contacts with, or even talk about the case.


Rudy Croes - Minister of Justice - Top 95 radio 8/28/06

Aruban Minister of Justice Mr. Rudy Croes, in relationship with the Natalee Holloway investigation, revealed a very serious information in direction of Van der Straaten.

Minister Croes revealed that he knows about various telephone calls of Van der Straaten and that he, the minister, knows with whom Van der Straaten was talking to ...

<snipped>

Natalee’s Freebirds

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg287560;topicseen#msg287560


DECEMBER, 2008

Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation.

[Tamikosmom]

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Think about the words of Anonimo's comments which were submitted to the FP a month prior to Cap's first post on the SM forum.  Those words perfectly conform with the misinformation campaign ... the misinformation campaign that was meant to distact from the truth by despicably undermining the credibility of the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway.

Mum admit in the following GM post that she and others knew about the Anonimo/Caps connection in March, 2009.  Yet ... Caps was still "the man" and ... he was followed to GM and C&G.  Why?

Janet

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MumInOhio
Re: To Scared Monkeys...
« Reply #450 on: Today at 01:59:55 PM »

Lalas...Lifesong posted those posts at SM in March of 2009, around the date that klaas was shocked. Of course some of us had already decided on March 1st 2009 who the poster was. March 2009, I recall lots of screen shots and recent IP posts from around that time. Jeez...Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out they were tracking us around the internet and especially at SM! The proof is in their posts.

http://goldmonkey.org/

[Tamikosmom]

Muminohio's last post at SM was January 16, 2009.  She was no longer participating at SM and was joining in on the bashing of SM at GM so in April 2009 she was banned.

Mum was not banned until April, 2009.  She had over one month after learning of the Anonimo/Capslockwizard connection to return to the cage and ... concede that she had been deceived by the great distractor but ... she didn't.  Why?

Janet

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

[Tamikosmom]

Prior to submitting his first post to the SM forum on January 18, 2008 ... Caps had submitted comments to the SM Front Page under the nic ANONIMO.  It makes sense if Anonimo is part of the misinformation campaign to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... then so is CAPSLOCKWIZARD.

Janet

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Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating
Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

Comments

22.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.

Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.

I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.

As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case. You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?

Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.

There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.

Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.

I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.

Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?

The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.

The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.

Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.
Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.
Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?
“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”
How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.

If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.

Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.

Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.

This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,

or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?
Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.


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41. Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am

I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds was is now merge and no one seems to know where it is… so be patient and we shall see.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

BUMPED!!

[klaasend]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

Thanks TM, so young.

[klaasend]

Muminohio's last post at SM was January 16, 2009.  She was no longer participating at SM and was joining in on the bashing of SM at GM so in April 2009 she was banned.

Mum was not banned until April, 2009.  She had over one month after learning of the Anonimo/Capslockwizard connection to return to the cage and ... concede that she had been deceived by the great distractor but ... she didn't.  Why?

Janet

I believe admitting they were wrong about Caps was too much for them to do.  Was easier to vilify us than to admit they made a mistake. 

[wreck]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

Thanks TM, so young.

Can a "stroke" be brought upon by poisoning?

[Magnolia]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

Thanks TM, so young.

Can a "stroke" be brought upon by poisoning?

I was wondering if he had just drunk a cup of that infamous coffee.

[wreck]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

Thanks TM, so young.

Can a "stroke" be brought upon by poisoning?

I was wondering if he had just drunk a cup of that infamous coffee.

I wondered that too! 

[klaasend]

Nope Billybob aka Medleyrelay aka Jan Brennan - we won't forget about Joran or anyone that associates with him or anyone associated with the case until there is justice for Natalee.  GOT IT?

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

Thanks TM, so young.

Can a "stroke" be brought upon by poisoning?

I would think it could if someone slipped him a mega dose of amphetamine, cocaine, or something else like that.

jmo

[texasmom]

Nope Billybob aka Medleyrelay aka Jan Brennan - we won't forget about Joran or anyone that associates with him or anyone associated with the case until there is justice for Natalee.  GOT IT?

His bad habits and destructive behavior started long before May 2005.   

[Tamikosmom]

Nope Billybob aka Medleyrelay aka Jan Brennan - we won't forget about Joran or anyone that associates with him or anyone associated with the case until there is justice for Natalee.  GOT IT?

Klaas ... thanks for bring the above post over to our forum.  When it comes to copying images ... I am clueless.

Jan ... potecting Joran from the consequences of his actions is teaching him that he is exempt from the boundaries established by a civilized society.  Without intervention Joran van der Sloot's future well-being is in the balance and ... without intervention other "Natalees" are at risk.  It is only a matter of time.

Janet

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BOUNDARIES

Rita Cosby Live & Direct - April 4, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST:  John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY:  And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before? 

KELLY:  No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her.  And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


TIME BOMB

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: That`s video from ABC`s "20/20" of the Joran van der Sloot, emotionless about 18-year-old Natalee Holloway likely dumped at sea. Now as outraged as I am, and furious, as I`m sure you all are, I want to go to a man whose heart is breaking over this.  Jug Twitty, tell me your reaction when you hear this.

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: Well, Holly, I`ll tell you, it`s very disappointing. But it doesn`t surprise me. I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

[Sharon/Tx]

Sharon/Tx

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Grandkids?  It does not get better.

   

Janet

  Amen Janet, Amen! Thank you!

[Sharon/Tx]

I too As a mother I understand perfectly why you needed to go. I would have to go to protect my family.
I would have a knife on me just in case.Trust me I would use it if I had too..
[/quote]  Thank you Blonde!  It did scare me to use the laptop there and when we arrived, something pops up on your phone welcoming you to Aruba and their phone system.  I was leary about the phones and internet in regards to talking about Natalee.  We shut the hurricane shutters at night over the sliding doors and windows since it was a private home. We had two big guys but still.......!

[Tamikosmom]

Sharon/Tx

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Grandkids?  It does not get better.

   

Janet

  Amen Janet, Amen! Thank you!

 

[Sharon/Tx]

Ooops sorry, I messed up that last quote Blonde!  Wow, Janet, your documentation is awesome.  All of you are amazing and I cannot wait to catch up on reading!  Joran's behavior is reprehensible alright, it is disgusting and I will never back off of my condemnation of the little cocky brat or those that cover for him. 

There are signs all over the island about the other man that is missing.  If "male DNA" was found in the trap <cough>, was his family notified or asked for DNA?  I will keep reading, you all are amazing!