Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

If Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover confession reflect the truth ... his fathers only wrongdoing regarding the happenings encompassing the Natalee Holloway case was smuggling a cell to him while detained.

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Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape.  Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
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PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
________

[Tamikosmom]

http://leadercall.com/local/x993512128/Weather-wrecks-havoc-on-weekend

Looks like the event was canceled due to weather:

April 24, 2010
Weather wrecks havoc on weekend

By David Owens, newseditor@laurelleadercall.com CNHI

LAUREL — 

The potential for severe weather today in the Pine Belt has canceled or postponed a number of events including the 2010 Women’s Life Conference.

(snipped)

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Bearlyhere.

 

I am off to the Haliegh thread ... checking for updates.

Janet
5:40 PM PT

Hi Janet:

Sorry I missed this.   


I just want to comment on how great Beth looks.  Her smile is so relaxed, she has truly found her calling.  She knows she will one day be reunited with her beloved daughter, although I know she misses her greatly.  She brings Natalee's spirit with her wherever she goes.  She could have buried her head under a pillow for the rest of her life, I would not have blamed her one bit.  Instead she took the energy from her anger and channeled it for the good.  God Bless You, Beth!

 

 

[Tamikosmom]

Have a good Saturday all.

I am now off for the day.

Janet
11:35 AM PT

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_71655.php

Google translation:

Police investigation into credit card fraud

April 24, 2010, 24:43 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Police are conducting a major investigation into the theft of credit cards and credit card information. A number of arrests. Four suspects are down since February. In most cases the Dominicans and Venezuelans, according to Detective Roy Tromp.

According to Tromp, the thieves often difficult to address because they are in a widespread network of small groups operate. They work with methods of skimming, a technique whereby a legitimate credit card details are copied to a blank counterfeit card. "People who use their credit cards to make payments, must ensure that their card during the statement always remains in sight. You would not think the map or step down to a place where you will not see the map. Because they can get the card through a skimmer and thus take over all the details, "said the detective.

Tromp thus refers to a small electronic device, no bigger than a cell phone that has a groove. Which slot contains sensors that, when the cancellation of a card data be read. "It costs them very little time to do. A matter of a few seconds, "said Tromp. The credit card skimmer is later connected to a larger computing device that false credit cards, which are still empty, with the stolen data.

One thing that the police are investigating, concerns the theft of 40,000 guilders. The money has been spent in a store and using the stolen credit card data from only one. According to police, the fake credit cards everywhere, but especially for the purchase of expensive equipment and paying bills at hotels and restaurants.

The skimming devices that thieves use is relatively easy to obtain. About Internet search terms via the magnetic card copier discovered that machientjes already on sale for $ 75.

ATMs
last year Aruban banks raised the security of ATMs linked to skimming of bank cards. For example, machines of CMB with a special anti-skimming technology. Once criminals copiers or install video cameras in order to commit fraud, the ATM automatically. On the way to prevent criminals may counterfeit bank cards, and if the accounts of cardholders plundering.

[Tamikosmom]

http://leadercall.com/local/x993512128/Weather-wrecks-havoc-on-weekend

Looks like the event was canceled due to weather:

April 24, 2010
Weather wrecks havoc on weekend

By David Owens, newseditor@laurelleadercall.com CNHI

LAUREL — 

The potential for severe weather today in the Pine Belt has canceled or postponed a number of events including the 2010 Women’s Life Conference.

(snipped)

 

Mississippi tornado flattens homes; rescue efforts under way
By the CNN Wire Staff
April 24, 2010 5:12 p.m. EDT

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/weather/04/24/tornado/index.html?hpt=T1


Hail Storm 8AM this morning
4 hours ago | Southaven, Mississippi |

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-436257

 

[Tamikosmom]

Updated April 24, 2010
2 Dead After Tornado Strikes Western Mississippi

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2010/04/24/tornado-strikes-western-mississippi/

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

THE RANGE ROVER CONFESSION - THE SHOES

In the Range Rover recording ... it is apparent that between the second and sixth ride ...  Joran van der Sloot the story changed ... the story encompassing his shoes.

It is said a liar must possess a very good memory if he is to keep his stories straight.

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
 
The Complete Store
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.  Joran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

 
Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

PETER DE VRIES: Yes, I`m pretty convinced by that. Because it was not a slip of the tongue, what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I'm convince that he told the truth.
 
Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT
 
Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

Chapter 17:

JORAN:  The shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home... 

PATRICK: You just took them off. 

JORAN: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)... 

PATRICK: Riolering (storm drains) or something. 

JORAN: Yes.


Chapter 19:

PATRICK:  All I can think is that there is something about those shoes that you do not want them to see.
 
JORAN:  No, of course not. I still have those shoes. I just told those dudes that I left my shoes behind.
 
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[texasmom]

Drowning at Eagle Beach

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17134:persona-ta-hoga-na-eagle-beach&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8



Papiamentu translation:

person is hoga at eagle beach

saturday, 24 april 2010 16:30

for more or less 3'or y 2'0r of nightfall central of police is wordo notifica cu one person will owing to hoga at eagle beach. boat of police owing to acudi at the sitio y is constata cu provided that berdad have one person conoci for they cu do not give more sign of life. police owing to saca the curpa for of water y owing to transporta this cu boat for platform of oranjestad.

is deal here of albert antonio gavidia, naci at aruba day 22 of september 1958 y live at bubali

at the momentonan here all the autoridadnan competente owing to being poni at height y fiscal owing to dicidi for take the curpa in beslag for obeservacion pathologico. esnan concerni will make the investigacionnan necesario for make assure kico precisamente did take lugar in the incidente regrettable here. famianan of the victima cu is at the sitio is tell police cu past owing to bay float one rato y after they owing to lose of view. the victima probably will abide of epilepsy y is being sospecha cu the will can owing to achieve one ataque in water y pesey will can owing to hoga because; consecuencia.

[texasmom]

http://www.facebook.com

Diario Aruba's report of Paulus' death on Facebook and the comments that followed...

Diario Aruba 10 Feb- 10:45 pm: Paulus van der Sloot, famoso pa su yiu Joran, a fayece practicando deporte un rato pasa, debi na paro cardiaco.
February 10 at 8:43pm via Twitter

Joanne Solognier R.I.P
February 10 at 8:51pm

Suhaila Alders OMG!!!!!
February 10 at 8:51pm

Glenda Croes Conchale cos nan stranjo ta pasa kada rato no, ami ta hanja cosnan aki masha stranjo,
February 10 at 8:55pm

Glenda Croes Un di e traidor mas grandi di Aruba ta bai pa otro mundo, i e traidor mes mas grandi di Aruba ta bin traha nan Aruba, ta tristo ta hopi tristo loque ta pasando aki na Aruba, cu hende nan ni ta compronde cu e homber aki a hinka Aruba den tur e problema nan aki den 2005, caminda cu e a ganja cu e LINJA CU E CRIMINAL NAN, POR TIN PARTISIPASHION DEN E ASUNDO AKI ta asina fini , mi kier meen asina fini?????????, drei e film nan di mi no ta corda si ta atv of e canal oficial di Aruba, pasa e film ei no di como 5 anja pasa, bo wel di keda sin pase, pero mi kier bisabo, cu no tin nada di problema cu mi menoria, mi memoria ta bon i mi ta corda tur cos cu a pasa e tempa nanb ei
February 10 at 9:07pm

Glenda Croes I ami no bin cu mi kuenta cu e la muri, paz na su resto nan aki, den su caso pami e no ta conta, i ami ta pensa cu bo mester ta hopi degra pa pensa otro, Arubiano mester stop di hinka nan CABEZ DI POEPOE, DEN TERA,
February 10 at 9:10pm

Glenda Croes Usa bo cabez, ta pesei bo a hanje pa use drechi, i no pa bira babado di porquerianan, dia bo a nase bo a baba, pero comprende cu esei tawata normal/naturalesa i no babado di porqueri nan
February 10 at 9:13pm

Glenda Croes AMEN
February 10 at 9:14pm

Mark Hodgson paz pa su restonan y condolencia pa famianan... toch problema cu curason y haci deporte ? Riba dje Dios Sa si su consenshi a morde ... ban spera cu esaki no ta lanta negativo riba Aruba atrobe. Mi mes twt na e famoso club cu Nancy a puntra kiko nancy ta haci na un private Racquet club.. pero e suceso a pasa na TdS ... peace to all... ban trankilo.
February 10 at 9:28pm

Rieke Tjon heel veel sterkte aan zijn vrouw en kinderen..
February 11 at 1:14am

Margaret Wever Paz na su alma, hopi forza na Anita y nan yiunan.
February 11 at 2:44am

Gerard Kelly R he is gods hands now, may he rest in peace.
February 11 at 3:41am

Gerard Kelly R Nanayah, you are right, i remember how Aruba's reputation got destroyed here in the states.
February 11 at 3:47am

Roland Tromp Wel shonana bida ta cortico,,,anytime papa dios jama ?wak bo bin
February 11 at 4:48am

Charlie Mitchell says it begins....Nancy Grace is interviewing Natalie's Dad, Dave on her show tonight. All that nastiness surfaces again. 1st cable network to air Paulus's demise. Can't wait to hear from Greta. She's worst. Hmmm...
February 11 at 9:13pm

Margaret Wever I am sorry, but I don't consider Paul's passing to be international news and especially it is not to be used as a chance to attack a family in pain.
I believe it is a tragic event for a familiy. It is not fair and it certainly is inhuman for in the time of a wife and their children's grief to use this as a publicity stunt to attract viewers. I know that is how the media works, but it is shameless.
The death of a pillar, a fort is horrible and hard on any family, especially when it happens like what happened to Paul... for someone so full of life and fairly young to leave so unexpected, sudden and fast... the pain for family and friends must be unbearable.
February 11 at 9:27pm

Charlie Mitchell agrees but american trash reporters find that they earn much money in sensationalism. Distorting their reporting to gain an audience & ratings. Right now, Nancy G is set about inciting the american public again. I hate it.
February 11 at 9:36pm

Maria Tromp JUST SOLVE THIS CASE AND ARUBA WILL BE ONE HAPPY ISLE AGAIN. ARUBA AND THE WORLD NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS YOUNG GIRL....... HEEL VEEL STERKTE AAN FAM. VAN DER SLOOT.
February 12 at 5:44am

[texasmom]

3/5/2010 Awe Mainta Page 8

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/



Papiamentu translation:

now cholernan owing to achieve cama of 2 floor, another is sleep on roof, another on vloer y others where cu is.....

now if is good, choler is sleep on roof, another on vloer y others where cu is. not have police is patrol at beach, cu is see this? not have ordo neither respet more? where leynan important is for protega we comunidad of all the barbaridadnan here? after cu the shelter owing to close, this t’e view cu we is achieve of thing is we beautiful oranjestad. not have to inventa the wiel of new, but bay corsow, in willemstad, do you not owing to achieve the view here more. dicon at aruba we not can? not have boluntad politico?

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.facebook.com

Diario Aruba's report of Paulus' death on Facebook and the comments that followed...

Diario Aruba 10 Feb- 10:45 pm: Paulus van der Sloot, famoso pa su yiu Joran, a fayece practicando deporte un rato pasa, debi na paro cardiaco.
February 10 at 8:43pm via Twitter

Joanne Solognier R.I.P
February 10 at 8:51pm

Suhaila Alders OMG!!!!!
February 10 at 8:51pm

Glenda Croes Conchale cos nan stranjo ta pasa kada rato no, ami ta hanja cosnan aki masha stranjo,
February 10 at 8:55pm

Glenda Croes Un di e traidor mas grandi di Aruba ta bai pa otro mundo, i e traidor mes mas grandi di Aruba ta bin traha nan Aruba, ta tristo ta hopi tristo loque ta pasando aki na Aruba, cu hende nan ni ta compronde cu e homber aki a hinka Aruba den tur e problema nan aki den 2005, caminda cu e a ganja cu e LINJA CU E CRIMINAL NAN, POR TIN PARTISIPASHION DEN E ASUNDO AKI ta asina fini , mi kier meen asina fini?????????, drei e film nan di mi no ta corda si ta atv of e canal oficial di Aruba, pasa e film ei no di como 5 anja pasa, bo wel di keda sin pase, pero mi kier bisabo, cu no tin nada di problema cu mi menoria, mi memoria ta bon i mi ta corda tur cos cu a pasa e tempa nanb ei
February 10 at 9:07pm

Glenda Croes I ami no bin cu mi kuenta cu e la muri, paz na su resto nan aki, den su caso pami e no ta conta, i ami ta pensa cu bo mester ta hopi degra pa pensa otro, Arubiano mester stop di hinka nan CABEZ DI POEPOE, DEN TERA,
February 10 at 9:10pm

Glenda Croes Usa bo cabez, ta pesei bo a hanje pa use drechi, i no pa bira babado di porquerianan, dia bo a nase bo a baba, pero comprende cu esei tawata normal/naturalesa i no babado di porqueri nan
February 10 at 9:13pm

Glenda Croes AMEN
February 10 at 9:14pm

Mark Hodgson paz pa su restonan y condolencia pa famianan... toch problema cu curason y haci deporte ? Riba dje Dios Sa si su consenshi a morde ... ban spera cu esaki no ta lanta negativo riba Aruba atrobe. Mi mes twt na e famoso club cu Nancy a puntra kiko nancy ta haci na un private Racquet club.. pero e suceso a pasa na TdS ... peace to all... ban trankilo.
February 10 at 9:28pm

Rieke Tjon heel veel sterkte aan zijn vrouw en kinderen..
February 11 at 1:14am

Margaret Wever Paz na su alma, hopi forza na Anita y nan yiunan.
February 11 at 2:44am

Gerard Kelly R he is gods hands now, may he rest in peace.
February 11 at 3:41am

Gerard Kelly R Nanayah, you are right, i remember how Aruba's reputation got destroyed here in the states.
February 11 at 3:47am

Roland Tromp Wel shonana bida ta cortico,,,anytime papa dios jama ?wak bo bin
February 11 at 4:48am

Charlie Mitchell says it begins....Nancy Grace is interviewing Natalie's Dad, Dave on her show tonight. All that nastiness surfaces again. 1st cable network to air Paulus's demise. Can't wait to hear from Greta. She's worst. Hmmm...
February 11 at 9:13pm

Margaret Wever I am sorry, but I don't consider Paul's passing to be international news and especially it is not to be used as a chance to attack a family in pain.
I believe it is a tragic event for a familiy. It is not fair and it certainly is inhuman for in the time of a wife and their children's grief to use this as a publicity stunt to attract viewers. I know that is how the media works, but it is shameless.
The death of a pillar, a fort is horrible and hard on any family, especially when it happens like what happened to Paul... for someone so full of life and fairly young to leave so unexpected, sudden and fast... the pain for family and friends must be unbearable.
February 11 at 9:27pm

Charlie Mitchell agrees but american trash reporters find that they earn much money in sensationalism. Distorting their reporting to gain an audience & ratings. Right now, Nancy G is set about inciting the american public again. I hate it.
February 11 at 9:36pm

Maria Tromp JUST SOLVE THIS CASE AND ARUBA WILL BE ONE HAPPY ISLE AGAIN. ARUBA AND THE WORLD NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS YOUNG GIRL....... HEEL VEEL STERKTE AAN FAM. VAN DER SLOOT.
February 12 at 5:44am

Lt. Roland Tromp - Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/05/world/main763210_page2.shtml


Witness Statement - June 14, 2005
Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 14 June 2005 / 21:10
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
Description: witness statement

Witness Statement - June 18, 2005
Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 18 June 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 10 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator. Roland Tromp/ Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement

[Keepthefaith]

“He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still”

Lao Tzu 

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!

[texasmom]

http://www.facebook.com/

Creepy huh?   

[Tamikosmom]

THE DOLF RICHARDSON - PERSISTENCE CONNECTION

Cllaborating Dolph Richardson ... the Aruban/Dutch enemy ... who from the getgo ... was a participant working behind the scenes in the corrupt investigation ... the corrrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  It is not rocket science   A positive outcome from the Persistence undertaking in regards to justice for Natalee and closure for her family never stood a chance.
 
Those who sacrificially donated to the Persistence endeavor were deceived in regards to the purpose of the mission.  The furthering of the Aruban coverup agenda was never the understanding of those who upheld the undertaking prayfully and monetarily.
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THE DOLF RICHARDSON - PERSISTENCE CONNECTION
 
On the Record w/ Greta - April 5, 2006

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he (Dompig) actually said this last September that he was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position.
 

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing (although it got to the FBI two weeks after he said he sent it).

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

Idon't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

[Tamikosmom]

Have a good Sunday All.

 

Janet
1:10 PM PT

[Nut44x4]

Oh  geeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeee texasmom 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Oh  geeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeee texasmom 

     I agree. 

[texasmom]

I know....he and others just goofing around at a photoshoot, but there were a few shots that sent chills down my spine!  That is one of them!