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« Reply #780 on: May 18, 2010, 01:29:31 AM »

Maybe they don't have or will never have kids of their own, but they must have sisters, or nieces, or maybe even daughters of their friends that they care about.

How would they feel if any of them were missing like Natalee?  And then have some morbidly cruel azzholes do to their family what they've done to Natalee's family?  All the while, claiming that they were trying to help?

 


They'll ALL answer one day for what they've done.  I do find comfort in that fact.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #781 on: May 18, 2010, 01:31:11 AM »




Truth and Justice for Natalee!

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #782 on: May 18, 2010, 01:42:15 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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I DO!

 
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« Reply #783 on: May 18, 2010, 02:39:52 AM »

Natalee WILL come home!
Every Day, Every Night.....I Believe.... an angelic monkey
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« Reply #784 on: May 18, 2010, 08:06:36 AM »

Did Joran get some bad news recently?    From his social page


Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
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« Reply #785 on: May 18, 2010, 08:55:12 AM »

Did Joran get some bad news recently?    From his social page


Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
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Karma's a bitch, Joran.

It's not going to get any better. 

There is no rainbow, there are no unicorns, blah blah blah.

Turn yourself in.  Tell the truth.

It really is your only chance at a decent life.


(And its a damn shame you don't have a mother to teach you this.  She'll have to answer for that one day.)

 


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« Reply #786 on: May 18, 2010, 09:25:57 AM »

Did Joran get some bad news recently?    From his social page


Anita Hugen
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May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm


Anita, Juila and other enablers will never be able to do enough for Joran.  They wish him happiness but they assist him in pursuing detrimental behavior.  It is no help to think of creative ways to help him get out of, or cover up, problems.  They are enablers.  Joran needs to take responsibility for his actions.  He should not be enabled by the "poor Joran" crowd excusing and blaming his behavior on all things but himself.  There will be no rainbow.  His rainbow is willing enablers supporting him.  When they tire of him and he is not the all important, he is unhappy.
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« Reply #787 on: May 18, 2010, 11:33:55 AM »

Klaas ... thank you for posting Rudolf Vrolijk images in the PERSISTENCE thread.  It was appreciated.

Patriot ... thanks again for provided the forum with the link.  I informed my DIL last night and ... I suspect that after our conversation ended ... she immediately accessed that link and ... saved the related image in her Natalee Holloway photobucket.

Good Morning All.

Janet
8:20 AM PT

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Photobucket problem fixed:




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« Reply #788 on: May 18, 2010, 11:44:42 AM »

 
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 -
« Reply #427 on: June 28, 2008, 05:00:19 PM
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If the roles were reversed, and Natalee was Joran, Beth and her family would feel blessed to have the opportunity to make amends for Natalee's mistakes. Beth and anyone in her family would give their right arm to have the opportunity to work with Natalee to overcome any addiction she might have, any lacking moral fiber that may be missing, or instilling any self discipline that she may be lacking. There would be no expense to great, until it took their last penny, their last ounce of strength, their last IOU they could issue, no task too tiresome, too hard, because it would be such a blessing to have her/their child alive, to be blessed with the responsibility of rearing Natalee. The blessing of a child is a blessing from God that is priceless, and to see Anita and Paulus so wantonly and grossly fail to appreciate and care for their blessing makes me ill. And if all it took were five years of incarceration in a friendly jail to see that Natalee was given a second chance at a normal life, and to give then a second chance at a normal life with her, they would not blink to say yes, yes, they will gladly pay that price.

And that does not even begin to address the collateral damage to the Innocent the actions of these adults have caused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2979.msg394251;topicseen#msg394251

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« Reply #789 on: May 18, 2010, 12:41:18 PM »

 an angelic monkey

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0
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« Reply #790 on: May 18, 2010, 01:40:07 PM »

Did Joran get some bad news recently?    From his social page


Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
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Julia is a wannabe that will never be, and she keeps on proving it time and time again.
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« Reply #791 on: May 18, 2010, 01:50:14 PM »

Kermit

I know you have submitted the following post in the past but ... I now think I finally get it!  Do I?

Janet

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The Capslockwizard/Witness Connection/Deception

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 -
« Reply #737 on: May 17, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »


From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,
 
To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.

<snipped>

Dave, The Shango report also show a cover-up that is at the heart of The Dutch Court System. I will be difficult to start proceedings without a plan. I will be capslocwizard for now even though my report has my real name on it. I want leave it confidential for now.
 
Yours Truly,
 
CAPSLOCKWIZARD

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.msg1134921;topicseen#msg1134921


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 -
« Reply #737 on: May 17, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »


Extract from my (CAPS) report

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Please review and let me know what you think of this research.
This report is send to the following persons and authorities:
 
A)   Beth Twitty. – The FBI should forward it to Beth Twitty
B)   The FBI Special Agent Carmen S. Adams – Birmingham@ic.fbi.gov
 
About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: Vrolijkr@hotmail.com
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone: 297-746-7000

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.msg1134921;topicseen#msg1134921


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 -
« Reply #700 on: May 17, 2010, 01:40:55 AM »


Geerman Gerardo       
Siribana 6
585-3063
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=geerman&page=7

Webb Lorenzo D       
Shiribana 6
588-99xx
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=Webb&page=2

CAPS
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Phone: 297-746-7xxx

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.msg1134683#msg1134683


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
« Reply #539 on: February 16, 2010, 07:51:52 PM »


Lie detector test   - Jenny Geerman
http://stephww.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/lie-detector.pdf

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7018.msg1076042#msg1076042

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« Reply #792 on: May 18, 2010, 01:50:34 PM »


thanks 2NJ 
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« Reply #793 on: May 18, 2010, 02:33:34 PM »

I am so confused.

Tamikosmom, 2NJSons_Mom and 16 Guests are viewing this board.
Tamikosmom, 2NJSons_Mom and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.
11:24 am pt

11 Guests are nowhere to be found in all the threads I was able to check.  This wannabe detective is only able to speculate who and where they are?

Have a good day all!

Janet


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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #794 on: May 18, 2010, 02:48:03 PM »

I am so confused.

Tamikosmom, 2NJSons_Mom and 16 Guests are viewing this board.
Tamikosmom, 2NJSons_Mom and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.
11:24 am pt

11 Guests are nowhere to be found in all the threads I was able to check.  This wannabe detective is only able to speculate who and where they are?

Have a good day all!

Janet




I saw that, too, but don't think it's confusing.  Members and non-members stop in, read and leave at any given point during a day.  Since there was a flurry of posts, they probably read and went on to other things, which I have put off and have to address now.   
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« Reply #795 on: May 18, 2010, 03:16:05 PM »

REMINDER

Anonimo aka Capslockwizard


Prior to Capslockwizard's first post to the SM Natalee Holloway forum where he was embraced by many Monkeys ... Caps deceptively posted on December 22, 2007 and December 23, 2007 on SM Front Page comments under the Nic Anonimo. Caps aka Anonimo's words leave no doubt that he was upholding an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda that aligned with the misinformation campaign that Julia Renfro, Rene Gielen and Jan Brennen were/are adherences.

When this deception was revealed on the SM Forum in March, 2009 by a Natalee Holloway researcher ... many broke rank with Caps and acknowledged they had been betrayed but ... many did not.  Why?

Janet

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Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

22.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm
26.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm
27.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm
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76.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am
77.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am
78.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/
 
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« Reply #796 on: May 18, 2010, 03:16:53 PM »

2NJ

Thanks

Janet
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« Reply #797 on: May 18, 2010, 03:29:59 PM »

From a little earlier this afternoon...   


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #798 on: May 18, 2010, 03:34:11 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72626.php

Google translation:

Funeral Zaandam

May 18, 2010, 14:12 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Today, family, friends and a large number of policemen in recent tribute to Eric Zaandam (57). The inspector first class, coordinator of the Central Section Post and former president of police union SPA died last week following a stroke.

"He enjoyed a special place within the Corps," said Guillfred Besaril, the current president of SPA morning when Aurora Funeral Home in Primavera. "I worked under him at the beach police and he was always helpful. Although our trips together to Corps celebrations abroad and softball games remain in my memory. "The funeral procession accompanied by a large number of motor officers would at half past twelve this afternoon depart to various police stations where Zaandam worked and eventually Francis church where the service takes place.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #799 on: May 18, 2010, 03:41:09 PM »

 

He wasn't required to stay in jail until his trial either which IIRC was one of the requirements set forth in the gun control requirements that had recently been instated, they found some special circumstance to let him out.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72622.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

10 days jail for ex-minister's son Lee

May 18, 2010, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The son of former Minister of Labour, Culture and Sports Ramon Lee (MEP) for unlawful possession of firearms was sentenced to ten days in jail, 80 days probation and a probation period of two years. He was also fined 2500 florin. The requirement of the Public Prosecutor (OM) this case was eight months in prison.

Taifoo Courtney Lee was on January 18 arrested on suspicion of illegal possession of firearms and ammunition. There was no permit for gun ownership. The police had received a report of a burglary at the home of Lee. During the investigation the police found firearms and ammunition. According to the spokesman of the OM, Angela Ann, the firearm was found in a sock. They find the low penalty incomprehensible and let know the appeal has gone now. "We want more clarity about the penalty. It's a big difference, ten days or eight months in prison. The prevention of gun control is one of our priority areas. We have one year as a guideline that we require cell to illegally in possession of weapons. "That in this case eight months was required, according to Angela comes home because the weapon was found. "If someone with a gun on the street is maintained, it will be stricter addressed."

Lee has now served his sentence.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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