Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!

[msmarple]

Occasionally I have a flash about one of the many despicable things about Aruba. Today's despicable thing was the matter of Max de Vries, which makes me livid to this day.

So I decided to check out the “Max to the Millions” web site. (This will warm Anna’s, Kat_Gram’s, and Rob’s respective hearts. In fact, Rob might already have posted some of what’s below; he has been in touch with Yvonne deVries off and on.)

For those slightly newer to SM, Max deVries was a 14-year-old boy who apparently drowned while jet skiing in Aruba on May 12, 2004. For some ungodly reason Aruba decided to start a rumor that Max and his family (some said his mom's "boyfriend") was alive and well, living somewhere in Latin America, and his “death” actually was an INSURANCE SCAM. (Aruba loves it’s insurance scam rumors.) This rumor was “planted” (IMO), and it was done shortly after Natalee went missing - feeding rumors that Natalee's death ALSO was an insurance scam.

More info about Max deVries here:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=725.20

* * *
The following article was in Amigoe.com; I believe the date was August 5, 2005. We used to have the link, but none of the old ones work anymore {emphasis added by msmarple} --

Insurance company in the US asks the police for information on Max de Vries

ARUBA – The police is still not sure whether the American Max de Vries is still alive. According to chief of police Gerold Dompig, the police have only heard that there are rumours going round. “District Noord is busy investigating the rumours via official channels.” He means the American FBI and Interpol.

Dompig denies the fact that he had gone to La Cabana Hotel with the developments of the case. “They have come to us. They have found information on the Internet and informed us. We are now busy investigating the information they found on the Internet.”

La Cabana’s story is different though. The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. Dompig didn’t want to say the name of the insurance company. “That is not in the interest of the investigation.” On the question of why the police is cooperating with the request of an American insurance company, Dompig answered that “Aruba would like to close the case of Max de Vries. That’s why we have to investigate new information.” Max de Vries disappeared over a year ago after an accident with a jet ski during a vacation in Aruba.

{Ha! "Naming 'The American Insurance Company' would not be in the interest of furthering this rumor." -- msmarple.}

* * *

Meanwhile, Max’s mother, Yvonne deVries (whose husband had died 18 months previously) started a foundation in Brighton, Michign, in memory of Max – so Max’s little sister Dominique would have something to remember her brother by. Dominique had been born very premature, and spent weeks in a neo-natal unit. So the foundation benefited C.S. Mott’s Children Hospital’s neo-natal unit. (More about that below.)

In a particularly twisted development, when Dominique was in school, her classmates stumbled on web posts about the article above, and the rumors and comments it set off were horrifying for her.

* * *

From the “Max to the Millions” web site ( http://www.maxtothemillions.com/ ) -- bolding added by msmarple --

UPDATE - April 1st 2009

I want to send a big heart felt thank you for all you have done. Thank you for being part of Max to the Millions. It is because of you and your kind, generous heart that we were able to help so many. Know that over the years your donations mattered and your help was appreciated. Without you and your help, so many great things would be left undone. It truly is magical when we reach outside ourselves to help others.

Max would have been 19 years old on April 18th, and May 12th will mark the 5th year being without him.  I could never write or express what his loss has meant. I can only hope  by extending to others it shows in some small way that Max was here and he  was loved by me and so many others.

With sincere warmth and gratitude, thank you for sharing.

{UPDATE October - 2008}
(above heading inserted by msmarple for clarity)

An update on Max… The FBI called in October 2008 and informed me they closed their investigation on Max. Never knowing what happened in the last moments of Max’s life will be forever hard. I can truly say our Government as well as the Aruban government did not do enough to find out what happened to my son. It is so sad when a child is lost, killed, missing, or taken. But when it happens in another country you have no help or paper work to fill out. Lose a piece of luggage though, and the paper work and calls never end.

Everybody knows of Natalee Holloway, few know of Max DeVries.  Max was lost almost one year before Natalee went missing. With all the money and resources Natalee's family had they still have no answers. It is doubtful anything new will turn up about Max or Natalee.

I will always wonder if Max’s dad would have been by my side through all of this if there would have been more done to help this little boy and maybe a different outcome;  his father died 18 months before Max. I will always feel cheated and abandoned by our government and those who had the power to do more. I am thankful for the friends who stayed by my side in my darkest days; the angels by my side.

It has been almost five years since the disappearance of Max. Time moves forward and waits for no one even if you’re lost in grief. The best thing you can do is appear that you’re moving forward and hope you doing something right when everything seems so wrong.

This is the time of year I normally do our annual fundraiser, Max To The Millions. Times are hard and seem to be especially hard in Michigan and therefore I am putting this year’s event on hold.

Max To The Millions has made a difference and has helped so many. The room created at Mott's Children Hospital is still there for all  Moms of premature babies to use. The Tourette's Syndrome support group is still active and growing in strength. We will never know how many people we truly helped with our gifts of love given to those in the community. We give with an open heart in hopes that only good things happen.

To those who helped and were part of Max To The Millions, we thank you. For those who sent thoughts and prayers our way, we thank you. For those who were there for us, we thank you and those who were not we understand.

We hope you make wonderful memories with those you love to treasure for a lifetime.

With Angles Watching Over Us And Friends By Our Side We Are All Blessed.
Yvonne and Dominique DeVries.

Max to the Millions was created in hopes that Max's sister will always remember her father and brother.  We want to give and to remember while someone else receives a gift of love.  The money raised had been gifted to premature babies thru C.S. Mott's Children's Hospital each year at Max's birthday, April 18th.

* * *

(Per the web site's calendar, apparently no events to raise foundation money have been held since 2008.)

Imagine the astonishment here at SM when Peter de Vries got involved in the case! (Mrs. deVries does not use a space after “de”.)

Okay, I just wanted to do this in case any of those disinformation specialists are capable of a twinge of guilt.

Thank you monkeys for all you do.

[Sharon/Tx]

So, he was still in Aruba last month....

http://www.waarisjoran.nl/spots



Spot datum
 Land Plaats Gespot Door Hoe en wat?
30-04-2010 Aruba South beach center Teun Joran gezien bij restaurant 'Milano' tijdens Koninginnenacht samen met een aantal vrienden. 
18-03-2010 Aruba Moomba beach Anoniem Foto van hem gemaakt. Hij zat in een strandhutje. Wat hij hier nu weer doet weet ik niet.

Yeah, I saw that and spent a few hours looking for photos with no luck.   

  Hmmm well, this could be justice of some sorts...... having to stay on an island where everyone wishes you would leave!  If I ran into him, I sure would have given him a piece of my mind!

[Sharon/Tx]

I just went back through my pictures and the signs on the island for the missing man say:  Vicenzo Tromp, 11-27-2007 and below that, HelpfindVicenzo@Yahoo.com

[klaasend]

I just went back through my pictures and the signs on the island for the missing man say:  Vicenzo Tromp, 11-27-2007 and below that, HelpfindVicenzo@Yahoo.com

Yes, TES actually went to Aruba on the request of Vincento's family to search for him.  They didn't find him. 

[Tamikosmom]

I just went back through my pictures and the signs on the island for the missing man say:  Vicenzo Tromp, 11-27-2007 and below that, HelpfindVicenzo@Yahoo.com

Yes, TES actually went to Aruba on the request of Vincento's family to search for him.  They didn't find him. 

Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, disappeared on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 in Oranjestad, Aruba and has not been seen or heard from since. Jose was last seen wearing dark blue tennis shorts, a gray t-shirt and black slippers.

5/8/2008 - TES and Jose’s parents are working with law enforcement to make the arrangements to travel to Aruba to search for Jose.

5/18/2008 – Tim Miller and members arrive in Aruba to meet with law enforcement, attend a press conference, and develop a plan for searching. A message to Tim Miller from your team members at home: “We are so proud of you and your continued commitment. You display a constant dedication to the families of missing loved ones no matter what nationality they are or where they live. As you stated before you left, Jose’s family loves him just as much as Natalee’s family loves her and as much as any other family loves and misses their lost loved ones. God Bless You for following your heart and coming to the aid of another family no matter what the circumstances are. Be safe in your efforts and come home safely and soon.”

5/25/2008 - After a week long search with the help of Jose’s family and local Arubans, unfortunately Tim Miller and TES members return with no answers as to the whereabouts of Jose. We are grateful to have received the warmth from locals to assist a family in need.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2879.msg386402;topicseen#msg386402

[Tamikosmom]

The following is an audio of the Dana interview with Tim Miller pertaining to an update regarding the search for Vicenzo Tromp and ... the plans regarding a return to Aruba on board a vessel from Trinidad ... a return to Aruba to dive on the targets that were not investigated prior to the Persistence departure from Aruba.

Flash forward two years: The return to Aruba to search the remaining targets has not happened.  Why?

++++++++

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Thursday, May 14, 2008 - Guests Include Susan Murphy Milano, Drew Kesse, Randy Tat, Tim Miller and Judy Cornett

Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch discusses his upcoming trip to Aruba in search of Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, missing since November 27, 2007

TIM MILLER:  At this point in time they're talking about bringing in a 360 foot boat out of Trinidad that has much larger ROV equipment on it. 

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/05/13/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-wednesday-night-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-susan-murphy-milano-drew-kesse-and-randy-tat/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - June 26, 2008:  The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

[Tamikosmom]

THE POND

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search.

Kyle Kingman: There are 18 targets. Two are definitely tires. The rest, who knows. It's likely tin cans, mud clumps, and debris. There is one small box-like target but it's only 2ft across and doesn't have much relief, unless it's completely sunk into the mud (likely). I can find something about the size of a hockey puck with that system in good conditions.
The water was very shallow when this survey was done. Remember, in February 2006 the pond was almost dry.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

[Tamikosmom]

THE POND

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - June 13, 2008:  I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

[Tamikosmom]

Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp??


Anna
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 -
« Reply #211 on: March 10, 2009, 02:39:27 PM »

June 10, 2008

Dear Mrs. XXXXXXXX,

As confirmed in my previous email, there is indeed a missing person search going on in Aruba. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case and it's entirely a private search. The Prosecutor's Office and the Police are not involved.

We are currently in the dry season and have not had rain for well over two months. The pond you are referring to has dried up. The information that that pond or any other pond was drained lately, is not based on the truth.

Best regards,

Ann Angela

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4656.msg712620#msg712620


hotping
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #809 on: January 06, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »

January 6, 2009
Press Anouncement

Hans Mos:

There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

[SuzieQ]

Occasionally I have a flash about one of the many despicable things about Aruba. Today's despicable thing was the matter of Max de Vries, which makes me livid to this day.

So I decided to check out the “Max to the Millions” web site. (This will warm Anna’s, Kat_Gram’s, and Rob’s respective hearts. In fact, Rob might already have posted some of what’s below; he has been in touch with Yvonne deVries off and on.)

For those slightly newer to SM, Max deVries was a 14-year-old boy who apparently drowned while jet skiing in Aruba on May 12, 2004. For some ungodly reason Aruba decided to start a rumor that Max and his family (some said his mom's "boyfriend") was alive and well, living somewhere in Latin America, and his “death” actually was an INSURANCE SCAM. (Aruba loves it’s insurance scam rumors.) This rumor was “planted” (IMO), and it was done shortly after Natalee went missing - feeding rumors that Natalee's death ALSO was an insurance scam.

More info about Max deVries here:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=725.20

* * *
The following article was in Amigoe.com; I believe the date was August 5, 2005. We used to have the link, but none of the old ones work anymore {emphasis added by msmarple} --

Insurance company in the US asks the police for information on Max de Vries

ARUBA – The police is still not sure whether the American Max de Vries is still alive. According to chief of police Gerold Dompig, the police have only heard that there are rumours going round. “District Noord is busy investigating the rumours via official channels.” He means the American FBI and Interpol.

Dompig denies the fact that he had gone to La Cabana Hotel with the developments of the case. “They have come to us. They have found information on the Internet and informed us. We are now busy investigating the information they found on the Internet.”

La Cabana’s story is different though. The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. Dompig didn’t want to say the name of the insurance company. “That is not in the interest of the investigation.” On the question of why the police is cooperating with the request of an American insurance company, Dompig answered that “Aruba would like to close the case of Max de Vries. That’s why we have to investigate new information.” Max de Vries disappeared over a year ago after an accident with a jet ski during a vacation in Aruba.

{Ha! "Naming 'The American Insurance Company' would not be in the interest of furthering this rumor." -- msmarple.}

* * *

Meanwhile, Max’s mother, Yvonne deVries (whose husband had died 18 months previously) started a foundation in Brighton, Michign, in memory of Max – so Max’s little sister Dominique would have something to remember her brother by. Dominique had been born very premature, and spent weeks in a neo-natal unit. So the foundation benefited C.S. Mott’s Children Hospital’s neo-natal unit. (More about that below.)

In a particularly twisted development, when Dominique was in school, her classmates stumbled on web posts about the article above, and the rumors and comments it set off were horrifying for her.

* * *

From the “Max to the Millions” web site ( http://www.maxtothemillions.com/ ) -- bolding added by msmarple --

UPDATE - April 1st 2009

I want to send a big heart felt thank you for all you have done. Thank you for being part of Max to the Millions. It is because of you and your kind, generous heart that we were able to help so many. Know that over the years your donations mattered and your help was appreciated. Without you and your help, so many great things would be left undone. It truly is magical when we reach outside ourselves to help others.

Max would have been 19 years old on April 18th, and May 12th will mark the 5th year being without him.  I could never write or express what his loss has meant. I can only hope  by extending to others it shows in some small way that Max was here and he  was loved by me and so many others.

With sincere warmth and gratitude, thank you for sharing.

{UPDATE October - 2008}
(above heading inserted by msmarple for clarity)

An update on Max… The FBI called in October 2008 and informed me they closed their investigation on Max. Never knowing what happened in the last moments of Max’s life will be forever hard. I can truly say our Government as well as the Aruban government did not do enough to find out what happened to my son. It is so sad when a child is lost, killed, missing, or taken. But when it happens in another country you have no help or paper work to fill out. Lose a piece of luggage though, and the paper work and calls never end.

Everybody knows of Natalee Holloway, few know of Max DeVries.  Max was lost almost one year before Natalee went missing. With all the money and resources Natalee's family had they still have no answers. It is doubtful anything new will turn up about Max or Natalee.

I will always wonder if Max’s dad would have been by my side through all of this if there would have been more done to help this little boy and maybe a different outcome;  his father died 18 months before Max. I will always feel cheated and abandoned by our government and those who had the power to do more. I am thankful for the friends who stayed by my side in my darkest days; the angels by my side.

It has been almost five years since the disappearance of Max. Time moves forward and waits for no one even if you’re lost in grief. The best thing you can do is appear that you’re moving forward and hope you doing something right when everything seems so wrong.

This is the time of year I normally do our annual fundraiser, Max To The Millions. Times are hard and seem to be especially hard in Michigan and therefore I am putting this year’s event on hold.

Max To The Millions has made a difference and has helped so many. The room created at Mott's Children Hospital is still there for all  Moms of premature babies to use. The Tourette's Syndrome support group is still active and growing in strength. We will never know how many people we truly helped with our gifts of love given to those in the community. We give with an open heart in hopes that only good things happen.

To those who helped and were part of Max To The Millions, we thank you. For those who sent thoughts and prayers our way, we thank you. For those who were there for us, we thank you and those who were not we understand.

We hope you make wonderful memories with those you love to treasure for a lifetime.

With Angles Watching Over Us And Friends By Our Side We Are All Blessed.
Yvonne and Dominique DeVries.

Max to the Millions was created in hopes that Max's sister will always remember her father and brother.  We want to give and to remember while someone else receives a gift of love.  The money raised had been gifted to premature babies thru C.S. Mott's Children's Hospital each year at Max's birthday, April 18th.

* * *

(Per the web site's calendar, apparently no events to raise foundation money have been held since 2008.)

Imagine the astonishment here at SM when Peter de Vries got involved in the case! (Mrs. deVries does not use a space after “de”.)

Okay, I just wanted to do this in case any of those disinformation specialists are capable of a twinge of guilt.

Thank you monkeys for all you do.

Thank you msmarple, this makes me livid also. I have so much respect for Yvonne and Beth. Two great ladies that have turned grief into something positive, to help someone else.

[klaasend]

Attempted suicide?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3411&offId=0

POLIS ATENTO A IMPEDI INTENTO DI SUICIDIO NA BOCA MAHOS, FOTOS EXCLUSIVO CORTESIA HENK F.

[Tamikosmom]

Prior to Capslockwizard's first post to the SM forum on January 17, 2008 ... the SM FP comment section was where it was it.

In his comments Caps would often receive challenges from others on the SM FP when he would subtley undermind Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty while attempting to put forth his theory/s.  Thus ... Anonimo was created on December 23, 2007 to accomplish the purpose ... the purpose of furthering the Aruban misinformation campaign ... the Aruban misinformation campaign meant to discredit the Mother and Stepfather of Natalee Holloway.

For over a year Caps was able to deceive many on the SM Natalee Holloway forum.  However ... on March 17, 2009 ... it was a Natalee Holloway researcher who exposed what all had overlooked.  Capslockwizard and Anonimo were one.  Many of Caps following broke rank when the deception was reveal but ... others did not.  Why?

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09am -
« Reply #102 on: March 17, 2009, 04:43:28 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg724242#msg724242

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SM FRONT PAGE COMMENTS: CAPSLOCKWIZARD AKA ANONIMO

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio - Thursday, December 20, 2007 - Guests Include Dr. Sharon Morris May, John Goodwin and George “Jug” Twitty
Posted December 20, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-jossy-mansur-and-george-jug-twitty/


Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary - Friday, December 21, 2007 - Dana Reflects On His Interview With Natalee Holloway’s Stepfather, George “Jug” Twitty
Posted December 21, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-friday-december-21-2007-dana-reflects-on-his-interview-with-natalee-holloways-stepfather-george-jug-twitty


Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating
Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

22.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm
26.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm
27.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm
29.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:51 pm
31.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:56 pm
39.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:33 am
41.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am
43.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:27 am
44.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:30 am
48.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 4:19 am

71.Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm
73.Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 2:38 am
75.Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 3:03 am
76.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am
77.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am
78.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating


No Matter Where They Reside, Defense Attorney Act Lower than Pond Scum … Care to Discuss the Times of the Chats?
Posted December 24, 2007 by Scared Monkeys
 
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/24/no-matter-where-they-reside-defense-attorney-act-lower-than-pond-scum-care-to-discuss-the-times-of-the-chats/


Persistence Continues Search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba Waters
Posted December 27, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/27/persistence-continues-search-for-natalee-holloway-in-aruba-waters/


Weapons Crack down at Carlos N’ Charlies … This is a Tourist Destination?
Posted December 31, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/31/weapons-crack-down-at-carlos-n-charlies-this-is-a-tourist-destination/


Suspect Joran Van der Sloot Regrets No Trial in Natalee Holloway Case
Posted January 2, 2008 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/02/suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-regrets-no-trial-in-natalee-holloway-case/


Beth Holloway on the Oprah Winfrey Show discussing Missing Daughter Natalee Holloway
Posted January 16, 2008 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/16/beth-holloway-on-the-oprah-winfrey-show-discussing-missing-daughter-natalee-holloway/

[klaasend]

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/17691-varios-detencion-y-basta-droga-confisca-na-aruba.html



Varios detencion y basta droga confisca na Aruba
Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:41
0
xtc
E departamento di seccion crimen organiza di cuerpo policial ta bolbe score e siman aki. 24ora.com tabata sigui e movecion di e agentenan di cerca. A haya coperacion pero na mes momento a pidi pa keda riba un distancia y wanta e noticia te ora haci tur detencion. E caso aki ta di un grupo di traficador di droga entre Hulanda y Aruba. Un cantidad di mas cu 1000 pildo di XTC a yega Aruba scondi den productonan cu tabata bin via postkantoor for di Hulanda. Den Postkantoor tabata tin un hoben cu lo tabata yuda esnan den droga tambe. Na pia di trabao el a keda deteni. Prome cu a detene a drenta tres cas na es momento. Team di aresto a sorpresa e hendenan aki den nan sonjo. Na Aruba tin cuater detencion y ademas di un cantidad grandi di pildo a logra haya tambe masha hopi otro tipo di droga. Basta Euro a keda confisca mescos a haci uso di e cacho anti droga pa por a busca pa droga, arma y placa. E departamento di seccion crimen organiza a haya yudanza tambe di otro recherchenan pa por a haci e accion na tur tres cas na mes momento. Pabien SGC cu boso trabao. Na Hulanda a keda di detene hende tambe pa cu e caso aki mirando cu e pildonan di XTC tabata bin manera semper di Hulanda.

Not sure what the above SGC is but Steve Croes is Steve Gregory Croes

[Bearlyhere]

Good Night billb  and 17 Guests are viewing this topic...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner......I'll always believe that and will be here as long as it takes....

 

[Rob]

Here's some info on Stanley Zaandam. this was from my blog and with the help of the Freebirds and some posts from a great poster STom. Eric and Stanley are somehow related.

STANLEY ZAANDAM POINTS TO CORRUPTION INSIDE ALE:

Monday, September 19, 2005

Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3
To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards.

Police command nominations named as the reason of the mistake.

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.

He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

BLUNDER

Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceitfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.

FALSE ARREST

Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.

STom:
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

Most likely since years back, private and public tourism authorities and law enforcement officials had an underlying agreement not to report crimes against tourists because they were detrimental to their image of pure, safe and uncorrupted island paradise. This unwritten law was easy to implement because incidents were so infrequent, that they could report them as missing persons. From 1996 through 2002, they had three disappearances reported. Not bad. An average of one disappearance every 24 months.

When Natalee’s incident occurred, Joran told Paulus about the “accident” and Paulus immediately thought of the island team in charge of “missing” people cases. Paulus had worked a few years back for the prosecutors office, as Antonio Carlo’s subordinate and had learned how Arubian authorities initiated these patriotic techniques, to preserve both, the island's economic sovereignty and the aspirational image of its criminals, which are portrayed as selective for going after illegal immigrants and locals only, not tourists.

Paulus was not totally frank about the incident. He just called his compadre Edwin -Papito- Commemencia and reported the case. Papito called the “missing” squad and they got rid of Natalee. They assumed this was just going to be one more case where Police authorities give the family of the victim the runaround; they give up and go home to light candles. They weren’t counting on Beth’s obsessive, unrelentless, persistent, annoying character.

The media started coming to Aruba and the news began spreading. What to do … that was the big question. The police, ATA and AHATA met. They agreed that they were going to show the family and the US that they care and are willing to do everything to find their missing daughter. “ Hey”, they said, “Maybe this will be good for us. All these cameras will put our island in the forefront”. The craziness begins and Arubian arrivistes show their faces in front of the spotlight.

When one week later the authorities figured out that the threesome was responsible for the crime and they envisioned the consequences of having an international coverage of the case and the investigation, it’s already too late. They can’t go back and undo what they have done, because the “missing” scheme would be revealed and that would mean the definite end of existence of the thriving Arubian tourism industry. Since then on, the madness and the lies have not stopped.

As Dompig stated in the Vanity Fair interview, they thought they were dealing with a normal family. By that he meant families like those of Richard Henríquez, Gary Makings and Willard Larson, all missing in Aruba never to be found.

Igsigs:
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

STom

Edwin Commemencia

That is a name that is rarely brought up in this case. What do you know about him

STom
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject:

igsigs

At the beginning of the investigation Papito Comemencia was very active as police spokesperson. I understand he is the officer that Joran considers his Godfather and uncle, not van der Straaten. He is -or at least was- very close to the van der Sloots.

Dompig was in charge of the interrogations back then. If you recall, he is the one that got the “confession” out of Joran on the 10th or 11th of June 2005, but it could not be admitted because the time duration of the interrogation exceeded the limit allowed for a minor.

A few weeks into the case, both Comemencia and Dompig sort of vanished and all focus turn to Jan van der Straaten. Most likely this was an Arubian strategy to point the finger at the Dutch, and steer the blame away from them.

Some of Comemencia’s key moments include reporting the different and dive searches, reporting beforehand that Paulus would request the court to allow permission to see Joran in jail, informing that nothing was found on the van der Sloot’s property search, telling Beth that blood had been found on the Kalpoe’s car, insinuating that more people were involved and in general, creating confusion and false expectations.

He is supposed to be Papi the Butterfly, the person that Simian/Merian Webster supposedly stated could unravel this whole mess. This is what I recall reading, but I guess an SM T&S lover could confirm this or not.

More by STom:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:31 am Post subject:

Rocky:

Comemencia could have bvery well alerted ahead of time about searches, but I don't know if he did or not. What matters is that he is the one that has the personal relationship with the van der Sloots and not van der Straaten, he is the one that Joran considers his uncle and Godfather, he is the one that was very present until they passed the ball to the Chief of Police, and he is the one that distorted information to confuse the public opinion as far as the investigation was concerned.

One example is telling Beth about blood in the Kalpoe’s car. Most likely he did it to handle Beth, in order to shift her vision of primary responsibility from Joran to the brothers. Just guessing, though.

Also, Comemencia often stated or implied that the FBI was involved in the investigative process, when that was not the case.

Quote:
Police and FBI agents searched for Holloway for a ninth day today, but a lack of any solid leads was hindering progress, they said. The FBI was asked to bring in dogs trained to search for people, police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said.

Quote:
Two divers among the eight FBI agents in Aruba have been searching the waters surrounding the island, police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said.

I believe Comemencia's comments about FBI’s participation was part of a predefined strategy to imply that the FBI was involved, so ALE probably used the FBI initially to fit its purposes.


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[Rob]

msmarple Thank you for remembering Max. Very touching. He didn't just drown, he was murdered in my opinion, and I have alot of info on that case and I am sure I am correct... Only on Aruba can someone kill a 13 year old boy and fly home. *vomit*

I hope you are doing well!

[klaasend]

Drake is comparing Resigned's psychiatric knowledge to Jan Brennan's writing ability.  Drake is very astute 

[Tamikosmom]

Drake is comparing Resigned's psychiatric knowledge to Jan Brennan's writing ability.  Drake is very astute 

 

 

[Anna]

msmarple Thank you for remembering Max. Very touching. He didn't just drown, he was murdered in my opinion, and I have alot of info on that case and I am sure I am correct... Only on Aruba can someone kill a 13 year old boy and fly home. *vomit*

I hope you are doing well!

Yes, msmarple, thank you so much for this upddate.

I have wanted justice for Max as well so badly!  This was a terrible lie for Aruban LE to have told about this grieving mother and also newly-widowed woman.  But I was still surprised when they tried to play it again in the case of Natalee.  There are people in aruba who to this day think Max was found alive.

Makes me furious!

Hi, Rob!