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« Reply #1220 on: May 31, 2010, 12:33:47 AM »

Maybe they fondly call her "grandma ditch"  Monkey Devil!

Naughty, naughty Klaasend.  Bwahahahaha   Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #1221 on: May 31, 2010, 12:44:24 AM »

Here's a few more that may have been posted before, they were added in November 2008.

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me fergie and deepak

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at fergie's p@rty





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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1222 on: May 31, 2010, 01:05:01 AM »

Beth on the Today show:

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Beth looks wonderful and I know Natalee is proud of her Mother! What a class act she is! She's taken an unthinkable tragedy and turned it around to help others.

Joran and family aren't fit to occupy the same planet as Beth!

Yep. She just keeps on going and keeping it positive. She is an inspiring force to me.

Keep on going, Beth. Your energy keeps some of the rest of us going... and you don't
even know our real names!

Justice for Nat 2010! Keep her spirit alive in everything you do. The world needs more Natalees and Beths and caring Monkeys of this board.
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« Reply #1223 on: May 31, 2010, 01:06:10 AM »

Beth on the Today show:

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Beth looks wonderful and I know Natalee is proud of her Mother! What a class act she is! She's taken an unthinkable tragedy and turned it around to help others.

Joran and family aren't fit to occupy the same planet as Beth!

Yep. She just keeps on going and keeping it positive. She is an inspiring force to me.

Keep on going, Beth. Your energy keeps some of the rest of us going... and you don't
even know our real names!

Justice for Nat 2010! Keep her spirit alive in everything you do. The world needs more Natalees and Beths and caring Monkeys of this board.

Sorry CBB - I jumped the quote stack.
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« Reply #1224 on: May 31, 2010, 01:14:10 AM »

I don't think I'll be able to get to sleep anytime soon -- and I'm just me. I don't imagine Beth or Dave will either.

Still, Beth has been a graceful champion of making the best of adversity.
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« Reply #1225 on: May 31, 2010, 03:17:59 AM »



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1227 on: May 31, 2010, 11:33:39 AM »

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Page 44:
  Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fence, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just as the students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and address.

Page 45:  At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The silver Honda is not there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Jorans father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police ask to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isnt home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46:  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap possee riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  The police lead the pack.

We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out

I run to to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the front.  There is no sign of him.

I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again.  He tells us that his son is back at their house now.

Page 47:  Everybody is running and running to the cars.  Few Words are spoken.  We arrive to see people standing in front of the house.  They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Page 48:  Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  Its about three oclock in the morning.  Its a school night.  They arent dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.
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« Reply #1228 on: May 31, 2010, 11:36:33 AM »

MAY 31, 2005 3:00 AM

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Page 51:
  As we stand there in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, May 31, 2005, waiting to get a search warrant that is never obtained, the two who were last seen with Natalee offer to us where they dropped her off early yesterday morning.  For the last time we drive back to the Holiday Inn, where Joran and Deepak demonstrate with great detail where they took Natalee, and how she stumbled and bumped her head getting out of the car, describing her over and over as so drunk.
 
Joran and Deepak then show me exactly where they dropped Natalee off in front of the hotel entrance, speading their arms in illustration of the area, which is right outside the front entrance of the Holiday Inn lobby.

Page 97:  The black and white footage plays. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind I and play it again.

Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me
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« Reply #1229 on: May 31, 2010, 11:43:25 AM »

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Page 58:  Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59:  Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight oclock sharp

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair.  As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair.  Were ready to give our statements, we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalees disappearance weve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60:  He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back.  He says, Ill have to eat my frosted flakes first, and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, and get a shave before I can deal with you.  And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears .

A half hour passes.  Then an hour.  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.    I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway .

Im outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up.  You cant sit in the gravel like this.  Come back inside.

Inside, two more hours pass

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesnt need me today.
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« Reply #1230 on: May 31, 2010, 11:45:20 AM »

WE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE

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   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it
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« Reply #1231 on: May 31, 2010, 11:49:11 AM »

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277; ISBN10: 0061452270; Imprint: HarperOne ; On Sale: 10/2/2007

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Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
by Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637
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« Reply #1232 on: May 31, 2010, 12:46:13 PM »

MAY 30, 2005 MAY 31, 2005

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Page 6:
  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7:  Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....
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« Reply #1233 on: May 31, 2010, 12:56:24 PM »

Good morning Monkeys, and hoping all have safe travel on this three-day weekend. Nobody needs reminding that we are commemorating lives lost in military service, and a special salute to those families.

Unfortunately, I'm sure all of us here forever will associate this particular weekend with Natalee Holloway's disappearance five years ago. Beth and Dave and the rest of the family are in my thoughts.

Below is similar to the flowers the Atlanta monkeys gave to Beth during her Atlanta stop on her book tour, a dozen yellow roses --



I wish I had something profound or at least helpful to offer, but I got nothing. It's just so sad ...



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« Reply #1234 on: May 31, 2010, 01:00:51 PM »

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html
Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm   |   reporter: Ebony Hall   posted by: Ebony Hall

Mountain Brook, AL - It was a story that made headlines across the globe. The search for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. The story that dominated the airwaves- also took over Beth Holloway's life. She is Natalee's mother, and five years later, she is still looking for answers and hoping Aruban prosecutors can close this case.

"I'm not sure if there is anything new, but they are processing all the leads and the tips that they have received."

Natalee is now presumed dead, but no one knows how she died or why.
We've really tried to be so careful and not to speculate as to what happened an just stick with the known facts."

We do know that Natalee was last seen alive with Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot at Carlos n' Charlie's. Over the years, van der Sloot has told many stories of what happened that night. All the while Beth listened to each of these tales hoping to find a thread of truth.

"I think there was one where he said he sold her alive.I think there was another where he said she fell of a balcony in a swamp. I think now it's become so muddy for me that no my journey for justice is not ended."

It's been five years since Natalee disappeared. Legally, her family could now file for a death certificate in Alabama, but they have not thus far since Natalee disappeared abroad.
"We know that Natalee is no longer alive. I know we had talked about that earlier, few years ago,but it is not something that we have done yet."

Over the years, Beth and her family have learned how to deal with the pain of losing Natalee, but it is still an open wound. In March, a Pennsylvania couple thought they may have taken a picture of a body- maybe Natalee's body- on the ocean floor. News like that- always makes the family hopeful.

"You know I got caught up for a just- you get taken in. But as I said, there is a quicker recovery time where I am able to compartmentalize it and focus on what I can do..."

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference
Beth Holloway thought she knew exactly who she was more than five years ago.

"My life was defined with two children, a marriage, job and home. When a tragedy strikes, you lose everything."

During the Memorial Day weekend of 2005, Beth's life changed forever. With Natalee missing, she was now the mother of one- not two. She would later divorce her then husband Jug Twitty. So she was no longer a wife. Her life "definition" changed- and with it so did her life's purpose.

"I received the call that all mothers and fathers dread from the moment their children is born- that my daughter was missing."

So now her mission is to help others. Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8.

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

Beth says she had no idea who to contact in Aruba when Natalee went missing. She also knew nothing about the Dutch system of Justice or who was in charge. Out of her frustration a new global security and assistance company was born. It's called Mayday 360.

"When I present to these high school and college students, I could give them the personal safety and travel safety message, but I really felt like I couldn't equip them with a real tangible resource. And I feel with Mayday 360, I can because that is real time, real security assistance, 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..

"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."
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« Reply #1235 on: May 31, 2010, 01:45:28 PM »

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm   |   reporter: Ebony Hall   posted by: Ebony Hall



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She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..

"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."


Thank you trimmonthelake.

 

Janet

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Page 23:
  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

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« Reply #1236 on: May 31, 2010, 02:53:15 PM »

Natalee Holloway, Missing in Aruba 5 Years Later Beth Holloway Fights on for Missing Persons
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« Reply #1237 on: May 31, 2010, 05:27:12 PM »

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« Reply #1238 on: May 31, 2010, 05:54:02 PM »

Nice grouping of early videos posted by Resigned at RU:

Rewind - 2005 ------

June 3

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/missing-in-aruba/671rhe5

June 7

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/aruba-search/6oyzg24

June 9
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/aruba-arrests/6mxda36


June 10
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/aruba-probe/65qaetl

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/david-holloway-interview/69ymvs2

June 13
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/aruba-probe/6qabvfb

July 5
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/aruba-developments/6mk8dim
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« Reply #1239 on: May 31, 2010, 06:09:18 PM »






Inquiring minds wonder what the tomorrow's outcome will be in regards to the defamation case.

Will the Kalpoes comply with the court's order to produce requested case documents or ... will the judge dismiss the Kalpoes' defamation again Phil McGraw or ... will the judge grant ANOTHER extention?

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