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« Reply #1880 on: June 02, 2010, 08:39:15 PM »

Unless the embassy/consulate doesn't cooperate.
I hope he doesn't make it to any consulate.
They need to find him NOW.
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« Reply #1881 on: June 02, 2010, 08:40:55 PM »

Film tells story of Natalee Holloway, an alleged victim of Joran van der Sloot

The alleged murderer of Stephany Flores was involved in the disappearance of a young woman in Aruba coincidentally the same day that the girl died Lima

The name of Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to police reporters. On May 30, 2005, the young student who knew Natalee Holloway at a casino in Aruba disappeared but until now has found its whereabouts.

The story of Natalee Holloway (2009) is the title of the film. The story revolves around during the graduation trip to Aruba, a crazy night with friends becomes a tragic night for Natalee Holloway.

The native of Alabama teen disappears without a trace, your holiday become a nightmare for his family. Without any clue to his whereabouts, his mother Beth Holloway Twitty, is released to a frustrating search for more than four years. Together with her husband George and her best friend Carol, Beth struggles to discover the truth.

Natalee Ann Holloway (born October 21, 1986) disappeared on May 30, 2005, during a graduation trip to Aruba, a Caribbean country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The American student from Mountain Brook, Alabama, Holloway graduated from Mountain Brook High School on May 24, 2005, shortly before the trip. His disappearance caused a media sensation in the United States. Holloway was scheduled to fly home later than May 30, but failed to show for your flight.

She was last seen by her classmates outside of Carlos' n Charlie "s, a Caribbean chain restaurant and nightclub in Oranjestad, in a car with Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. When questioned, the three men said that they left their hotel and denied knowing the whereabouts of Holloway.

Upon further investigation by authorities, Van der Sloot was arrested twice for alleged involvement in the disappearance and were arrested Kalpas three times each. Due to lack of evidence to the three men were released without charge after each arrest.

With the help of hundreds of volunteers, Aruban investigators conducted an extensive search for Holloway. FBI Special Agents, Netherlands fifty soldiers and three specialized aircraft F-16 Netherlands Air Force participated in the search. Besides the ground search, divers examined the ocean floor in search of Holloway's body. The searches were unsuccessful, and according to Aruban authorities it is likely that she is dead.

On December 18, 2007, Aruban prosecutors announced that the case was closed without charges against the suspects. The Aruban prosecutor's office reopened the case on February 1, 2008, after a video footage of Joran van der Sloot, under the influence of marijuana, which stated that Holloway died on the morning of May 30 2005 and disposed of her body.

In the video, Van der Sloot has the night of May 29, 2005, he met Natalee Holloway at a casino in Aruba. They both went to the beach where they exchanged caresses. According to Van der Sloot, the boy suddenly began to shake and then no longer react. He tried all means to return itself, but was unsuccessful. Joran van der Sloot's body hidden in the bushes to the beach and heads for the Marriott hotel where a friend called from a payphone.

This friend, named Daury, go to your call and together we have Natalee's body to the boat of his friend, he is thrown into sea and throws the body into the ocean. Then again meet with Van der Sloot and instructs the next day to go to school and behave normally, as if it had happened. In the conversations, recorded with hidden cameras, the Sloot tells Van that he slept well that night. He says the body will not be found and that police have no evidence against him. Consequently expected compensation for the two occasions he was detained in jail in Aruba.

Van der Sloot later denied that what he said was true, and subsequently gave an interview with Greta Van Susteren (contents of which he later retracted) that he sold to Holloway said in a white slavery operation.

Holloway's family has criticized Aruban investigators regarding a lack of progress in the search for Natalee. The family also called for a boycott of Aruba, which gained the support of Alabama Governor Bob Riley, but could not widely supported.

Joran van der Sloot is now also required to investigate the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-02-filme-narra-historia-de-natalee-holloway-presunta-victima-de-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269494.html
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« Reply #1883 on: June 02, 2010, 08:41:23 PM »

on Sunday,

Like so many here I was thinking about Natalee, but I do that every day.

I was gonna post my normal - we miss you Nat and we're not givin' up.

But I said that so many times, said it almost everyday since this horror happened.

I just reflected.

I thought about the last five years.

And I read that someone somewhere died of cancer, and became and angel in Heaven.

and someone's heart was broken.

And I got a tear in my eye over someone I didn't even know. Someone so young and her kids will miss her. Terribly.

And then I thought about Beth and all the messages from the Monks and Monkettes that love her and Natalee.

So I reflected.

And in my heart - I KNEW something was wrong somewhere. Not just what happened to Natalee.

But something new.

And I new from some of the messages - especially - Keep the Faith's.

The End was near.

I finally felt it.

I knew it.

And it's been a long five years.

I didn't know if I could make it the whole way at times.

I was wondering if I could handle all the heart break of arrested and released - over and over.

I know many felt the same way.

It's been a long five years.

In my heart - I knew Joran would kill someone again, and I often posted about "future crimes".

I knew in my heart that God's plan was not to let Natalee or Stephany suffer - or any of his victims.

However, I knew there would always be another murder.

And that murder would put him away forever.

It's been a long five years.

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To all the great friends we've all made - you will always have my respect and admiration. It goes without saying, but I will mention it to make it known and acknowledge it.

We have been thru so much while awaiting the day when Joran would be exposed for the spawn of hell he truly is.

To all those that took so much abuse and still got up in the morning - you are a big part of God's plan and you should feel honored. You know who you are. God chooses some people for truly wonderful, yet trying endeavors.

To all those that doubted, obfuscated, concealed and acted as stealth agents, you were exposed and you should hang your heads in shame, but I know that you all have no shame. And you know who you are and so do we.

It's been a long five years, but the end of the road is in sight. Finally.

Prayers for Stephany and Natalee.



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« Reply #1884 on: June 02, 2010, 08:43:19 PM »

Tacna Migration confirms that murder suspect, Joran van der Sloot, left the country
Confirmed: He fled to Chile


| CPN RADIO - 02 JUN | The Tacna Migration Directorate confirmed that the murder suspect, Joran van der Sloot, left the country bound for Chile on Monday at two o'clock in the afternoon.

The head of the agency, Óscar Zubieta, said the alleged killer of young Sthefany Ramirez Flores, took a taxi that took him from the heroic city of Arica.

He said the citizens Netherlands requisitoriados not listed as the crime of American teen, Natalee Holloway, which is also involved.

http://www.cpnradio.pe/html/2010/06/02/11/1314.htm
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« Reply #1885 on: June 02, 2010, 08:43:34 PM »

OMG!  So now Joran is a "playboy"?  Need that puke emoticon...Joran's a lot of things but "playboy" doesn't come to mind.  More like sociopath, murderer, liar and etc.

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/71
(video)/747/Holloway_Suspect_Sought_in_Peru_Killing:_Was_Set_to_Play_in_Poker_Tour_-.html
Holloway Suspect Sought in Peru Killing: Was Set to Play in Poker Tour -
Joran van der Sloot, the 22-year-old Dutch playboy twice arrested in the mysterious disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, has been named the prime suspect in the death of a young Peruvian woman found dead over the weekend in a Lima hotel.

 

Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, 21, was found at the Miraflores Hotel Tac in Lima, Peru on Sunday in room registered to van der Sloot, who was arrested and released in connection with thedisappearance of Holloway , an 18-year-old American student who went missing inAruba five years ago this week.

Officials believe Flores was killed exactly five years after Holloway's May 30, 2005, disappearance.
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« Reply #1886 on: June 02, 2010, 08:43:45 PM »

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Unless the embassy/consulate doesn't cooperate

from what i understand, thats what could make it complicated.
the consulate, is your helper lifeline,when you have probs,someplace
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« Reply #1887 on: June 02, 2010, 08:44:15 PM »

Nancy Grace said she would not be surprised that Joran left a trail of victims behind him.

 Hi San !

 I am running back and forth.. !! Since he dont speak spanish.. its a matter of time since he gets caught and I hope thats it this time.. SICK  5 years to the day the psycho.. Well.. you know my mouth San.. I could write every cuss word possible.. lol

Hi Angie, sorry i was running back and forth too and just saw your post.  Yes it's sick.
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« Reply #1888 on: June 02, 2010, 08:46:22 PM »

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Unless the embassy/consulate doesn't cooperate

from what i understand, thats what could make it complicated.
the consulate, is your helper lifeline,when you have probs,someplace


Natalee's case has taught me to not trust the authorities in Aruba or in Holland! He just needs to be caught out of their reach!

Death Penalty is not an option in Chile, but that prison is real!
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« Reply #1889 on: June 02, 2010, 08:46:40 PM »

Interpol on the trail of the murderer of Stephany Flores

Interpol is following in the footsteps of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), alleged murderer of Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez (21), found dead this morning at the Miraflores hotel Tac, fled to Chile, said the father of the victim, Ricardo Flores, businessman racer.


All indications point to Van der Sloot, who had committed murder in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Ann Holloway, a crime which was not clarified because the body was never found. This man confessed his authorship to an undercover agent, but later retracted.

Stephany Van der Sloot was with before her death, after leaving her friends at their homes in San Isidro in the morning. At 5:16 left in the casino with him said his father.

The criminal came from Peru on Monday May 31 by land, perhaps for Argentina, which he and Chilean police were alerted.

The modus operandi of the murderer agrees with what happened in Aruba, in this case because the victim was last seen in a Chinese restaurant with Van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. In his confession, which then retracted, the murderer said he jumped into the sea Holloway's body with the help of the two brothers.

The murderer was staying at the hotel Tac, where he was staying in Lima, where on 14 May came from Colombia to participate in a poker tournament.

Stephany slashed to have died after struggling for his life, as anticipated, but the results of the autopsy are not yet concluded.


The testimony of the hotel staff Tac and Atlantic City casino, as well as videos from security cameras Van der Sloot incriminate the death.

This crime already filled headlines today Holland, country of origin of the subject, which deplored the fact and blame the poor justice system, clarified that the first killing of Aruba, which is why the criminal on the loose.

The fact should make parents think, for the nightlife of their adolescent children and young people are exposed to cases like this. Do you know what the club is looking fellow who haunts his daughter? Will those where girls are treated as prostitutes in dances of "perreo" imported from other countries? and promoted in the program schedule under degenerate like Gisella Valcárcel? Do you know if they are passing these casinos or nightclubs drunk to other places? Do you know if your child what are leading to alcoholism, drugs or forced homosexual relations? Much of this happens when there is no communication between parents and children or there is an excess of freedom misunderstood.

http://connuestroperu.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11241&Itemid=38
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« Reply #1890 on: June 02, 2010, 08:47:03 PM »

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/was-van-der-sloot-aanotiltkk-poker-sites-060210.html
Was Van der Sloot AANOTILTKK on Poker Sites?

Almost immediately following breaking news Wednesday afternoon that Joran van der Sloot was wanted for murder in Peru, the online poker community began asking what handle van der Sloot used on various card room sites upon learning he had flown to Lima for the Latin American Poker Tour (LAPT).

"AANOTILTKK" has come up repeatedly and some have said he's won enough money playing online poker to sustain a pretty nice lifestyle.

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalie Holloway, is being sought in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel.  Casino video surveillance showed Van der Sloot with the woman, whose father is a well known race car driver in Peru.

The killing of Flores occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.

Last year, AANOTILTKK won over $13,000 at the Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed.

But this is not the only handle associated with Van der Sloot.  He reportedly also played at Titan Poker using the name Joran888 and his logo was a blond girl like Natalee Holloway.

Joran888 has never won a tournament, but finished three times in the money.

Ace King, Gambling911.com

 
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« Reply #1891 on: June 02, 2010, 08:47:55 PM »

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Unless the embassy/consulate doesn't cooperate

from what i understand, thats what could make it complicated.
the consulate, is your helper lifeline,when you have probs,someplace


Except in ARUBA.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1892 on: June 02, 2010, 08:49:30 PM »

Rob, I was a member here since 2005, but rarely took part in the discussions.

You were all so knowledgeable about the case and it was all I could do just to read and try to keep up.

But this forum was the first one that I ever saw where the members absolutely committed themselves to the victim.  Put their money where their mouths were.  Actually got on airplanes and went in search of this girl.

The people who were charged with protecting Natalee's rights let her down - covered up due to pride and money.

You guys never did and I am so in awe of all of you.

Night, all.  Hopefully when I wake, he will be in custody and will never again be released.

RIP Natalee and Stephany.
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« Reply #1894 on: June 02, 2010, 08:49:35 PM »

Dutchman tries to communicate with his lawyer after hearing news of the murder of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores

Lima (Peru.com) .- The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is reported by others with his lawyer after being accused of killing Stephany Flores (21), daughter of businessman and racer known Ricardo Flores.
 
This was reported to RPP's own counsel, Josephine Tacopina, who know where to find his client, but said he did not have any restrictions to travel anywhere in the world.
 
"The mail seems to be a third person who incidentally has contacted me and told me what my sponsor is trying to contact me to get legal advice," he said.
He noted it would be "difficult" to defend van der Sloot in our country for the crime of Flores Ramirez, known as Peruvian law.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100602/100065/Holandes-trata-de-comunicarse-con-su-abogado-tras-conocer-noticia-del-crimen-de-la-hija-del-empresario-Ricardo-Flores
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« Reply #1895 on: June 02, 2010, 08:50:59 PM »

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/was-van-der-sloot-aanotiltkk-poker-sites-060210.html
Was Van der Sloot AANOTILTKK on Poker Sites?

Almost immediately following breaking news Wednesday afternoon that Joran van der Sloot was wanted for murder in Peru, the online poker community began asking what handle van der Sloot used on various card room sites upon learning he had flown to Lima for the Latin American Poker Tour (LAPT).

"AANOTILTKK" has come up repeatedly and some have said he's won enough money playing online poker to sustain a pretty nice lifestyle.

Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalie Holloway, is being sought in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel.  Casino video surveillance showed Van der Sloot with the woman, whose father is a well known race car driver in Peru.

The killing of Flores occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.

Last year, AANOTILTKK won over $13,000 at the Party Poker $ 300K Guaranteed.

But this is not the only handle associated with Van der Sloot.  He reportedly also played at Titan Poker using the name Joran888 and his logo was a blond girl like Natalee Holloway.

Joran888 has never won a tournament, but finished three times in the money.

Ace King, Gambling911.com

 

Oh that's just sick. No, this killing on the 5 year anniversary was no coincidence, IMO!
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« Reply #1896 on: June 02, 2010, 08:51:39 PM »

on Sunday,

Like so many here I was thinking about Natalee, but I do that every day.

I was gonna post my normal - we miss you Nat and we're not givin' up.

But I said that so many times, said it almost everyday since this horror happened.

I just reflected.

I thought about the last five years.

And I read that someone somewhere died of cancer, and became and angel in Heaven.

and someone's heart was broken.

And I got a tear in my eye over someone I didn't even know. Someone so young and her kids will miss her. Terribly.

And then I thought about Beth and all the messages from the Monks and Monkettes that love her and Natalee.

So I reflected.

And in my heart - I KNEW something was wrong somewhere. Not just what happened to Natalee.

But something new.

And I new from some of the messages - especially - Keep the Faith's.

The End was near.

I finally felt it.

I knew it.

And it's been a long five years.

I didn't know if I could make it the whole way at times.

I was wondering if I could handle all the heart break of arrested and released - over and over.

I know many felt the same way.

It's been a long five years.

In my heart - I knew Joran would kill someone again, and I often posted about "future crimes".

I knew in my heart that God's plan was not to let Natalee or Stephany suffer - or any of his victims.

However, I knew there would always be another murder.

And that murder would put him away forever.

It's been a long five years.

+++

To all the great friends we've all made - you will always have my respect and admiration. It goes without saying, but I will mention it to make it known and acknowledge it.

We have been thru so much while awaiting the day when Joran would be exposed for the spawn of hell he truly is.

To all those that took so much abuse and still got up in the morning - you are a big part of God's plan and you should feel honored. You know who you are. God chooses some people for truly wonderful, yet trying endeavors.

To all those that doubted, obfuscated, concealed and acted as stealth agents, you were exposed and you should hang your heads in shame, but I know that you all have no shame. And you know who you are and so do we.

It's been a long five years, but the end of the road is in sight. Finally.

Prayers for Stephany and Natalee.


Love ya Rob!  (((hugs)))

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1897 on: June 02, 2010, 08:52:37 PM »

I would like to make one more point- separately from my last post, and that's why I am posting this by itself.

To you haters - that said that We (here at SM) would take JUSTICE into our own hands, to settle the score, to make it even Steve -

It was Joran that killed again.

It was US (here at SM) that warned again and again that Joran would kill someone.

You laughed, You defended. You enabled.

We here @ SM did our best and our part to prevent Joran from killing anyone again.

We wrote to the State Department again and again,

We wrote to the Hague.

We WROTE to the Queen. We had few allies in Holland and none on Aruba.

You, too, own this atrocity.

While you laff'd, we cried.

The tables have turned and you need to examine your own pathetic lives.

Most of you have spent the last five years enabling exactly what occurred in Peru, and you hold much of the responsibility.

Those of you that have any soul left, I encourage you to denounce your previous posts - 5 years worth - and apologize to Beth and Dave. That's a start. You were wrong.
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« Reply #1898 on: June 02, 2010, 08:52:51 PM »

Magnolia,

I hope you're here...even though I can't see you!

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1899 on: June 02, 2010, 08:53:04 PM »

Rob, I was a member here since 2005, but rarely took part in the discussions.

You were all so knowledgeable about the case and it was all I could do just to read and try to keep up.

But this forum was the first one that I ever saw where the members absolutely committed themselves to the victim.  Put their money where their mouths were.  Actually got on airplanes and went in search of this girl.

The people who were charged with protecting Natalee's rights let her down - covered up due to pride and money.

You guys never did and I am so in awe of all of you.

Night, all.  Hopefully when I wake, he will be in custody and will never again be released.

RIP Natalee and Stephany.

Night Jill! I'm praying your hopes comes true!
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