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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2007, 10:32:26 PM »

dear none........I know this must be a sensitive subject for you. I appreciate your input so much.
We should have done more the first time around, there is no doubt. But now that we are there again, I believe we must do whatever is necessary to win. I agree with that wholeheartedly. What I don't agree with is not allowing the military to do what it takes without micromanaging, and without everything they need to be successful.If that means more troops. then so be it. The generals know their business, and I do have faith in them. I just don't think George 2 did a great job with leadership during this trying time, and I have no faith in him.
War has a tremendous impact on military families, as you well know. If our military personnel are in combat, then we as a country must be behind them 100%. Dubya has not provided that confident leadership for us either. I see that as a huge problem. He hasn't sold the American people on the long haul, and his missteps have caused some doubt in the purpose of our presence in Iraq.
It's become an image problem.
I think the military leaders know what they need, and that's who we need to look to for answers.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2007, 09:50:41 AM »

pdh3-

I guess I haven't viewed this in a simplistic way, for I thought from day one of this war that we could possibly win this particularly battle but likely lose the war to an Iraq or Iran or South Korea launching nuclear weapons against us. I still believe that will likely be the eventual outcome.

I don't believe wars can be won as they used to be, I think the Vietnam War was our first experience with modern war and such a hard lesson.

I just think we have to adapt our expectations to reality and just as the world has changed, so has war. I also believe as you do that our military leaders are the subject matter experts, but I also believe they must work collaboratively with our leadership.

Honestly I just think the issues and the problems are larger and more complex than our military leadership not having enough carte blanche to do as they see fit, or more troops, or more weapons and supplies or even better weapons. I also wouldn't wish to be president during this era for some countries and factions in the middle east are the embodiment of a foe willing to destroy themselves in order to destroy us. How do you win against such as that? I honestly do not think you can, at least not in politically correct ways.
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2007, 02:54:47 PM »

The Middle East is a complicated area of the world, with cultural differences that seem insurmountable sometimes. Whatever we end up accomplishing, those differences will always exist. The US cannot undo thousands of years of animosity amoung people who have no wish to reside peacefully. It is a dilemna. Diplomacy will not work, and this war is currently not as successful as 4 years of fighting should have been.
It isn't a simple problem to fix, none. You're exactly right about political correctness too. But after all is said and done, I do think history will tell us that the Bush Admin., in the early years, mismanaged this war and made critical mistakes. If you look back at every war we've ever fought there have been costly mistakes made by one side or another. This one IMHO, is no different. The biggest mistake is that he lost the support of the American people for the most part. Leadership is critical in hard times like these.
Many people think the terrorists will attack us again soon. I think they won't do anything to unite us again. They like the division over the war, and the non-support of the people for Pres. Bush. They know we have a short attention span.
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2007, 03:17:24 PM »

Actually PHD3... I disagree with you on Stacy London... yes, she can be harsh but every single show ends with the person feeling wonderful about themselves and understanding that they deserve to pay attention to themselves - and whether or not it's shallow, it is a fact of life that you must follow the rules of dressing correctly etc...... I am a paralegal and the show where they took the young mother out of tight jeans and spagetti strapped tops and put her into suits and showed her how to dress, I know helped her professionally.... because law firms are still staid when it comes to dressing.... most firms and corporate offices do not allow jeans or sloppy dressing.... and that includes having well groomed hair....

I would agree with you more wholeheartedly if we were talking extreme makeovers like the ones where they tell the person they have to have a facelift, botox, etc.... Stacey London is a little edgy, but I have noticed on every single show she tells the person they are beautiful... and that they have potential... but we digress...


I disagree with you on the first Gulf War, because we should have stayed and finished it....

you so dislike W, but I think he is doing what needs to be done in the face of what is at stake while our other so-called leaders are doing all they can to destroy him...
I was reading that the Democrats are going to block more troops and cut funding for the war and just pull out...

I pray to GOD that it's all a sound bite, because if we do, we will be hit so hard not only by the terrorists, but North Korea, et.al that we will not breathe again....

the bombing last week of the US Embassy in Greece was the beginning of them striking again because they know we have forgotten 911... and they now know that we don't have the stomach or will to defeat them.... or at least they don't think we do....
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2007, 05:37:34 AM »

For those who need to further your educations, here's some important text:

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, an atheist from Witchita, Kansas.  Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.

When Barack Hussein Obama was two year's old, his parents divorced.  His father then returned to Kenya.  His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia.  When Barack Hussein Obama was six years old, the family relocated to Indonesia.  Barack Hussein Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta.

Barack Hussein Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.  He is quick to point out that "he was once a Muslim, but also attended a Catholic school".

Barack Hussein Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Barack Hussein Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father and that this influence was temporary at best.  In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.  Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Barack Hussein Obama's mother, Ann Durham,  introduced his stepson to Islam.  Barack Hussein Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.  Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging jihad against the western world.

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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2007, 01:11:14 PM »

This has all been previously discussed.  I don't think any Monkey has disputed his early ties to Islam.   We are trying to understand what it means now.
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2007, 02:53:15 PM »

mrs. red.......I think Stacey London could show the participant on the show how to dress without the demeaning comments and eye rolling and belittling that goes on. If someone treated me that way, I would not appreciate it at all. There are nicer ways to get a point across, IMHO. I do realize that certain professions require a person to dress in a certain way. I don't have a problem with pointers on that. It's just the way Stacey acts that I don't like. And I do hate all the emphasis on the exterior and none on character. It's hard to raise kids to appreciate the right things when the media is emphasizing all the wrong ones.
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2007, 02:28:15 AM »

I just don't trust any person who suddenly changes their religion when it becomes politically expedient to do so.

The liberal left and their lap dog media will not support anything Bush does, never have, never will.

It didn't matter what he did or how the war in Iraq was managed, we are kidding ourselves if we think for one minute that he would receive anything like the support he deserved or our troops the backing they should have had when it is more expedient to garner votes to trash him and the war effort.

Whatever gets votes is what our liberal media will portray as the truth, fact, etc.  If it will get them elected in a midterm election to say the war is a failure, then by golly, it will be portrayed as a failure.  Following this, with an enemy so heartened by their efforts, the battle becomes unwinnable by normal standards.  Happened in Vietnam and is happening again, thanks to the same folks.  They did learn something from Vietnam, after all.

And this is a sad fact.  

Another sad fact is that this same liberal left cares nothing of the possible millions who will once again lose their lives as a result of our cut and run policy just as the death camps of Cambodia, etc. gave us.  Anything to win and election and grasp a little bit of power.  We have seen this all before.  And before, they took no responsibility for what happened when the surrender monkeys got their way and when it happens again in the Middle East, they will again turn a blind eye to what they have done.

Only problem this time is they will be coming here for us, next and will not limit their genocide and mass murder to one location.  This jihad is global and surrender at any step of the way is going to cost us dearly in the long run.  This time, it won't just be half a world away.

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2007, 08:38:27 PM »

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mrs. red.......I think Stacey London could show the participant on the show how to dress without the demeaning comments and eye rolling and belittling that goes on. If someone treated me that way, I would not appreciate it at all. There are nicer ways to get a point across, IMHO. I do realize that certain professions require a person to dress in a certain way. I don't have a problem with pointers on that. It's just the way Stacey acts that I don't like. And I do hate all the emphasis on the exterior and none on character. It's hard to raise kids to appreciate the right things when the media is emphasizing all the wrong ones.


Ok.. .she probly could be nicer at times, but then agian, she also takes a lot of grief from some of these women and men.  THe one thing I do like is the message of cover it up.... she always makes sure that the women and men know that hoochie is a huge NO!!   Yes, there is so much emphasis on the exterior, but let's face it... it is in reality the first thing people see or know about you.... and to be well groomed makes an important statement, IMO
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 08:40:01 PM »

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I just don't trust any person who suddenly changes their religion when it becomes politically expedient to do so.

The liberal left and their lap dog media will not support anything Bush does, never have, never will.

It didn't matter what he did or how the war in Iraq was managed, we are kidding ourselves if we think for one minute that he would receive anything like the support he deserved or our troops the backing they should have had when it is more expedient to garner votes to trash him and the war effort.

Whatever gets votes is what our liberal media will portray as the truth, fact, etc.  If it will get them elected in a midterm election to say the war is a failure, then by golly, it will be portrayed as a failure.  Following this, with an enemy so heartened by their efforts, the battle becomes unwinnable by normal standards.  Happened in Vietnam and is happening again, thanks to the same folks.  They did learn something from Vietnam, after all.

And this is a sad fact.  

Another sad fact is that this same liberal left cares nothing of the possible millions who will once again lose their lives as a result of our cut and run policy just as the death camps of Cambodia, etc. gave us.  Anything to win and election and grasp a little bit of power.  We have seen this all before.  And before, they took no responsibility for what happened when the surrender monkeys got their way and when it happens again in the Middle East, they will again turn a blind eye to what they have done.

Only problem this time is they will be coming here for us, next and will not limit their genocide and mass murder to one location.  This jihad is global and surrender at any step of the way is going to cost us dearly in the long run.  This time, it won't just be half a world away.

JMO.


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ANNA.... I am giving you a Standing OVation on this one... couldn't have expressed it any better
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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2007, 11:10:26 AM »

Anna's post here is a classic example of how the truth can hurt and I only wish our polticians had to read this ten times over !
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2007, 08:52:09 AM »

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in no way do I think that smokers are second class citizens, in fact as much as I dislike the smell... I don't believe in any of these states that are banning smokers....


in fact in MAINE, they are trying to pass a law that says you may not smoke outside at all... .not even in your own back yard....

wow... that is the first of decisions I don't want made for me...


Hi Mrs Red.

I live in Maine,  I had not heard about this law you are talking about.  The law that just passed last week was by the city of Bangor,  You cannot smoke in your vehicle while children are present inside the vehicle.

You cannot smoke in any public restaurants or even bars here.
You cannot smoke in any buildings, malls, offices or whatever.
I had not heard about  banning smoking in your own back yard.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2007, 07:33:22 PM »

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in no way do I think that smokers are second class citizens, in fact as much as I dislike the smell... I don't believe in any of these states that are banning smokers....


in fact in MAINE, they are trying to pass a law that says you may not smoke outside at all... .not even in your own back yard....

wow... that is the first of decisions I don't want made for me...


Hi Mrs Red.

I live in Maine,  I had not heard about this law you are talking about.  The law that just passed last week was by the city of Bangor,  You cannot smoke in your vehicle while children are present inside the vehicle.

You cannot smoke in any public restaurants or even bars here.
You cannot smoke in any buildings, malls, offices or whatever.
I had not heard about  banning smoking in your own back yard.


Hey Ms... that stance is being advocated a little further south..... on the border, shall we say??? Below Portland....
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2007, 09:06:45 PM »

This ain't Obama related but... I agree that there should be no smoking in a vehicle with children in it. And I agree that smoking should be banned in public buildings (almost wrote that as pubic buidings!) and at the entrances to them. I felt this way long before I considered stopping smoking. Cigarette smike kills.
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2007, 09:08:52 PM »

smike = smoke  Embarassed
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2007, 08:10:43 AM »

In  an adoption course I took,  we learned that smoking inside your vehicle weather there are children present or not,  the smoke lingers inside for 12 hours afterwards.  Thats a long time!
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2007, 11:56:46 AM »

Smoking is a public health issue and as such can be regulated by government agencies, although it is legal.  Alcohol also is a legal drug, but restrictions apply.
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2007, 01:18:45 PM »

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Today on FOX, I heard Dick Morris being interviewed. I searched the FOX website to try to find the transcripts but I can't find 'em. I've heard him make political predictions before.

What I heard (not an exact quote): Morris said, "Hillary Clinton will be the next President. She will have a race with Obama but in the end, he will be her vice president."


God help us all if Hillary wins...which I think is doubtful...there are so many Democratic candidates  with their hats in the ring...and Mitt Romney jsut threw his in this morning
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2007, 01:21:59 PM »

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LV... the misery index was created specifically when Carter was president.  It indexs the unemployment, inflation, interest rates, etc... during a president's tenure.  Under Carter it was the highes that this country has ever known... interest rates for buying homes was 21%, unemployment was at an all time high, and everyone was struggling.... in ways we can't even think of remembering now.... there were still people during that time that didn't have things we think of as necessities which back then were luxury items... (or considered to be).

The American athletes were not allowed to participate in the Olympics because Carter wanted to show those hard-liners that we would be tough..... and of course there was the kidnapping of the Americans.  

That my dear is the misery index.....

and I know you think we botched this war in Iraq... but I think the media would like us to believe that it is hopeless.... I think there is more to the good than we will ever hear... and let's face it, as Gulliani says - if Iraq wasn't important in brining democracy, peace ... some HOPE to that region, the terrorist insurgents wouldn't be fighting so adamently to keep it under their rule... Like it or not, if we just tuck our tail and run, that is when we will all be under the burka rules....

we have to finish and stay strong.... if the media and US had acted this way during the world wars, we would be speaking Japanese or German....


BRAVO Mrs. Red!!!
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Anna's post here is a classic example of how the truth can hurt and I only wish our polticians had to read this ten times over !


Well said NONE...and as usual Anna is right on top of things...thank you Anna for all you do and all you share with us.
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