Caylee Marie Anthony #160 4/09/10 - 4/28/10

[Rowanvamp0]

Okay guys off to listen more to the Robyn Adams jail calls..I'll point out anything if it pertains to Casey as I did before..so far after listening to 33 calls she's only mentioned 3 times the last call was the issue I brought up had more weight to it so I'll keep you all posted!

[Brandi]

Ya know, as I just posted the above on Nadia's thread I had another thought.   How is it the Anthonys felt justified having a fit and fiery when anyone used or did anything on behalf of Caylee and yet they in concert with their sidekicks the Milsteads of KFN have no problem creating publications & a website in Nadia's name without the expressed permission of the Bloom family?    These people are unconscionable!! 

Slime. All of them.

[Cappuccino]

Ya know, as I just posted the above on Nadia's thread I had another thought.   How is it the Anthonys felt justified having a fit and fiery when anyone used or did anything on behalf of Caylee and yet they in concert with their sidekicks the Milsteads of KFN have no problem creating publications & a website in Nadia's name without the expressed permission of the Bloom family?    These people are unconscionable!! 

Slime. All of them.

To say the least or at least what can be said without a ton of BLEEPS.

[mizjay]

So Casey said in her letters that her real friend Zenaida she has known for four years, of course nobody has seen her real friend of four years. Casey doesn't think Zenaida had anything to do with Caylee's death. She doesn't blame Zenaida, even though she gave Zenaida, Caylee to watch for a few days, and then wouldn't give Caylee back to her. WTH the only thing that I can come up with here is Casey is Zenaida, and she forgives her, meaning she forgives herself.  This is just crazy. I'm done analyzing these letters.

nrcg..........this, bolded above, is IMO exactly correct

That is scary to me, and I don't know what that all means as far as mental health issues go. I know people suspect she is a sociopath, don't know if that kind of thing would fit into that, but to me she seems crazy.

Me too! She's nutz.
The really crazy thing is, all the changing identities that Cindy did in her interrogations. Amy= Zanny Ricardo= Nanny, Jesse= ZG , Tony= Jeff  or whoever is whoever...is it any wonder that after a lifetime of always having mom clean up and rewrite history for any drama by making the blame be on any one else, even if it's a fantasy person, that it would come naturally to step outside of the guilty box and let a pretend person be the culprit. To me the crazy part comes in when, she seems to have blurred the lines that she made the person up on purpose.  I'm pretty sure that CinCin knew exactly who and why she was throwing to the wolves and in the past I'm pretty sure KC knew exactly when she was concocting some imaginary co-worker or boss, but now it sounds like KC is slipping into bonafide insanity ( not meaning she was insane when she killed Caylee) just off her rocker

Not that I'm on Casey's side in this AT ALL, just trying to understand her.  It seems likely that Casey felt the need to BE someone else at any given time, while growing up and then afterward, just in order to please Cindy.  Casey may have felt that she never was 'good enough' for her parents, being who she was, as she was.  And may have turned to making things up (lying thru her teeth) just in order to keep things rolling along smoothly.  It's not unheard of.  And folks who have done this aren't 'insane', it's one form of coping with their life the only way they may know of at the time.  When someone spends a whole childhood like this, it continues on into adulthood, they are used to it.  In adulthood tho, this type of thing, when it continues, doesn't work so very well out in the real world.  Am thinking most folks who do this may not even know anymore 'how' to turn it off.  So in that respect, if this is true for Casey, IMO, it's sad, very sad, but doesn't justify her doing what she did to Caylee.  Just points even more (in my opinion) to how Cindy/George seems to have brought on much in how Casey turned out, and as a result, in what happened to Caylee as well.  JMO.   
 

Hey Wyks. all that you said might be right, guess we may never know why she is copying and cloning herself. I couldn't agree with you more on Cindy/george nurturing her into what she became. It's crystal clear that the extent that they are willing to go to keep her from suffering just consequences is like none I've ever heard about. They have nearly implicated themselves as accessories to the crime with non stop interference, all in a pattern that they instituted long before the homicide.  Obviously they can't be doing these things because they want to preserve some family dignity or fake stable image, if that was it, they would have stopped the shenanigans many months ago.  It's almost like some strange symbiotic set up, like,to  accuse one of us is to accuse all of us. Even if it's as clear as the nose on their faces, they will deny,deny and then threaten, then  hurl insults  Very weird that there is not a spec of loyalty to Caylee in any of them.

[Rowanvamp0]

Okay I have an insight and of course I always bring it to the "Cage".  Okay I'm up late tonight thanks to a much needed nap but now on to what's going on let's see I'm going over the audio calls and I'm on the Robyn Adams one so far and I'm on Disc 1 and up to audio number 31 or maybe 32 but I'll go back and count later here's the Observation while Robyn is talking to her Mother In Law you can hear a very LOUD BEEPING the mother in law ask what's that beeping noise then you hear Robyn a little hesitate states "It's that Casey Anthony girl, Every time her door opens up it beeps." So now on to the Question..SOMEONE had to "cover up" more then just one person/guard.  Who turned off the beeping electronic when Casey was allowed to have these conversations with Robyn?

Okay I feel I need to be a little clearer about this jailhouse call.  Roby talking to her mother in law about 10-11pm at night as stated during the phone call to which the mother in law then hears a very LOUD BEEPING the mother in law ask what's that beeping noise then you hear Robyn a little hesitate states "It's that Casey Anthony girl, Every time her door opens up it beeps." So my question then refers back to the transcripts from Silivia Hernandaz first she states her time frame for work on the B shift is 6pm-6am and that protective custody inmates which at the time were only 2 Robyn Adams and Casey Anthony.  They are let out for only one hour for shower, phone calls and dayroom time EACH SHIFT!!  Now didn't the letters to and from Robyn And Casey mention that they were let "Out" for more contact/communication I'm sorry I can't remember right now I'm trying to find them again but as you all can feel my pain going back through those letters, hoping some monkey here can help.  So then we have on record that Casey door beeps and if we can find those letters stating they were let out then "How did this door open with the beeping going on and no one else knows?" No other guards or inmates?  There has to be either video like others were stating or someone else involved or is it just simply other guards turning a blind eye?  Okay serious now off to listen to more of these Jailhouse calls that Robyn makes maybe I'll hear more tidbits to bring it all together.

[mizjay]

This tool on Watts now talking about diminished mental capacity being possibility....no too late for that, her defense still to this day states that she is innocent.

Diminished mental compacity..no way..she has all her marbles, they are arranged like ours..she chooses, notice she does have a choice, to do play her mind games...stop the games KC..it is over..we know just wat happened to Caylee..you murdered her and dumped her, you arpped her up, put in a dirty laundry hamper, then in a black plastic bag, them pitched her in the woods like yesterdays chewing gum..that shows what you think of Caylee..nothing more to say.

DD~ yep she has all her marbles. They might be spinning around a little more loudly since she's been in lock up, but that's probably just stir crazy. She is fearless and cunning and without conscience.  This is maybe the first time in her life that she is not calling the plays. In her past when anyone caught on to her games she dumped them or visa versa. Now her world is her lawyers and she's been played out. Baez has milked this for what he could and probably has a huge file under lock and key that will be his prize, a book that he will be able to hawk, even if he by the grace of God gets disbarred, he'll still be on the tv circuit.
Lyons used her for the initial high profile to debut her book, now she may help at sentencing phase. LKB only has been around for major events sort of. The mitigation specialist is probably through, same for the PI.  She's going to need to start figuring that her next stop needs to be prison where she can find some new pals.

[trimmonthelake]

This tool on Watts now talking about diminished mental capacity being possibility....no too late for that, her defense still to this day states that she is innocent.

That might have worked early on before the body was found but now it will never wash because NO ONE cares whether she is full nuts or +++++++. That train has already left the station for her.

I think you're right---nobody cares anymore.  I think everyone is "Anthonyed Out" !!!!

I think you are right.
Watch this video Klaas posted Reply #227    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7571.220       

[trimmonthelake]

Good morning everyone.   

[trimmonthelake]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-04-11/news/os-casey-anthony-letters-analyzed-20100411_1_letters-robyn-adams-fellow-inmate
Psychologists: Jailhouse letters offer insight into Casey Anthony’s life behind bars
Casey Anthony Case
April 11, 2010|By Sarah Lundy, Orlando Sentinel

[Sassycat]

So Casey said in her letters that her real friend Zenaida she has known for four years, of course nobody has seen her real friend of four years. Casey doesn't think Zenaida had anything to do with Caylee's death. She doesn't blame Zenaida, even though she gave Zenaida, Caylee to watch for a few days, and then wouldn't give Caylee back to her. WTH the only thing that I can come up with here is Casey is Zenaida, and she forgives her, meaning she forgives herself.  This is just crazy. I'm done analyzing these letters.

nrcg..........this, bolded above, is IMO exactly correct

That is scary to me, and I don't know what that all means as far as mental health issues go. I know people suspect she is a sociopath, don't know if that kind of thing would fit into that, but to me she seems crazy.

Rose and Sunny, this theory sounds plausible to me, knowing what we know about Casey and her propensity to lie.  So if she forgives her alter-ego, she is forgiving herself.  Yep.  Makes sense.

Makes sense to me, also.   Besides, who in their right mind would feel that way towards a person who took their child from them?  If there was any truth to this "Zany", then KC would be writing in her letters that LE must locate "Zany" and find out what happened to Caylee.    There would be anger towards Zany - not forgiveness.   Anyone can see through that bull.   I got a feeling that we're going to hear more about her alter-ego during the trial.

BB - love the avi.  Brandi did a good job.     

[trimmonthelake]

Hey Sassy! 

[Sassycat]

This is true. Inmates (and morons like me) are visible at all times from the CCTV system in control central. Even in the shower, they are visible. And there is ALWAYS an officer watching those screens...the other officers can be off doing things, but someone is always watching. I won't even go into the visibility factors for the drunk/detox/juvie cells.

While I do believe the note passing (we have proof of that) I do not buy the inmate-inmate visits. Especially with such a high profile slore!

"IF" it did happen TEVYE then more than one person would have to be involved, right?

Is it possible that their jail does not have all the videos or the videos are taped over after so many days?  I know some use the tapes and some are stored as DVDs and/or on mainframes, but I was under the impression that the cameras were watched but not recorded unless there was a reason to need to record it in some of the older type jails.

Disclaimer: My jail is in another state, not FL.

In the past few years, we've had inmates at local jails commit suicide (not my jail). As a result, I highly doubt that the tapes are taped over. Everything is treated as tho it may become evidence some day. That's why it may seem as if the staff is more concerned with the inmates safety than their own. Lawsuits are costly!

And IF the visits did occur, then yes, more than one person had to know, and there should be tape of it.

Tevye - thanks for all the insight on what goes on in jail.     
I hope things are going good for you.   

[Sassycat]

Hey Sassy! 

Hi Trimm!   
Thanks for flying around to all the threads and delivering the latest news for us!     

[SunnyinTX]

Good morning everyone.   

Good Morning trim and Morning Monks!!

[Cappuccino]

Morning Monkeys!   It is an absolutely gorgeous day here!

[Ono]

This tool on Watts now talking about diminished mental capacity being possibility....no too late for that, her defense still to this day states that she is innocent.

That might have worked early on before the body was found but now it will never wash because NO ONE cares whether she is full nuts or +++++++. That train has already left the station for her.

I think you're right---nobody cares anymore.  I think everyone is "Anthonyed Out" !!!!

I think you are right.
Watch this video Klaas posted Reply #227    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7571.220       

Thanks!!     

[cookie]

good morning all...beautiful day here too!

[no rose colored glasses]

So Casey said in her letters that her real friend Zenaida she has known for four years, of course nobody has seen her real friend of four years. Casey doesn't think Zenaida had anything to do with Caylee's death. She doesn't blame Zenaida, even though she gave Zenaida, Caylee to watch for a few days, and then wouldn't give Caylee back to her. WTH the only thing that I can come up with here is Casey is Zenaida, and she forgives her, meaning she forgives herself.  This is just crazy. I'm done analyzing these letters.

nrcg..........this, bolded above, is IMO exactly correct

That is scary to me, and I don't know what that all means as far as mental health issues go. I know people suspect she is a sociopath, don't know if that kind of thing would fit into that, but to me she seems crazy.

Rose and Sunny, this theory sounds plausible to me, knowing what we know about Casey and her propensity to lie.  So if she forgives her alter-ego, she is forgiving herself.  Yep.  Makes sense.

Makes sense to me, also.   Besides, who in their right mind would feel that way towards a person who took their child from them?  If there was any truth to this "Zany", then KC would be writing in her letters that LE must locate "Zany" and find out what happened to Caylee.    There would be anger towards Zany - not forgiveness.   Anyone can see through that bull.   I got a feeling that we're going to hear more about her alter-ego during the trial.

BB - love the avi.  Brandi did a good job.     

I'll bet money we will hear about Casey's alter ego. But what brought that on? Was she like that before giving birth, or did something trigger after giving birth? I know we discussed postpartum depression with her before and if she had it or not. One thing that just keeps coming up is her anger about Cindy holding Caylee first, for me it would be who cares, but obviously that isn't like that for her, she seems to obsess on that.

[Mtnmom]

Pseudologia fantastica

The defining characteristics of pseudologia fantastica are that, first, the stories are not entirely improbable and often have some element of truth. They aren't a manifestation of delusion or some wider form of psychosis: upon confrontation, they can't acknowledge them to be untrue, even if unwillingly. Second, the fabricative tendency is long lasting; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure as much as it originates with the person's innate urge to act in accordance. Third, a definitely internal, not an external, motive for the behavior can be clinically discerned e.g. long lasting extortion or habitual spousal battery might cause a person to lie repeatedly, without the lying being a pathological symptom.[2] Fourth, the stories told tend towards presenting the person in question in a good light. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, knowing or being related to many famous people.

Pseudologia fantastica may also present as false memory syndrome, where the sufferer genuinely believes that fictitious events have taken place, regardless that these events are fantasies. The sufferer may believe that he has committed superhuman acts of altruism and love or has committed equally grandiose acts of diabolical evil, for which the sufferer must atone, or has already atoned for in his fantasies.

Yet another facet of the disorder presents where the sufferer has been repeatedly called upon to recite lists of alleged injustices against others. These events take place where a person is involuntarily confined and deprived of sleep.

New-age cults center around highly charismatic individuals who may suffer pseudologia fantastica and convince their followers that they have received visions or Divine revellation. Charles Manson of the Manson Family was able to control his followers by use of his near photographic memory, and his ability to recite his lies verbatim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica

Does this sound like Casey?

[no rose colored glasses]

Pseudologia fantastica thanks I never heard of that before  Could be