Lively Case Discussion #576 1/19 - 1/22/2007

[Tibrogargan]

Is Tibro around tonight?  It's raining in Melbourne and I'm wondering if she has the sense to come in......

Hehehehe
Yes this monkey is too old and wise to stay out in the rain    
We did get some rain here also which we badly needed.

I was given the job of putting a lot of my DH's model cars on eBay for sale so that took up a lot of my afternoon.

I see Kat-Gram has a new name     She is a good monkey and found the information I was searching for the first day.  Sad news but good to know for sure.   Thank you so much van Kitty Kat.

If we had had any idea this whole debacle was going to continue this long we could have learned  Dutch, Papiamento (sp) and Pidgin English in the time.  

Well I am tired of using the computer by now so will sweep around and then check out.   Good night monkeys.

[Kat_Gram]

http://tinyurl.com/2xuymp


Awful ... the book is out and for sale.

[Kat_Gram]

In May 2005 the eighteen-year-old American Natalee Holloway disappear on Aruba. Joran of of the ditch tell the police force firstly that he has brought Natalee at night to its hotel - but in reality he has left behind her on the range. The mother of Natalee starts an enormous retrieve medium offensive what has happened with its for the; she accuses the arubaanse police force of corruption and incompetentie. Until now nor the FBI, nor the Dutch and arubaanse police force have found a track of Natalee. In this book Joran reveal everything concerning its life and its meeting with Natalee; he tells prison over the three months in a arubaanse and finally gives he its vision on its disappearance. He is still head hoofdverdachte.
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[Kat_Gram]

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[Kat_Gram]

The writing of this book by Joran Van Der Sloot is criminal. A suspect in a murder case writes a book for profit . This is sick.
I submiited the above review to this site. I translated it into Dutch for them.

[Kat_Gram]

And here is my review. It is on that site now. First review, eh.
I kept it short and then used BabelFish. This is sick translates very well.  
 
 
         Je kunt de beoordeling die je zojuist geschreven hebt nu nog wijzigen:

Je beoordeelt De zaak Natalee Holloway


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canada,  21 januari 2007
De zaak Natalee Holloway
Schrijven van dit boek door Joran Van Der Sloot is misdadig. Een verdachte in een moordgeval schrijft een boek voor winst. Dit is ziek. [/b]

[San]

Here is one article that was in today NY Post.

I AM STILL TOO SCARED TO TELL MY MOM AND DAD, 'KIDNAP' CREEP ADMITS
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN Post Correspondent


January 21, 2007 -- UNION, Mo. - The hulking pizza manager accused of snatching two boys in Missouri is so ashamed of his arrest, he can't face his own mom and dad.
"I don't know how I'm going to explain myself to my parents," said Michael Devlin, who is accused of kidnapping Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Ownby, in an exclusive interview with The Post.

"It's much easier talking to a stranger about these things than your own parents."

Devlin agreed to two 15-minute interviews in a holding area at the Franklin County jail here, during which he talked about his lack of interest in sex, his passion for poker and video games, the amputation of his toes and his solitary confinement in a 10-by-7 foot cell.

But he refused to talk about the criminal charges he's facing, squinting his eyes and fidgeting in his chair when asked about the four years he allegedly held Shawn captive at his apartment in Kirkwood, Mo., and his alleged snatching of Ownby on Jan. 8.

"I will not discuss anything related to the case," he said.

Devlin, who stands 6-foot-4 and weighs 300 pounds, came out in an orange prison jumpsuit for both interviews.

He said he has had no visitors other than his lawyers despite having a large family - five siblings and his parents, who adopted him and three of his brothers - nearby.

Life, he said, had been good for him over the last four years, during which he allegedly forced Hornbeck to live with him by threatening to kill the teen and his family if he fled.

"I guess I was relatively happy," he said.

During the first sit-down on Friday, Devlin appeared red-faced and bleary-eyed and seemed downcast.

"I feel nothing," he said. "I hide my emotions from other people. I hide the way I feel."

He declined to answer if he's ever had a girlfriend but said he doesn't care about romantic relationships. "I was never really interested in that," he said. Asked if he was attracted to women, Devlin said, "I can't talk about that because it has to do with the case."

Devlin, 41, said his life took a dramatic turn in 2002, when he was diagnosed with diabetes, which led to amputations of the big toe and another toe on his right foot in 2003, shortly after Hornbeck went missing.

The loss of his toes made it difficult for him to maintain his balance and he had to give up his passion for hunting and fishing, Devlin said.

"I'm an outdoorsman, but not anymore," he said.

At the same time, he began to lose contact with his close circle of friends - most of them current or former employees of Imo's, the pizza parlor he managed in Kirkwood and where he'd worked since he was 16.

They used to get together at his old apartment to play video games or Texas hold 'em, he said. Sometimes, they would head out to Missouri's riverboat casinos and play poker or craps together.

"I guess you could say I was lonely. All my friends starting getting married and having kids," he said. "Hanging out with friends just becomes a lower priority [for them]."

When he spoke with The Post yesterday, Devlin's demeanor changed. He greeted a reporter with a big smile. His eyes were no longer bloodshot. He seemed upbeat.

He has a slightly lazy eye but appeared focused and alert. He was talkative.

Devlin complained about being bored and confined by himself, which prevented him from calling his parents, he said, which he's mustering the courage to do. He hopes to phone them in the next few days.

He's not been able to sleep because the noise from a jailhouse booking room keeps him awake all night, he said.

"They keep me away from everyone because they think I'm dangerous," Devlin said.

He said his lawyers and the guards believe his fellow prisoners will likely attack him if they put him in the general prison population.

"They think I'll be beat up," he said.

Devlin seemed resigned to the possibility that he could be assaulted.

"I'm not worried. It's inevitable. I will eventually have to deal with it." He added, "I haven't exactly done a great job of representing myself so far."

At first, guards believed he was a threat to himself and put him on suicide watch, which he called "bizarre."

"They thought I was going to kill myself because of the nature of the crime. They put me in a room for 48 hours with nothing in it and watched to see if I would try to commit suicide."

Devlin, who grew up in Webster Groves, Mo., in a middle-class family, said, "I had a normal childhood - it was happy as far back as I can remember."

He recalled having taken family vacations, including a visit to Yellowstone National Park - his favorite place - and a road trip with his parents to New York City when Devlin was a small boy.

"I remember all of us were packed into the car," he said, unable to remember anything else from the trip.

Devlin graduated from Webster Groves HS, "but I wasn't much of a student," he said.

"I hung around with friends and didn't do much work."

After graduation, he worked at a tool factory, which he called the "worst job in the world."

His friends at Imo's, all older than he was, became his "second family."

He eventually enrolled at Saint Louis University, a prestigious Jesuit school, but dropped out after one semester.

"They expected me to do more than just go to class, like paper writing. I was never really good at that," he said.

And he was prone to put things off, he admitted.

"My biggest problem is that I'm a procrastinator."

Video games became a pastime. He said his favorite was "Final Fantasy," an involved role-playing game developed in Japan in the 1980s.

If he weren't in jail, he said, "I'd be in front of my computer screen playing 'Final Fantasy XI,' " he said.

"I like 'Final Fantasy' because it has a network that can connect to people all over the world, from Europe to Japan."

Police say Devlin and Shawn were avid video-game players and may have spent hours playing games together.

He said he loved the "Lord of the Rings" movies but hasn't been allowed to watch TV or movies while in jail.

Instead, he spends his time reading.

He picked up the novel "The Citadel," he said, but the first five pages were torn out and he couldn't follow the story. He didn't like the romance novels his jailers offered him.

Now he's reading "Death Wish," the novel on which the Charles Bronson movie series of the same name was based.

Devlin's friends and co-workers corroborated much of his story. Mike Prosperi, who owns Imo's pizza and has been Devlin's boss for more than 20 years, said: "I don't know if he ever had a girlfriend. If he did, he never talked about it."

He said Devlin was on good terms with his parents, James and Joyce Devlin.

"He helped his folks rake the leaves, wallpaper their house, helped with chores around the house."

Rob Hart, a friend who used to work at Imo's, said he and his wife, Stephanie, would sometimes join Devlin and others for poker games at Imo's.

"He was into video games, poker and politics," he said.

Hart said he was shocked his friend has been charged with the kidnappings.

"It's too hard to believe."

Additional reporting by Brad Hamilton in New York and Kevin Jenkins in Richwoods, Mo

[San]

VICTIM'S FATHER SERVED TIME AS A PERV

By KEVIN JENKINS in Richwoods, Mo., and BRAD HAMILTON in New York

January 21, 2007 -- The man who fathered kidnapped teen Shawn Hornbeck was a convicted sex offender who did three years in a Missouri prison on drug and sodomy charges, The Post has learned.

The late Walter Hornbeck was 60 when Shawn was born to him and his wife, Pamela Akers. He had little contact with his son, Akers said.

Akers kicked him out of the house when the boy was just 6 months old, and the couple divorced in 1992, about a year after Shawn was born.

Hornbeck was arrested in Washington County, near St. Louis, on Sept. 30, 1992, and charged with rape, although it's unclear who the victim was. Details of the case were not available, and most of the record has been sealed.

But a court official said the reference number on Hornbeck's criminal conviction indicated the charge involved an assault on a minor.

At the time of his arrest, Hornbeck also lived with Shawn's older sisters, Jackie and Jennifer, who were then 7 and 6, respectively.

Hornbeck pleaded guilty to attempted sodomy, a felony, as well as possession of a controlled substance and he was sentenced to seven years in state prison in 1994.

He got out in 1997, when Shawn was 6, but the two had no further contact, said Akers. Hornbeck died July 9, 2000, while on parole.

Pamela married Shawn's stepdad, Craig Akers, in 1999. The couple would not discuss the matter in an interview with The Post.

Shawn's half-brother Ted Hornbeck, who met the freed teen for the first time last Sunday, called their troubled dad "a survivor."

"My father did whatever he had to do to get by," he said.

brad.hamilton@nypost.com

[Peaches]

OMG CBB!!!!!!!!

That's hysterical. Joran gettin his ass whupped in to the drink.

BRILLIANT, yesssssssss. - Floyd, from Mayberry

Oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh,
it makes me want to do it to him. LOL

Again-
Great work!

Good morning.  HOLY COW!  CBB, you have outdone yourself!  That is hysterical.


Carpe, how nice to see you here.  Love the avatar.  It's so YOU!

Alrighty, back to catching up now that I have the PC to myself.....

[Cat]

The cheese is better,and I am wishing a good morning.i slept well as did my little sprout.I love the jvds avatar,and all we need is a killer whale waiting.Cat

[Peaches]

service,not filing.cat

So 30 days from service?

Yes.  If suit is filed, how would the defendant know unless he was "served" with the papers?  We accept service at my office all the time and the response time clock starts once service is perfected.

[Peaches]

I can't believe I've followed the story around blood seen in Deepak's car all this time and never made the connection, but blood in a car doesn't look like anything else. Chocolate and cleaning fluid doesn't like it. The photos I posted were taken by the police at the scene, but I had to go into the car days later and retrieve Mom's things. There was jewelry everywhere, and stuff that had been strwn in the street at impact, had just been thrown into the car before it was towed to police compound. Blood still looked like blood. It wouldn't take an expert to know it.

I am so sorry that was your job but I'm sure you wouldn't have handed off that sad duty even if you could have.  I know you were doing your duty.  You are a good daughter.  I admire you tremendously for having pursued the circumstances of your mother's accident.

I can't believe nobody thought of this about blood.  You are exactly right.  Nothing else looks or smells like blood (thank you, Sunfreak).  As many accident photos as I have seen and I should have caught on long ago.  Nothing else looks like blood. And it certainly doesn't look like chocolate syrup.  Just more BS.  I think somebody saw blood, maybe even tested for it.  I don't believe whatever was sent off to be tested by whoever even came from Deepak's car.

[Leslie]

BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[justinsmama]

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[Leslie]

I notice that Carnut has stopped posting.  I hope this is just temporary because I always enjoyed his posts and laughed at his nutty comments.

[Leslie]

Trying to get off this page with blown margins...
   

What blown margins? Not on my screen.  How is your mother getting along?

[San]

Trying to get off this page with blown margins...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Why my margins aren't blown?

[justinsmama]

Drat! That did not do the trick. I'll just ramble a bit about the case...

I am convinced that Joran is guilty of the covert drugging, abduction, confinement, sexual assault and either death or passing Natalee along to other(s). The Kalpoes assisted in the abduction and sexual assault.

Paulus is at least deeply involved in the disposal of Natalee, and I suspect he was also involved in selecting, confining and sexually assualting her.

Freddy was present and video recorded the sexual assault, and likely participated in the assault.

Koen is in it up to his nostrils, as is the supposedly gay guy who fled.

I also believe that the culture in Aruba (or at least a powerful and  pervasive subculture) promotes and engages in this type of thing. The remaining peeps are either ignorant of and brainwashed or know and are afraid or are just apathetic.

[klaasend]

justinsmama - what browser are you using?  I've found that different browsers handle long url's differently.  I did just fix a long url that wasn't bothering me, I use IE7.0 but might have been bothering you.

[San]

Drat! That did not do the trick. I'll just ramble a bit about the case...

I am convinced that Joran is guilty of the covert drugging, abduction, confinement, sexual assault and either death or passing Natalee along to other(s). The Kalpoes assisted in the abduction and sexual assault.

Paulus is at least deeply involved in the disposal of Natalee, and I suspect he was also involved in selecting, confining and sexually assualting her.

Freddy was present and video recorded the sexual assault, and likely participated in the assault.

Koen is in it up to his nostrils, as is the supposedly gay guy who fled.

I also believe that the culture in Aruba (or at least a powerful and  pervasive subculture) promotes and engages in this type of thing. The remaining peeps are either ignorant of and brainwashed or know and are afraid or are just apathetic.

I agree.  I will add one more person that I think is involved and that is Jaime.