Caylee Marie Anthony #161 4/28/10 - 5/10/10

[Tevye]

Thanks akmom on your take on Joseph Jordan.

Missed this last night, you are welcome. 

I believe he started out with good intentions, and then something happened along the way, at least that is my take on him.

From my recollections, he started out altruisticly, and then became too emotionally involved. And he did post things here that many of us felt were disloyal to TES. Soon, it became about him, and we didn't see him much anymore after that. It was like he said to himself "OMG, this is gonna come back and bite me in the butt. And the denture marks will belong to the Evil Mistress of Doom!"

[Tevye]

Because Dr. G was unable to establish the COD, I'm not sure that the state can prove her death was "cruel". They can certainly insinuate that it was, and because of the duct tape around Caylee's mouth and skull, we can go a step further and assume that she died by suffocation at the hands of Casey Anthony. They only have to meet one standard, so I doubt it matters to them which one will apply.

As far as the A's...I don't see them supporting the notion that Casey's home life was abusive, sexually, physically, verbally or otherwise. Their quest was to show the world what an idyllic, wonderful, supportive family she was from. They are obviously lunatics, but I think that would be "over the line" even for them.

Hi Curly.....I agree re: the A's..........they will never go for taking the blame for KC being a murderer.  I think a jury is going to look at the duct tape as cruel and will not be able to get past it...the can be no reason, no excuse..the duct tape will be the key, that along with not reporting Catlee missing until FORCED to, that gets her a guilty verdict.

Hi Sunny and all---I think that even though the state can't prove COD, when the jury sees the photos and probably videos of the little skull with hair and the duct tape over the mouth and nose, that will be enough.  We haven't seen those photos, but I can't imagine seeing them and not knowing how she died.  Just hearing about it is dreadful.

I don't think the Anthonys will ever agree to saying Casey was abused in any way. They are much too arrogant to admit to any wrong-doing whatsoever.  They are accomplished liars and have grown better at it as the months pass.

Their hardness still shocks me.

I would love to see more about their life in Ohio. Specifically, Casey and Lee's medical records....

[Tevye]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/
Casey Anthony's Expert Dr.Henry Lee Tampers With Evidence
05/08/10

Hello everyone.   I thought I would come out of lurkdom and ask a question.  If (Henwy) Lee is called to testify at the trial, can his tampering with evidence be brought up by the prosecution?

(yeah, I know it's 4 am...painful sleeping is no sleeping!) Usually, during the testimony of an expert, the attorney has the witness give a run down of their "expertness".  There has to be a way to introduce Lee's (won't call him Dr.) actions in prior cases. Maybe a few questions about who does his manicures?

[Rowanvamp0]

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Oh please the way Baez talked it sounded as if she was MISS ANTHONY'S only friend and dear judge you just can't take her away...uugghh Perry granted it.  That's when my blood pressure rose!

What a crazy and telling thing, for it to sound like that person is her friend.  Really telling when all of your friends are not really those party buddies you had, but people paid to try to save your life....

Guess I wasn't they only one that caught that...Thanks Amom!! I knew I wasn't crazy yet..lol  Sad huh you really summed what I said right up..paid people as friends!!

[Tevye]

Someone refresh my memory please....
Mike Brooks is on "In Session" now talking about the chloroform levels in KC's trunk. He is saying there was ALSO a rag with "supposedly" chloroform on it.

I don't remember reading about a rag found in the trunk in discovery......anyone else ?

I do not remember that.    

I DO remember that............but I thought it was a washcloth for some reason.  I have that report, I will try to find what it said specifically. I also remember the kleenex/and/or paper towels with decomp on them in the trash bag.

Speaking of trash (Anthonys aside) wonder whatever happened to the bag of trash that that somewhat loony lady took from the Ant farm? Didn't she turn it into LE? After, of course, taking pics and posting them on the net.

[Rowanvamp0]

I love me some Judge Perry but did anyone else feel as I do regarding the budget hearing that he pretty much gave the defense everything they ask for concerning experts..to me it sounded as if everyone was from out of state.  Now thinking is this so that the defense can't say they weren't given a fair trial??? Could that be the strategy and if so boy do I feel for other people out there that couldn't afford to receive this kind of treatment as well....not stating that everyone is guilty just the same afforded rights that MISS ANTHONY(Bozo speaking)has received.

I was thinking that way,  but if they really all have done more than 50% of the work required it would cost more to dismiss them, and  hire another new group who would then have to start from scratch.  AS long as they are willing to take  the budget prices JAC sets it probably doesn't matter. 
"Big names" like Henry Lee is what Baez goes after - I guess he isn't aware of what HLee did in the Phil Spector case-   as Bill Sheaffer said in his post hearing summary,  once your reputation has gone, it has gone....   he would have been better off hiring from Florida. To me it says that you have no confidence in your case, expecting that Celebrity Status will dazzle some Jurors... 

I do agree with the amount of work they have done, I'm no expert in anything but it seemed to me that if they (forensic anthropologist) haven't started any work as according to the statement made by prosecutors then why keep them? uggh maybe I'm just beyond thinking fair anymore with this case..What really got my goat so to speak is that the defense could keep Barrett and how important to MISS ANTHONY(Bozo speaking) is and how she could be more important then the Lead Defense attorneys...Oh please the way Baez talked it sounded as if she was MISS ANTHONY'S only friend and dear judge you just can't take her away...uugghh Perry granted it.  That's when my blood pressure rose!

Yes, I was amazed that the Mitigation specialist had already done 380 hours of work and was expecting to do almost 700 in total IIRC..  I wonder if the average inmate gets that amount of time,   I sincerely doubt that they do.    I think touring the country trying to get every minute piece of information about her is excessive.  We can see from the other family members here how she got to be as irresponsible and selfish as she is, but as much as I loathe Cindy I don't think she should be held responsible for what Casey did- and I don't think their relationship is an excuse for what Casey did, she should do what other young adults do when resentful of parental controls, get a job, get a life and move out   

Simply put...AMEN to that!!!  I'm glad to see that you too agree that there is way to many hours given that others don't receive..sicking!

[Rowanvamp0]

I love me some Judge Perry but did anyone else feel as I do regarding the budget hearing that he pretty much gave the defense everything they ask for concerning experts..to me it sounded as if everyone was from out of state.  Now thinking is this so that the defense can't say they weren't given a fair trial??? Could that be the strategy and if so boy do I feel for other people out there that couldn't afford to receive this kind of treatment as well....not stating that everyone is guilty just the same afforded rights that MISS ANTHONY(Bozo speaking)has received.

I was thinking that way,  but if they really all have done more than 50% of the work required it would cost more to dismiss them, and  hire another new group who would then have to start from scratch.  AS long as they are willing to take  the budget prices JAC sets it probably doesn't matter. 
"Big names" like Henry Lee is what Baez goes after - I guess he isn't aware of what HLee did in the Phil Spector case-   as Bill Sheaffer said in his post hearing summary,  once your reputation has gone, it has gone....   he would have been better off hiring from Florida. To me it says that you have no confidence in your case, expecting that Celebrity Status will dazzle some Jurors... 

I do agree with the amount of work they have done, I'm no expert in anything but it seemed to me that if they (forensic anthropologist) haven't started any work as according to the statement made by prosecutors then why keep them? uggh maybe I'm just beyond thinking fair anymore with this case..What really got my goat so to speak is that the defense could keep Barrett and how important to MISS ANTHONY(Bozo speaking) is and how she could be more important then the Lead Defense attorneys...Oh please the way Baez talked it sounded as if she was MISS ANTHONY'S only friend and dear judge you just can't take her away...uugghh Perry granted it.  That's when my blood pressure rose!

The reason the Ms. Barrett thing doesn't bother me is in addition to Casey, she's gotten the A's (according to Bozo) to trust and open up to her. This is some feat! I look forward to what she'll have to say.

Good Point out there I do hope that this helps in some strange way, for Caylee's sake!

[trimmonthelake]

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234
05/10/2010           Hearing  (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)
Motions
05/11/2010           Hearing  (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)
Pending Motions on Death Penalty
06/21/2010           Status Hearing  (1:30 PM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)
07/20/2010           Status Hearing  (1:30 PM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)
08/30/2010           Status Hearing  (1:30 PM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)
09/27/2010           Status Hearing  (1:30 PM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)
10/29/2010           Status Hearing  (1:30 PM) (Judicial Officer Perry, Belvin, JR)

[Bearlyhere]

Ok I'm starting to get the picture.  Bozo had to go all over the US to find "experts" who didn't think his client was GUILTY!  All the experts in Florida said "I'LL PASS" ...

Yes, and they are connected to Linda and Michael Baden. They know a lot of experts.

Yes--they saw the "gravy train" quickly.

Isn't Gravy Train dog food?

 

[Ono]

Thanks akmom on your take on Joseph Jordan.

Missed this last night, you are welcome. 

I believe he started out with good intentions, and then something happened along the way, at least that is my take on him.

No one has asked but here is my take on JJ.  He was a man who was desperately trying to find Caylee because he was such an attached father himself.  I actually do know him somewhat personally. He went out every day he was off from work and searched. He enlisted many others in the area to help him search and he took tons of pictures and kept prolific notes on EVERYTHING. He is very detailed in all he does and a very humble man. He was searching day in and day out in all kinds of weather when no one else was. I have a LOT of pictures he took, many of which were not relevant at all but he took them everywhere he searched.

If I understand all this from reading what is available in the interviews, this woman who is a friend of the Anthonys (and I believe working with Bozo)TRIED to say that she searched with JJ where Caylee was found. It appears that she falsified some records of Tim's (Texas Equisearch)to make it appear the JJ searched with her.  She was one of their helpers on the searches who helped sign in volunteers.

JJ denies he EVER searched with her and denies the documents she provided were his signature. He was actually at work the day/days she had him listed. When she kept calling him originally, he "had a feeling" something was not right and recorded the conversations evidently. She kept pushing him to say that he "knew" her and had searched with her which he knew was not true. The recording was a mistake because of some law, but he kept it and gave it to LE just the same.

I think the woman is in serious trouble if she tries to testify that she was there where the body was as there is no one who will back her up and she evidently thought she could maniupulate JJ into thinking he did search with her.

In MY opinion JJ is a very nice guy who did nothing wrong and a LOT right trying day after day to find Caylee. He is a very humble guy and I do think this divorce has thrown him for a loop. I do know it was not expected by him and it caught him totally off guard.

I am sorry this happened to him but as usual ANYONE who has tried to help the Anthony's have tried to destroy. I hope he comes out this with no problems as I see him like Tim and Kronk as one of the good guys who did the right thing and was attacked over it.

Thanks so much for the info--from reading the transcript, he came across to me as being honest, and reminded me of one of my friends---a person so naturally detail-oriented, she sometimes trips over this inborn personality trait! 

[Ono]

I've been gone all day so have missed everything.  I am truly sorry if I said things about JJ that were not fair.  I was really uncomfortable about the amount of info that he was posting about searching, considering what TES requests from their volunteers, although I do not know if he was with TES the whole time.  That pretty much sums up that and to me there are so many other twists and turns that who knows what it means in the long run..

This much I know is true, I don't think there is a person that has come in contact with the Anthonys that will come out unscathed at the end of this.

I am sorry if I offended anyone over the JJ issue.

You didn't offend anyone.     

[Ono]

~ Happy Mother's Day to all fellow moms! ~     

[Bearlyhere]

I am shocked that Jar has said at least 3 times now that KC does not want to be ion court and has no interest in being there and gives the whole speech about it is her rights and she is giving up those rights by being ordered to be in court. 

I say, since she does not care to make sure she has adequate defense, just save the taxpayers a lot of money and declare her guilty and we can all go home.  On to sentencing!  Does she care about that?  Maybe Nurse Cindy will want to give the injection.  Does she care about that?  She didn't care about her daughter's life and if you didn't believe it in the beginning, you almost have to believe it now.

 

I am just getting caught up in this thread.  Boo Monkey, I had to put a pillow over my face to keep from waking the house up about Baez getting spanked.  NR an others, you have kept me in stitches this morning over your play-by-play reactions.  Thanks to those who let us know what was going on.

Caylee's death and the ensuing trial is no joking matter, I know, but we sure did need some relief, in some form, from the hijacking the defense was doing, of the justice system.

 

[no rose colored glasses]

I've been gone all day so have missed everything.  I am truly sorry if I said things about JJ that were not fair.  I was really uncomfortable about the amount of info that he was posting about searching, considering what TES requests from their volunteers, although I do not know if he was with TES the whole time.  That pretty much sums up that and to me there are so many other twists and turns that who knows what it means in the long run..

This much I know is true, I don't think there is a person that has come in contact with the Anthonys that will come out unscathed at the end of this.

I am sorry if I offended anyone over the JJ issue.

You didn't offend anyone.     

You didn't offend me either, and I totally agree with you, he didn't need to have been putting so much info out about the searches.

[klaasend]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/09/florida.casey.anthony.court/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

Key hearings this week in Casey Anthony's murder trial
By Jean Casarez, In Session


Editor's note: Follow this story on truTV's In Session from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. ET, on CNN.com LIVE and on HLN's Nancy Grace at 8 p.m. and 10 p.m.

(CNN) -- Casey Anthony is back in court this week for crucial hearings that could determine whether she will face the death penalty, where her murder trial will be held next year and what evidence the jury will hear.

Anthony, 24, is accused of killing her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 when she disappeared in June 2008. Caylee's body was found that December in a vacant lot near the Orlando, Florida, home where she lived with her grandparents.

At this week's hearings, Anthony's defense attorneys will try to convince the judge to take the death penalty off the table. The defense team also is trying to keep some evidence it considers "gossip" away from the jury. And, the defense has asked to move the case to an area of Florida where there has been less publicity.

Rulings made on a tall stack of pretrial motions will likely have a significant impact on the trial, which is scheduled to begin on May 9, 2011. They will be decided by a judge who is a newcomer to the case.

Chief Justice Belvin Perry Jr. replaced Circuit Judge Stan Strickland last month when Strickland took himself off the case after the defense claimed he had improper communications with blogger "Marinade Dave."

"Miss Anthony cannot get a fair trial by an impartial jury in Orlando because of extensive, inflammatory, and prejudicial pretrial publicity in this case," the defense argues in court papers seeking a change of venue.

Other trial locations suggested by the defense include Miami's Dade County, Palm Beach County or Broward County. But during his first hearing in the case, Perry said the defense doesn't get to select the trial location.

Under Florida's open records law, prosecutors have released tens of thousands of pages of witness statements, forensic reports and computer and cell phone records gathered by police. Evidence includes dozens of photos of Anthony and her friends partying, text messages, 911 calls, witness statements to police and Anthony's letters and notes to fellow inmates at the Orange County Jail.

Aside from the regular release of documents, prosecutors have not tipped their hand. They do not comment to the media and they have not filed responses to any of the defense motions. But the hearings are expected to shed some light on how the prosecution's case is being built.

Meanwhile, the defense team led by Orlando attorney Jose Baez is fighting hard to keep the "party photos" out of the case, saying they are prejudicial and prove little.

The photos show Anthony at a nightclub and a residence in the Orlando area, dancing and drinking with friends. Automated dates on the images show only two were taken after the date Caylee disappeared.

Investigators retrieved the photos during a search of Anthony's computer. "The media has used multiple photos of Miss Anthony in order to vilify her and portray her as a 'party girl' whose lifestyle somehow indicates responsibility for her daughter's death," the defense says in its court papers.

In a related motion, the defense asks to exclude from the trial "hearsay evidence, gossip and innuendo." The defense specifically mentions television interviews potential witnesses have given since Anthony was arrested, as well as their sworn statements to law enforcement.

Both, they say, include gossip about Anthony that if allowed would prejudice the jury and violate her right to a fair trial.

The defense also is seeking to keep out of trial the 911 call Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, made on July 15, 2008, reporting Caylee missing, calling it "hearsay."

During the call Cindy Anthony screams that her daughter's car smells like a corpse.

Prosecutors usually argue under such circumstances that the law allows the jury to hear an "excited utterance." It is an exception to the hearsay rule, and it is allowed as evidence at trials because the statement can be considered spontaneous and therefore trustworthy.

Cindy Anthony was referring to the family's car. Evidence released so far indicates prosecutors are likely to argue that it was last driven by Casey Anthony and abandoned two weeks after Caylee was last seen alive.

Several legal motions challenging the death penalty allege that prosecutors are acting in bad faith.

One contends that prosecutors are seeking death against Anthony because she is a woman. The defense argues that focusing on Anthony's lifestyle before she was arrested is gender bias. The defense maintains that Anthony is facing more serious charges and harsher punishment than a man in the same position would receive.

"Women who are accused of violent crimes are tried not only for the facts of the crime, but also for their non-conformity with traditional gender expectations," the defense argues in its court papers.

The defense also alleges that prosecutors had sought the death penalty to bankrupt the defense and prevent Anthony from having the attorney of her choice.

The defense maintains that prosecutors had originally said they would not seek death in this case but reversed that position in March 2009 when they learned that Anthony had $205,000 for her defense.

The bulk of the money came from ABC News for the licensing of photos and videos, Baez testified during a previous hearing.

"The court has the authority to bar the death penalty where the prosecution exercises its discretion in bad faith, for impermissible motives and in order to prevent the defendant from exercising her constitutional rights," the defense argued in court papers.

The two-day hearing begins Monday. The first arguments will focus on non-death penalty issues. Tuesday's hearing will put the death penalty front and center.

[Babybear]

Ok I'm starting to get the picture.  Bozo had to go all over the US to find "experts" who didn't think his client was GUILTY!  All the experts in Florida said "I'LL PASS" ...

Yes, and they are connected to Linda and Michael Baden. They know a lot of experts.

Yes--they saw the "gravy train" quickly.

Isn't Gravy Train dog food?

 

Good morning Monkeys---Yes, Bearly, Gravy train is dog food but have you taken a real close look at Andrea Lyons and Linda Baden?  Woof Woof

[MuffyBee]

Ok I'm starting to get the picture.  Bozo had to go all over the US to find "experts" who didn't think his client was GUILTY!  All the experts in Florida said "I'LL PASS" ...

Yes, and they are connected to Linda and Michael Baden. They know a lot of experts.

Yes--they saw the "gravy train" quickly.

Isn't Gravy Train dog food?

 

Good morning Monkeys---Yes, Bearly, Gravy train is dog food but have you taken a real close look at Andrea Lyons and Linda Baden?  Woof Woof

Gravy Train or "Crazy Train"?   

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm picking both, Crazy Train and Gravy Train 

[akmom]

I've been gone all day so have missed everything.  I am truly sorry if I said things about JJ that were not fair.  I was really uncomfortable about the amount of info that he was posting about searching, considering what TES requests from their volunteers, although I do not know if he was with TES the whole time.  That pretty much sums up that and to me there are so many other twists and turns that who knows what it means in the long run..

This much I know is true, I don't think there is a person that has come in contact with the Anthonys that will come out unscathed at the end of this.

I am sorry if I offended anyone over the JJ issue.

You didn't offend anyone.     

You didn't offend me either, and I totally agree with you, he didn't need to have been putting so much info out about the searches.

Thanks Ono and no rose. 


Happy Mother's Day Monkeys!!!   Hmmmmm, looks like we are fixin' to have a couple of busy days in front of us!!!

[no rose colored glasses]

Happy Mother's Day to you akmom and to all the mothers, hope everyone's day is special