Caylee Marie Anthony #161 4/28/10 - 5/10/10

[SunnyinTX]

Thank you Wyks for your explanation 
How do they choose who is to be sequestered ? I am sorry if I sound redundant I just don't understand the picking / choosing process ?  How many people do they have to go through in order to " Pick"  jurors ... that will  be in the status that you stated above - for the longevity of the trial. 
Its confusing to me  

I was on a sequestered jury once and it is not pleasant. You are totally closed off from the world to be exact. I can't imagine be sequestered for as long as this one will take. Ours was just about a 3 1/2 weeks and I was "stir crazy" by the time we got out. We did get to go out to eat at times, but when we did we were taken by bus to a restaurant where we entered by a side door and were placed in a special banquet room with no TV, or anything which could give us any information about the trial. We did get to see the news on TV on a DVD but it was prepared for us by security and put on the DVD to make sure nothing about the trial or any media coverage was on it.  It was summer so we were allowed to go to the swimming pool at times but it would be at times when the pool was cleared of all other persons and only the jurors and security was there. Same with the work out rooms, etc. NO TVs or radios allowed.

You don't CHOOSE, they choose you. You fill out a questionnaire prior to the trial where both the defense and prosecution get copies of ALL your personal information. They run background checks on you and I have been told your family also sometimes. If you have LE family members you are usually excused by the defense because many of them consider you biased toward LE. My best friend is in LE and some of my family had been, and it was always strange to me the defense did not excuse me because I listed them on the informational questionnaire. Some persons they asked questions in court as they are choosing a jury and some they don't. Most big trials have specialists in picking juries who help the attorneys choose the best jurors for the case.

The longer the trial the more alternates they have in the jury pool because people sometimes have to be excused because of emergencies in their family or they may become ill themselves. We had two who became ill during the trial. In the one I was on, ALL the jurors and the alternates were sequestered together and the alternates were told to pay full attention and take copious notes because they could be called at anytime.

That is just my experience and it is in a state other than Florida, so take it for what it is worth.

Good Morning Monks!  Turbo thanks for sharing your experience with us.

[SunnyinTX]

I would not want to be yelled at this judge either, no sir 

OH HELL NO!!!  Describing him as a general was a very good analogy.

trim thanks for bring us all the morning news

Morning NRCG

[no rose colored glasses]

I would not want to be yelled at this judge either, no sir 

OH HELL NO!!!  Describing him as a general was a very good analogy.

trim thanks for bring us all the morning news

Morning NRCG

Good morning, hope you feel good this morning    When I was watching that hearing yesterday I really thought the fear of God was put into Casey, but now I'm thinking, no, this is going to be dragged out and brought to trial. What I think that what I was seeing was fear, was just anger, and that little witch is not going to listen to her lawyers and this will go to trial. I still am hoping for this to be plead out, though.

[Kat_Gram]

I was " selected" to be on a jury, maybe three years ago. I wasn't called, but I had to go and sit while they called the others. It was long and boring. Many had good reasons for not wanting to serve. Some were allowed and were excused. Some of the reasons for excusal were : Hearing impaired even with a hearing aide, family trip with the proof tha the tix were purchased prior to the summons, waiting for a call for surgery ( with proof) , being related to one of the LE, knowing the family of the accused. Having a job and losing income wasn't a good enought excuse as one fellow found out. By the time they had enough, it seemed to me that the potential juors selected were : Retired or stay at home Moms.
I would have liked to be selected, a GF from work did a murder trial the months before and she found it really interesting. We get paid full wages if selecterd, easier than work. 

[no rose colored glasses]

I appreciate the info on being on a jury, I never have been.   

[Scatty]

I just saw my neighbors toddler who'll be turning 3 in a cuple months. When I saw him last a few months ago he was getting out a word here and there and mostly yelling; now, he is definitely communicating verbally and is totally understandable--I was shocked at the difference. This made me think of poor little Caylee of course. Kids at that age seem to advance in verbal skills by leaps and bounds.
I believe the minute her child started to verbalize her thoughts, KC knew she had to to come up with a plan of action before her gig was up. It was only a matter of time before CA and GA heard that Caylee was spending the day at home after the grandparents were out of the house, and that there was no Zanny, and the rest of the inumerable lies would come to light. KC couldn't keep drugging Caylee indefinitely, because that too was bound to become apparent eventually. So she had to think of something, anything: maybe she could find on the Internet something in the house that could be used to get rid of Caylee, that could be deemed an accident, maybe stage a kidnapping like on OneTreeHill, SOMETHING! Then came the fight with Cindy on Father's Day. Caution went out the window and KC gave her temper full reign. She already had it semi-planned, so might as well act now. So she did.
For defense dupes that might say KC had no real motive to kill Caylee, that she could have just left her with her grandparents, they don't understand the pathological personality. KC's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it. People were expendable, as long as KC's lies could remain intact, and life continue the way she wanted it. The only real thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwhile was her ability to hoodwink people. This is the same theme for countless people like her born (IMO) with this defective personality. This is the ONLY goal in their worthless lives.

[trimmonthelake]

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
Casey Anthony’s Body Language Undergoes A Dramatic Change In the Courtroom For The First Time In Two Years
May 1, 2010 - 11 Responses

[mizjay]

I just saw my neighbors toddler who'll be turning 3 in a cuple months. When I saw him last a few months ago he was getting out a word here and there and mostly yelling; now, he is definitely communicating verbally and is totally understandable--I was shocked at the difference. This made me think of poor little Caylee of course. Kids at that age seem to advance in verbal skills by leaps and bounds.
I believe the minute her child started to verbalize her thoughts, KC knew she had to to come up with a plan of action before her gig was up. It was only a matter of time before CA and GA heard that Caylee was spending the day at home after the grandparents were out of the house, and that there was no Zanny, and the rest of the inumerable lies would come to light. KC couldn't keep drugging Caylee indefinitely, because that too was bound to become apparent eventually. So she had to think of something, anything: maybe she could find on the Internet something in the house that could be used to get rid of Caylee, that could be deemed an accident, maybe stage a kidnapping like on OneTreeHill, SOMETHING! Then came the fight with Cindy on Father's Day. Caution went out the window and KC gave her temper full reign. She already had it semi-planned, so might as well act now. So she did.
For defense dupes that might say KC had no real motive to kill Caylee, that she could have just left her with her grandparents, they don't understand the pathological personality. KC's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it. People were expendable, as long as KC's lies could remain intact, and life continue the way she wanted it. The only real thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwhile was her ability to hoodwink people. This is the same theme for countless people like her born (IMO) with this defective personality. This is the ONLY goal in their worthless lives.

SCATTY~ Agree with your excellent post.  I believe that you hit  it when you said "Kc's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it................The only thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwile was her ability to hood wink people."

That was her strong suit, manipulating and using people. For a person like her, a toddler is impossible to use. Too young to bribe, too old to sedate to sleep for hours and hours, too immature to use as an ally in her schemes etc. Caylee was a problem and she was a rival. In fairy tales there can be only one princess

[trimmonthelake]

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-who-passed.html
 Saturday May 1,2010
Casey Anthony Murder Trial: Who passed Judge Perry's test?

Yesterday's hearing conducted by Judge Belvin Perry proved to be as quick-moving and decisive as all the legal experts had been predicting. It was also a test. Being tested were the attorneys, the defendant, the Anthony family and all the onlookers. We can be sure that Perry was listening carefully and taking mental notes.

Cindy and George Anthony passed the test. They weren't chomping on gum or swigging on water bottles. However, Cindy seemed nervous at times without her crutches.

Casey Anthony passed the test. She sat as still as a stone statue throughout the proceedings. She stopped fixing her clothing and fiddling with her hair from the moment Judge Perry entered the courtroom.

Cheney Mason didn't say a word to the court other than his name and seemed to be sitting off a bit by himself observing and thinking throughout.

Jose Baez passed, but not with flying colors. Baez stated that he would "attempt" to contact the JAS people with a propose budget when Perry cut him off by asking if he would be available next week for the hearing as opposed to June or July as originally scheduled with Judge Strickland. Once a hearing date was set for May 6, lacking his agenda, he couldn't schedule a time for a hearing with the JAC. Judge Perry then stated that that would give Baez an opportunity to call the JAC today! I do hope that the defense has its budget ready prior to that hearing "yesterday"!

When Judge perry asked Baez how many defense motions aside from those concerning the death penalty were not yet resolved, he responded "a handful" and that he had a comprehensive list he could send "his honor". (Hello! Why didn't you bring it to the status hearing?) He then went on to say that to give a "comprehensive answer" he would say there were 3-5, excluding the death penalty motions. He did mention the motion regarding spoliation which still needs depositions.
Judge Perry then reworded his question to Baez. "How many motions that are ripe are pending to be heard?". At this point, Baez digressed to mention that Judge Strickland had not made the prosecution respond to all the motions as the defense had asked. Baez said they wanted the case law that the prosecution would use to defend their position.

Jeff Ashton (who will be handling the death penalty motions) stated that most of the motions to which Baez was referring were death penalty motions which Andrea Lyon had stated she would still want to argue before the court and not have them ruled on pleadings. He felt it was not a wise use of his time to respond to motions which would still be argued in court but that, if ordered to do so, he would do so. He also indicated that he had responded to some of the motions so they would not require a hearing in open court.

At this point in the hearing, Judge Perry set about setting a schedule for the hearings. He was looking at May 10, 11, 12, 13, and the morning of the 14th for the non-death penalty motions.
During the hearing, Baez also slipped and addressed His Honor simply as "JUDGE" a couple of times.
Perhaps his biggest faux pas  was in addressing Judge Perry at the very end to inform him of the proper way to pronounce Lyon ("roar like a lion"). That is an issue which should have been addressed in a more diplomatic manner, considering that both Ashton and Drane used Lyons as well!

Linda Drane (I'll leave off the Burdick since that is what the judge is saying) passed the test with a minor slip on how many witnesses had been deposed. When asked by the judge, Jose Baez had been able to give the answer, 36. However, she scored a perfect "10" when she rose to speak to the number and nature of the pending motions. She started by saying that she had a motions log that Ms. Lyon had been "kind enough to provide". (That's the information Baez left back at the office.) She read from Lyon's log that there are 7 non-death penalty motions outstanding and read them off.

As she was doing so, Baez made the big boo-boo of getting out of his seat and going to the assistant who loudly snapped open his briefcase for him to peruse. He rooted around among the papers and withdrew something and sat down again. This drew a curious look from Cheney Mason and a short, whispered discussion between the two defense lawyers. I wonder what was discussed!
As for Jeff Ashton, he got an a for his efforts in court today. When asked, he got up, succinctly presented his point of view, and sat down.

Andrea Lyon didn't fare very well. She phoned in her appearance and apparently had a hard time hearing. The clerk finally had to repeat the questions directly into the phone so she could hear. I'll hold off grading her until she comes into court to argue the penalty motions.

Having graded all the participants in attendance, I'd like to briefly cover the issues I missed while grading the parties.

[TURBOTHINK]

I just saw my neighbors toddler who'll be turning 3 in a cuple months. When I saw him last a few months ago he was getting out a word here and there and mostly yelling; now, he is definitely communicating verbally and is totally understandable--I was shocked at the difference. This made me think of poor little Caylee of course. Kids at that age seem to advance in verbal skills by leaps and bounds.
I believe the minute her child started to verbalize her thoughts, KC knew she had to to come up with a plan of action before her gig was up. It was only a matter of time before CA and GA heard that Caylee was spending the day at home after the grandparents were out of the house, and that there was no Zanny, and the rest of the inumerable lies would come to light. KC couldn't keep drugging Caylee indefinitely, because that too was bound to become apparent eventually. So she had to think of something, anything: maybe she could find on the Internet something in the house that could be used to get rid of Caylee, that could be deemed an accident, maybe stage a kidnapping like on OneTreeHill, SOMETHING! Then came the fight with Cindy on Father's Day. Caution went out the window and KC gave her temper full reign. She already had it semi-planned, so might as well act now. So she did.
For defense dupes that might say KC had no real motive to kill Caylee, that she could have just left her with her grandparents, they don't understand the pathological personality. KC's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it. People were expendable, as long as KC's lies could remain intact, and life continue the way she wanted it. The only real thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwhile was her ability to hoodwink people. This is the same theme for countless people like her born (IMO) with this defective personality. This is the ONLY goal in their worthless lives.

SCATTY~ Agree with your excellent post.  I believe that you hit  it when you said "Kc's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it................The only thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwile was her ability to hood wink people."

That was her strong suit, manipulating and using people. For a person like her, a toddler is impossible to use. Too young to bribe, too old to sedate to sleep for hours and hours, too immature to use as an ally in her schemes etc. Caylee was a problem and she was a rival. In fairy tales there can be only one princess

You both are SO correct - Caylee was telling CA things which she saw and CA was tearing into KC over it. One thing which I have not seen discussed, is................. if Caylee was being drugged with ANY type of drug, (zanex, chloroform, benedyrl, others) as those things start wearing off she would be a nervous wreck and cry a lot. She would have withdrawals because small children can't take a central nervous system depressants and not have them.  

Since CA was a home health care office worker the "drug" closet in that place would have been a treasure chest for KC to get her drugs for Caylee. There were many times that it talked about KC "stopping by" her mother's office.

Many elderly and very ill patients take liquid pain and other meds and the detail men (pharmaceutical salespersons) bring in cases of their drugs and put them in the "detail closet." All of them have things like oxycotin, zanex,liquid demerol, etc. Anyone who has ever worked in a Dr.'s office knows what I am talking about.

By the time LE checked the Anthony's medicine cabinets all of those "samples" would have been LONG GONE.....

[trimmonthelake]

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-who-passed.html
Continued.......
The Defense Quest For TES Records

On Friday, April 23, ClickOrlando reported that Mason and Baez had showed up to view the TES records at Mark NeJames' offices. Apparently, when the station's news cameras arrived, they left quickly.

On April 26, WFTV reported that NeJames is planning to file a motion to break a deadlock on the issue.

At the hearing, Jose Baez stated to Judge Perry that the defense had already filed three motions to get copies of all the records and that they planned on filing yet another one. He briefly mentioned that he and Mason had been to NeJames' office and "we will be, again be seeking to modify the order" because "we were unable to accomplish what we wanted to." He also insinuated something (although I do not know exactly what) by stating that he would speak no more of it because "Mr. NeJames is not here to defend himself".

What Baez wants to accomplish here is probably to find personal information of some searchers so they can send their PI's out to dig the ground out from under them! Judge Strickland ruled more than once concerning the privacy of searchers who were no where near the site. Both Brad Conway and Linda Drane were able to find what they were looking for in a matter of hours. I'm looking forward to see the new motions and what Perry will rule.
Oak Ridge Labs and other forensics

It would seem that the defense is having problems with getting proprietary information from the lab. Jeff Ashton stated that the intricacies of inter-state depositions were being worked on and that they were being scheduled for July.

When it came to defense experts examining the evidence, Baez stated that the hold-up in having his experts coming in was that the evidence was in various states including Tennessee (Oak Ridge) and Virginia (Quantico). It has all now been returned and they are ready to inspect it. He stated he would request a Special Master to oversee the process. Jeff Ashton said that the issue had only come up recently and, at this point, it could be discussed at another time. This issue led to the next.
Money, money, money

Judge Perry then asked when Baez would be meeting with the JAC. This issue had to be dealt with "YESTERDAY"! When Baez indicated that Strickland had it tentatively scheduled for June or July, Perry asked him what day NEXT WEEK would be good for him. They settled on May 6th, at a time of Baez' choosing. I certainly hope the defense has it's budget outlined prior to then.

Change of Venue

Perry indicated that he will hear the motion on change of venue next week. He made it abundantly clear that he would like to choose a location which would be kept secret to the last minute and sequester the jury in Orlando. He indicated that there were acceptable locations both known and unknown that would be appropriate. I'd assume the "known" locations are those which Baez mentioned in his motion. If sequestered in Orlando, Perry indicated he would try the case 5 1/2 days a week!

He cited the cost issues involved with so many witnesses in the area. It would be far less expensive to bus in 12 jurors plus alternates and put them up in a nice hotel with DVD's and games chosen by both the prosecution and the defense.
Both during the hearing and later on InSession, Baez mentioned some of his problems with a sequestered jury. He cited possible demonstrators outside the Anthony home and the courthouse. He cited the terrible hardship on the jurors in being confined without TV and families. He mentioned that certain demographics would be left out of the jury pool.

What Baez wants is a change of venue to South Florida (Miami, Palm Beach) and have the jurors home and comfy during the trial. Then they will be with their families and their TV's (where coverage of the case will be non-stop).

Somehow, I think the judge will get his way in the end.

Witness Depositions

The judge was no-nonsense when it came to depositions. Linda Drane mentioned that the defense and prosecution had set up a schedule to meet once a week to meet for depositions. She believed they were on track with the April 5 order from Judge Strickland.

She also pointed out that there were some defense witnesses whose lawyers were having scheduling difficulties or stone-walling her. When she said that, Perry told her that if a witness did not show up for a deposition, she was to give a courtesy call to reschedule. After that, an order for contempt of court could be issued and that the sheriff would be glad to help bring the witness in.
Length of Trial

In summary, the case should last from 3-4 weeks for the prosecution's case-in-chief. The defense estimated their case could last for 3 weeks. There was no discussion of the possibility of a rebuttal case at this point.

The most dramatic moment came when Perry asked for the length of the penalty phase "should Ms. Anthony be found guilty of 1st Degree Murder. There was silence in the court. Jeff Ashton stated his case would take one day. After a bit of waffling and conferring with Andrea Lyon, the defense estimated a week for their case.

Judge Perry now has his ducks in a row and the process leading up to the trial will be moving on steadily towards May 9, 2010. As he said during the hearing, he will issue an order on the trial date and it will be SET IN STONE.

I'll be watching the Clerk of the Court site for specific hearing dates and times and will keep you updated.

The entire hearing took place in just under an hour. It's well worth watching if you haven't seen it already.
I would also recommend you read Donchais' article about the hearing. She can say in 10 words what I say in 100!

[no rose colored glasses]

I just love Sprocket, thanks for bringing that over Trimm.  I sure wish she lived there so she could give up to the minute details from the courtroom, she is excellent at it. 

[SunnyinTX]

Evening Monks.....I don't know if this has been posted or not....but here goes.

Motion to seal KC's visitation logs..the only thing that bothers me a bit is it seems the prosecution takes no position on this..............sure they don't care cause they know....but what about US!!
 

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36538052/04292010-Motion-To-Seal-Jail-Visiting-Log-Records

[Brandi]

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
Casey Anthony’s Body Language Undergoes A Dramatic Change In the Courtroom For The First Time In Two Years
May 1, 2010 - 11 Responses

Thank you, Trimm.

I waded through the article, because I tend to enjoy her messages.

I especially liked this part:

If a jury sees her stoic and mannequin like  the way she appeared today and she appears that way throughout the trial, the jury  will definitely see her as the cold blooded  calculating murderess  the prosecution will paint her to be.

But it is apparent that she has not been reading Scared Monkeys. Her writing is still error-ridden.

 

[SunnyinTX]

When I became aware of this motion my guess was because the was she was going to be seen by either psychologist or psychiatrist..... I still think that and it looks like RH kinda agrees with that...


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103541&page=4
Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

[Brandi]

I just love Sprocket, thanks for bringing that over Trimm.  I sure wish she lived there so she could give up to the minute details from the courtroom, she is excellent at it. 

Most excellent and informative posts, indeed.

 

[no rose colored glasses]

When I became aware of this motion my guess was because the was she was going to be seen by either psychologist or psychiatrist..... I still think that and it looks like RH kinda agrees with that...


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103541&page=4
Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

And she certainly needs to be seen by someone in the field of psychology, along with her mother 

[Cappuccino]

When I became aware of this motion my guess was because the was she was going to be seen by either psychologist or psychiatrist..... I still think that and it looks like RH kinda agrees with that...


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103541&page=4
Personally, I think he has a valid point as to any experts that were to visit her. With that said, the only relevant experts that would need to visit her would be experts in the field of psychology.

And she certainly needs to be seen by someone in the field of psychology, along with her mother 

Yea, her mother needs a muzzle, straight jacket & Haledol, I doubt many would disagree with that....fo shur!   

All that girl needs it a jail cell to rot in for the rest of her life, but yes no doubt the defense will be sending in their hired hands to give an opposing view of the battery of tests she underwent when first incarcerated and continued visits while in jail (which are sealed).   I think it is important to remember that Casey does not have medical records that indicate any prior diagnoses, no record whatsoever of psychiatric care or mental health counseling of which I am sure her school records were already looked at.   A claim from Casey that she thought to seek help, does not a history make.  Her parents (mainly Cindy) emphatically denied that she had any mental health history (one example being Cindy Anthony's FBI interview).   The point being, the defense can try to put forward whatever they wish but if there is no record of it - it doesnt necessarily make it so.   I'm almost willing to bet that the psychiatrists that conducted tests & analyzed Casey will state that she is a narcissistic sociopath, maybe a prognosis of borderline personality disorder neither of which should make an impact with a jury on her guilt nor probably a consideration in sentencing.   While she may have an anti-social personality disorder, it makes little to no difference being that she knew the difference between right & wrong as well as went thru great lengths to conceal her actions.  IMHO, what will resonate with the jury more is that this is a very self-absorbed girl whom harbored jealousy & rage toward anyone that tried to stop her from doing what she wanted to do.  I do believe that it will be equally evident that Casey killed Caylee to spite her mother, the person she was most embattled with in life & held a relationship with Caylee that Casey despised.  If they are going with the abuse excuse, all they have are Casey's claims & what her friends may have repeated she told them....whoopie, that and a claim will just get her more jail nachos.  Additionally, her prior criminal history (conviction) and reported thefts (grandma, etc) will work against her as being a sympathetic lamb that may have killed because she was abused (keep in mind she picked an innocent defenseless baby as opposed to her abusers).  I'm also reminded that after a long drawn out defense by Leslie Abramson for the Menedez brothers even with the aid of a medical history she failed to get the Menedez Brothers acquitted while tried together (locked jury), in fact they were retried with separate trials (non televised) and they were both convicted of first degree murder as well as conspiracy to commit murder receiving life sentences, so the only thing they were spared was the death penalty.   The jury later reported that the abuse defense was not a factor in their deliberations but they collectively rejected the death penalty because neither brother had a felony record or a history of violence.

[Cappuccino]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36538052/04292010-Motion-To-Seal-Jail-Visiting-Log-Records
I wanted to add that although we would like to know, I dont see that the defense motion to redact visitor logs concerning experts is that big of a deal, if they succeed in their argument that her right to a fair trial would be compromised.   Let them bring in who the taxpayers are going to end up paying for as defense experts - I see their testimony making little to no difference in the end.....I honestly dont.

[akmom]

I just saw my neighbors toddler who'll be turning 3 in a cuple months. When I saw him last a few months ago he was getting out a word here and there and mostly yelling; now, he is definitely communicating verbally and is totally understandable--I was shocked at the difference. This made me think of poor little Caylee of course. Kids at that age seem to advance in verbal skills by leaps and bounds.
I believe the minute her child started to verbalize her thoughts, KC knew she had to to come up with a plan of action before her gig was up. It was only a matter of time before CA and GA heard that Caylee was spending the day at home after the grandparents were out of the house, and that there was no Zanny, and the rest of the inumerable lies would come to light. KC couldn't keep drugging Caylee indefinitely, because that too was bound to become apparent eventually. So she had to think of something, anything: maybe she could find on the Internet something in the house that could be used to get rid of Caylee, that could be deemed an accident, maybe stage a kidnapping like on OneTreeHill, SOMETHING! Then came the fight with Cindy on Father's Day. Caution went out the window and KC gave her temper full reign. She already had it semi-planned, so might as well act now. So she did.
For defense dupes that might say KC had no real motive to kill Caylee, that she could have just left her with her grandparents, they don't understand the pathological personality. KC's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it. People were expendable, as long as KC's lies could remain intact, and life continue the way she wanted it. The only real thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwhile was her ability to hoodwink people. This is the same theme for countless people like her born (IMO) with this defective personality. This is the ONLY goal in their worthless lives.

SCATTY~ Agree with your excellent post.  I believe that you hit  it when you said "Kc's life was one big lie, and she would do anything to protect it................The only thing in KC's life that made her feel worthwile was her ability to hood wink people."

That was her strong suit, manipulating and using people. For a person like her, a toddler is impossible to use. Too young to bribe, too old to sedate to sleep for hours and hours, too immature to use as an ally in her schemes etc. Caylee was a problem and she was a rival. In fairy tales there can be only one princess

You both are SO correct - Caylee was telling CA things which she saw and CA was tearing into KC over it. One thing which I have not seen discussed, is................. if Caylee was being drugged with ANY type of drug, (zanex, chloroform, benedyrl, others) as those things start wearing off she would be a nervous wreck and cry a lot. She would have withdrawals because small children can't take a central nervous system depressants and not have them.  

Since CA was a home health care office worker the "drug" closet in that place would have been a treasure chest for KC to get her drugs for Caylee. There were many times that it talked about KC "stopping by" her mother's office.

Many elderly and very ill patients take liquid pain and other meds and the detail men (pharmaceutical salespersons) bring in cases of their drugs and put them in the "detail closet." All of them have things like oxycotin, zanex,liquid demerol, etc. Anyone who has ever worked in a Dr.'s office knows what I am talking about.

By the time LE checked the Anthony's medicine cabinets all of those "samples" would have been LONG GONE.....

Caylee's possible reaction to drugs wearing off reminds me of something removed from Caysee's room.  Anyone else remember????  There was a book about child-rearing with tantrum solutions underlined or highlighted.  Anyone else remember this???????  Maybe this was why.