Haleigh Marie Cummings #33 4/15/10 - 4/19/10

[Brandi]

Voice Analysis #2 Given July/August 2009

Brother woke up Sunday night at 12:30-1 and notices that Joe is gone - story already cooking at this point?  Van was in Crescent City?  Timmy lives in Crescent City?

So basically she was already throwing Tommy and Joe under the bus at this point.  Ron invited Joe over.  Tommy smokes crack - Misty says he knows places to smoke crack.  Joe is not familar w/the area???

So IMO this story, if that's what it is, was concocted a long time ago. Test administered for TM around July/August?

Also interesting article about polygraph administered.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says misty is their person of interest right now adding that her only consistency is her inconsistency.

In one of the polygraph questions, Croslin is asked, “Have you intentionally withheld any information about Haleigh's disappearance?" to which she answered, “No.” According to the polygraph technician, her answer indicated a 99 percent deception rate.

When asked if she knew the whereabouts of Haleigh, again she answered, “No.” According to the polygraph technician, her answer indicated a 95 percent deception rate.

But when asked if she knew who took Haleigh, again the answer was, “No.” This time, according to the polygraph technician, her answer indicated a 46 percent deception rate.
 
 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/082709_Polygraph_results_questioned_in_Haleigh_case

Sorry for rehashing trying to compare what we know now to what was said than.

Oh you bet she was laying the groundwork back then! I listened to the LVA from August 2009 again last night. She threw Tommy and Joe under the bus right away, saying they both "messed" with her when she was young. She said it had to be one or more of three people responsible: Crystal or someone on her side of the family, or Tommy or/and Joe. Discusses the deer blood in the van, the scratch on it, the bushes stuck in the headlights, the fact that Joe usually slept in his underwear, and that night, he was found to be sleeping in his clothes.

Well worth re-watching it, IMO.

 

So this was July/August I begin to wonder when it started?  Altho I think Tommy and Joe could very well be involved.  Misty didn't do this alone and until I see something from LE on Ron they have given me nothing to suspect Ron.  If only we had those phone records.... I'm dreaming I know.

I believe Misty is very much like Casey Anthony, and there are some truths in some of her statements. Problem is weeding them out!

[Rob]

I am not fully convinced Nancy really believes in Ron. She can't be that stupid.

I think it is one big act and she is worried about Melinda Duckett-ing his azz.

LOL 

I like O4Bull's "Gumma" Hollar too - soooo funny.

This whole cast of characters is like the bar scene from Star Wars.

This made me break out in laughter....... then I realized how right you are and it made me feel so much hurt for haleigh since she ended up in this mess of characters that aren't capable of taking care of a child.

For some reason I am having a little problem with all the humor and making fun of Haleigh's family too. Maybe because she was unlucky enough to have been born into this family and never had a chance at a decent life. As I stated many times, every one of them failed her in her short life.

I know humor serves its purpose of allowing us to deal with horrors such as this case though.

Maybe because I still held a little hope Haleigh was alive until yesterday and this recent news has hit me a little harder than those who believed she was dead long ago.

Poor Haleigh.

a child does need fancy clothes nor a grandma with teeth - a child only needs love and caring family to flourish. Being poor does not pre-determine one's life - but the having the love and guidance that a real family provides.

[no rose colored glasses]

I think that Misty is deeply involved in this and has no intention of getting caught so if she were to implicate anyone that helped her then she would be taking herself down also...she has from the start tried to throw in Joe and brother Tommy under the bus....that tells me that they were not her helpers....which leaves Ron ....her mouthing in court that she loves him and him giving her the "don't even think about spilling the beans look".... and then after the family meeting where they tell family that it looks like cuz Joe did it and he comes out with that smug look on his face.....this may even be Mistys way of making amends for the drug bust and him losing Junior....I did not know that Ron was communicating with her...I wish that we could see those...but as in the CA case there was communication there too ....he knows just how to hint to her that others may not be able to pick up on....I hope that Le is keeping an open mind and not just trying to close the case....Only one question how did TC now where to tell Le to go look?.....maybe he helped Misty at Ron's direction afterall Ron and him did exchange calls that night...hummm....still thinking on this one...any input????

I keep coming back to this thought:  Something happened before Ron went to work...there is a reason why Ron was so frantic with the phone calls to Misty.  Tommy probably showed up at the trailer only because Ron and/or Misty asked him to go to the trailer.  Occums Razor....

Yes, all those phone calls and at work no less. Occums Razor

[Brandi]

I think that Misty is deeply involved in this and has no intention of getting caught so if she were to implicate anyone that helped her then she would be taking herself down also...she has from the start tried to throw in Joe and brother Tommy under the bus....that tells me that they were not her helpers....which leaves Ron ....her mouthing in court that she loves him and him giving her the "don't even think about spilling the beans look".... and then after the family meeting where they tell family that it looks like cuz Joe did it and he comes out with that smug look on his face.....this may even be Mistys way of making amends for the drug bust and him losing Junior....I did not know that Ron was communicating with her...I wish that we could see those...but as in the CA case there was communication there too ....he knows just how to hint to her that others may not be able to pick up on....I hope that Le is keeping an open mind and not just trying to close the case....Only one question how did TC now where to tell Le to go look?.....maybe he helped Misty at Ron's direction afterall Ron and him did exchange calls that night...hummm....still thinking on this one...any input????

I keep coming back to this thought:  Something happened before Ron went to work...there is a reason why Ron was so frantic with the phone calls to Misty.  Tommy probably showed up at the trailer only because Ron and/or Misty asked him to go to the trailer.  Occums Razor....

Possibly Misty called Ron while he was working to report that Haleigh was not breathing or that she was in some physical distress. That would explain the many calls. And by then Misty was too busy covering up and helping Tommy and Joe take her to the dock. So she didn't answer the calls.

[my2cents]

Ron is a punk azz in my book but for a large company like PDM bridge to have security at the shift changes after they let Ron go must mean that others see him a very real threat.....If they are afraid to walk to their car then would they be afraid to talk if they knew something about that night? Did Ron threaten someone that was covering for him that night? I keep thinking of all of the calls that were made that night yet he had no hurry to get home .....I think of the Drew Peterson case where he left the cell phone with the friend ......were all of those calls just to place him at work when he was actually somewhere else?....Could he have said take my phone and keep trying to call Misty ...I am going to go see what is up at my house I'll be back ....cover for me and hopped the fence?......Came back and said oh it is cool she was just sleeping.... thanks man.

[Puzzler]

Oh...didn't Ron's mother (I think it was her) live a distance away but was actually at the trailer very shortly after she was called about Haleigh (even though the call was placed in the middle of the night, when most people are in bed and would have to get dressed and then drive to the trailer)?

Don't I remember that correctly?

I've always wondered "HOW" that happened.

[Rob]

I am not fully convinced Nancy really believes in Ron. She can't be that stupid.

I think it is one big act and she is worried about Melinda Duckett-ing his azz.

LOL 

I like O4Bull's "Gumma" Hollar too - soooo funny.

This whole cast of characters is like the bar scene from Star Wars.

This made me break out in laughter....... then I realized how right you are and it made me feel so much hurt for haleigh since she ended up in this mess of characters that aren't capable of taking care of a child.

 

I shouldn't laff but I can't help it LOL

[my2cents]

Oh...didn't Ron's mother (I think it was her) live a distance away but was actually at the trailer very shortly after she was called about Haleigh (even though the call was placed in the middle of the night, when most people are in bed and would have to get dressed and then drive to the trailer)?

Don't I remember that correctly?

I've always wondered "HOW" that happened.

Yes you do remember correctly

[cookie]

I too am having to come to the realization that Haleigh is more than likely dead...and I am having a really hard time of letting go of the hope for this little girl....I have held out hope up until now..
I still don't think that Ron had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance...he is a crap head, but he would not harm his child, nor would he cover up for anyone else who would harm Haleigh...even Crystal says that about him and I think if she felt otherwise, she would have said so... I think that if he thought that Joe had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, Ron would have gone to his house and beat the truth out of him....that being said, Misty DOES know what happened to Haleigh and is probably the murderer of this child...she has been the key to this all along.....My biggest question to her is WHY???? what could this little child have done that was so awful that she was murdered either by accident or by intention? and then to have her little body put in the water that is believed to have happened?? WHY??? I can't believe that Ron was so stupid as to believe Misty all of this time...
My heart is heavy......

[Brandi]

I am not fully convinced Nancy really believes in Ron. She can't be that stupid.

I think it is one big act and she is worried about Melinda Duckett-ing his azz.

LOL 

I like O4Bull's "Gumma" Hollar too - soooo funny.

This whole cast of characters is like the bar scene from Star Wars.

This made me break out in laughter....... then I realized how right you are and it made me feel so much hurt for haleigh since she ended up in this mess of characters that aren't capable of taking care of a child.

For some reason I am having a little problem with all the humor and making fun of Haleigh's family too. Maybe because she was unlucky enough to have been born into this family and never had a chance at a decent life. As I stated many times, every one of them failed her in her short life.

I know humor serves its purpose of allowing us to deal with horrors such as this case though.

Maybe because I still held a little hope Haleigh was alive until yesterday and this recent news has hit me a little harder than those who believed she was dead long ago.

Poor Haleigh.

a child does need fancy clothes nor a grandma with teeth - a child only needs love and caring family to flourish. Being poor does not pre-determine one's life - but the having the love and guidance that a real family provides.

I think you misunderstood me. I did not mean poor as in moneyless. I meant poor as in unfortunate, such a sad situation she was in.

Haleigh was not given the love and guidance needed to flourish by her family, IMO. It had nothing to do with money.

[mymonkey]

I think that Misty is deeply involved in this and has no intention of getting caught so if she were to implicate anyone that helped her then she would be taking herself down also...she has from the start tried to throw in Joe and brother Tommy under the bus....that tells me that they were not her helpers....which leaves Ron ....her mouthing in court that she loves him and him giving her the "don't even think about spilling the beans look".... and then after the family meeting where they tell family that it looks like cuz Joe did it and he comes out with that smug look on his face.....this may even be Mistys way of making amends for the drug bust and him losing Junior....I did not know that Ron was communicating with her...I wish that we could see those...but as in the CA case there was communication there too ....he knows just how to hint to her that others may not be able to pick up on....I hope that Le is keeping an open mind and not just trying to close the case....Only one question how did TC now where to tell Le to go look?.....maybe he helped Misty at Ron's direction afterall Ron and him did exchange calls that night...hummm....still thinking on this one...any input????

I keep coming back to this thought:  Something happened before Ron went to work...there is a reason why Ron was so frantic with the phone calls to Misty.  Tommy probably showed up at the trailer only because Ron and/or Misty asked him to go to the trailer.  Occums Razor....

Possibly Misty called Ron while he was working to report that Haleigh was not breathing or that she was in some physical distress. That would explain the many calls. And by then Misty was too busy covering up and helping Tommy and Joe take her to the dock. So she didn't answer the calls.

Maybe Misty did not have her phoned charged up and the calls went to voice mail...just a thought.

[BooMonkey]

snipped:

Can we just write a new law called Misty's Law and just send her right to death row?

I mean to tell ya people, I am just done with the b.

Oh Carpe I love that law, fricking funny!! I got a couple of women I want to nominate for that one!   

[Tamikosmom]

When you consider the actions of LE at the river along with Misty's presence ... I do believe that Misty's recorded words to Grandma are being taken seriously by authorities.  Misty's has implicated herself big time in the happening encompassing Haleigh's demise.

Janet

++++++++++++++


Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S AND JOE`S GRANDMOTHER:  What I was told by Misty this morning was that Tommy and Joe took Haleigh and wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and tied a brick around the bottom -- the other end of the rope and throwed her into the river. Now, that come from Misty`s mouth into my ear ....

GRACE: She just said that Joe Overstreet killed Misty -- killed Haleigh?

HOLLARS: He and Tommy -- she said Joe Overstreet and Tommy wrapped the rope around Haleigh and carried her to the dock at the St. John`s River and put a block around the other end of the rope and throwed her in the river.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

[jill]

just got home from work and am reading the news.

I'm confused:  wasn't the search of the river supposed to end last night at around 6?

Did I read correctly that they are out there again today?

[no rose colored glasses]

I can't and won't get past the fact that the two of them moved out of that mobile home real quick. Why, because Misty and Ron both knew Haleigh was dead, otherwise wouldn't most people stay in their home and keep things like they are so when she came home she would feel safe in her old surroundings? Way to many things for me to not believe that Ron didn't know what was going on, imo. Don't trust any of them.

[Magic Eyes]

I am not fully convinced Nancy really believes in Ron. She can't be that stupid.

I think it is one big act and she is worried about Melinda Duckett-ing his azz.

LOL 

I like O4Bull's "Gumma" Hollar too - soooo funny.

This whole cast of characters is like the bar scene from Star Wars.

This made me break out in laughter....... then I realized how right you are and it made me feel so much hurt for haleigh since she ended up in this mess of characters that aren't capable of taking care of a child.

For some reason I am having a little problem with all the humor and making fun of Haleigh's family too. Maybe because she was unlucky enough to have been born into this family and never had a chance at a decent life. As I stated many times, every one of them failed her in her short life.

I know humor serves its purpose of allowing us to deal with horrors such as this case though.

Maybe because I still held a little hope Haleigh was alive until yesterday and this recent news has hit me a little harder than those who believed she was dead long ago.

Poor Haleigh.

Brandi, my heart goes out to you and to all the loving people that never gave up on Haleigh.  I came here for Caylee and when her body was found on my granddaughters birthday, I was both relieved and heart-broken.  I have not read as much in Haleigh's thread as I do in Caylee's.  I keep up with the news but became so disheartened with Caylee's case, I just couldn't bear to read page after page about another crazy family not keeping their precious baby safe.  I have prayed daily for Haleigh and all of the people so worried about her. 

The miracle of Nadia has brought me down from the rafters with hope.  I feel so sorry for all of the wonderful monkeys, who haven't stopped for a second, researching and posting and keeping Haleigh in our hearts and minds.

The only comforting thing I can think to say at this time, is that the whole time we were praying for Haleigh she was already an Angel in Heaven.  She has been this whole time, looking down and watching over us, while we prayed for her.  I truly believe she knows of this love from complete strangers, she has heard our every word and thought.  Our prayers were not unaswered and the fact that she will now receive justice, will be some measure of comfort.  God had no hand in this, only evil.  Look to Nadia's case for the hand of God, nothing else can ever make sense.

Never lose hope monkeys, be it for a safe outcome or justice, hope is all we will ever have.

Hugs, Magic 

[mariloo]

To:  Rob

You are so right on about children only needing a loving home.  My grandmother had 10 children and worked in the fields, bring babies and letting them sleep on sacks of cotton.  Ther entire family loves each other and are the kindest, sweetest people you will ever meet.  All the children grew up never knowing they were considered poor.  The boys went into service after graduation.  The girls did well for themselves, one of them opening the one of the first Baskin-Robbins store in Silver Spring, MD.  None of them were angry about their raising.  They all learned how to manage money well.  All worked and not one asked the Gov'mt for a handout.  No drugs...my Grandmother was strict on their upbringing and taught all how to make it with God as their leader.  I say all this to say, these families like Croslins and others involved all seem to come from inbreeding.  Raised to think the world owes them an existance, etc.  I heard Misty say in her hypnosis video that she hasn't been to school in a long time and she does not remember what she did in school.  WTF.  When did she drop out ?.......in the 3rd grade?  These are people I am so thankful I nor my children never lived close to.

[strayze]

Misty's nose is red in the picture below.  What does this mean?  Could it be from inhaled drug?




 
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[Babybear]

I am not fully convinced Nancy really believes in Ron. She can't be that stupid.

I think it is one big act and she is worried about Melinda Duckett-ing his azz.

LOL 

I like O4Bull's "Gumma" Hollar too - soooo funny.

This whole cast of characters is like the bar scene from Star Wars.

This made me break out in laughter....... then I realized how right you are and it made me feel so much hurt for haleigh since she ended up in this mess of characters that aren't capable of taking care of a child.

For some reason I am having a little problem with all the humor and making fun of Haleigh's family too. Maybe because she was unlucky enough to have been born into this family and never had a chance at a decent life. As I stated many times, every one of them failed her in her short life.

I know humor serves its purpose of allowing us to deal with horrors such as this case though.

Maybe because I still held a little hope Haleigh was alive until yesterday and this recent news has hit me a little harder than those who believed she was dead long ago.

Poor Haleigh.

Hi Brandi---I have not commented on this thread for many months and won't again, but I wanted to say that I agree with you. These are the people in Haileigh's life and I'm sure she loved them.  There are many, many people just like them, no better, no worse.  More than most of us could imagine. Illegal drugs are one of the reasons that this country is being destroyed.  And it involves every stratum of our society.

In all of the pictures I have seen of Haileigh, she appeared to be happy.  Not as well cared for as many children are, but happy.   

[Rob]

I think you misunderstood me. I did not mean poor as in moneyless. I meant poor as in unfortunate, such a sad situation she was in.

Haleigh was not given the love and guidance needed to flourish by her family, IMO. It had nothing to do with money.

we were making the same point - just saying it differently. Sorry for any confusion.