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« Reply #1000 on: June 03, 2010, 08:14:50 PM »

Why would John Kelly go to Aruba in May? To try to enlist Aruba's help in charging Joran with extortion? I don't see why he would go there. It's way past the time of expecting Aruba to take an interest in Joran's criminal activities.


I noticed in this afternoon's press conference from B'ham, that the Federal prosecutor
made a point to say that Aruba had been very helpful with this.

Thank you. I wonder if Joran knew Kelly was poking around. That might have put some pressure on him.

Complaint dated June 3 2010....Joran I think has been in Peru since May 14th.....$15000 wired on or about May 10th to bank in Aruba. I would think if Kelly was in Aruba because of the extortion, he would have been in Aruba when Joran was still there. So it may have sent him traveling sooner rather than later if he got wind of Kelly investigating. I don't think the tournament (poker) was until this week in Peru, so he certainly didn't need to be there 2 weeks ahead of time.
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« Reply #1001 on: June 03, 2010, 08:14:58 PM »

On Nancy Grace one of the brothers of Stephany Flores said one brother went to identify Stephany Flores and he said she was unrecognizable.

Which is probably why Nat would never be allowed to be found.
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« Reply #1002 on: June 03, 2010, 08:15:35 PM »

Stephany brother via phone with Nancy Grace.. how sad.. he said her body was UNRECOGNIZEABLE...  Sad



I posted this earlier because I happen to believe Natalee's blood was all over those rocks:



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« Reply #1003 on: June 03, 2010, 08:15:49 PM »

O/T  Remember how happy Natalee was in the backseat of the car talking about her first visit to the beach after moving to Alabama?  That's one of my favorite videos of her.

Well, now that very beach is in great peril.  As you pray for Natalee, Beth and family and Stephany and her family, please remember that beach and pray for a miracle for it. 

I think it is something Natalee would have liked.

OT: We're hangin' in here down here, but they have a few tar balls at Dauphin Island.
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« Reply #1004 on: June 03, 2010, 08:17:46 PM »

Did they ever offer an explanation as to why they were painting the rocks?
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« Reply #1005 on: June 03, 2010, 08:17:51 PM »

Paul Reynolds on the phone now...Nancy Grace
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« Reply #1006 on: June 03, 2010, 08:20:24 PM »

We will honor your father`s request, Morta.

YOU REALLY NEED TO STOP TREATING GIRLS LIKE THAT, SPORTER.

A lot of people all over the world want to help you with this problem.
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« Reply #1007 on: June 03, 2010, 08:22:10 PM »

Why would John Kelly go to Aruba in May? To try to enlist Aruba's help in charging Joran with extortion? I don't see why he would go there. It's way past the time of expecting Aruba to take an interest in Joran's criminal activities.


I noticed in this afternoon's press conference from B'ham, that the Federal prosecutor
made a point to say that Aruba had been very helpful with this.
Maybe Aruba authorities videoed him picking up the money.  I'll bet he used an alias and thought he could out-fox Beth and the FBI. 


The money was wired from an Alabama bank to a Netherlands bank ... so that must have gone directly into his checking account, and no doubt he made use of it pretty quick.  IMO, there's the damning transaction-his using it.  I believe I saw it written that he had been in Aruba before traveling to Chile for that poker fest.  So, they must have been on the alert.
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« Reply #1008 on: June 03, 2010, 08:25:41 PM »

Stephany brother via phone with Nancy Grace.. how sad.. he said her body was UNRECOGNIZEABLE...  Sad



I posted this earlier because I happen to believe Natalee's blood was all over those rocks:





  I agree klass.. EVEN my mother who never followed this much saw it on the news today.. OUR local news in PA.. my mother said.. if the assholes in Aruba would have done something with this kid.. this poor girl perhaps would be alive.. she feels bad for  Natalees family and Stephany family and friends..
 This MO FO gotta go down.. part of me even thinks IF hes in jail and talks about NAT again and where she is.. THATS going to be NOTHING but a bunch of BS lies again..  Sad   
OH MY.. I always said if he ever got arrested years ago.. Id run down the street naked... Well.. I will and I will get arrested !!  lol
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« Reply #1009 on: June 03, 2010, 08:26:10 PM »

Stephany brother via phone with Nancy Grace.. how sad.. he said her body was UNRECOGNIZEABLE...  Sad



I posted this earlier because I happen to believe Natalee's blood was all over those rocks:





It's sad, but after hearing how Stephany was murdered, I suspect Natalie was probably murdered in a similar way. Beaten, neck broken, possibly stabbed.
I agree with you about probably blood on those rocks.
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« Reply #1010 on: June 03, 2010, 08:26:35 PM »

On Nancy Grace one of the brothers of Stephany Flores said one brother went to identify Stephany Flores and he said she was unrecognizable.

Which is probably why Nat would never be allowed to be found.

Most probably.
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« Reply #1011 on: June 03, 2010, 08:26:40 PM »

Did they ever offer an explanation as to why they were painting the rocks?
I think they said it is what they do when someone was brutally murdered and left blood and body parts that dried up on the rocks, but it wasn't Natalee b/c she ran away to S.Am. and Beth collected insurance $.
Then they said what rocks.
Then what paint.
Then it was a young Columbian boy that was ashore into the rocks and had been dead for 3 yrs.
It was dog blood.

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« Reply #1012 on: June 03, 2010, 08:28:08 PM »

I thought they were a pretty well to do family at the time of Natalie's murder.  Guess all that money went to pay off everyone in Aruba!  I have to think that there are a lot of people in Aruba with their panties in a wad about now ... wondering what JVDS will give up concerning their cover up ... thinking it might help him in this case ...
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« Reply #1013 on: June 03, 2010, 08:30:06 PM »

No documents filed yet that can be retreived but this online in the K2 case:

06/02/2010 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER EXTENDING DEADLINE FOR PLAINTIFFS' DEPO OR ALLOWING THEM TO PROCEED IN ARUBA )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

06/02/2010 Opposition Document (TO PLNTF'S EX PARTE RE: DEPO )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent


The judge already said NO!
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« Reply #1014 on: June 03, 2010, 08:35:30 PM »

Interpol Chile handled the expulsion of Dutchman Van der Sloot

However, there is still no international arrest warrant for charges of murdering Stephany Flores, Manuel said Malaver, executive director of Interpol Peru
Interpol Chile "is making every effort" to drive to Peru Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores, daughter of race car driver and businessman Ricardo Flores.

This was announced by the Executive Director Interpol Peru, Manuel Malaver PNP colonel, who, however, clarified that "there is no international arrest warrant" on judicial matters for the young man who is currently in custody in Chile.

"I am being informed by the judicial authorities is that there is a lawsuit about it," but "a premiliminar detention for 24 hours, but it is at national level", ie in the Southern country.

The colonel added that PNP is also coordinating the way in which the Dutchman would come to Peru. Could it be by land, via Tacna and Arica, and the other option is to send it by plane to Lima.
GROUNDS FOR EXPULSION
According Malaver, Van der Sloot could be kicked out taking into account historical, not having sufficient financial resources and also by the existence of an Interpol notice of its location in Peru to Chile.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489385/interpol-chile-tramita-expulsion-holandes-van-der-sloot
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« Reply #1015 on: June 03, 2010, 08:36:38 PM »

Stephany brother via phone with Nancy Grace.. how sad.. he said her body was UNRECOGNIZEABLE...  Sad



I posted this earlier because I happen to believe Natalee's blood was all over those rocks:





  I agree klass.. EVEN my mother who never followed this much saw it on the news today.. OUR local news in PA.. my mother said.. if the assholes in Aruba would have done something with this kid.. this poor girl perhaps would be alive.. she feels bad for  Natalees family and Stephany family and friends..
 This MO FO gotta go down.. part of me even thinks IF hes in jail and talks about NAT again and where she is.. THATS going to be NOTHING but a bunch of BS lies again..  Sad   
OH MY.. I always said if he ever got arrested years ago.. Id run down the street naked... Well.. I will and I will get arrested !!  lol

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« Reply #1016 on: June 03, 2010, 08:39:23 PM »


Joran van der Sloot led a high-stakes life in South America


Joran van der Sloot was a gambler.

Even as the young man was hounded by suspicions and cameras for his role in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway five years ago, he could be found at poker tables on two continents.

As he sat in a Chilean jail Thursday on charges that me murdered a young woman in Lima, Peru earlier this week, those who know him describe van der Sloot as an athletic and arrogant young man with a yearning for women and risk that led him across the globe.

Van der Sloot met Holloway when he was just 17 at a card table in Aruba. It was one of the last times she'd be seen alive. Van der Sloot was never charged in that case but remains the prime suspect.

Five years to the day -- on Sunday -- video cameras would show van der Sloot leaving a poker tournament in Lima, Peru with 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

On Tuesday, she was found with a broken neck and wrapped in a sheet at a Lima hotel just a few blocks from the casino. Two days later, van der Sloot's luck ran out whenpolice in Chile detained the 22-year-old fugitive as he traveled between the resort town of Viña del Mar and the capital of Santiago.

Dressed in a black-hooded sweat shirt and with his brown hair close cropped, van der Sloot was seen walking calmly and uncuffed into a Chilean police station escorted by three officers.

Van der Sloot's attorney in New York, Joe Tacopina, cautioned against rushing to judgement.

``Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before,'' Tacopina told the Associated Press. ``The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he's a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play.''

Also Thursday, the U.S. Attorneys Office in Alabama received an arrest warrant against van der Sloot on wire fraud and extortion charges. Money was wired from a Birmingham institution in May to Joran Van Der Sloot after he requested $250,000 in exchange for the whereabouts of Holloway's remains and the circumstances relating to her death, according to a news release from the U.S. Attorneys office.

The information he provided was false, the release said.

Noah Acre was playing Texas hold 'em in the Asia Pacific Poker Tour in Macau in 2009 when he looked up to see van der Sloot sitting across the table.

Recognizing the tall Dutchman from the round-the-clock television coverage that the Holloway case generated, he recalls van der Sloot did not seem shy about his notoriety.

He wore a loud, multicolored jacket with the logo of L.A. Café -- a seedy Manila bar and brothel -- and was surrounded by an entourage of young men.

Acre asked van der Sloot why he kept dealing with the media after being burned by a Dutch journalist who released hidden-camera footage that seemed to show him confessing to disposing of Holloway's body.

``Because they gave me money,'' van der Sloot responded.


``I am pretty good at sizing people up quickly,'' Acre said of the man he spoke to several times during the week-long tournament. ``He seemed like all he cared about was partying and getting girls ... The whole Natalee Holloway thing didn't seem to weigh on him one bit.''

Things might have been different.

Van der Sloot, the eldest of three sons, had originally planned to attend university in Florida.

But after his arrest and subsequent release, he returned to his native Holland where he studied business. He didn't stay out of the limelight for long. Hounded by tabloids and television cameras, he traveled to New York to give a televised account of his involvement with Holloway


When Acre met him in Macau, van der Sloot claimed to live in Thailand. The same Dutch journalist who had taped him claims van der Sloot was in Bangkok selling Thai women into prostitution in the Netherlands.

As early as last summer, van der Sloot moved once again.

``The last time I spoke to his mother, she said he was in South America,'' Magda Frans, the secretary at the Aruba Racquet Club told The Miami Herald. ``Which part, she didn't know.''


Joran and his father, Paulus, often played doubles tennis at the club, she said.

The night before he was arrested for the first time in Holloway's disappearance, he played doubles tennis with his father in the Moet & Chandon Anniversary Cup tournament, Frans said.

``They lost,'' she said.

The match took place at 7:30 p.m. June 8, 2005. Some 10 hours later, Aruban police arrested him. The day was supposed to be memorable for other reasons -- he was supposed to graduate with honors that evening from the International School of Aruba.

It was a double blow to his mother, Anita, who taught at the school.

When reached at her home -- a one-story cinder block house painted mustard yellow -- Anita van der Sloot sounded composed and attempted to politely dismiss any inquiries about her son.

She has two other sons, Valentijn and Sebastian. She is now a widow. Her husband died suddenly last February while playing tennis.

``I don't know anything,'' Anita told The Herald. ``I haven't been in contact with Joran for a long time, not si

According to Peruvian authorities, van der Sloot traveled to Argentina and Colombia before arriving in Lima on May 14 for the Latin American Poker Tour.


On Thursday, Stephany Flores' father, Ricardo, said he hoped van der Sloot's capture would bring solace to others beyond his family.

``This is not just about my daughter,'' he told reporters in Lima. ``There is also the case in Aruba that is pending and we don't know how many more.''


On MySpace and Facebook pages that appear to have been created by van der Sloot, the young man seems to have the tastes of most men his age.

He is a fan of the South Park television show, scantily clad women, the late rapper Notorious B.I.G., and President Barack Obama.

He's also a member of a Facebook page called ``If I could turn back the time'' where users share their biggest regrets. If van der Sloot had any, he didn't show his cards there.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/03/1662456_p2/joran-van-der-sloot-led-a-high.html
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« Reply #1017 on: June 03, 2010, 08:39:46 PM »

On Nancy Grace one of the brothers of Stephany Flores said one brother went to identify Stephany Flores and he said she was unrecognizable. Also something about her eye Sad
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« Reply #1018 on: June 03, 2010, 08:41:29 PM »

Did they ever offer an explanation as to why they were painting the rocks?
I think they said it is what they do when someone was brutally murdered and left blood and body parts that dried up on the rocks, but it wasn't Natalee b/c she ran away to S.Am. and Beth collected insurance $.
Then they said what rocks.
Then what paint.
Then it was a young Columbian boy that was ashore into the rocks and had been dead for 3 yrs.
It was dog blood.

I am absolutely discussed by aruba-murder island Inc.



Thanks, couldn't remember what possible explanation there could have been.
Guess it's the Aruban Way, tell several conflicting stories and send you off with your head spinning.


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« Reply #1019 on: June 03, 2010, 08:41:55 PM »

It seems that he really wanted to be caught
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