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« Reply #1240 on: June 04, 2010, 01:01:08 AM »

Why did Joran enter Peru from Columbia?  Do we have any idea?

I have to wonder if he wasn't looking over his shoulder to see if the FBI was after him for the extortion.  Maybe he thought he would just wind his way on down to the poker tournament and no one would notice.
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« Reply #1241 on: June 04, 2010, 01:02:43 AM »

Any guesses of the ramifications on the Kalpoes?? Do you think the Kalpoes ever showed up for the Cali depositions???????

They did not show.  Their attorneys filed a request to postpone the depositions and Dr. Phil's attorneys have objected.  No documents filed just the notice that this happened.  I'm hoping docs tomorrow. Smile
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« Reply #1242 on: June 04, 2010, 01:07:32 AM »

Thanks Klaas  Good map.  I remember when Suriman was called Dutch Guyana.

He did leave mighty early for a tournament that didn't start until June 1st.
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« Reply #1243 on: June 04, 2010, 01:11:12 AM »

Why did Joran enter Peru from Columbia?  Do we have any idea?

I have to wonder if he wasn't looking over his shoulder to see if the FBI was after him for the extortion.  Maybe he thought he would just wind his way on down to the poker tournament and no one would notice.


You know if anybody in the Aruban police dept knew about the extortion sting, Joran was told.
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« Reply #1244 on: June 04, 2010, 01:11:35 AM »

Thanks Klaas  Good map.  I remember when Suriman was called Dutch Guyana.

He did leave mighty early for a tournament that didn't start until June 1st.

I think when he found out his extortion try was a sting, he hightailed it out of Aruba. 
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« Reply #1245 on: June 04, 2010, 01:15:45 AM »

Thanks Klaas  Good map.  I remember when Suriman was called Dutch Guyana.

He did leave mighty early for a tournament that didn't start until June 1st.

I think when he found out his extortion try was a sting, he hightailed it out of Aruba. 

I think so too.  I think that is when Anita and Renho wrote the things on his wall.
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« Reply #1246 on: June 04, 2010, 01:16:18 AM »

Carpe - thanks for bringing the Gretawire.

IMO, If Joran did not go to SA he would have murdered elsewhere.  It was only a matter of time.

Exactly.  

And who knows what he did with the money Greta gave him for the story she sat on for months.

How dare she!

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« Reply #1247 on: June 04, 2010, 01:18:34 AM »


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/federal_charges_in_alabama_wil.html

Federal charges in Alabama will await van der Sloot, if he is not charged in murder case in Peru
June 3, 2010

If Joran van der Sloot is not charged in the death of a woman in Peru, federal prosecutors in Birmingham say the Dutchman will be brought to Alabama on charges of fraud and extortion announced here today in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Holloway, a Mountain Brook teen, disappeared in May 2005 while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Van der Sloot has been a long-time suspect in that case, but does not face charges.

He is being detained in Chile in connection with the death of a 21-year-old woman, found on Sunday in Peru.

The U.S. Attorney's office and FBI said that on May 10, van der Sloot extorted $15,000 as a partial payment from an individual in exchange for information he would provide on the location of Natalee Holloway's remains and the circumstances of her death.

U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance said that van der Sloot had provided false information during his scheme. She declined to say who van der Sloot had extorted or what he is alleged to have told them.

Federal authorities said the extortion charge from Birmingham was coincidental to the case in Peru.

"I want to stress at the outset that our case is not related in any way to the ongoing murder investigation in Peru,"  Vance said at a press conference in Birmingham.

But if authorities in Peru don't charge van der Sloot then he would be brought to the U.S. to face the charges waiting for him in Birmingham, FBI and U.S. Attorneys office officials said.

Aruban authorities were helpful to the FBI in its extortion investigation, Vance said.

"We are committed to protecting citizens from unscrupulous individuals who attempt to financially exploit a person's deepest fears and greatest loss," Vance said in a prepared statement. If convicted on the two charges from Birmingham, van der Sloot could face a maximum sentence of 30 years on the wire fraud count and a maximum of 20 years on the extortion charge.


As long as Peru follows through with murder charges against Joran ... it appears the the extortion complaint filed by the US Attorney will be put on hold.

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« Reply #1248 on: June 04, 2010, 01:19:40 AM »

http://www.livinginperu.com/news-12362-breaking-news-chile-decides-expel-joran-van-der-sloot-peru-prepares-arrest-him
Chile decides to expel Joran van der Sloot, Peru prepares to arrest him
June 3, 2010

The Chilean government has decided to expel Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot, who is accused in Peru of murdering Stephany Flores (21), reports Radio Cooperativa Chile.

Van der Sloot, who is also related to the disappearance of US citizen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, will leave at 8:00 a.m. and will be sent by plane to Arica,.

Once in Arica, he will be moved to the border with Peru, where he will arrested by Peru police, reports Chilean daily La Tercera.


The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Peru expressed that the Dutch citizen will be arrested as soon as he enters Peru.

Van der Sloot, who entered Chile on May 31, was captured  this morning in Santiago, while he was heading to Viña del Mar.

His Peruvian victim, Stephany Flores, was found dead in a hotel room last Wednesday.

Thanks, Muffy.  For some reason I feel a little better knowing there is a timetable for this.  That it's not all unclear and still up in the air.  I understand that no warrant makes it much easier to just hand him over as he doesn't have the opportunity to fight extradition if there is no warrant and no formal extradition.  They are just sending him back to where he came from or entered their country from.  He doesn't have any option to fight it this way.
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« Reply #1249 on: June 04, 2010, 01:22:22 AM »

This is a really good interview:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Exclusive-interview-Jug-Twitty/Vp7af3v-ykaT6VJjG9tGxQ.cspx

Exclusive interview with Jug Twitty – CBS 42

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« Reply #1250 on: June 04, 2010, 01:22:45 AM »

I didn't mean that there is no warrant as I believe we saw today that it is 21 pages long.  Just that it was not served on Chile as part of handing him over.  This way, there are no additional court proceedings.  He is basically just being deported back to Peru where he will be served with the warrant, probably when they take him into custody.
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« Reply #1251 on: June 04, 2010, 01:25:34 AM »

http://www.livinginperu.com/news-12362-breaking-news-chile-decides-expel-joran-van-der-sloot-peru-prepares-arrest-him
Chile decides to expel Joran van der Sloot, Peru prepares to arrest him
June 3, 2010

The Chilean government has decided to expel Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot, who is accused in Peru of murdering Stephany Flores (21), reports Radio Cooperativa Chile.

Van der Sloot, who is also related to the disappearance of US citizen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, will leave at 8:00 a.m. and will be sent by plane to Arica,.

Once in Arica, he will be moved to the border with Peru, where he will arrested by Peru police, reports Chilean daily La Tercera.


The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Peru expressed that the Dutch citizen will be arrested as soon as he enters Peru.

Van der Sloot, who entered Chile on May 31, was captured  this morning in Santiago, while he was heading to Viña del Mar.

His Peruvian victim, Stephany Flores, was found dead in a hotel room last Wednesday.

Thanks, Muffy.  For some reason I feel a little better knowing there is a timetable for this.  That it's not all unclear and still up in the air.  I understand that no warrant makes it much easier to just hand him over as he doesn't have the opportunity to fight extradition if there is no warrant and no formal extradition.  They are just sending him back to where he came from or entered their country from.  He doesn't have any option to fight it this way.

Excellent. I like Peru and Chile so far.
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« Reply #1252 on: June 04, 2010, 01:27:02 AM »

I didn't mean that there is no warrant as I believe we saw today that it is 21 pages long.  Just that it was not served on Chile as part of handing him over.  This way, there are no additional court proceedings.  He is basically just being deported back to Peru where he will be served with the warrant, probably when they take him into custody.

I hope they take pictures.
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« Reply #1253 on: June 04, 2010, 01:28:26 AM »

Good morning folks.

Just in Dutch NOS journaal (as well):

Joran van der Scum is going to be expelled from Chile TODAY!!!

Can't wait to see those images!!! I hope they make a big show of it!!!

YES!!!
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« Reply #1254 on: June 04, 2010, 01:28:39 AM »

I didn't mean that there is no warrant as I believe we saw today that it is 21 pages long.  Just that it was not served on Chile as part of handing him over.  This way, there are no additional court proceedings.  He is basically just being deported back to Peru where he will be served with the warrant, probably when they take him into custody.

I hope they take pictures.

Pictures would be great!
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« Reply #1255 on: June 04, 2010, 01:31:49 AM »

I didn't mean that there is no warrant as I believe we saw today that it is 21 pages long.  Just that it was not served on Chile as part of handing him over.  This way, there are no additional court proceedings.  He is basically just being deported back to Peru where he will be served with the warrant, probably when they take him into custody.

Yes Anna, I think you are correct
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« Reply #1256 on: June 04, 2010, 01:32:52 AM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9110933

Aruba disappearance suspect held in Peru killing
 
AP foreign, Friday June 4 2010
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Associated Press Writers= LIMA, Peru (AP) — He was the last person to see two young women alive — one in Aruba, one in Peru exactly five years later, police say. Joran van der Sloot was caught in a taxi Thursday, several days drive and a country away from the Lima hotel room where the second woman was found face down with a broken neck.

A fixture on TV true-crime shows after Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, the 22-year-old Dutchman did not speak or even turn his head when photographers shouted his name as Chilean police escorted him, without handcuffs, into a Santiago office for questioning.

Aruban authorities didn't prosecute van der Sloot even after he was caught on video saying he had asked a friend to dump Holloway's body. The Alabama woman's family was outraged by how Aruban authorities handled the case, and now the family of another young woman wants justice.

"This isn't a coincidence, this murder," Stephany Flores' anguished father, Lima entertainment impresario Ricardo Flores, told reporters after van der Sloot's arrest.

Van der Sloot was arrested the same day he was charged in Alabama with trying to extort $250,000 in return for giving the location of Holloway's body and describing the circumstances of Holloway's death. Federal prosecutors did not say who was allegedly extorted but filed a sworn statement saying that van der Sloot got a partial payment of $15,000 wired to a Netherlands bank.

Stephany Flores' neck was broken Sunday in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot, who police believe met the 21-year-old University of Lima business student for the first time the previous night at a nearby casino. Her body was found by a maid late Tuesday.

Flores, a 48-year-old former race car driver and sometime politician, buried his daughter on Thursday in the upscale Jardines de la Paz cemetery accompanied by about 100 mourners. His inconsolable wife, Maria Elena Ramirez, held the slain girl's Minnie Mouse doll to her chest.

The father called on authorities to immediately bring van der Sloot to Peru to face justice.

"It's not just about my daughter," he said. "There's a matter pending in Aruba and we don't know how many more remain unpunished."

Late Thursday, a Chilean police spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with department policy, said van der Sloot would be flown to the Peruvian border Friday morning.

Stephany Flores was fully clothed and there were no signs she had been sexually abused, the chief of Peru's criminal police, Gen. Cesar Guardia, told The Associated Press.

"The room was a complete mess," he said in an interview. He added that no potential murder weapon was found, indicating the killer may have used his bare hands.

"It's probable they had drunken alcohol," said Guardia. No alcohol was found in Flores' blood, he said, but he added that it could have dissipated in the more than two days it took to find her body.

Guardia added that police are investigating why it took until Tuesday night for hotel staff to discover the body.

Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old who was celebrating her high school graduation on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba when she disappeared May 30, 2005. He told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. That's the last anyone saw of her. Van der Sloot was twice arrested in her disappearance — and twice released for insufficient evidence.

"If they have enough proof that he committed the crime in Peru, maybe, just maybe that might help to get him to confess in Natalee's case. It just might crack him," a Holloway family lawyer, Vinda de Souza, told the AP.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth, issued a statement saying she "extends her deepest sympathy" to the Flores family "and prays for swift and sure justice." Holloway's family has blamed Aruban authorities' inaction on the influence of van der Sloot's father, a judge there who died in February.

Van der Sloot put up no resistance when he was detained Thursday about halfway to the Pacific coast from Santiago, said deputy Chilean investigative police spokesman Fernando Ovalle. When brought in for questioning in Santiago, he was unshaven with closely cropped hair, khaki pants, and a gray hooded sweat shirt.

Ovalle said it was likely van der Sloot would be expelled to Peru. Peruvian authorities issued an arrest warrant for him through Interpol after learning van der Sloot had crossed into northern Chile on Monday.

Van der Sloot checked into the room where Flores' body was found May 14 after arriving on a flight from Colombia, Guardia said. He was in Peru for a poker tournament and it appears he and Flores met Saturday evening at Atlantic City, the Lima casino hosting the tourney, Guardia said.

The police chief said Flores was killed between 5 a.m. Sunday, when the victim and suspect were seen entering his room by a hotel employee, and about 8:45 a.m., when he said two people saw van der Sloot leave.

"Various things aren't very clear," Guardia said, among them the killer's motive.

It certainly wasn't money, he said. Van der Sloot had no problem paying for his escape to Chile.

He gave a truck driver 1,500 Peruvian soles ($525) to take him from Ica, a town south of Lima, to the Chilean border, the driver, Luis Aparcana, said in a TV interview. He said van der Sloot didn't speak Spanish very well and carried two suitcases.

Aparcana said van der Sloot "was worried because he kept smoking cigarettes. He didn't have a cell phone but he had a laptop that he would take out, handle and then put back."

Lawyers for van der Sloot did not immediately comment. On Wednesday, a lawyer in New York who has represented him, Joe Tacopina, cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

A former FBI agent who investigated the Holloway disappearance for the missing girl's family, Harold Copus, told the AP that while van der Sloot's behavior in Peru followed "a pattern of him gambling and hooking up with girls" he was surprised at the violence of Flores' death.

"Violence was never something that came into his character," he said.

The Holloway case has followed many twists and turns.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach from being drunk. He said he believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea. Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

The reporter, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that he had documented van der Sloot recruiting Thai women in Bankgok for sex work in the Netherlands.

Aruba's attorney general, Taco Stein, said Thursday that the island would offer assistance to investigators in Peru when van der Sloot arrives there.

He said van der Sloot remains the only suspect in the Holloway case. "There is always hope," he said.

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Associated Press writers Eva Vergara in Santiago, Chile, Carla Salazar in Lima, Kendall Weaver in Montgomery, Alabama, Mike Warren in Buenos Aires and Michael Melia in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.
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« Reply #1257 on: June 04, 2010, 01:35:43 AM »

WOW just WOW   on this US Atty conference announcing charges from MAY 10th - regardling Natalee's case no less

NOW Im more convinced than ever that Stephany's murder is correlated due to the date being five years later

Wow, just wow!  This is so bad.  Yes, the murder on May 30th was a "statement".  Pure arrogance.  Rage. Didn't take rage to just get the $5,000 from Stephany.

He defaulted to all his tried and true tactics (we've done it over 20 times before) and added a little "happy anniversary" twist.  Beyond hinky and into totally crazy!!

Couldn't be happy he got $15,000.

 

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« Reply #1258 on: June 04, 2010, 01:36:05 AM »

Good morning folks.

Just in Dutch NOS journaal (as well):

Joran van der Scum is going to be expelled from Chile TODAY!!!

Can't wait to see those images!!! I hope they make a big show of it!!!

YES!!!

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1259 on: June 04, 2010, 01:36:45 AM »

KALPOES,AMERICAN TRAITORS,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS...

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