Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning Monks!  A HUGE thanks to all of you who were up most of the night posting information.

Some thoughts:

I broke a promise to myself and watched NG last night....she makes me so angry and she didn't fail to last night.....the brother of Stephany was IMO still traumatized...my GOD they had just buried his sister and she is wanting more of the gory details....wasn't it enough for her when he said she was so badly beaten she was almost unreconizable, one eye was gone.....and after a break she wanted  him to give more gory details!!!  I am so glad he was told her he didn't want to talk about it....for the love of st. pete.....she is a vile woman IMO

Does anyone know how it was determined that Stephany and the monster sat in the car for 37 minutes?


the funeral pictures are so sad....I wanted to reach through the computer and hug the mother...and some Monk, sorry, don't remember who, posted a picture of the mother and of Beth (when Beth was near collaspe).....these pictures should be in every newpaper and on every TV in the world!!

texasmom - get well quickly please

Greta - gggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  she now wants to blame Stephany's murder on our FBI?  WTF is wrong with her!!

Aruba offers help to Peru?  I'd love to slap that island off the face of the earth......they had several opportunities to put the monster away....they let him go to brutalize and murder another young woman...the need to change the slogan to one BLOODY ISLAND!!

Anita is shocked??  SHE KNEW HER SON MURDERED NATALEE!  Nothing he does should shock her.

Thanks for the picture of the monster in cuff...I hope someone beat the crap outta him when the got him on Peruvian soil.

Jug's interview was a pleasure to watch.  His love for Natalee and Beth are worn like a coat of arm across his chest.

[Bearlyhere]

He was in hand cuffs he looks sad today I took this picture from the TV

He looks like he might need a change of underwear!

[Puzzler]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489617/joran-van-der-sloot-trasladado-frontera-peru

video...Joran in slow-motion...walking with police and adorned with handcuffs, and a reporter with a microphone stuck in Joran's face
tee hee

[klaasend]

I think we should work on renaming Jan Brennans noevidenceofacrime.com book

1.  noevidenceofabrain.com
2.  yesthereisevidence.com
3.  medleyrelayisafool.com
4.  itssuckstobescrux.com

[wingnut]

Oh my.  Her daddy, on the left, he is NOT going to let this go.  I can see it in his demeanor/stance.  It is almost as if he is looking directly at Joran, letting him know that Joran will pay dearly for this.  I think his reach is very long. 

[Bearlyhere]

Good Morning Monks!  A HUGE thanks to all of you who were up most of the night posting information.

Some thoughts:

I broke a promise to myself and watched NG last night....she makes me so angry and she didn't fail to last night.....the brother of Stephany was IMO still traumatized...my GOD they had just buried his sister and she is wanting more of the gory details....wasn't it enough for her when he said she was so badly beaten she was almost unreconizable, one eye was gone.....and after a break she wanted  him to give more gory details!!!  I am so glad he was told her he didn't want to talk about it....for the love of st. pete.....she is a vile woman IMO

Does anyone know how it was determined that Stephany and the monster sat in the car for 37 minutes?


the funeral pictures are so sad....I wanted to reach through the computer and hug the mother...and some Monk, sorry, don't remember who, posted a picture of the mother and of Beth (when Beth was near collaspe).....these pictures should be in every newpaper and on every TV in the world!!

texasmom - get well quickly please

Greta - gggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  she now wants to blame Stephany's murder on our FBI?  WTF is wrong with her!!

Aruba offers help to Peru?  I'd love to slap that island off the face of the earth......they had several opportunities to put the monster away....they let him go to brutalize and murder another young woman...the need to change the slogan to one BLOODY ISLAND!!

Anita is shocked??  SHE KNEW HER SON MURDERED NATALEE!  Nothing he does should shock her.

Thanks for the picture of the monster in cuff...I hope someone beat the crap outta him when the got him on Peruvian soil.

Jug's interview was a pleasure to watch.  His love for Natalee and Beth are worn like a coat of arm across his chest.

Good morning!  We were keeping the vigil with Nat and Stephany (or they were keeping it with us).

I am the "some monk." 

Good to see you!

[Lifesong]

On the undercurrent that Beth unwittingly enabled this murder to happen by financing Joran's trip to Peru, I have this to say:

Joran, of course, set all this in motion by murdering Natalee. That's a given and a fact that MANY in Aruban authority not only knew, but worked tirelessly to hide. They chose to protect, cover for, and release to freedom, a murderer. They knowingly made that choice. They disregarded the life of a young women so full of promise and they knowingly decided that her life was not worth the well being of a murderer. They did that directly, but it does not stop there. At the point when the decision was made to salvage Joran from his crime, they also made the decision that Stephany's life wasn't worth Joran's well being either. They are directly responsible for Stephany's death. If any doubt exists about that, I suggest they cue up the DeVries video and watch it again. Even at that late juncture they had a chance to rethink their decision. They had a second chance to do the right thing, and once again, they chose to let a known murderer go about freely.

Beth was presented an opportunity to protect the Stephany's of the world from her daughter's murderer, and she rose to the call. She chose to try to protect Stephany and Barbara and Susan and Debbie and all of the potential victims from a known murderer. Beth had the strength and conviction of truth and the wisdom of what is right and she waded into the mud and slime left by Aruban authorities, to try to prevent what happened.

Beth has no blood to wash from her being. Aruba is swimming in it.

Beth is not to blame. Beth is a hero.

I'm sooo far behind this morning, but I had to cheer this post!

Well said, CBB!!

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Also.....HOTPING!!  ((((Hotping))))  So good to see you back, you've surely been missed!

[klaasend]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489617/joran-van-der-sloot-trasladado-frontera-peru

video...Joran in slow-motion...walking with police and adorned with handcuffs, and a reporter with a microphone stuck in Joran's face
tee hee

[Blonde]

Glenda Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:13 pm       

Stephany was not stabbed
Our information is that Joran and Stephany arrived at the hotel on Sunday at 4:20 am and Joran left alone at 8:20 am. Stephany was found at 10 PM on Tuesday night and an autopsy was done early this morning (Wednesday).

We don't know when she was reported missing if at all. As it was a hotel worker who discovered Stephany in facedown in bed with no sign of life. There were no stab wounds or blood.
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Glenda Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:42 pm

We spoke to the authorities in Peru. AP just updated the article... Stephany Flores' body was found face down on the hotel room floor on Wednesday, abrasions on her face and body, and signs of trauma, the police general said. He said she was clothed.
Asked if she had been asphyxiated, Guardia said he was awaiting autopsy results for the exact cause of death.
The killing occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.

Prosecutors Office in Peru

Lima (051) 426 - 4620 / 428-0969 / 427-6500

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Glenda Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:53 pm

Well, since there are no multiple stab wounds, therefore the only "incriminating evidence" I heard in Spanish, English and Dutch was that Joran was on tape leaving the casino with Stephany, that Joran was seen by witnesses with Stephany entering the hotel, and then leaving the hotel 4 hours later alone. And then Stephany's body was found by a maid after 52 hours later after Joran left her. Sorry if I have the time line wrong, but I don't think so.
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From you know where...

[terryd270]

TGIF and like they say "When it rains it pours" and it seems that Joran is in for a lot of rain.. I never thought we would see this day, at least not from the Dutch or Aruba running the show.. I think he will have fun in his new home, no windows to spto the frigid mountain winds, beds are concrete and cells have no lights..Prisoners get only a half hour a day in the courtyard. It is the only time they feel the warmth of the sun, no tennis or poker games..Prisoners are allowed no metal in the cells, no radios and no newspapers or magazines.  Yes I do believe he will have plenty of time to make friends with the rats and other insects that he will share his new life with..Everyone have a good day!! Too bad some of us that followed this case have left the room but I'm sure they know that Joran is now on his way to his own nightmare..

td

[Tamikosmom]

I don't take it that way at all. I think Greta is blaming the FBI for not acting sooner on this extortion... she is not saying Beth is to blame. Greta has always supported Beth and Dave... she would never imply that Beth was at fault for what happened in Peru. JMO.
 

I agree.

Somehow ... I believe the FBI would have acted sooner in regards to the extortion investigation but Joran left the Netherlands.  Could Joran have gotten a heads-up from the Dutch ... the Dutch who along with the Aruban have been protecting Joran from the getgo.

Janet

+++++

On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ….. it has to be.


Federal charges in Alabama will await van der Sloot, if he is not charged in murder case in Peru
June 03, 2010, 8:22PM

Aruban authorities were helpful to the FBI in its extortion investigation, Vance said.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/federal_charges_in_alabama_wil.html

[Ono]

I think we should work on renaming Jan Brennans noevidenceofacrime.com book

1.  noevidenceofabrain.com
2.  yesthereisevidence.com
3.  medleyrelayisafool.com
4.  itssuckstobescrux.com

LOL

[Puzzler]

http://peru21.pe/noticia/489625/van-der-sloot-ya-esta-rumbo-lima

video....Joran in plane...rubbing his eyes...plane pulling away...boy they had him on that plane and 8:00 sharp.  Right at the very end of the video it show Joran getting into the plane...in handcuffs in front

[caesu]

Joran is on his way to the Chile/Peru border.
will arrive in Peru 4pm EST.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1386189.ece/Joran_van_der_Sloot_onderweg_naar_Peru

[caesu]

[caesu]

[Blonde]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489617/joran-van-der-sloot-trasladado-frontera-peru

video...Joran in slow-motion...walking with police and adorned with handcuffs, and a reporter with a microphone stuck in Joran's face
tee hee

[wingnut]

Does it take 7 hours to fly from Chile to Peru?  He was loaded into a plane roughly one hour ago, 9:00am EST.

[Cappuccino]

OMG  Greta is still on this morning Foxnews blaming the FBI for not moving quicker (in addition to Aruba).    Look, they got the SOB on these charges & there has to be a legitimate reason why they waited.   There is no reason on earth to assume that this monster would have killed again in one day, one week, one month or a year, sorry Greta this is ridiculous.   The FBI not getting him in custody on economic charges in the states is a far cry from what Aruba and the Dutch government did regarding Natalee's disappearance/murder.

That is my opinion & Im sticking to it.

[Puzzler]

Hi Puzzler,

I think the Bubali puddle is the Bubali pond at Aruba.

Have you read the other recent article on his blog? http://tinyurl.com/252xffh

EURobert...thank you.  Yes, I did read that very interesting article.  It's the one that I said I thought I was probably reading something very important but I didn't have enough knowledge to know what the importance is. 

I realize US requested impound of this man's equipment and this man was in contact with Joran...but...what else of importance am I missing, please?  Thank you.