Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[Agraria]

I don't know if this was already mentioned in the other thread, but... better twice than not at all.

Weblog of the infamous Terror Jaap Amesz, google translation with some adjustments.

Dear readers of my blog,

Coverage in the Telegraaf is wrong. My name is also mentioned. This is my response.

With shock I learned of the death of Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez in Peru. As a broken man I write these words now because I feel very guilty that I did not previously succeed in convincing Joran to take his sentence and to undergo heavy therapy. Another victim, terrible.

The worst thing is, that this could have been avoided if the elite had seriously listened and had conducted more research. I could write a book about it, but for now I leave it at this.

Last year I worked with one of Joran's best confidants to get Joran back on track. We have taken numerous initiatives to convince Joran to undergo his sentence and undergo intensive therapy for both the world to get rid of all the uncertainty in the Holloway case and Joran so he could pick up his life after doing his sentence.

Last time I spoke to Joran was last week. But Joran's friend spoke to him very recently. Here is what he has to say:

"Until just before May 30, I was still in contact with Joran. He was in Peru, which was known. Aruba became too much for him, the relationship with his mother deteriorated, he had gambled away money again. This initiated his flight to Peru. Right before the weekend it was clear that Joran is in financial distress, he was quite confused. Driven by hunger, fear he might not be able to pay for his hotel. He desperately needed money, I had never seen Joran so badly frustrated.

He asked me several times to send money, and was (own words) very agressive and quite depressed. He wanted small amounts (to eat), and was quite angry when I refused to send any money. He actually said he was about to do crazy stuff, because nobody wanted to help.

It is an accumulation of frustration, for that moment (the lack of money in a distant, foreign country), but also for his entire life. It all became too much to him.
I can say, the quarrel and argument with the girl was probably about money. His priority at that time was nothing like sex, and he was irritated by the fact that nobody wanted to give him anything.
Afterwards, I had spoken to him, he said "to have done something bad." He didn't mention what he had done, but he was pretty panicked.

It is still a mystery how he got this money to leave the country (perhaps she had something in his pocket). Based on my experience (and the contact prior to the weekend), I have my suspicions. But I watch everything, because nothing is certain "

In the weeks before the murder everything went downhill for Joran. After the death of his father he stayed in Aruba again. Joran had new plans for the future. He was in therapy and wanted to do a social study program get his life back to normal. A week after he would have started this study this happened .....

A deeply tragic event in a deeply tragic complication of many factors.

May both girls rest in peace.

Jaap Amesz

WOW

Apparently, Jaap's weblog caught someone else's attention too...OOPS...does this mean "someone" is focused on evidence concerning Joran's criminal activity(and the elite) OR focused on making it disappear?  HMMMmmmm

Dutch police raid home of Joran interviewer

Published on 4 June 2010 - 12:09pm

Police in the Netherlands have raided the home of freelance reporter Jaap Amesz, who claims to possess detailed knowledge about Joran van der Sloot's criminal activities.

Mr Amesz, also known by his nickname Terror Jaap, earlier this year interviewed murder suspect Van der Sloot, having hooked him up to a lie detector. Gelderland police have confirmed that the raid was carried out at the request of US Justice authorities, who are investigating extortion charges brought against Joran van der Sloot by relatives of Natalee Holloway.

Data confiscated
Police officers took computers, mobile phones and other data carriers from the reporter's home.
According to Mr Amesz on his website, police confiscated a USB stick containing data about Joran van der Sloot's criminal activities collected in the past two years.

Police say that in a related action, a home in the southern province of Limburg was also searched. Mr Amesz is referring on his website to his unnamed contact X, possibly the owner of the Limburg home, having been asked to make a statement to police.

Reality show
Mr Amesz managed to gain Van der Sloot's confidence and interviewed him in February 2010 in the German city of Düsseldorf. The interviewer claims that Joran van der Sloot made a full confession, detailing what happened to US teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared without trace.

The reporter acquired his nickname Terror Jaap when he was an actor on The Golden Cage reality show, where he terrorised his fellow inmates. Joran van der Sloot was a fan of the show, which made it easy for Mr Amesz to become acquainted with him.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-police-raids-home-joran-interviewer
 
Moving this post in Articles Only thread to Natalee Holloway #833

[wingnut]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Cappuccino]

Welcome to the rest of your life Joran, enjoy the mush & snithole!

[sharon]

They showed Joran in handcuffs, first being placed in a police car, and then showed them putting him into a small plane to be flown back to Peru.  It is starting to feel real.

S M O O C H E S  <3

[sharon]

Joran tried to extort Beth.
Wanted $250,000 but settled for $15,000 downpayment.
FBI had goods on Joran for a while.
Had FBI arrested Joran at that time he would not have been in Peru.

The FBI wasbuilding a case against him.  I am sure they never figured he would go to this extreme......

IMO

This in on ARUBA. If they didn't tell Joran to get out of Aruba he wouldn't have left so fast to go to Peru.

IMO this is on Aruba because they didn't put the sporter in jail where he belongs.

NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF ARUBA DID THE RIGHT THING

[klaasend]

TGIF and like they say "When it rains it pours" and it seems that Joran is in for a lot of rain.. I never thought we would see this day, at least not from the Dutch or Aruba running the show.. I think he will have fun in his new home, no windows to spto the frigid mountain winds, beds are concrete and cells have no lights..Prisoners get only a half hour a day in the courtyard. It is the only time they feel the warmth of the sun, no tennis or poker games..Prisoners are allowed no metal in the cells, no radios and no newspapers or magazines.  Yes I do believe he will have plenty of time to make friends with the rats and other insects that he will share his new life with..Everyone have a good day!! Too bad some of us that followed this case have left the room but I'm sure they know that Joran is now on his way to his own nightmare..

td

Good to see you TerryD

[Lifesong]

This is a really good interview:

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Exclusive-interview-Jug-Twitty/Vp7af3v-ykaT6VJjG9tGxQ.cspx

Exclusive interview with Jug Twitty – CBS 42

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Really good indeed!!!

Bumping this forward for any that may have missed it.

[sharon]

TGIF and like they say "When it rains it pours" and it seems that Joran is in for a lot of rain.. I never thought we would see this day, at least not from the Dutch or Aruba running the show.. I think he will have fun in his new home, no windows to spto the frigid mountain winds, beds are concrete and cells have no lights..Prisoners get only a half hour a day in the courtyard. It is the only time they feel the warmth of the sun, no tennis or poker games..Prisoners are allowed no metal in the cells, no radios and no newspapers or magazines.  Yes I do believe he will have plenty of time to make friends with the rats and other insects that he will share his new life with..Everyone have a good day!! Too bad some of us that followed this case have left the room but I'm sure they know that Joran is now on his way to his own nightmare..

td

VERY good to see you terryd!

[Ono]

OMG  Greta is still on this morning Foxnews blaming the FBI for not moving quicker (in addition to Aruba).    Look, they got the SOB on these charges & there has to be a legitimate reason why they waited.   There is no reason on earth to assume that this monster would have killed again in one day, one week, one month or a year, sorry Greta this is ridiculous.   The FBI not getting him in custody on economic charges in the states is a far cry from what Aruba and the Dutch government did regarding Natalee's disappearance/murder.

That is my opinion & Im sticking to it.

Haven't had FOX on yet ... I'm beginning to wonder if she has a screw loose. 

[Bearlyhere]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489617/joran-van-der-sloot-trasladado-frontera-peru

video...Joran in slow-motion...walking with police and adorned with handcuffs, and a reporter with a microphone stuck in Joran's face
tee hee

It was never about sex, those 20 times or with Natalee, it was about power.  It was about forcing someone to do something they did not want to do.  These women were not women to him, they were faceless, nameless and they meant nothing to him.  They were someone's sister, daughter, friend, granddaughter,  but to him, they were nothing and nobody.  He will never get it, his Mom will never get it.  She will always think the girls/women thought he was as delicious and irresistible as she herself found him.

Then the game got boring and he had to up it and Natalee died, and he was arrogantly getting away with it.  Once Joe Tacopina came aboard, it entered a different realm, the realm of the criminal minded world.  He sold girls into prostitution, according to PdV.  He thought he was a big gangsta, well, he doesn't look so big now.  His arrest just proves he was not the mastermind in the cover up.  In order to blend in with a sea of people with dark hair, he dies his hair red.  He stuck out like a sore thumb, like his hair was on fire.  He had help in Aruba, if you didn't believe it then, believe it now.

I feel relieved to see him in cuffs, so he will not hurt anyone else, although I fear he will hurt someone in prison, it's like it's own world there.  I also feel very sad.  Locking him up does not bring Natalee back, or Stephany, or the other 20 or so others, or the girls sold into horror.

Anita, he was safer in prison on Aruba, you should have let him do his time instead of helping to cover up a crime he committed, the murder of a beautiful woman, full of life and potential.  I fear her murder was a stepping stone to the next brutal murder.  Anita, his blood is also on your hands.  He could have been locked up on Aruba, it was your choice to let him off.  You could have stopped it at any time.  How does it feel to have helped in creating what you see now by your actions?  He is not safe, he is now the prey, it was your call. 

[MsVada]

He looks like crap! 

This is the face of a psycho murderer!

[terryd270]

Joran I think at night and since you won't know when that is since its going to be dark all the time, the other imates will descend upon you and beat you for their pleasure. That sound you hear is the snapping, crackling, and popping of your  hands..You have killed two beautiful girls and one of those girls will have friends inside that will make sure you get whats coming to you.. So you should fear all of them. So know that someone will be waiting for you..  I don't see you smiling anymore and I do believe your life is over with..

[wingnut]

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if there is any clothes, any bloodstained clothes or anything at all in his possession?

VAN DER HORST: No. When he out of the car he was clean as a whistle. He didn't have anything on him. He was very calm and no sign of any material like that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,593983,00.html


WHERE ARE THE SUITCASE AND BACKPACK THAT HE REPORTEDLY HAD WHEN HE LEFT THE HOTEL?

[klaasend]

He is a dead man walking. 

[EURobert]

Hi Puzzler,

I think the Bubali puddle is the Bubali pond at Aruba.

Have you read the other recent article on his blog? http://tinyurl.com/252xffh

EURobert...thank you.  Yes, I did read that very interesting article.  It's the one that I said I thought I was probably reading something very important but I didn't have enough knowledge to know what the importance is. 

I realize US requested impound of this man's equipment and this man was in contact with Joran...but...what else of importance am I missing, please?  Thank you.

Terror Jaap and JvdS have become friends some two years ago. Terror Jaap financially supported JvdS in harsh times. In return JvdS agreed to make a video of him at the lie-detector interviewed about the NH case which aired earlier this year.

I think the FBI wants all the footage that was shot then. All the contact-transcripts between them (email a.s.o.) and all the other info Terror Jaap has. One thing that came out of the lie-detector session was that NH was dumped in the Bubali Pond.
But for the rest of the possibly important info you should ask the other posters: they know much more about everything that happened at Aruba.

[Bearlyhere]

What a difference a day makes!

[Puzzler]

Good Morning Monks!  A HUGE thanks to all of you who were up most of the night posting information.

Some thoughts:

I broke a promise to myself and watched NG last night....she makes me so angry and she didn't fail to last night.....the brother of Stephany was IMO still traumatized...my GOD they had just buried his sister and she is wanting more of the gory details....wasn't it enough for her when he said she was so badly beaten she was almost unreconizable, one eye was gone.....and after a break she wanted  him to give more gory details!!!  I am so glad he was told her he didn't want to talk about it....for the love of st. pete.....she is a vile woman IMO

Does anyone know how it was determined that Stephany and the monster sat in the car for 37 minutes?


the funeral pictures are so sad....I wanted to reach through the computer and hug the mother...and some Monk, sorry, don't remember who, posted a picture of the mother and of Beth (when Beth was near collaspe).....these pictures should be in every newpaper and on every TV in the world!!

texasmom - get well quickly please

Greta - gggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  she now wants to blame Stephany's murder on our FBI?  WTF is wrong with her!!

Aruba offers help to Peru?  I'd love to slap that island off the face of the earth......they had several opportunities to put the monster away....they let him go to brutalize and murder another young woman...the need to change the slogan to one BLOODY ISLAND!!

Anita is shocked??  SHE KNEW HER SON MURDERED NATALEE!  Nothing he does should shock her.

Thanks for the picture of the monster in cuff...I hope someone beat the crap outta him when the got him on Peruvian soil.

Jug's interview was a pleasure to watch.  His love for Natalee and Beth are worn like a coat of arm across his chest.

We ought to give Greta a rash of sh*t over blaming the FBI...that really frosted me!

[terryd270]

Its good to see everyone..  I feel great today and need to get back to work but feel that Joran will not fit in well in prison there, no special treatment and I do believe he was a big fish in a small pond in Aruba but not where he is going now.. He is an outsider and I do believe he will draw attention to himself and I don't believe thats a good thing where he is going.. Everyone have a great Friday and I for one will have a nice cold ale to celebrate Karma..

TD

[Bearlyhere]

At least he wore the right shirt, it says 'Keep Your Game Tight' and 'Bionic Booty Alert.'

[msmarple]

First day of the rest of his life ...

GLENDA seems obsessed with "no blood" - must be the seed for an "it's all lies" campaign. Like she is in a position to know everything there is to know. Yo, shout out - Peru isn't Aruba, and Peru doesn't give a flip about your tourist rip-off island.