Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[Bearlyhere]

TGIF and like they say "When it rains it pours" and it seems that Joran is in for a lot of rain.. I never thought we would see this day, at least not from the Dutch or Aruba running the show.. I think he will have fun in his new home, no windows to spto the frigid mountain winds, beds are concrete and cells have no lights..Prisoners get only a half hour a day in the courtyard. It is the only time they feel the warmth of the sun, no tennis or poker games..Prisoners are allowed no metal in the cells, no radios and no newspapers or magazines.  Yes I do believe he will have plenty of time to make friends with the rats and other insects that he will share his new life with..Everyone have a good day!! Too bad some of us that followed this case have left the room but I'm sure they know that Joran is now on his way to his own nightmare..

td

Good to see you TerryD

Yes, and how are you feeling?

[Agraria]

Hi Puzzler,

I think the Bubali puddle is the Bubali pond at Aruba.

Have you read the other recent article on his blog? http://tinyurl.com/252xffh

EURobert...thank you.  Yes, I did read that very interesting article.  It's the one that I said I thought I was probably reading something very important but I didn't have enough knowledge to know what the importance is. 

I realize US requested impound of this man's equipment and this man was in contact with Joran...but...what else of importance am I missing, please?  Thank you.

Terror Jaap and JvdS have become friends some two years ago. Terror Jaap financially supported JvdS in harsh times. In return JvdS agreed to make a video of him at the lie-detector interviewed about the NH case which aired earlier this year.

I think the FBI wants all the footage that was shot then. All the contact-transcripts between them (email a.s.o.) and all the other info Terror Jaap has. One thing that came out of the lie-detector session was that NH was dumped in the Bubali Pond.
But for the rest of the possibly important info you should ask the other posters: they know much more about everything that happened at Aruba.

Another interesting development concerning JVS and Terror Jaap this morning...


http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-police-raids-home-joran-interviewer


Dutch police raid home of Joran interviewer

Published on 4 June 2010 - 12:09pm

Police in the Netherlands have raided the home of freelance reporter Jaap Amesz, who claims to possess detailed knowledge about Joran van der Sloot's criminal activities.

Mr Amesz, also known by his nickname Terror Jaap, earlier this year interviewed murder suspect Van der Sloot, having hooked him up to a lie detector. Gelderland police have confirmed that the raid was carried out at the request of US Justice authorities, who are investigating extortion charges brought against Joran van der Sloot by relatives of Natalee Holloway.

Data confiscated
Police officers took computers, mobile phones and other data carriers from the reporter's home.
According to Mr Amesz on his website, police confiscated a USB stick containing data about Joran van der Sloot's criminal activities collected in the past two years.

Police say that in a related action, a home in the southern province of Limburg was also searched. Mr Amesz is referring on his website to his unnamed contact X, possibly the owner of the Limburg home, having been asked to make a statement to police.

Reality show
Mr Amesz managed to gain Van der Sloot's confidence and interviewed him in February 2010 in the German city of Düsseldorf. The interviewer claims that Joran van der Sloot made a full confession, detailing what happened to US teenager Natalee Holloway who disappeared without trace.

The reporter acquired his nickname Terror Jaap when he was an actor on The Golden Cage reality show, where he terrorised his fellow inmates. Joran van der Sloot was a fan of the show, which made it easy for Mr Amesz to become acquainted with him.
 

© Radio Netherlands Worldwide

[mymonkey]

He is a dead man walking. 

Read the writing on his sweat shirt...something about booty call...can someone make out what it is?

[wingnut]

Video of the murderer boarding the plane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RDO6KPkCSw&feature=channel

[Puzzler]

Whoooeee...Joran looks bad....can't decide if his face is all puffy because he didn't get any sleep or because he's been boo-hooing or both! 

[mymonkey]

He is a dead man walking. 

Read the writing on his sweat shirt...something about booty call...can someone make out what it is?

sorry...it has "booty alert" hope he wears this shirt in prison.

[Ono]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489617/joran-van-der-sloot-trasladado-frontera-peru

video...Joran in slow-motion...walking with police and adorned with handcuffs, and a reporter with a microphone stuck in Joran's face
tee hee

It was never about sex, those 20 times or with Natalee, it was about power.  It was about forcing someone to do something they did not want to do.  These women were not women to him, they were faceless, nameless and they meant nothing to him.  They were someone's sister, daughter, friend, granddaughter,  but to him, they were nothing and nobody.  He will never get it, his Mom will never get it.  She will always think the girls/women thought he was as delicious and irresistible as she herself found him.

Then the game got boring and he had to up it and Natalee died, and he was arrogantly getting away with it.  Once Joe Tacopina came aboard, it entered a different realm, the realm of the criminal minded world.  He sold girls into prostitution, according to PdV.  He thought he was a big gangsta, well, he doesn't look so big now.  His arrest just proves he was not the mastermind in the cover up.  In order to blend in with a sea of people with dark hair, he dies his hair red.  He stuck out like a sore thumb, like his hair was on fire.  He had help in Aruba, if you didn't believe it then, believe it now.

I feel relieved to see him in cuffs, so he will not hurt anyone else, although I fear he will hurt someone in prison, it's like it's own world there.  I also feel very sad.  Locking him up does not bring Natalee back, or Stephany, or the other 20 or so others, or the girls sold into horror.

Anita, he was safer in prison on Aruba, you should have let him do his time instead of helping to cover up a crime he committed, the murder of a beautiful woman, full of life and potential.  I fear her murder was a stepping stone to the next brutal murder.  Anita, his blood is also on your hands.  He could have been locked up on Aruba, it was your choice to let him off.  You could have stopped it at any time.  How does it feel to have helped in creating what you see now by your actions?  He is not safe, he is now the prey, it was your call. 

Very good post, Bearly ...

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning Monks!  A HUGE thanks to all of you who were up most of the night posting information.

Some thoughts:

I broke a promise to myself and watched NG last night....she makes me so angry and she didn't fail to last night.....the brother of Stephany was IMO still traumatized...my GOD they had just buried his sister and she is wanting more of the gory details....wasn't it enough for her when he said she was so badly beaten she was almost unreconizable, one eye was gone.....and after a break she wanted  him to give more gory details!!!  I am so glad he was told her he didn't want to talk about it....for the love of st. pete.....she is a vile woman IMO

Does anyone know how it was determined that Stephany and the monster sat in the car for 37 minutes?


the funeral pictures are so sad....I wanted to reach through the computer and hug the mother...and some Monk, sorry, don't remember who, posted a picture of the mother and of Beth (when Beth was near collaspe).....these pictures should be in every newpaper and on every TV in the world!!

texasmom - get well quickly please

Greta - gggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  she now wants to blame Stephany's murder on our FBI?  WTF is wrong with her!!

Aruba offers help to Peru?  I'd love to slap that island off the face of the earth......they had several opportunities to put the monster away....they let him go to brutalize and murder another young woman...the need to change the slogan to one BLOODY ISLAND!!

Anita is shocked??  SHE KNEW HER SON MURDERED NATALEE!  Nothing he does should shock her.

Thanks for the picture of the monster in cuff...I hope someone beat the crap outta him when the got him on Peruvian soil.

Jug's interview was a pleasure to watch.  His love for Natalee and Beth are worn like a coat of arm across his chest.

Good morning!  We were keeping the vigil with Nat and Stephany (or they were keeping it with us).

I am the "some monk." 

Good to see you!

dear 'some' thanks so much.....that picture of Beth haunts me.....she is the poster child for strength.....until I see that picture.........then her pain and vulnerability smacks me in the face

[2NJSons_Mom]

TGIF and like they say "When it rains it pours" and it seems that Joran is in for a lot of rain.. I never thought we would see this day, at least not from the Dutch or Aruba running the show.. I think he will have fun in his new home, no windows to spto the frigid mountain winds, beds are concrete and cells have no lights..Prisoners get only a half hour a day in the courtyard. It is the only time they feel the warmth of the sun, no tennis or poker games..Prisoners are allowed no metal in the cells, no radios and no newspapers or magazines.  Yes I do believe he will have plenty of time to make friends with the rats and other insects that he will share his new life with..Everyone have a good day!! Too bad some of us that followed this case have left the room but I'm sure they know that Joran is now on his way to his own nightmare..

td

Terryd!!!!   So good to see you and hope you are doing great.

[SunnyinTX]

Oh my.  Her daddy, on the left, he is NOT going to let this go.  I can see it in his demeanor/stance.  It is almost as if he is looking directly at Joran, letting him know that Joran will pay dearly for this.  I think his reach is very long. 

thanks wing....I agree.....he stands there so strong, yet quietly planning.....JMO of course 

[2NJSons_Mom]

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if there is any clothes, any bloodstained clothes or anything at all in his possession?

VAN DER HORST: No. When he out of the car he was clean as a whistle. He didn't have anything on him. He was very calm and no sign of any material like that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,593983,00.html


WHERE ARE THE SUITCASE AND BACKPACK THAT HE REPORTEDLY HAD WHEN HE LEFT THE HOTEL?

I had the same thought when I watched Greta last night.   

[EURobert]

I was thinking today in reaction to a post of Dave Holloway on the SM FP/blog. He said he maybe wanted to visit Joran in his new 'home' (my words) in Peru. Maybe for answers, or maybe even to forgive him, I don't know.

But I'm afraid that Jurine wont provide the most important answer: where the remains of Natalee are.
But maybe in the coming years there will or can be a bargain: it could be that when JvdS WILL tell where the remains of Natalee are he can spent the rest of his time in a prison in Aruba or the NLs.

[Ono]

Hi Puzzler,

I think the Bubali puddle is the Bubali pond at Aruba.

Have you read the other recent article on his blog? http://tinyurl.com/252xffh

EURobert...thank you.  Yes, I did read that very interesting article.  It's the one that I said I thought I was probably reading something very important but I didn't have enough knowledge to know what the importance is. 

I realize US requested impound of this man's equipment and this man was in contact with Joran...but...what else of importance am I missing, please?  Thank you.

Terror Jaap and JvdS have become friends some two years ago. Terror Jaap financially supported JvdS in harsh times. In return JvdS agreed to make a video of him at the lie-detector interviewed about the NH case which aired earlier this year.

I think the FBI wants all the footage that was shot then. All the contact-transcripts between them (email a.s.o.) and all the other info Terror Jaap has. One thing that came out of the lie-detector session was that NH was dumped in the Bubali Pond.
But for the rest of the possibly important info you should ask the other posters: they know much more about everything that happened at Aruba.

Thank you for that info as I didn't know who that person was, or his connection.

[jen3560]

Thank you caesu.

Oh, he looks completely miserable.  I'm so happy I can't stand it.  Looks like he had a rough night in that Chilean jail.  I hope he knows he has worse ahead of him, and for many MANY days to come.

[Bearlyhere]

Whoooeee...Joran looks bad....can't decide if his face is all puffy because he didn't get any sleep or because he's been boo-hooing or both! 

Drug withdrawal in addition to scared spitless.

[Puzzler]

Hi Puzzler,

I think the Bubali puddle is the Bubali pond at Aruba.

Have you read the other recent article on his blog? http://tinyurl.com/252xffh

EURobert...thank you.  Yes, I did read that very interesting article.  It's the one that I said I thought I was probably reading something very important but I didn't have enough knowledge to know what the importance is. 

I realize US requested impound of this man's equipment and this man was in contact with Joran...but...what else of importance am I missing, please?  Thank you.

Terror Jaap and JvdS have become friends some two years ago. Terror Jaap financially supported JvdS in harsh times. In return JvdS agreed to make a video of him at the lie-detector interviewed about the NH case which aired earlier this year.

I think the FBI wants all the footage that was shot then. All the contact-transcripts between them (email a.s.o.) and all the other info Terror Jaap has. One thing that came out of the lie-detector session was that NH was dumped in the Bubali Pond.
But for the rest of the possibly important info you should ask the other posters: they know much more about everything that happened at Aruba.

Okay!  Thanks so much...this could really be important.  What I'm please about is that it is requested by U.S. authorities.  I've not previously been happy with the amount of information USA has been able to get on Joran.  I'm thrilled the FBI pulled a sting operation on Joran and now we have an arrest warrant for him for extortion and wire fraud (potential 50 years penalty).  I think Joran will be in prison in Peru for a long time; but, if not, then the U.S. will get him. 

[SunnyinTX]

Glenda Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:13 pm       

Stephany was not stabbed
Our information is that Joran and Stephany arrived at the hotel on Sunday at 4:20 am and Joran left alone at 8:20 am. Stephany was found at 10 PM on Tuesday night and an autopsy was done early this morning (Wednesday).

We don't know when she was reported missing if at all. As it was a hotel worker who discovered Stephany in facedown in bed with no sign of life. There were no stab wounds or blood.
__________________________________________________

Glenda Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:42 pm

We spoke to the authorities in Peru. AP just updated the article... Stephany Flores' body was found face down on the hotel room floor on Wednesday, abrasions on her face and body, and signs of trauma, the police general said. He said she was clothed.
Asked if she had been asphyxiated, Guardia said he was awaiting autopsy results for the exact cause of death.
The killing occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.

Prosecutors Office in Peru

Lima (051) 426 - 4620 / 428-0969 / 427-6500

______________________________________________________________
Glenda Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:53 pm

Well, since there are no multiple stab wounds, therefore the only "incriminating evidence" I heard in Spanish, English and Dutch was that Joran was on tape leaving the casino with Stephany, that Joran was seen by witnesses with Stephany entering the hotel, and then leaving the hotel 4 hours later alone. And then Stephany's body was found by a maid after 52 hours later after Joran left her. Sorry if I have the time line wrong, but I don't think so.
________________________________________________________
From you know where...

thanks Blonde.....that biotch is so full of chit!!  I can't believe they still allow her to post over there. They KNOW she is a liar , a drunk and an islandHO...I was hoping they had gotten a tad smart....but obviously not

[Bearlyhere]

At least he wore the right shirt, it says 'Keep Your Game Tight' and 'Bionic Booty Alert.'

(bump) for mymonkey.

[SunnyinTX]

TGIF and like they say "When it rains it pours" and it seems that Joran is in for a lot of rain.. I never thought we would see this day, at least not from the Dutch or Aruba running the show.. I think he will have fun in his new home, no windows to spto the frigid mountain winds, beds are concrete and cells have no lights..Prisoners get only a half hour a day in the courtyard. It is the only time they feel the warmth of the sun, no tennis or poker games..Prisoners are allowed no metal in the cells, no radios and no newspapers or magazines.  Yes I do believe he will have plenty of time to make friends with the rats and other insects that he will share his new life with..Everyone have a good day!! Too bad some of us that followed this case have left the room but I'm sure they know that Joran is now on his way to his own nightmare..

td

hi terry....it's good to see you....hope you are well

[msmarple]

Hi TerryD - nice to see you, and so many of the posters from back in the day. (Angie911 - waiting for that nakid run! And cigars with Robots!)

Who would have thought it would come to this - and on an ANNIVERSARY date? I don't recall anyone ever posting such a bizarre prediction.

Such irony, so many similarities - but the BIG difference is that this time, it's the victim's home country and influential father.