Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[can]

Good morning Monkeys!

I hope they catch him soon.

Amen!
Good Morning.

[ddex]

Maybe I have missed it...is there reward $$ for finding Urine?

[can]

Maybe I have missed it...is there reward $$ for finding Urine?

Someone asked about this yesterday.  I've seen nothing in any of the reports on it.

[jen3560]

Netherlands kills daughter blows racer

 She was only 21 years, was a university student and daughter of a businessman and former mayoral candidate known racer. In a poker game, a game that was one of her passions, she met a young Dutchman at a casino in Miraflores. They became friends, she accompanied him to the hotel where he was staying and murdered there hitting her face and head, to finally break her neck and rob the $ 5,000 that earned her an Uruguayan playing cards.

Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez died, according to the autopsy, cervical trauma, caused by blunt item. She was the daughter of Ricardo Flores Chipoco, champion of the Inca Trail in 1991.

She met the alleged murderer, identified as Andreas Petrus Van Der Joran Sloot (23), the international poker tournament being held at the casino 'Atlantic City', in the Avenues and Benavides Pardo. On the evening of Saturday 29 May saw the couple playing cards in that local.

http://www.trome.com/tonline/Html/2010-06-02/ontractualidad1092456.html

Oh my God.  I always knew he was depraved.  And I always felt he killed Natalee violently as well.  But with someone as narcissistic as he, I never imagined rape with a foreign object.

[flutter1]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Overview/6An article on Peruvian prison.  Mother VDS will not be happy with her baby's new accommodations.

Also, does anyone know when his reservation was up at the hotel?  I don't think he "checked out" on Sunday but just left. 

[can]

I asked a question yesterday that was not answered.

If Joran is using his laptop - is it possible his whereabouts could be traced?

Any one?

They can track him to a general area such as IP (internet provider) or if he is hitchhiking on somebodies wireless they can trace him that far.

I'm a bit hung up on this.  I hope the authorities are gathering this info.
Even though he is on the run, I can't imagine Joran being silent for long.

[texasmom]

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peruvian-jail-term-likely-joran-if-convicted

[jen3560]

Murderer Dutchman is wanted in Chile
Stephany Flores was found dead in hotel room where he was staying abroad, who fled the Southern country. Police in both countries makes the coordination to catch. Author: ANA BRICEÑO
CompartirEnviar.La last time her parents saw her alive was the last Saturday afternoon. At that time, Stephany Tatiana Ramirez Flores, 21, took his leave saying he would come out with some friends and would return at night, but never returned to his home in Santiago de Surco. At dawn yesterday, was found dead in a hotel room of Miraflores.

Until Tuesday night, his father, Ricardo Flores racer Chipoco, kept the hope that her daughter was alive. Even thought it might be a kidnapping. However, yesterday, at 00:40 of the day, the corpse of Business Administration student was found with multiple blows to the face and body.

"I was in the prone position, thrown on the floor of the bedroom. He had no signs of having been raped. The autopsy showed cervical cranial trauma. That is, was killed with severe blows below the neck and punching, "said an expert from the Homicide Division Dirincri.

In room 309 of the TAC hotel, located in the Republic of Panama Avenue 6160, had a double bed and clothes in disarray, and the mattress was out of place.

FATAL ENCOUNTER. The only suspect in the crime is the Dutchman Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot, 22, who was locked in that room since 14 May when the country came from Colombia, to participate in an international poker tournament.

That Saturday, Stephany joined the Atlantic City casino, in Miraflores. The victim liked to play poker. It was in that place where she met her murderer, but police have not ruled that related days earlier.

"At 5 am on Sunday entered the hotel TAC in the van of the girl and, at 8:45 am, the Dutchman retired with a suitcase. He left the car in Groove "said Gen. Cesar Guardia, head of the Dirincri. A hotel employee was the one who gave notice of the discovery of the body, which was in a state of decomposition. She told police she saw the stranger entering the girl.

Escaped. The Directorate of Migration reported that Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot crossed the border into Chile on Monday 31 May. Ica Some drivers were told that the alien suns S/.1500 paid over to take him to Arica. The Chilean Investigative Police confirmed that the Dutchman is in his country, although there is as no. Interpol also works to stop overseas.

http://peru21.pe/impresa/noticia/asesino-holandes-buscado-chile/2010-06-03/276535

OH!  Ok, please forgive my last post.  That prior article confused me.

[ddex]

Urine is a punk coward.  I hope authorities are keeping close watch on his mother and brothers.  He strikes me as the type to call his mommy crying....  I also think he is too much of a p%ssy to hurt himself (suicide) unless he has a stash of GHB and could OD.  

[wingnut]

Anyone check in on our "friends" at RU???

Yes, been following them most of the day.

For the most part those that were somehow still on the fence fell off and want Joran's head.

There are still a couple of people making excuses for Joran.  Then there's Renfro.  I haven't seen Billybob/Medleyrelay/Jan Brennan post yet.  She might be in shock.

Anita left a comment on Joran's Facebook page on Monday that referenced the Johnny Walker bottle in his profile pic. Somtething to the effect that "the bottle should be empty by now".  Jan Brennan had responded back "spoken just like a mother".  I noticed that Jan Brennan went back yesterday and deleted her comment, though Anita's still stands.

[wingnut]

Also detailed the preliminary forensic report said the woman had died from severe trauma to the skull. In addition, she had lacerations on the body, and bruises on his face, as well as bruising to the head, so it is presumed that the killing blows. Police have ruled it has been violated.

So.......she fell and hit her head too.......

[Nut44x4]

Hunt for Joran Van Der Sloot: Former Lawyer Questions Evidence in Peru Murder, Natalee Holloway Case
Ex-Girlfriend Describes Peruvian Victim as Good Girl Struggling With a Troubled Life

June 3, 2010
A former lawyer for Dutch playboy-turned-fugitive Joran van der Sloot is questioning the evidence in the murder of a young Peruvian woman, saying previous accusations against his one-time client have been heavy on rumor and light on credibility.

Van der Sloot is believed to be on the run in Chile, following this week's murder of 21-year-old Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, whose body was found in van der Sloot's Peru hotel room.

Police believe she was killed exactly five years to the day of the disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot has long been the chief person of interest in that case, but charges were never filed, even after two arrests.

"It just doesn't make sense to me," van der Sloot's former defense attorney Joe Tacopina told "Good Morning America" today. "I don't know enough about the facts -- the so-called facts -- of this new investigation."

Peruvian newspapers have taken to calling van der Sloot the "international assassin" and Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant.

Flores, who was reportedly an out lesbian struggling with her sexuality, was found beaten and stabbed to death in a room at the Miraflores Hotel Tac in Lima booked in van der Sloot's name, police said. The two were seen on surveillance video leaving a casino together. A hotel employee told police that Flores entered the hotel early Sunday morning with van der Sloot.

But Tacopina pointed out that her body was not found until Wednesday and questioned how it was possible she was killed days before without hotel staff knowing. Authorities believe van der Sloot fled Peru, passing through customs into Chile, and is on his way to Argentina.

"I don't know if he's innocent or not. I don't know if he's on the run or not," Tacopina said. "If, in fact there is an international warrant out for his arrest, then he should deal with it."

Tacopina said that after all the accusations in the Holloway case -- accusations that have yet to lead to charges or a conviction -- he's hesitant to believe anything the media presents about van der Sloot.

"There have been so many incidents where false facts have been presented," he said. "Rumors take on a life of their own."

Flores' funeral will be held today in Peru.

Though living openly as a lesbian, Flores struggled to balance her sexuality with her parents' intense disapproval, her ex-girlfriend Stephanie Jimenez told "Good Morning America" today.

Jimenez said that Flores had recently been hitting the casinos especially hard, spending thousands of dollars at a time. She described Flores as a good girl whose intense insecurity shaped much of her behavior.

Jimenez, now living in Miami, said that Flores would often flirt with men while gambling at the casino with her father, Peruvian businessman and racecar driver Ricardo Flores, even though she was out to the gay community.

"She knew something bad was going to happen to her regarding gambling, regarding this environment," Jimenez said. "I mean, this guy appeared out of nowhere. They went to a hotel, and I can't believe this."

Jimenez said it wasn't unusual for either Flores or her father to disappear for a few days at a time, but she's shocked her friend would go to a hotel with van der Sloot.

"She wouldn't do that, she wouldn't do that just for fun," Jimenez said. "She was afraid of something like this happening."

There are several similarities between Flores' death and Holloway's disappearance on May 30, 2005. Most notably, the two women seem to have met van der Sloot under similar circumstances and both were captured on video leaving with him.

The lack of charges against van der Sloot have been a painful source of frustration for Holloway's friends and family, especially after he was heard in February 2008 on a reporter's hidden camera saying investigators would never find Holloway's body.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloot-international-manhunt-natalee-holloway/story?id=10813490



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloot-international-manhunt-natalee-holloway/story?id=10813490

[wingnut]

5000.0 PEN = 1765.15 USD

Sooooo, that means that he paid: 174 x 5000.0 PEN to equal 870,000

therefore you would need to also multiply 1765.15 times 174. right?

That equals 307,136.10 (MONKEY SHOCK)!! DANG! Did I do that right???

Here's where I did the conversion to get the 5000.0 PEN = 1765.15 USD:

http://pen.cer24.com/usd/?q=5000

G'Day monkeys.

CBB - The CNN video report I heard was that he paid $635 (US Dollars)

LOL!! Well......... that makes more sense, Sleuth! Thank You!! There was an article posted that said he paid 870,000 "suns" and we thought it was referring to the Pervuvian currency. Thanks again! 

Maybe 870,000 suns refers to the number of days he will spend rotting in a Peruvian prison. 

[Nut44x4]

Natalee Holloway Suspect Wanted for Murder in Peru

Aired June 2, 2010 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/02/ng.01.html

[Northern Rose]

Dutch lawyer Joran surprised

LONDON - The Dutch lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Bert de Rooij, Wednesday was the beginning of the evening surprised by the news of his client's disappearance Natalee Holloway case.

That said, the lawyer Thursday in a first reaction to the new suspicions against Van der Sloot. The authorities in Peru of the murder suspect Joran Stephany Flores. The victim is the daughter of Peruvian businessman and driver Ricardo Flores.

''I raised my light last night at the circle of people around Joran. They had some email contact with, but not on this matter'', De Rooij.

''I told him then emailed asking if I like him could mean. Then I have no answer.''

http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2261656/nederlandse-advocaat-joran-verrast.html

[klaasend]

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/487752/2010/06/03/Geruchten-zelfmoord-Joran-missen-elke-grond.dhtml

Through translator:

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/03/attorney-joe-tacopina-julia-renfo-still-making-excuses-for-murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-aruba/

Attorney Joe Tacopina & Julia Renfro Still Making Excuses for Murderer Joran Van der Sloot & Aruba

[klaasend]

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/487785/2010/06/03/Joran-wacht-strafproces-in-Peru.dhtml

Through translator:

[klaasend]

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/487668/2010/06/02/Joran-zit-in-Chili.dhtml

Through translator:

[Northern Rose]

Stephany Flores was hit in the head of the Netherlands
Nobody heard anything in the hotel on the block 61 of the Republic of Panama Avenue, within walking distance of Atlantic City casino, where he allegedly met with Joran van der Sloot


Tatiana was supposed Stephany Ramirez Flores, 21 years college student, was at a friend's house, where he had spent the weekend, but found his truck abandoned in a modern rather than old Groove, made suspect his father, Ricardo Flores Chipoco, that something bad had happened.

Stephany had communicated with his father on Saturday around 10 pm and had said he would participate in a competition Latin American Poker Tour in Atlantic City casino de Miraflores, so going to be late.

Since that time, Stephany's trail was lost. His father, fearing the worst, sounded the warning to police on Monday after the discovery of the vehicle. He thought he had been kidnapped, although the family had not received phone calls for money.

The tragic end of Stephany met in last Tuesday night, when a hotel worker Tac restaurant, located in the Republic of Panama Avenue 6160, the administration announced the discovery of the corpse of a young woman on the side of the bed. The maid knocked on the door of Room 309 to confirm whether this had already been evacuated.

Employees reported the news to the police station and is at the Homicide Division of the PNP, which found that the girl lying face down on the floor was Stephany, daughter of businessman and race car driver, Ricardo Flores Chipoco, "rifle."

APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH
Stephany, according to one of her friends, attended the Atlantic City casino to participate in the poker competition and met with Joran van der Sloot, a citizen Dutchman, 23, who had arrived in Peru on May 14 from Colombia .

A casino video shows when the pair play poker in one of the tables. Since then her friends lost track. Stephany forgot all about the world, did not call anyone and concentrated on the game and his new friend.

At 4 am on Sunday 30 May, the couple goes to the hotel where Van der Sloot was staying in the block 61 of the Republic of Panama Avenue, within walking distance of Atlantic City casino.

She drove his Jeep Cherokee A1B-533 to the aforementioned accommodation.

According to investigations by the Homicide Division, between 4:00 a.m. and 8:20 a.m. Stephany Sunday and Joran had discussed although the reasons have not been clarified. The Dutchman would have beaten the girl in the head and body several times into unconsciousness. Nobody heard anything in the hotel. No one noticed the crime.

The room was messy and the body was on one side of the bed. The mattress was not in place. There were some coffee and clothing on the floor.

At 8:20 a.m. Dutchman left the hotel with a suitcase and a backpack. With the keys to the vehicle, which would have taken portfolio Stephany, climbed into the cab of his victim and left the area.

On the afternoon of Monday the vehicle was found abandoned on the block passage 19 of Jorge Chavez, Surco.

Reports indicate that migratory Van der Sloot traveled overland to Nasca and then to Tacna. He left the country for the position of Santa Rosa towards Chile.

CERVICAL TRAUMA
Stephany's body was removed from the hotel at 4:00 a.m. yesterday and taken to the Morgue of Lima. The autopsy examination showed cervical blunt cranial trauma. He also had injuries in various body.

His remains are blurred in the Holy Name of Jesus Church Chacarilla. The funeral is scheduled for today at 4 p.m. in the Gardens of Peace Cemetery in La Molina.

The news quickly spread through CNN in Spanish and the front pages of newspaper websites in the Netherlands. The information generated hundreds of comments from readers. Also in the cable news agencies.

THE DATA
"I am very affectionate"
In his Hi5 wrote: "I'm always happy, I cracked up laughing at my legs, I am very affectionate, I love hanging out with my friends, dancing, going to the beach (I'll Asia, heh, heh), I love playing football, I like going to take with my friends and fun. "

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489182/stephany-flores-recibio-golpe-cabeza-holandes