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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2010, 10:30:08 PM »

Well, Greta was anti-climatic!

Unfortunately, that's often the case........  Greta was royally fooled by Joran once upon a time, and she should have known better.
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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2010, 10:30:26 PM »

I hope that Interpol has the Embassy in Chili and Peru under their eye.  I can see him trying to make it there.  I can also see him trying to get his mommy to arrange him safe passage back to Aruba.
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2010, 10:31:38 PM »

I brightened Stephany up a bit.



Thanks,Carpe.  I was hoping for that.  She is a cute girl.  Very sad.

As much as we all want and have waited for Justice for Natalee, I just can't help thinking as I look at that picture that if Natalee had been able to choose, she surely would have rather had Stephany keep her life and Joran continue to go free.

Such heavy prices paid by the innocent for the sins of the guilty, and still nothing to celebrate as yet another family buries yet another young woman full of so much promise. 

For this double ransom let justice finally be served and let it be served in full, heaped up and spilling over.  And even so, evil makes no sense at all.



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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2010, 10:31:53 PM »

Profiler Claims Van Der Sloot Is Hedging Against Extradition

(June 2) -- While many may have been shocked to learn that Joran van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, is now the prime suspect in the slaying of a Peruvian woman, one top criminal profiler says today's news is not at all surprising.

"[Van der Sloot] is behaving in the manner this profiler would expect," Pat Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency, told AOL News. The Washington, D.C.-based profiler went on to allege that van der Sloot "has been circling the globe for years now, enjoying sexual adventures without any penalty."

Peruvian police are seeking van der Sloot in connection with the slaying of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, 21, who was found stabbed to death in a Lima hotel room this morning. The victim was reportedly seen with van der Sloot at a local casino on Saturday night, and hotel employees say they saw the couple together on Sunday, the day she is believed to have died.

The hotel room in which her body was found was also reportedly registered in van der Sloot's name.

Though a motive in the killing remains unclear, Brown believes the woman was likely slain because she "refused to cooperate" with the killer's desires, or somehow insulted him. The person responsible "may well have thought she deserved to die," Brown said.

Van der Sloot has not yet been arrested. According to ABC News, immigration officials say he departed Peru on Monday; he is believed to be en route to Argentina.

To Brown's mind, that suggests "he's likely running to where he feels the legal system there will prevent him from being extradited and prosecuted."


Even as authorities hunt for van der Sloot, Brown said, they should still be concerned: Whoever is responsible for Ramirez's death is "certainly predisposed to committing more crimes of the Natalee Holloway type," Brown said.

The day police say Ramirez was killed was also the five-year anniversary of the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old woman from Mountain Brook, Ala., who vanished while on a trip to Aruba. She was last seen leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with van der Sloot, then a 17-year-old Dutch honors student living in Aruba. Her body has never been found.

From the outset, van der Sloot allegedly has made multiple confessions in the case:

•In June 2005, he told police he and two friends went for a car ride with Holloway and then dropped her off at her hotel, where they last saw her stumbling toward the lobby.
•Roughly five days later, van der Sloot gave a slightly different version to police, claiming he and Holloway had gone to a beach, but that she had insisted on being left on there when he decided to catch a ride home.
•In February 2006, a Dutch television station aired a hidden-camera confession that van der Sloot had made, claiming Holloway had died of a drug overdose at the beach, and that he and a friend had dumped her body at sea. Following the broadcast van der Sloot acknowledged making the comments, but said they were lies.
•In November 2008, van der Sloot told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway for $10,000 to a man he met in a casino. After the interview, van der Sloot called Fox and said he had been lying.
•In March 2010, yet another statement van der Sloot had made to the media was made public. In a 2009 interview with the German news agency RTL, van der Sloot said Holloway "fell" from a balcony and was killed. He hid Holloway's body in a swamp because he was afraid of being prosecuted, according to reports of the interview, which never aired.
Why all the confessions? Brown believes it could be a sign of a "sexual psychopath" who is looking for attention.

In regard to the Peruvian case, the International Criminal Police Organization has issued an arrest warrant for van der Sloot. The victim's father, local businessman and race car driver Ricardo Flores, said he hopes it won't take authorities long to track down their suspect.

"I don't want to see more people suffering," Flores told BNO News.

But van der Sloot's attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN that people should avoid jumping to conclusions in the case.

"If history teaches us any lesson from [the] van der Sloot-Holloway case, it's that there have been way too many false facts that have been leaked and rumors that have been proven untrue," Tacopina said.

"We need to take a step back," he said. "I have not been contacted and the family has not been contacted. Joran has not been asked by anyone to surrender."



http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/profiler-claims-joran-van-der-sloot-is-hedging-against-extradition-to-peru/19501088
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2010, 10:31:55 PM »

Well, Greta was anti-climatic!

that's why I don't watch. Anymore

I would rather see Nancy Grace's hand on Ron Cummings leg than what Greta could do again.
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« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2010, 10:32:09 PM »

was nataly killed around this time years ago?
yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.
If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach
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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2010, 10:33:04 PM »

since when he was in Peru?

It is reported that Joran arrived in Peru May 14th ahead of a poker tournament that was to begin on June 1
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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 10:33:07 PM »

Dan Collyns Global Radio Network said Stephany Flores was clothed.

The father is very angry because he believes Joran should have not been free.

Last sighting of Joran was him going into Chile.

I was touched by his message to Nat`s family.

In so many word... he basically said: we`re gonna get him this time.
Can you imagine how Natalie's mom and dad are feeling?  It's so sad for both families.
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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 10:36:54 PM »

was nataly killed around this time years ago?
yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.

I agree Can.

I'm wondering if he took his bloody clothing with him and dump them somewhere.  Or is this part of the evidence they have.
Wondering the same San.
Maybe there will be blood splatters on those white (size 14's) the drivers said he was wearing.
Wish he hadn't had such a head start. 
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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 10:38:02 PM »

Dan Collyns Global Radio Network said Stephany Flores was clothed.

The father is very angry because he believes Joran should have not been free.

Last sighting of Joran was him going into Chile.

As well he should be!!!  he ought to get Hero Brinkman into his corner to tackle the Aruban corruption that allowed his daughter to be killed by their known killer.
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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2010, 10:38:30 PM »

Well, Greta was anti-climatic!

that's why I don't watch. Anymore

I would rather see Nancy Grace's hand on Ron Cummings leg than what Greta could do again.

OMG, you're killin' me Rob!  lmao!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2010, 10:38:55 PM »


I sure hope it is, because suicide is a cowards way out (which would fit Urine except he's a narcissist), but I will celebrate ir he committed suicide due to about 25 gunshot wounds and a beat down........ok, I'm so going to hell LOL
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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2010, 10:39:26 PM »

was nataly killed around this time years ago?
yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.
If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

He must be getting old. A few blocks from the beach and he couldn`t make the walk to go dump her in? Poker has made the Sporter flaccid.
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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2010, 10:40:09 PM »

They call on social networks to find Joran van der Sloot

Twitter and Facebook, users express their outrage at the murder of the young Stephany Flores apparently in the hands of the citizens Netherlands.

The murder of the young Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, apparently in the hands of Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, has been around the world and led to the Twitter social network to call your search.

With the title Fin_Joran on Twitter, users Netherlands, U.S. and elsewhere to encourage a "hunt" the Dutchman also prosecuted five years since the disappearance of U.S. 18 Natalle Holloway in Aruba and in similar circumstances to the murder of Stephany.

"Come on, cácenlo wherever you are. There are many pictures of him on the network" and "Let's find Joran" are phrases that can be read on Twitter.

Facebook also manifest themselves in the same way against the Dutchman in 21 years: "If I had seven seconds alone with you, you prepare for your death bed," said one user.

Ramirez Flores's body was found dead early Wednesday at a hotel in Lima district of Miraflores. Had "abrasions on the face and body as well as traumatic injuries," according to the National Police.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-02-convocan-en-redes-sociales-a-encontrar-a-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269518.html
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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2010, 10:40:39 PM »

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had not checked in since early this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2010, 10:41:00 PM »

I brightened Stephany up a bit.



Thanks,Carpe.  I was hoping for that.  She is a cute girl.  Very sad.

As much as we all want and have waited for Justice for Natalee, I just can't help thinking as I look at that picture that if Natalee had been able to choose, she surely would have rather had Stephany keep her life and Joran continue to go free.

Such heavy prices paid by the innocent for the sins of the guilty, and still nothing to celebrate as yet another family buries yet another young woman full of so much promise. 

For this double ransom let justice finally be served and let it be served in full, heaped up and spilling over.  And even so, evil makes no sense at all.


I agree Lifesong, you said it perfectly!  
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2010, 10:41:28 PM »

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had not checked in since early this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering where the heck you were!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2010, 10:42:29 PM »

They call on social networks to find Joran van der Sloot

Twitter and Facebook, users express their outrage at the murder of the young Stephany Flores apparently in the hands of the citizens Netherlands.

The murder of the young Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, apparently in the hands of Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, has been around the world and led to the Twitter social network to call your search.

With the title Fin_Joran on Twitter, users Netherlands, U.S. and elsewhere to encourage a "hunt" the Dutchman also prosecuted five years since the disappearance of U.S. 18 Natalle Holloway in Aruba and in similar circumstances to the murder of Stephany.

"Come on, cácenlo wherever you are. There are many pictures of him on the network" and "Let's find Joran" are phrases that can be read on Twitter.

Facebook also manifest themselves in the same way against the Dutchman in 21 years: "If I had seven seconds alone with you, you prepare for your death bed," said one user.

Ramirez Flores's body was found dead early Wednesday at a hotel in Lima district of Miraflores. Had "abrasions on the face and body as well as traumatic injuries," according to the National Police.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-02-convocan-en-redes-sociales-a-encontrar-a-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269518.html

Yup!  Great idea!  We've identified (as well as possible) all of his friends in South America via his Facebook page.  We've also identified a woman he may have been in Lima with, again via his Facebook page.  Hopefully authorities know this info as well, and are keeping close tabs on these people...
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« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2010, 10:43:42 PM »

was nataly killed around this time years ago?
yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.
If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

He must be getting old. A few blocks from the beach and he couldn`t make the walk to go dump her in? Poker has made the Sporter flaccid.

well if he was driving her car could be pretty easy for him to go to the morro solar is a few miles from there and trow the body but his problem was the cameras are everywhere....Miraflores is a very active place with lots of casinos and night life...it may be difficult for him to get out with her body
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« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2010, 10:43:43 PM »

was nataly killed around this time years ago?
yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.
If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

Joran was in a hotel about 50 blocks from the casino as I understand it.
There is a picture of the hotel on the last thread. 
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