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« Reply #420 on: June 03, 2010, 11:59:19 AM »

At work. Don't even tell me they haven't apprehended that monster?
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Not yet, at least not that we have heard
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« Reply #421 on: June 03, 2010, 11:59:49 AM »

Chilean police are looking for the murderer of the young Dutchman Stephany Flores Peru
Thursday June 3, 2010 8:03 Plana Journalism. (Aeronoticias) .- The murderer Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot would be a dangerous psychopath, which not only have killed an American girl in Aruba, and now the young Peruvian but Stephany Flores Netherlands other girls that according to the police record of this country would have more of NN, is unknown.

In Peru, similar gruesome murders in recent years have mourned our society, one of the most terrible that is reminiscent of the young Garcia Juliana Villacorta where his murderer Randy Gomez said his lawyer Victor Girao Alatrista advised him to hide the shame not to be imprisoned, in both cases the crime was committed in a room and in the latter introduced the Peruvian murderer's body in a barrel and hid it in Caņete, both, ie Randy Gomez and Victor Girao Alatrista were sentenced to deprivation of liberty for the Fourth Criminal Chamber of Inmates in Prison, which is why the murder of Stephany Flores reminds us that in our society are on the loose psychopaths, murderers who have to locate them and put them behind bars.

Aeronoticias expressed in this moment of pain for Lima family its deepest sympathy for this circumstance really unfortunate loss of a wonderful young man that requires justice and it does not have to spare resources and actions for the psychopathic murderer Joran Van Der Slooot be immediately arrested, as other young Chilean or Argentine case that had already crossed the border would be in danger. This girl needs psychiatric treatment or confinement in a prison, we do not know what he did not have forgiveness of God and less of our society, which currently calls for security because it is proven that he confessed to a television journalist murder Aruba of a young American, but as the corpse did not appear ... INTERPOL released him the floor.

http://www.aeronoticias.com.pe/noticiero/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11717:policia-chilena-busca-al-asesino-holandes-de-la-joven-peruana-stephany-flores&catid=49&Itemid=225
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« Reply #422 on: June 03, 2010, 12:01:56 PM »

How Will It End for Joran Van Der Sloot?

Those are the big questions today, after news broke that the young Dutchman arrested twice in connection with the 2005 disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba -- pictured above -- is now the prime suspect in another young woman's murder, this time in Peru.

The bloodied body of 21-year-old Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez was found this weekend in van der Sloot's hotel room -- five years to the day that Holloway disappeared.

The two met at a casino -- the same place he first met Holloway, whose case remains unsolved.

An arrest warrant has been issued, and authorities believe van der Sloot is on the run in Chile, perhaps heading for Argentina.

Embedded below is last night's report from Ashleigh Banfield, which includes the shocking new accusations, as well as the strange history of this murder suspect.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/nightlinedailyline/2010/06/how-will-it-end-for-joran-van-der-sloot.html
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« Reply #423 on: June 03, 2010, 12:04:25 PM »

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489222/holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-ya-tiene-orden-captura-internacional

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« Reply #424 on: June 03, 2010, 12:04:30 PM »

Several hits on the Freebird blog, including many from Peru.  Seems lots of folks there are doing some serious reading up on Joran vd Sloot.

This visitor was also there.  Hello Den Boer relatives of Joran?

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« Reply #425 on: June 03, 2010, 12:04:42 PM »

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iquitos
it is perfectly possible that stefany.had someone else in that room after joran left on sunday morning and before they found her on wednesday. i cannot believe no hotel employee went in there for that long.

siddalee
Maybe a jealous "girlfriend" went in the room after Joran left.

gwen
I thought of that too...




these people are in states of denial for their golden boy.
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #426 on: June 03, 2010, 12:06:18 PM »

If I understood the Diario article correctly, they may have collected semen at the crime scene....pending testing of course.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7645.msg1144991#msg1144991
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also they owing to attain several cup by plastic using, ticketnan by casino atlantic city, y more. stephany had one polo-shirt dress, y her panty. but all cos is seems by indica cu owing to attain remainder by semen, although this have to worde confirma door by test forensico.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #427 on: June 03, 2010, 12:07:52 PM »

June 3rd, 2010
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Minister: Officials in four countries hunting for van der Sloot

Peruvian authorities investigating a young woman's slaying this week are working with officials from Interpol, Chile, Argentina and Colombia in the search for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man previously considered a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, the Peruvian justice minister said Thursday.

There is "incriminating evidence" linking van der Sloot to the killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, who was found with multiple stab wounds in a Lima hotel room Wednesday, Cesar Guardia Vasquez, of Chile Interpol's criminal investigations unit, said at a news conference.

The hotel room where Flores was found was registered in van der Sloot's name, he said.

A hotel guest and an employee witnessed the pair entering the hotel room together at 5 a.m. on Sunday, Guardia said.

Police have video of the previous night, May 29, of van der Sloot and Flores together at the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, he said.

According to immigration officials, van der Sloot fled to Chile over land on Monday, Guardia said.

"We have all the evidence to show that the killer is this man," the victim's father, businessman and race-car driver Ricardo Flores told CNN en Espaņol.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/03/interpol-peru-chile-colombia-argentina-hunt-van-der-sloot/
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« Reply #428 on: June 03, 2010, 12:08:16 PM »

Just on Dutch NOS journaal a reporter said there still is not a international warrant for JvdS. But this is done on purpose because an international warrant leads to very complicated procedures. Now, if they catch Joran they can hand him over to peruvian authorities according to the much simplar illegal alien-laws.
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« Reply #429 on: June 03, 2010, 12:08:39 PM »

If I understood the Diario article correctly, they may have collected semen at the crime scene....pending testing of course.


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I know it was also mentioned some skin under her nails
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« Reply #430 on: June 03, 2010, 12:09:07 PM »

Just on Dutch NOS journaal a reporter said there still is not a international warrant for JvdS. But this is done on purpose because an international warrant leads to very complicated procedures. Now, if they catch Joran they can hand him over to peruvian authorities according to the much simplar illegal alien-laws.

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« Reply #431 on: June 03, 2010, 12:09:09 PM »

Minister: Officials in four countries hunting for van der Sloot

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/03/interpol-peru-chile-colombia-argentina-hunt-van-der-sloot/
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« Reply #432 on: June 03, 2010, 12:09:18 PM »

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iquitos
it is perfectly possible that stefany.had someone else in that room after joran left on sunday morning and before they found her on wednesday. i cannot believe no hotel employee went in there for that long.

siddalee
Maybe a jealous "girlfriend" went in the room after Joran left.

gwen
I thought of that too...




these people are in states of denial for their golden boy.

I don't think it's so much denial, Buckshot.  In one case, you have Renfro's mother taking a jab at Stephany herself (typical, and apple not far from the tree there), and in another you have a woman who would never, EVER admit she was wrong about Joran.

And then there is iquitos who is just simply a moron.
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« Reply #433 on: June 03, 2010, 12:09:47 PM »

posted at ru:

iquitos
it is perfectly possible that stefany.had someone else in that room after joran left on sunday morning and before they found her on wednesday. i cannot believe no hotel employee went in there for that long.

siddalee
Maybe a jealous "girlfriend" went in the room after Joran left.

gwen
I thought of that too...




these people are in states of denial for their golden boy.

I don't think they're in denial Buckshot -- they're still getting paid to lie for Aruba. And their arguments are getting old and tired (just like the skank and her mother)

WHORES

Next we will hear that Stephany did this to herself. Or that she was pregnant by her own father.

Anyone know what Guido is up to these days ?? Ya know -- ONE of Joran's former lovers.



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« Reply #434 on: June 03, 2010, 12:10:10 PM »

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Just on Dutch NOS journaal a reporter said there still is not a international warrant for JvdS. But this is done on purpose because an international warrant leads to very complicated procedures. Now, if the Chileans police catch Joran they can hand him over to peruvian authorities according to the much simplar illegal alien-laws.
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« Reply #435 on: June 03, 2010, 12:11:04 PM »

Greta was just on Fox.  Says that she spoke to Beth yesterday and that Beth is absolutely distraught about this.  That if it hadn't been for the bungling in Aruba this girl wouldn't have died.

Greta saying that doing this on the 5 year anniversary is diabolical and evil.
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« Reply #436 on: June 03, 2010, 12:11:46 PM »

posted at ru:

iquitos
it is perfectly possible that stefany.had someone else in that room after joran left on sunday morning and before they found her on wednesday. i cannot believe no hotel employee went in there for that long.

siddalee
Maybe a jealous "girlfriend" went in the room after Joran left.

gwen
I thought of that too...




these people are in states of denial for their golden boy.

I don't think it's so much denial, Buckshot.  In one case, you have Renfro's mother taking a jab at Stephany herself (typical, and apple not far from the tree there), and in another you have a woman who would never, EVER admit she was wrong about Joran.

And then there is iquitos who is just simply a moron.

Like minds <3
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« Reply #437 on: June 03, 2010, 12:11:53 PM »

Good morning fellow Monkeys :}

This is the first time I have posted in this thread but I have read here frequently. I think it makes sense that Killem and Den Scoot is heading as fast as he can to Suriname to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway. It would be a great deal more pleasant serving time in an Aruban/Dutch prison than it would be in Peru where the conditions are horrific in comparison. If he reaches Suriname I can imagine he will be extradited to his homeland expeditiously. Of course he could always fall on his sword and save us all the trouble, we can but hope. After serving a short time in an Aruba/Dutch prison he would probably be released and I don't see the Aruban/Dutch authorities making much of a move to authorize extradition to Chile.

I hope they catch him before he gets to a place of sanctuary and send him post haste right back to Chile where he will suffer for the rest of his miserable life.


Morning Monkeys.

I too have been worried about Joran getting to Suriname. I believe that is/was a Dutch colony (and remember that 2K are from there). I need to study a South America map - it seems Joran fled SOUTH from Lima, which seems odd to me?

Someone mentioned Cuba - I don't think he would find safe haven there.

Great to see Hat, Hammer, Nonesuch and so many other "old monkeys." We need the great "Dutchman Living on the Argentine Pampas" (Benedick ?sp?).

klaas - thanks for all you do. As always. (And all the other mods as well.)

texasmom - you too!
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« Reply #438 on: June 03, 2010, 12:12:29 PM »

posted at ru:

iquitos
it is perfectly possible that stefany.had someone else in that room after joran left on sunday morning and before they found her on wednesday. i cannot believe no hotel employee went in there for that long.

siddalee
Maybe a jealous "girlfriend" went in the room after Joran left.

gwen
I thought of that too...




these people are in states of denial for their golden boy.

I don't think it's so much denial, Buckshot.  In one case, you have Renfro's mother taking a jab at Stephany herself (typical, and apple not far from the tree there), and in another you have a woman who would never, EVER admit she was wrong about Joran.

And then there is iquitos who is just simply a moron.

Like minds <3

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« Reply #439 on: June 03, 2010, 12:13:03 PM »

(CNN) -- It was supposed to be a celebration -- sun, fun and relaxation on a tropical island for recent graduates savoring the heady taste of approaching adulthood.

But instead, the trip to Aruba by a group of Birmingham, Alabama, high school seniors ended in tragedy, as one of their members, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, never returned home. Questions surrounding her fate are unanswered five years later.

Now, Joran van der Sloot, the youth twice arrested and released in Holloway's disappearance -- seen by many as a privileged playboy who has displayed no remorse or concern over her whereabouts -- has been named a suspect in the stabbing death of a woman in Peru, allegations that hint at a chilling pattern.

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and two other men, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham.

Holloway failed to show up for her flight home the following day, and her packed bags were found in her hotel room.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were arrested and released in 2005 in connection with the case, then arrested a second time in 2007 after Aruba's then-chief prosecutor Hans Mos said he had received new evidence in the case. Van der Sloot, then attending college in the Netherlands, was brought back to Aruba. But judges ruled the new evidence -- which included an Internet chat the same day Holloway disappeared with one of the three youths writing that she was dead -- was not enough to keep them in custody.

In the years since Holloway vanished, van der Sloot has consistently denied any involvement in her disappearance, police said.

"He's just totally, totally dragged us all through hell," Holloway's anguished mother, Beth Twitty, has said.

In 2008, a videotape surfaced on Dutch television. In it, van der Sloot tells a man he thought was a friend he had sex with Holloway on the beach after leaving the nightclub, then she "started shaking" and lose consciousness. He said he panicked when he could not rescuscitate her and called a friend who had a boat. The two put Holloway in the boat, van der Sloot said, and he went home. The friend told him the next day that he had carried the body out and dumped it into the ocean.

"I don't lose a minute of sleep over it," van der Sloot said.

He later claimed the account was a lie, saying he told the man what he wanted to hear. A court ruled there was not enough evidence to re-arrest him. Aruba chief prosecutor Peter Blanken said the story was "unbelievable and not true."

But it's been van der Sloot's cavalier attitude toward the case that has fueled criticism, as well as conflicting statements he's made. He told Fox News in a 2008 interview he sold Holloway to human traffickers for $10,000, then in a taped interview denied it.

At the time his name first surfaced in the Holloway investigation, suspicion swirled around his parents, particularly his father, an Aruban lawyer training to be a judge. Paul van der Sloot was briefly taken into custody in 2005 on suspicion of involvement in the Holloway case. Authorities said he told his son that police had no case without a body. He was released after three days of questioning.

Holloway's parents, however, have said they met with Paul van der Sloot and continue to believe he had the answers to questions regarding their daughter.

"I remember the day I met with Paul at the prison," Dave Holloway has said. "And the thing that stuck out in my mind was I asked him all the questions, why he hid from the news media. And the last question that I had was, was he involved, and he said no. He said, 'Dave, I can understand your position, but you've got to understand mine. Joran's my son and I'll do everything I can to protect him.' And I believe it."

Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay. She has maintained her son's innocence.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/03/holloway.suspect.profile/
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