Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[klaasend]

They call on social networks to find Joran van der Sloot

Twitter and Facebook, users express their outrage at the murder of the young Stephany Flores apparently in the hands of the citizens Netherlands.

The murder of the young Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, apparently in the hands of Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, has been around the world and led to the Twitter social network to call your search.

With the title Fin_Joran on Twitter, users Netherlands, U.S. and elsewhere to encourage a "hunt" the Dutchman also prosecuted five years since the disappearance of U.S. 18 Natalle Holloway in Aruba and in similar circumstances to the murder of Stephany.

"Come on, cácenlo wherever you are. There are many pictures of him on the network" and "Let's find Joran" are phrases that can be read on Twitter.

Facebook also manifest themselves in the same way against the Dutchman in 21 years: "If I had seven seconds alone with you, you prepare for your death bed," said one user.

Ramirez Flores's body was found dead early Wednesday at a hotel in Lima district of Miraflores. Had "abrasions on the face and body as well as traumatic injuries," according to the National Police.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-02-convocan-en-redes-sociales-a-encontrar-a-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269518.html

OMG this is great!

[Dihannah1]

Well, as usual, I've been trying to catch up all day before posting, then my lappy dies and now I'm on my neices slow computer.  How wonderful to see so many old friends, however, I wish it was under better circumstances, like solving Natalees's murder, not another murdered girl.  This monster HAS to be stopped and I don't believe there hasn't been any in between.  He just picked two strong families, one very prominent.  As said before, daddy isn't here to clean up after him, but why so violent!!??  He WILL be caught and sweet justice will be served for both beatiful girls, though poor Beth may never be able to bring Natalee back, she knows how much love there is for her out there.  I'm sure Natalee was waiting at the gates of Heaven when Stephanie entered........

Hi Monkeys.   I'm back to try to catch up some more!

[A's Fever]

Profiler Claims Van Der Sloot Is Hedging Against Extradition

(June 2) -- While many may have been shocked to learn that Joran van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, is now the prime suspect in the slaying of a Peruvian woman, one top criminal profiler says today's news is not at all surprising.

"[Van der Sloot] is behaving in the manner this profiler would expect," Pat Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency, told AOL News. The Washington, D.C.-based profiler went on to allege that van der Sloot "has been circling the globe for years now, enjoying sexual adventures without any penalty."

Peruvian police are seeking van der Sloot in connection with the slaying of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, 21, who was found stabbed to death in a Lima hotel room this morning. The victim was reportedly seen with van der Sloot at a local casino on Saturday night, and hotel employees say they saw the couple together on Sunday, the day she is believed to have died.

The hotel room in which her body was found was also reportedly registered in van der Sloot's name.

Though a motive in the killing remains unclear, Brown believes the woman was likely slain because she "refused to cooperate" with the killer's desires, or somehow insulted him. The person responsible "may well have thought she deserved to die," Brown said.

Van der Sloot has not yet been arrested. According to ABC News, immigration officials say he departed Peru on Monday; he is believed to be en route to Argentina.

To Brown's mind, that suggests "he's likely running to where he feels the legal system there will prevent him from being extradited and prosecuted."

Even as authorities hunt for van der Sloot, Brown said, they should still be concerned: Whoever is responsible for Ramirez's death is "certainly predisposed to committing more crimes of the Natalee Holloway type," Brown said.

The day police say Ramirez was killed was also the five-year anniversary of the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old woman from Mountain Brook, Ala., who vanished while on a trip to Aruba. She was last seen leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with van der Sloot, then a 17-year-old Dutch honors student living in Aruba. Her body has never been found.

From the outset, van der Sloot allegedly has made multiple confessions in the case:

•In June 2005, he told police he and two friends went for a car ride with Holloway and then dropped her off at her hotel, where they last saw her stumbling toward the lobby.
•Roughly five days later, van der Sloot gave a slightly different version to police, claiming he and Holloway had gone to a beach, but that she had insisted on being left on there when he decided to catch a ride home.
•In February 2006, a Dutch television station aired a hidden-camera confession that van der Sloot had made, claiming Holloway had died of a drug overdose at the beach, and that he and a friend had dumped her body at sea. Following the broadcast van der Sloot acknowledged making the comments, but said they were lies.
•In November 2008, van der Sloot told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway for $10,000 to a man he met in a casino. After the interview, van der Sloot called Fox and said he had been lying.
•In March 2010, yet another statement van der Sloot had made to the media was made public. In a 2009 interview with the German news agency RTL, van der Sloot said Holloway "fell" from a balcony and was killed. He hid Holloway's body in a swamp because he was afraid of being prosecuted, according to reports of the interview, which never aired.
Why all the confessions? Brown believes it could be a sign of a "sexual psychopath" who is looking for attention.

In regard to the Peruvian case, the International Criminal Police Organization has issued an arrest warrant for van der Sloot. The victim's father, local businessman and race car driver Ricardo Flores, said he hopes it won't take authorities long to track down their suspect.

"I don't want to see more people suffering," Flores told BNO News.

But van der Sloot's attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN that people should avoid jumping to conclusions in the case.

"If history teaches us any lesson from [the] van der Sloot-Holloway case, it's that there have been way too many false facts that have been leaked and rumors that have been proven untrue," Tacopina said.

"We need to take a step back," he said. "I have not been contacted and the family has not been contacted. Joran has not been asked by anyone to surrender."


http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/profiler-claims-joran-van-der-sloot-is-hedging-against-extradition-to-peru/19501088

But how would he know which country has a favorable legal system unless he had help?  He doesn't strike me as all that bright or educated.

[wreck]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had not checked in since early this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering where the heck you were!

WOW!!! ......... I have not even read the back pages yet. We were on about page 67 this morning and when I checked in just now -  we were on a new thread! I knew something big was up. Right on the 5 year anniversary of Natalee! So is he arrested or not???????????????

[cecilita]

was nataly killed around this time years ago?

yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.

If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

Joran was in a hotel about 50 blocks from the casino as I understand it.
There is a picture of the hotel on the last thread. 

There are several hotels around the casino..... do they have the name of the hotel?

[bamajo]

I agree As Fever, he is in touch or has been in touch with someone to help him out.  What was the Chief of Police's name?  I think he has been in contact with him.

[carpe noctem]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had not checked in since early this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering where the heck you were!

WOW!!! ......... I have not even read the back pages yet. We were on about page 67 this morning and when I checked in just now -  we were on a new thread! I knew something big was up. Right on the 5 year anniversary of Natalee! So is he arrested or not???????????????

Noy yet. They are hunting him down... like Elmer does a wabbit!

[A's Fever]

I really wonder how many bodies this guy has left in his wake.  We'll probably never know, but I'll be there are more. . .

[A's Fever]

* correction: I'll bet there are more

[Frijole]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had not checked in since early this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering where the heck you were!

WOW!!! ......... I have not even read the back pages yet. We were on about page 67 this morning and when I checked in just now -  we were on a new thread! I knew something big was up. Right on the 5 year anniversary of Natalee! So is he arrested or not???????????????

not yet Wreck.  They have interpol after his AXX.  Last seen crossing border from Peru into Chile.  They think he is headed to Argentina based on conversations he had with people who gave him a ride in Chile.  Fry baby Fry!

[Northern Rose]

was nataly killed around this time years ago?

yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.

If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

Joran was in a hotel about 50 blocks from the casino as I understand it.
There is a picture of the hotel on the last thread. 

There are several hotels around the casino..... do they have the name of the hotel?

hotel TAC

[can]

I brightened Stephany up a bit.

Thanks,Carpe.  I was hoping for that.  She is a cute girl.  Very sad.

As much as we all want and have waited for Justice for Natalee, I just can't help thinking as I look at that picture that if Natalee had been able to choose, she surely would have rather had Stephany keep her life and Joran continue to go free.

Such heavy prices paid by the innocent for the sins of the guilty, and still nothing to celebrate as yet another family buries yet another young woman full of so much promise. 

For this double ransom let justice finally be served and let it be served in full, heaped up and spilling over.  And even so, evil makes no sense at all.

I agree, sweet words of sweet Natalee..."cherish every face"

[Frijole]

was nataly killed around this time years ago?

yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.

If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

Joran was in a hotel about 50 blocks from the casino as I understand it.
There is a picture of the hotel on the last thread. 

There are several hotels around the casino..... do they have the name of the hotel?

He was 50 blocks away from the casino at the hotel TAK or something like that.  There are photos of it in the news articles.

[Shell]

was nataly killed around this time years ago?

yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.

I agree Can.

I'm wondering if he took his bloody clothing with him and dump them somewhere.  Or is this part of the evidence they have.

Wondering the same San.
Maybe there will be blood splatters on those white (size 14's) the drivers said he was wearing.
Wish he hadn't had such a head start. 

That big galoot of a guy will be hard to stay in hiding.

[Northern Rose]

Stephany alleged murderer of 1780 soles paid to take him to Arica

The Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot (21), who was killed Stephany Flores, daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, paid 780 thousand suns to be taken from Ica to Arica, revealed Pisconte Aparcana brothers, who moved it.

"He paid 500 thousand dollars per shuttle service between Nazca and 280 soles Tacna and then to be taken to Arica," they said.

They noted that he wore shorts and white sneakers, and carrying two suitcases.

"Do not talk to him because he did not know the language. Just got up, smoked and fell asleep again," they said.

They said that Van Der Sloot, also involved with the disappearance in 2005 of an American student in Aruba, I had a ticket to Cusco cash could not do last Sunday.

http://www.cronicaviva.com.pe/content/view/117220/31/

[klaasend]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had not checked in since early this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wondering where the heck you were!

WOW!!! ......... I have not even read the back pages yet. We were on about page 67 this morning and when I checked in just now -  we were on a new thread! I knew something big was up. Right on the 5 year anniversary of Natalee! So is he arrested or not???????????????

No, he's still on the run.  They think still in Chile trying to make his way to Argentina.

[akmom]

I really wonder how many bodies this guy has left in his wake.  We'll probably never know, but I'll be there are more. . .

We know he spent a lot of time in Thailand.  Many young women there could go missing and never cause a ripple.....

[texasmom]

Profiler Claims Van Der Sloot Is Hedging Against Extradition

(June 2) -- While many may have been shocked to learn that Joran van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, is now the prime suspect in the slaying of a Peruvian woman, one top criminal profiler says today's news is not at all surprising.

"[Van der Sloot] is behaving in the manner this profiler would expect," Pat Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency, told AOL News. The Washington, D.C.-based profiler went on to allege that van der Sloot "has been circling the globe for years now, enjoying sexual adventures without any penalty."

Peruvian police are seeking van der Sloot in connection with the slaying of Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, 21, who was found stabbed to death in a Lima hotel room this morning. The victim was reportedly seen with van der Sloot at a local casino on Saturday night, and hotel employees say they saw the couple together on Sunday, the day she is believed to have died.

The hotel room in which her body was found was also reportedly registered in van der Sloot's name.

Though a motive in the killing remains unclear, Brown believes the woman was likely slain because she "refused to cooperate" with the killer's desires, or somehow insulted him. The person responsible "may well have thought she deserved to die," Brown said.

Van der Sloot has not yet been arrested. According to ABC News, immigration officials say he departed Peru on Monday; he is believed to be en route to Argentina.

To Brown's mind, that suggests "he's likely running to where he feels the legal system there will prevent him from being extradited and prosecuted."

Even as authorities hunt for van der Sloot, Brown said, they should still be concerned: Whoever is responsible for Ramirez's death is "certainly predisposed to committing more crimes of the Natalee Holloway type," Brown said.

The day police say Ramirez was killed was also the five-year anniversary of the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old woman from Mountain Brook, Ala., who vanished while on a trip to Aruba. She was last seen leaving an Oranjestad nightclub with van der Sloot, then a 17-year-old Dutch honors student living in Aruba. Her body has never been found.

From the outset, van der Sloot allegedly has made multiple confessions in the case:

•In June 2005, he told police he and two friends went for a car ride with Holloway and then dropped her off at her hotel, where they last saw her stumbling toward the lobby.
•Roughly five days later, van der Sloot gave a slightly different version to police, claiming he and Holloway had gone to a beach, but that she had insisted on being left on there when he decided to catch a ride home.
•In February 2006, a Dutch television station aired a hidden-camera confession that van der Sloot had made, claiming Holloway had died of a drug overdose at the beach, and that he and a friend had dumped her body at sea. Following the broadcast van der Sloot acknowledged making the comments, but said they were lies.
•In November 2008, van der Sloot told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway for $10,000 to a man he met in a casino. After the interview, van der Sloot called Fox and said he had been lying.
•In March 2010, yet another statement van der Sloot had made to the media was made public. In a 2009 interview with the German news agency RTL, van der Sloot said Holloway "fell" from a balcony and was killed. He hid Holloway's body in a swamp because he was afraid of being prosecuted, according to reports of the interview, which never aired.
Why all the confessions? Brown believes it could be a sign of a "sexual psychopath" who is looking for attention.

In regard to the Peruvian case, the International Criminal Police Organization has issued an arrest warrant for van der Sloot. The victim's father, local businessman and race car driver Ricardo Flores, said he hopes it won't take authorities long to track down their suspect.

"I don't want to see more people suffering," Flores told BNO News.

But van der Sloot's attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN that people should avoid jumping to conclusions in the case.

"If history teaches us any lesson from [the] van der Sloot-Holloway case, it's that there have been way too many false facts that have been leaked and rumors that have been proven untrue," Tacopina said.

"We need to take a step back," he said. "I have not been contacted and the family has not been contacted. Joran has not been asked by anyone to surrender."


http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/profiler-claims-joran-van-der-sloot-is-hedging-against-extradition-to-peru/19501088

But how would he know which country has a favorable legal system unless he had help?  He doesn't strike me as all that bright or educated.

Oh he has plenty of help, lawyer friends all over the place...consulate friends etc.  I'm sure he's getting all the advice he needs.  They've all been there for him before.  Sickening!

[klaasend]

was nataly killed around this time years ago?

yes cecilita.  May 30/10 was Natalee's five year anniversary.   
I tried to respond to your post on the last thread but technical problems.
You said  you were going to contact your family in Peru.  Any idea how long an extradition might take place?
Also with regard to your comment about Joran being seen with possible bloody clothing...I think he would have showered and put on clean clothes before he left the hotel room. jmo

Sad a lovely young girl has lost her life.  Condolences offered to her family and those that loved her.  R. I. P Stefany.

If he is back to Peru he will not go anywhere...that I dont know is if he was in the casino hotel or he was in a different hotel....i know that casino very well and you know what that casino is few blocks from the beach

Joran was in a hotel about 50 blocks from the casino as I understand it.
There is a picture of the hotel on the last thread. 

There are several hotels around the casino..... do they have the name of the hotel?

He was 50 blocks away from the casino at the hotel TAK or something like that.  There are photos of it in the news articles.

Yes TAC and her car was back at the casino area the hotel was about 50 blocks or 7 miles north of the casino

[A's Fever]

I really wonder how many bodies this guy has left in his wake.  We'll probably never know, but I'll be there are more. . .

We know he spent a lot of time in Thailand.  Many young women there could go missing and never cause a ripple.....

Yes exactly.  And where else has he traveled?