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« Reply #1340 on: June 04, 2010, 03:13:49 AM »

Good nite Monkeys


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« Reply #1341 on: June 04, 2010, 03:17:22 AM »

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stephany-Flores-Ramirez-and-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-Case/122041101165784?ref=ts

Memorial page for Stephany on Facebook.

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No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home!


« Reply #1342 on: June 04, 2010, 03:17:29 AM »

Good Night Good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee......
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« Reply #1343 on: June 04, 2010, 03:18:30 AM »

Good Night Good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee......

GoodNight and God Bless Billb..
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« Reply #1344 on: June 04, 2010, 03:20:14 AM »



Marielena Ramirez attends the funeral of her daughter Stephany Flores in Lima



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« Reply #1345 on: June 04, 2010, 03:28:06 AM »



Ricardo Flores, left, and Marielena Ramirez, sitting second right, attend the funeral of their daughter Stephany Flores in Lima, Thursday, June 3, 2010.

Flores, a 48-year-old former race car driver and sometime politician, buried his daughter today in the upscale Jardines de la Paz cemetery accompanied by about 100 mourners. His inconsolable wife, Maria Elena Ramirez, held the slain girl's Minnie Mouse doll to her chest.


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"The room was a complete mess," he said in an interview. He added that no potential murder weapon was found, indicating the killer may have used his bare hands.
http://mobile.al.com/news/birmingham.ssf

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« Reply #1346 on: June 04, 2010, 03:28:19 AM »

urine will be passed to the Peruvian authorities tomorrow.....
He'll be in good hands.....
no paulass
no arubans
no dutch......
Just a polis force intent on bringing to justice the murderer of a beloved countryman and his family's only daughter....
Confessions will be the the rule of the day.....
Natalee is on her way home.....Monkey Angel.....
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« Reply #1347 on: June 04, 2010, 03:29:34 AM »

Good Night Good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee......

GoodNight and God Bless Billb..
God Bless Keepthefaith....
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« Reply #1348 on: June 04, 2010, 03:31:33 AM »

KEEP STEPHANY'S PARENTS IN YOUR PRAYERS





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« Reply #1349 on: June 04, 2010, 03:32:21 AM »

Good Night Good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee......

GoodNight and God Bless Billb..
God Bless Keepthefaith....

There are,shall I say,a few more miscreants & Traitors that be lookin over their shoulders, cause mother time is tickin!TICK_TOCK
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« Reply #1350 on: June 04, 2010, 03:34:15 AM »

KEEP STEPHANY'S PARENTS IN YOUR PRAYERS







EVERYDAY FROM HERE ON OUT.PRAYERS FROM THE NORTHWEST.
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« Reply #1351 on: June 04, 2010, 03:35:44 AM »

I am really sad to read comments of peruvians, specially men that blame her to go with him to a Hotel.

Authorities said that Joran and Stephany left the casino and went to her car and sat in it for 37 minutes before the car left the parking lot.  Date-rape drug wrappers were found in her car.  IMO, Joran drugged her in the car and sat there...waiting on the drug to take effect.  She was taken away under influence of drugs...she didn't willingly go with Joran.




What does a Date-rape drug wrapper look like ???

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My thought about what the mean about the "wrapper" is that a lot of meds are covered with a plastic coating with a backing...and you push the pill out of the backing when it's going to be dispensed.  I'm thinking that what they're talking about.

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« Reply #1352 on: June 04, 2010, 03:38:57 AM »

KEEP STEPHANY'S PARENTS IN YOUR PRAYERS







      “Prayer is not an old woman's idle amusement. Properly understood and applied, it is the most potent instrument of action.”
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From one KTF,to another KTF!Goodnight & God Bless!


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« Reply #1353 on: June 04, 2010, 03:41:09 AM »

KEEP STEPHANY'S PARENTS IN YOUR PRAYERS






KEEP STEPHANY'S PARENTS IN YOUR PRAYERS
AMEN....
And prayers that urine is finished...never to hurt anyone else again......
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« Reply #1354 on: June 04, 2010, 03:42:24 AM »

Good Night Good Monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee......

GoodNight and God Bless Billb..
God Bless Keepthefaith....

There are,shall I say,a few more miscreants & Traitors that be lookin over their shoulders, cause mother time is tickin!TICK_TOCK
Sort strokes Keepthefaith.....
TICK.......
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« Reply #1355 on: June 04, 2010, 03:44:44 AM »

Finally caught up with …

About the extortion/wire fraud charges. I saw the presser on this.

* They had been working on this for about six weeks.

* The $15,000 (of $250,000 demanded) was wired from Birmingham to The Netherlands “on or about May 10.”

* The $15,000 worth of information proved to be FALSE.

* Much made of the fact that Aruba was very cooperative.

I think that in order to build this case, these things had to happen in this order:
1. He received the “down payment” money. (May 10, if I understand the verbiage correctly.) = Extortion.
2. He provided some “down payment” information.
3. That information was checked out.
4. The information was false. = Fraud.

(I am so thinking of Hannibal Lecter. “Quid pro quo, Clarice, quid pro quo … “)

By way of saying, GRETA, I doubt the FBI had its case on May 10. Didn’t have the information until then. Had to check it out.

Getting back to Aruba’s wonderful cooperation – I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if some idiot passed along a tip to Anita or Joran, that < someone from U.S.A. > had been asking about <whatever info Joran had provided >. Joran probably would then have realized that he might be in trouble. BUT – that ‘”someone” might have been JQKelly, who possibly wouldn’t arouse as much suspicion as an FBI query on Aruba. After all, JQK is Beth’s attorney.

The maximum Joran would receive on one of the counts is 30 years, the maximum on the other count is 20 years. Of course we often see sentences running concurrently. That’s some pretty serious time, nonetheless.

I think that the U.S. Attorney’s office had scheduled this announcement for today (or sometime this week). Events in Peru made for a weird coincidence. It’s possible they decided to wait a few days, to see if he got apprehended.

Of course he would have to be extradited to the U.S. by < whatever country “has him” >. I doubt seriously that Peru, or the U.S. Attorney, would dream of pursuing this lesser charge until Peru does its thing.

And yes, it’s possible that after Peru convicts him, we will drag his sorry self up here to stand trial in jail clothes, cuffs, and shackles. I think the FBI wants him to be held accountable here. Then back to Peru to serve that sentence …

I don’t know whether Peru has bail, but rational people would agree that he’s a flight risk. I wonder if the jails for people awaiting trial are any better than the prisons?

Joran may have used his hands or feet, but I believe there was a blunt instrument. He took it with him, and disposed of it somewhere along the line.

Here is what Stephany’s brother said on the Nancy Grace show --

GRACE: Oh, Mr. Flores, I am -- I am so sorry. And our prayers and our condolences to you, your family, your parents. Your father told us that there is evidence from Joran Van Der Sloot on Stephany Tatiana`s body. What is it?

FLORES: The thing is that he beat her up, her face, her body. She -- she -- we can`t recognize her.

GRACE: Oh!

FLORES: I think -- we don`t -- I didn`t -- I don`t know yet what -- what the thing that he got -- I mean, I don`t know. I don`t -- I don`t know that.

GRACE: Enrique, did you go identify your sister`s body?

FLORES: My brother. My brother is the only one that saw her because we decided that one of us first is going to see her and think how -- to see how -- how was she. But he told us that she didn`t even have an eye. She was -- she was unrecognizable. All the body (INAUDIBLE) he said, his neck -- her neck. It was awful.


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Sorry for the long post. Just doing a lot of thinking today about all of this. I feel so much sorrow, and anger, and relief. I hope this is the end of the ordeal.
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Murder & Crime on  Aruba Summary - http://tinyurl.com/2lhukn

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« Reply #1356 on: June 04, 2010, 03:49:55 AM »

msmarple....thank you for all that information.

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« Reply #1357 on: June 04, 2010, 04:02:25 AM »

I *still* think that robbery was the motive.

I noticed in one of the articles about what Chile would do would do with him, it was stated that he did not have sufficient money (or similar wording). I guess they inquired at his bank. I wonder how much cash he had when they got him.

Also, I'm pretty sure I read that the $5,000 that Stephany had won was missing. NOTHING about Joran's winnings.

Joran traveled some 2500 miles, by taxis, and I think I saw something about a plane to Santiago. That could chew up a good chunk of change.

Yep, I think he "carved her out" because he knew she had won.
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« Reply #1358 on: June 04, 2010, 04:27:01 AM »

'Anita van der Sloot is shocked'

The mother of Joran van der Sloot was shocked and moved by the events around her 22-year-old son. That the Dutch lawyer of Joran, Bert de Rooij, said this morning. The reaction of Anita van der Sloot on the news that her son is suspected of murdering a 21-year-old Peruvian, according to the lawyer:''What is this now?''

De Rooij:''The mood is that the family that now can not do with the death of Paul van der Sloot.''Joran's father died in February this year from the effects of a heart attack.

25 years imprisonment

If Joran is found guilty of murder, he can certainly 25 years in Peru get cell. That Javier Villa Stein, president of the Peruvian Supreme Court, let us know. Joran is Friday during the day off on the border with Chile, Peru, so the authorities there arrested him. Stein Peruvian news agency Andina hurried against a brutal murder. He said such crimes should be punished severely in order to protect human life.

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« Reply #1359 on: June 04, 2010, 04:41:10 AM »

Fri June 4, 2010, 10:19

Under study in contact with Joran van der Sloot
Police raid house in Terror Jaap

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HULSHORST - The police last night raided the house of Jaap Amesz (Terror Jaap). These are telephones and computer equipment seized. It would involve an inquiry into the recent contacts that Jaap had to Chile yesterday arrested Joran van der Sloot.

This report initiates. Terror Jaap is also on his own weblog www.terrorjaap.nl mention the police raid.
The overnight search at the bungalow in Gelderland Hoefslag Hulshorst by ten investigators from the National Crime Squad was requested by the U.S. justice occurred.

The occasion was probably the assertion Jaap Amesz in De Telegraaf that he has received in recent days incriminating information about Joran. Poker against a friend could be at that time fugitive Van der Sloot had told "something bad" to have done in Peru. Amesz was unavailable for comment this morning. A spokesman for the National Public Prosecutor could not confirm the incident yet.

http://tinyurl.com/2vpmpon
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