Natalee Case Discussion #833 6/2/10 - 6/4/10

[EURobert]

2005- 2010

I don't think he's sleeping well.

Btw: has anyone checked these latest pictures of Joran for scratch marks and other strange things? It was said that the murdered girl (probably) had stuff under her nails from scratching her attacker.

[crazybabyborg]

Prisoner's day.  I assume something Joran can look forward to for many years to come:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/DUIrlmIObhA&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/DUIrlmIObhA&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6&amp;border=1</a>

WOW - looks like a fun time....O LAY

Well, at least he will learn to speak Spanish!  LOL 

Yeah! And I imagine the prison is a very successful smoking cessation program as well!    <monkey smart azz>

[klaasend]

EURobert - they had reported that Joran was wearing shorts and tennis shoes IN the Casino and that night.  Now he is wearing long pants and a sweatshirt.  I suspect his legs and arms have scratches.

[EURobert]

2005- 2010

I don't think he's sleeping well.

Btw: has anyone checked these latest pictures of Joran for scratch marks and other strange things? It was said that the murdered girl (probably) had stuff under her nails from scratching her attacker.

Maybe that was reason for him to win some time by fleeing from the crimescene; let his skin heal. (If it is true that he wanted to give himself in in Chile - NOT!)

[Tamikosmom]

I would love to learn what FALSE evidence he gave the FBI/Beth. 

this is bugging me.....I assume LE in Aruba would have to be working (or say they were) with the FBI to check out anything in aruba......

I want to know what the info was and WHO EXACTLY checked it out and deemed it incorrect..........

I don't trust anything the Arubans have a part of

Neither do I SunnyinTX.  This is why I am convinced that Joran received a head up from Dutch/Aruban authorities and fled Holland/Aruba at the beginning of May prior to the FBI being given the opportunity to take legal action regarding the extortion investigation.

Think about it.  The US Attorney took immediate action when Joran's whereabouts were revealed ... a Chilean jail.

Natalee Holloway's uncle realized that working with the enemy and expecting a positive outcome was very naive.  It was not rocket science that the involvement of Aruban authorities in the Persistence endeavor ... in the unchallenged recovery of the trap's contents ... did not make sense if the presence of FBI observers was not part of the overall plan.

Janet

+++++++

Federal charges in Alabama will await van der Sloot, if he is not charged in murder case in Peru
June 03, 2010, 8:22PM

Aruban authorities were helpful to the FBI in its extortion investigation, Vance said.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/federal_charges_in_alabama_wil.html


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

.... Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

 

[texasmom]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006804-504083.html

I think this is probably the lawyer they're talking about...

June 4, 2010 11:46 AM

Anita van der Sloot: Suspected Killer's Mom Shocked by New Allegations in Stephany Flores Murder

Posted by Carlin DeGuerin Miller 3 comments



Anita and Paul Van Der Sloot, speak to Fox News in 2005. (AP/Fox News)

NEW YORK (CBS) Anita van der Sloot is "shocked" by the latest allegations against her son, Joran van der Sloot, in connection with yet another young woman's death, according to the family's lawyer Bert de Rooij.


PICTURES: Stephany Flores

De Rooij says that Anita van der Sloot spoke to her son via telephone Thursday but would not give details about the conversation except to say that Joran "certainly did not" confess to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores, according to the Dutch News.

The young woman's body was found in a Lima hotel room in a pool of blood. The room was registered to Joran van der Sloot, according to Peruvian newspaper El Comercio.

"I am advising him to find a lawyer who knows something about laws affecting foreigners in South American," de Rooij told Dutch radio station Radio I.

Joran van der Sloot was detained in a taxi Thursday in Chile after crossing the border from Peru, where authorities say the 22-year-old man is the prime suspect in Flores' murder.


Joran van der Sloot (AP photo)

Police believe van der Sloot met the University of Lima business student the night before her death at a local casino. Her body was found by a hotel maid late Tuesday, her neck snapped, according to Peruvian police.


PICTURES: Natalee Holloway: Paradise Lost

The same day he was arrested in Chile, Van der Sloot was also charged in Alabama with trying to extort $250,000 in connection with the disappearance of  Natalee Holloway.

The 17-year-old American student vanished in 2005 during an Aruba vacation. Van der Sloot has long been the primary suspect, but Aruban prosecutors felt they didn't have the goods to charge him.

In the Alabama charges, van der Sloot is accused of trying to sell information about the location of Holloway's body and the circumstances of her death. Federal prosecutors say van der Sloot already took $15,000 on the deal, but did not name a victim.

Authorities plan to fly van der Sloot, who is currently in Chilean custody, back to the Peruvian border Friday morning, according to a Chilean police spokesman who spoke on condition that he not be named in line with department policy.


MEDIA:
PICTURES: Joran van der Sloot

COMPLETE COVERAGE: Stephany Flores Murdered

[klaasend]

I"m not listening but it was posted on the front page of SM that HLN is saying that Joran stole the $5000 from Stephany.

I think that was already in a translated post above.

[mymonkey]

EURobert - they had reported that Joran was wearing shorts and tennis shoes IN the Casino and that night.  Now he is wearing long pants and a sweatshirt.  I suspect his legs and arms have scratches.

I cannot believe no one heard noise from the room...I was hoping she was not aware of what was happening...that he may have drugged her to the point of not knowing.
(Edit-fix typo per mymonkey-MB)

[mymonkey]

EURobert - they had reported that Joran was wearing shorts and tennis shoes IN the Casino and that night.  Now he is wearing long pants and a sweatshirt.  I suspect his legs and arms have scratches.

I can believe no one heard noise from the room...I was hoping she was not aware of what was happening...that he may have drugged her to the point of not knowing.

Can "NOT"

Sorry granddaughter was talking to me did not check my post.

[texasmom]

I would love to learn what FALSE evidence he gave the FBI/Beth. 

this is bugging me.....I assume LE in Aruba would have to be working (or say they were) with the FBI to check out anything in aruba......

I want to know what the info was and WHO EXACTLY checked it out and deemed it incorrect..........

I don't trust anything the Arubans have a part of

I don't think it has anything to do with false information it was the act of getting money for information that was against the law.
Extortion is a criminal offense which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense.

It was plainly stated in the FBI press conference that the information given was false.

I think that's what constituted the fraud portion of the charge.

http://www.aolnews.com/article/feds-van-der-sloot-peddled-bogus-details-on-holloway/19502842

snipped

The complaint alleges that van der Sloot agreed to provide not only the location of Holloway's body but also information about the "circumstances of her death" upon receipt of the money from an unnamed individual in Birmingham.

The information that van der Sloot provided was false, federal authorities said.

[crazybabyborg]

Fox............... he's arrived in Peru............ covering now

[EURobert]

EURobert - they had reported that Joran was wearing shorts and tennis shoes IN the Casino and that night.  Now he is wearing long pants and a sweatshirt.  I suspect his legs and arms have scratches.

I cannot  believe no one heard noise from the room...I was hoping she was not aware of what was happening...that he may have drugged her to the point of not knowing. (Edit-Fix typo per mymonkey-MB)

Can "NOT"

Sorry granddaughter was talking to me did not check my post.

I can remember that somewhere it was said (written) that people heard them having a fight in the hotelroom.

[cece]

Joran Van Der Sloot Being Expelled - CNN 2010-06-04

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ScTFpdy3aXk&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ScTFpdy3aXk&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;border=1</a>

[Northern Rose]

Not much movement outside the family home Ramirez Flores. Gerardo Reyna, RPP reporter says that you can see the jeep he used the young Stephany Flores, allegedly killed by the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-minuto-a-minuto-la-llegada-de-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269869.html#postComment

[Northern Rose]

13:50

A few minutes ago came to the post of Santa Rosa, in Tacna, five Chilean police officers to coordinate the release of Joran van der Sloot.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-minuto-a-minuto-la-llegada-de-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269869.html#postComment

[can]

Fox............... he's arrived in Peru............ covering now

Yay!...I feel better now!
Catching up (after spending morning @ hospital while DH underwent a series of tests)

Yeh, get a lawyer Joran. 
Beth's lawyers in Aruba weren't able to do much for her.

[texasmom]

EURobert - they had reported that Joran was wearing shorts and tennis shoes IN the Casino and that night.  Now he is wearing long pants and a sweatshirt.  I suspect his legs and arms have scratches.

I can believe no one heard noise from the room...I was hoping she was not aware of what was happening...that he may have drugged her to the point of not knowing.

Can "NOT"

Sorry granddaughter was talking to me did not check my post.

I can remember that somewhere it was said (written) that people heard them having a fight in the hotelroom.

I remember reading or hearing something about them arguing too EURobert.

[can]

EURobert - they had reported that Joran was wearing shorts and tennis shoes IN the Casino and that night.  Now he is wearing long pants and a sweatshirt.  I suspect his legs and arms have scratches.

I can believe no one heard noise from the room...I was hoping she was not aware of what was happening...that he may have drugged her to the point of not knowing.

Can "NOT"

Sorry granddaughter was talking to me did not check my post.

I can remember that somewhere it was said (written) that people heard them having a fight in the hotelroom.

I remember that.  It was an employee IIRC.

[AZSunny]

Receptionist counts how he found the corpse of Stephany Flores

Abad Adely Marchena Miraflores Tac hotel receptionist, where she was found dead Stephany Flores (21), said that he was working in this establishment early Wednesday and received a strange call asking for the citizens Netherlands, Joran Van der Sloot. This is stated in a document appended to the minutes of lifting the body of the girl, who had access to space "América Noticias". In that statement to the police, Abbot noted that at 00:30 on Wednesday received a call from a woman, supposedly Atlantic City casino, asking for Joran, but nobody answered the Dutchman in the room, he replied that the young man was not. After that the alien was found two days rental so went to the room and knocked on the door several times . 'As I heard that the TV was on, no bother and went upstairs and I told the manager that told me to get back and take a copy of the room, "said Adely in its manifestation.
He added that, on having entered to the quarter, he found the body of the daughter of the well-known businessman Ricardo Flores.

" Miss Stephany was thrown in the flat of back and the knees flexionadas towards the wall and was bleeding for the nose from what I was scared and went out ", he concluded.

According to the record of raising of corpse, the young woman received a fortress much blow at a height of the left ear with an object contuso (without knife-edge).

Meanwhile, the Division of Murders has been in charge to analyze the racket found in the room, which would be the weapon of attack[/color].

The medical jurist described multiple injuries in the arms and the feet of the young woman. Also it was presenting chafings in the chin and blows even in the knees and had from 42 to 72 hours of death and of 5.000 dollars that it had gained in the casino, there was no track.

According to the police report of the Police station of San Antonio, in the room also there were some belongings of Stephany as his phone nextel, a portfolio, untid clothes and a lighter with the logotype of Atlantic City.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-03-recepcionista-cuenta-como-encontro-cadaver-de-stephany-flores-noticia_269820.html

OMG, are they are saying he beat her with a tennis racket?

[thirdstrike]

13:50

A few minutes ago came to the post of Santa Rosa, in Tacna, five Chilean police officers to coordinate the release of Joran van der Sloot.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-minuto-a-minuto-la-llegada-de-joran-van-der-sloot-noticia_269869.html#postComment

RELEASE?  You mean release into Peruvian custody, right?  Man, whenever I see the words "release" and "Joran Van Der Sloot", I get all messed up...