Caylee Marie Anthony #162 5/10/10 - 5/22/10

[ddex]

Just the fact that they were even looking at Lee as a (possible father) should be a pretty good sized tip off to all - just where this thing is headed.

I will stick to my guns... but I perfectly understand and respect all others who do
not subscribe to my beliefs.

...and a big thank you to SM for letting us air our opinions. It is why I come here.

A lot of other forums are nut infested. SM appears to have a superb nut filter!

(No offense to our beloved resident Nut - who is a nut in name only.)

DITT ::MonkeyDance::O

[SunnyinTX]

Just the fact that they were even looking at Lee as a (possible father) should be a pretty good sized tip off to all - just where this thing is headed.

I will stick to my guns... but I perfectly understand and respect all others who do
not subscribe to my beliefs.

...and a big thank you to SM for letting us air our opinions. It is why I come here.

A lot of other forums are nut infested. SM appears to have a superb nut filter!

(No offense to our beloved resident Nut - who is a nut in name only.)

Ditto Carpe.   

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.wesh.com/news/23620126/detail.html
More Evidence Released In Anthony Case
Perry Schedules Next Hearing For June 1

POSTED: 11:34 am EDT May 20, 2010
UPDATED: 4:37 pm EDT May 21, 2010
ORLANDO, Fla. --
More than 500 pages of evidence was released in the case against Casey Anthony on Friday.

Some of the pages dealt with what prosecutors are doing to try to prove their theory that duct tape on Caylee Anthony's mouth was indeed the murder weapon.

Caylee's body was found on Dec. 11, 2008, near the Anthony family home in Orange County. Casey Anthony remains at the Orange County Jail facing a murder charge in connection with her daughter's death. Her trial is scheduled to begin in May 2011.

In an e-mail between FBI analysts, they discuss why prosecutors are so interested in the length and width of the duct tape, as well as high-tech plans they have to show how the tape was used in Caylee's death.

In an e-mail dated in February 2009, an FBI analyst said, "They want to know if it would be possible for the tape as it was to cover both the mouth and nose areas." The e-mail continued and said prosecutors would need scale measurements of the tape "to do some computerized re-creation images of the skull with the tape."
Reports indicated the longest piece of tape was 9.5 inches long, and the shortest piece of tape was 7.5 inches long.

Also included in the documents was an inventory from the Suburban Drive crime scene that detailed how flags placed at the scene marked a myriad of body parts, including teeth and bones from the leg and ribs.

In newer documents released on Friday, prosecutors said they've submitted secret letters Anthony wrote to fellow inmate Robyn Adams to an FBI laboratory for analysis. Detectives also submitted notebooks containing her known writing samples for comparison. The prosecution wants to confirm the letters were written by her.

On Friday, Judge Belvin Perry also scheduled a hearing for June 1. The hearing will deal with two issues that include a defense motion to seal jail visitation logs and a motion to reconsider certain prior rulings by Judge Stan Strickland.

New Evidence Released In Casey Anthony Case  http://www.wesh.com/video/23636625/index.html

[no rose colored glasses]

My DH and I had an early diner with an attorney friend....I asked him if the State knew GA was Caylee's father what would they do. His opinion was GA would be in jail charged with incest. He said the repercussions of them knowing this and NOT persuing it would be  criminal. He also said he doubts IF this were true, that the state would continue with this as a DP case. They would have already offered her a plea. Please don't kill the messenger.  Just sharing what I was told by a professional, former ADA.

Thank-you

[Ono]

Well, the good news is the next hearing is only in ten days ... lol  .. Wonder how many of the cast of characters will be in play?

[Gypsy DD]

And all Carpe said plus the fact they had lawyer write up/insure if something happened to casey they get custody of Caylee. I had never heard this being done before.

I AM NOT DEFENDING THE ANTHONYS but.... it's always a smart thing to provide for the custody of one's child, should one die (whether by being thrown under the bus or by the needle). In this case, where both the mother and the child lived with the grandparents, it was a logical choice for Crzy to make sure that Georgie and Spinderella got custody. I know that in my  state, if the parents die without having guardians listed, the State assumes custody of the child until guardianship is determined. In other words, the grandparents would have to go thru an adoption process.

So, Casey may have actually done one smart thing. Of course, Cindy was pulling the strings....

Just catching up here..haven't been on all day.

But as far as the legal documents that Cindy said the family signed  in case something happened to Casey..didn't happen.  That was one of her first big lies..with many to follow. 
She claimed the attorney that handled the orignal donation fund, not Nejame, but George's disability lawyer had drawn up the paperwork.  She couldn't produce it for LE..and the attorney claimed they never had the discussion.  Just more Cindy BS..trying to seem like someone she was not...all caring and ready for any circumstance where Caylee was concerned.

[Ono]

Turbo, I have believed there is way more going on here then what we have seen so far, I would bet on it, imo.

I would too.  Might explain why CA and GA walk on egg shells and treat the monster like she is royalty.    They don't want her to spill.

Remember when she said to CA at the jail " I haven't told them anything" or something like that?  I thought that was a good indicator that she was letting them know she COULD tell on them for whatever they are hiding.

Something keeps nudging me about that jailhouse visit scene, [other than the obvious impact if we take her words literally ].  As we've seen over time, she's pretty tricky.  So, was it an honest "excited utterance" in regards to something she has direct knowledge of, or was Casey just deliberately planting malevolent thoughts in the heads of the viewers, ... out of shear meaness?   

[Curly]

this is from WS....sorry I don't have the link as it was emailed to me


Quote:
Originally Posted by Riley1833 View Post
Good Day to all. I was reading on another site yesterday and some were discussing they think George is Caylee's father. I know Lee was disqualified and I was almost sure I had read that George was also disqualified, but I am not sure. Can someone please point me to where I might get the answer if both George and Lee were disqualified as Caylee's biodad? TIA

Sunny this response is from AZLawyer....she answers many legal questions and seems to know her stuff!
There is absolutely no chance of George being Caylee's father. The FBI didn't produce a report specifying that conclusion, because LE only asked them for a report about Lee. However, the FBI had George's DNA for other reasons (checking against DNA found on physical evidence) and did produce his DNA chart, as well as Caylee's and Casey's. If you know about DNA, you can read the charts and see that there is no way George could be Caylee's father.

Hallelujah. At least this is finally settled!

[carpe noctem]

page 397 of latest doc dump -

BIG TROUBLE COMES IN SMALL PACKAGES

It has been theorized that Caylee was placed in this shirt because of what it says.


 

Can we just go and get her and spank her right now? I can`t take it anymore.

[Gypsy DD]

Just the fact that they were even looking at Lee as a (possible father) should be a pretty good sized tip off to all - just where this thing is headed.

I will stick to my guns... but I perfectly understand and respect all others who do
not subscribe to my beliefs.

...and a big thank you to SM for letting us air our opinions. It is why I come here.

A lot of other forums are nut infested. SM appears to have a superb nut filter!

(No offense to our beloved resident Nut - who is a nut in name only.)

Ditto Carpe.   

Although I don't believe George or Lee are the father of Caylee..I respect yur opinion Carpe.  I think LE did that DNA to eliminate the possibility ..to get Casey in another lie so to speak.  They had to react to her accusations about Lee and her Dad.  I think they knew she was playing them like a violin..only hers is out of tune.

I do believe that Jesus is the father, killed in a car accident while in college.  I believe there would have been veryl little SS  money there..he was young and had not started a career.  I think that Cindy probably knows this as well as George and Lee.  I think they decided to not tell his family they also had a granchild..so they didn't have to share.  I think they thought..as Casey thought ..she could get a future husband, like Jesse, to believe it was his.  That didn't work out either.

From the moment Caylee was conceived her life was just a sham that the whole A family participated in ..each using her as a pawn in their little dysfunctional games withe each other. 

[seemeatthebeach]

When this first started, remember Cindy called all Casey's friends to come over for a meeting.
Well Jessie and Annie, were there I think and Jessie mentioned calling someone that could help Casey. I got the impression that he ran a big hotel or owned it. Anyway, Jessie did phone
and whoever was out of town, but I think it was Jessie that got ahold of him and said he
would help. Mind you the A's tried to throw Jessie under the bus since then. But could this
big wig be Caylee's daddy. I've often wondered if Casey was into porn and also involved
Caylee into it. Ugly I know. But Casey was an ugly person. I don't have a link, but it was
brought up at that meeting.

I think the "list" of who could be Caylee's father is endless............same as the skank's "list of lies".........

Hi seeme!  I agree and until/unless it is proven different, I am going to continue to believe that Kc really wasn't sure who fathered Caylee.

Imagine the cost to test all potentials.........
Sunny, I don't think Casey knows either........
she not only had a new "flavor" of the month, she had several "flavors" a day some weeks.

[carpe noctem]

this is from WS....sorry I don't have the link as it was emailed to me


Quote:
Originally Posted by Riley1833 View Post
Good Day to all. I was reading on another site yesterday and some were discussing they think George is Caylee's father. I know Lee was disqualified and I was almost sure I had read that George was also disqualified, but I am not sure. Can someone please point me to where I might get the answer if both George and Lee were disqualified as Caylee's biodad? TIA

Sunny this response is from AZLawyer....she answers many legal questions and seems to know her stuff!
There is absolutely no chance of George being Caylee's father. The FBI didn't produce a report specifying that conclusion, because LE only asked them for a report about Lee. However, the FBI had George's DNA for other reasons (checking against DNA found on physical evidence) and did produce his DNA chart, as well as Caylee's and Casey's. If you know about DNA, you can read the charts and see that there is no way George could be Caylee's father.

Hallelujah. At least this is finally settled!

Until I hear it from a DNA expert certified by the State, nothing is settled for me. Remember Cindy handing over the dummy Caylee hair brush? With George and Cindy anything is possible.

People who toss out ABSOLUTES while using screen names make me nervous. Just sayin...

[no rose colored glasses]

I know others also think this Jesus who was killed in a car accident think that he may have been Caylee's father. Am I mistaken, didn't they do DNA testing to see if he were? If he is, is it not strange that his parents haven't said anything, or would it just be something since their grandchild has been killed, that this would make sense not to say something? If this is the case, she was still their grandchild. But I don't see any resemblance to him, all I see is Cindy and George, which I guess isn't that weird, but still you would think their would be some characteristics of the father.

[Ono]

It seems as though we read somewhere that they did rule him out, NRCG, but to tell you the truth, my mind is a total blur-lol.   The brain has been "Anthonyed Out" and is running on fumes.    We'll have to wait for all the facts to emerge at trial, and won't know if paternity will be revealed or is a factor until then.    In my view, I think the identity is going to prove important--in what way, I don't know.

[Bearlyhere]

My son was the spitting image of my brother when he was born and looked like my nephew growing up.  My son's father is not even the same nationality as we are, some genes are just more dominant than others.  My aunt would always say you can always tell a Bearly family baby.  My brothers' wives do not resemble each other either.

Sometimes people choose as their "mates" someone who resembles themselves, as an egocentric person, I can see Casey choosing for her baby's father, someone who resembles her.  I agree that this family is too close for comfort, but I really think there is some weird family secret, even if it is the control that one woman has over her family. 

Cindy has control over George and has him by the short hairs, he cannot live alone, he needs her as his caretaker, the same with Casey, none of her relationships were good enough for her, she always sought mommy in the end.  If Caylee was still alive, and they moved in with Tony, she would have come running back to mommy eventually.  She is addicted to this relationship. 

I also see the fact that the father was never named, as wanting total control over Caylee, no father, no competition.  It was worth every penny they did not get from him to Cindy, for that control.  KC hated that she needed her mother, but she did.  Lee was used to these family dynamics, after all, this is where he grew up and what felt normal to him.  He also has come running back to Mom.  Poor Caylee was helpless and along for the ride.  She got run over by the Anthony dysfunction train. 

It was inevitable that Casey would once again try to break all ties with her mother, unfortunately, that included the one "thing" that Cindy loved the most, Caylee.

Caylee was taken care of as though she was a possession, and that possession could not go into the hands of the one person who is your rival, even if you have to break it.  If it can't be mine, it won't be yours, there, I broke it and you can't have it either.  A tug of war over what they never realized, was a human being, a very precious human being, they failed to recognize her humanity and individuality. 

Poor Caylee, she never knew when another fight would erupt, her only sanctity was her room and the costumes she wore in her imaginary world.  A "good mother" does not let that happen to their child.  The film we saw of Casey and Cindy fighting in the jail was, I believe, what Caylee saw on a regular basis.  What we didn't see however, was the physical part of the fight, because the fighters were separated by distance.  Can you imagine what that fight would have been like had they been in the same room?  Caylee could tell you. 

God knows how precious Caylee is, she now has love in abundance.

As far as this defense is concerned, they cry if they do, they cry if they don't.  They need to get out of the sandbox and go home.  The reasons the death penalty was sought was apparent to anyone who paid attention, no surprises there.  Someone said the best defense is an offense and I think this defense is extremely offensive.  They have revealed their hand over and over.  They have nothing.  They play by their own rules.  Denied!  Denied!  Denied!

I also noticed that the defense made sure they ate up all the money Casey had, before they started even taking depos, which they knew would be on the state's dime.  Pro bono?  Don't we all wish we could get a job pro bono that paid $200,000+? 

There is a bunch of money missing.  Where did it go?  It certainly did not go to Caylee's defense, she has not been considered by her family in this as the precious child she is, instead, she was a broken possession, taken out in the trash, after being triple bagged, to make sure the pieces never hurt the one throwing her away.  She was so very precious and fragile and her "owners" never cared.

Run free with the angels, Caylee, there are multitudes that love you and recognize you for the loving child you are.  We will not forget, we will remain steadfast.  She sent a message with that toy horse, it was missing a knight.  Caylee needed a hero, she did not have one in life, but many are here to make sure she has one now. 

Bearly, this is without  doubt one of the most honest, loving, insightful and heartfelt posts I can remember. Thank you

Bearlyhere - you really have a in-sight to this whole group - this is a very well-written post.
Thank you.

You're welcome!

[klaasend]

   
  Bearly 

[Bearlyhere]

Approx page 44 of the new discovery released is mention of soil residue being found in the trunk - is it a match to Suburban Drive?

Looks to me that this defense team cannot defend Casey so they are going to attack chain of custody, contamination of evidence with a thrown in "someone other dude (any dude will do)" defense, not to mention an ongoing accusation of prosecutorial misconduct in an act of desperation.

Yes, I agree, it's going to be a very nasty fight against LE, prosecution, labs, professionals.

No doubt about it, there will be a big fight, and Linda Kenney Baden will be leading that fight, I believe that is her expertise.

With all due respect IMHO disagree that LKB will win much in this case, this is not the Spector trial for one & while she will fight to confuse the jury with possible minor errors there is a mountain of evidence that the defense will not overcome.  Even is she wins a point or two, it will be incidental to the rest that points to Casey's guilt.

Unfortunately for the defense, they are drowning in a sea of evidence and grabbing at a couple pieces of seaweed is not going to help keep them afloat!

[Bearlyhere]

this is from WS....sorry I don't have the link as it was emailed to me


Quote:
Originally Posted by Riley1833 View Post
Good Day to all. I was reading on another site yesterday and some were discussing they think George is Caylee's father. I know Lee was disqualified and I was almost sure I had read that George was also disqualified, but I am not sure. Can someone please point me to where I might get the answer if both George and Lee were disqualified as Caylee's biodad? TIA

Sunny this response is from AZLawyer....she answers many legal questions and seems to know her stuff!
There is absolutely no chance of George being Caylee's father. The FBI didn't produce a report specifying that conclusion, because LE only asked them for a report about Lee. However, the FBI had George's DNA for other reasons (checking against DNA found on physical evidence) and did produce his DNA chart, as well as Caylee's and Casey's. If you know about DNA, you can read the charts and see that there is no way George could be Caylee's father.

Thanks, Sunny.

I just could never imagine that sweet loving child to be a child of both Casey and George, the sweetheart genes had to come from somewhere.

 

[Bearlyhere]

When this first started, remember Cindy called all Casey's friends to come over for a meeting.
Well Jessie and Annie, were there I think and Jessie mentioned calling someone that could help Casey. I got the impression that he ran a big hotel or owned it. Anyway, Jessie did phone
and whoever was out of town, but I think it was Jessie that got ahold of him and said he
would help. Mind you the A's tried to throw Jessie under the bus since then. But could this
big wig be Caylee's daddy. I've often wondered if Casey was into porn and also involved
Caylee into it. Ugly I know. But Casey was an ugly person. I don't have a link, but it was
brought up at that meeting.

I think the "list" of who could be Caylee's father is endless............same as the skank's "list of lies".........

Mary could that person been baez?

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Casey knew of or ever saw Baez before she was arrested.  So I would have to say NO, Baez can be ruled out.

OMG...alert the media.......Baez made it to the "short" list

Imagine that, someone on the short list and the $h!t list!

 

[Bearlyhere]

Approx page 44 of the new discovery released is mention of soil residue being found in the trunk - is it a match to Suburban Drive?

Looks to me that this defense team cannot defend Casey so they are going to attack chain of custody, contamination of evidence with a thrown in "someone other dude (any dude will do)" defense, not to mention an ongoing accusation of prosecutorial misconduct in an act of desperation.

Yes, I agree, it's going to be a very nasty fight against LE, prosecution, labs, professionals.

No doubt about it, there will be a big fight, and Linda Kenney Baden will be leading that fight, I believe that is her expertise.

Normally I would agree...but I really doubt JP is going to allow much fighting in his court room....LKB is gonna have to learm to play nice in his sandbox!

Add to that, LKB is boring...........she'll have to work to keep the jurors interested and awake IMO.

Maybe that is why she wears such tight fitting clothes, maybe she is hoping for a wardrobe malfunction to keep everyone awake.