Caylee Marie Anthony #162 5/10/10 - 5/22/10

[seemeatthebeach]

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Good synopsis of today's events.

Yes ...very good! 

A.L.'s motion re: the Protective Order with Respect to Penalty Phase Discovery teases the imagination ...

1) One does wonder if those so called: suicide attempts by George and by River were, in fact genuine.  I also wonder who or what are they expecting as far as " witness harrassment" ??? [  Mr. Ashton's comment about Kronk was terrific, as his whole day today, imo.  ]

2) One could also go way out of bounds into a flight of fancy and wonder if Caylee's father is going to be called to testify .... that would surely cause a stir, to put it mildly!

Ashton's comment about Kronk was just priceless.....made my day!

[AnnetteInMn]

She keeps going back to that "motive" in seeking the death penalty. I have a feeling it is MONEY............I think there is an insurance policy out there the defense does not know about.

I absolutely and completely agree with you Turbo.

Because I had to work today I wasn't able to see the hearing today but I'm a day late and a dollar short.  I was very intrigued by this series of comments and I am hoping that someone in the know might explain what this may be all about.  I was not sure if maybe the defense knows there is possibly a life insurance policy, or if it is the state or maybe both?  Is the policy you're discussing on Caylee or Casey?  Who would be the beneficiary?  I thought I read early on that LE determined there were no policies but maybe one was "dug up?"  Thanks for any clarification on this issue.

There was some question if there was a $15,000  insurance policy on Caylee. KC referred to having money put back of that amount to many of her friends and there are some children policies which are exactly that amount for almost nothing for a child under 5. Gerber has one, and there are about 5 other companies which have the same thing. It would be very easy for her to have taken one of those policies when she made the decision to get rid of Caylee. I think they are about $20.00  to $75.00 A YEAR for Caylee's age, depending on when she took it out.

I have also wondered if CA had a policy on her through her work which KC planned on getting. I am more prone to think KC planned it and took out one of those Gerber Life Policies.

Thank you for answering that question TurboThink.  It certainly makes one wonder.  Granted it was a long time ago when I gave birth to my son, but I constantly got those guaranteed life insurance policies for children advertisements and you're right, they are very affordable, even for someone who doesn't work.  She probably paid for a few years of premiums just with the quarters she stole from Caylee's piggy bank!  That would certainly be an aggrevating circumstance and could very well be one of the reason's the death penalty was reinstated.  I'm sure if something like this is the case, we'll hear about it come trial.  That would also explain Casey's claims of having a bunch of money socked away (kind of hard to have that kind of cash when one doesn't have a j-o-b).  The only part of that theory that would be tough for me is that I'm sure Casey never wanted Caylee's body found and without a body or many years passing the policy would not be collectable.  Then again, could be the reason there was so much focus on the body was put there after Casey was already jailed???  I, for one, would surely like to find out what the real story is behind a possible financial motive.

[mizjay]

She keeps going back to that "motive" in seeking the death penalty. I have a feeling it is MONEY............I think there is an insurance policy out there the defense does not know about.

I absolutely and completely agree with you Turbo.

Because I had to work today I wasn't able to see the hearing today but I'm a day late and a dollar short.  I was very intrigued by this series of comments and I am hoping that someone in the know might explain what this may be all about.  I was not sure if maybe the defense knows there is possibly a life insurance policy, or if it is the state or maybe both?  Is the policy you're discussing on Caylee or Casey?  Who would be the beneficiary?  I thought I read early on that LE determined there were no policies but maybe one was "dug up?"  Thanks for any clarification on this issue.

There was some question if there was a $15,000  insurance policy on Caylee. KC referred to having money put back of that amount to many of her friends and there are some children policies which are exactly that amount for almost nothing for a child under 5. Gerber has one, and there are about 5 other companies which have the same thing. It would be very easy for her to have taken one of those policies when she made the decision to get rid of Caylee. I think they are about $20.00  to $75.00 A YEAR for Caylee's age, depending on when she took it out.

I have also wondered if CA had a policy on her through her work which KC planned on getting. I am more prone to think KC planned it and took out one of those Gerber Life Policies.

Thank you for answering that question TurboThink.  It certainly makes one wonder.  Granted it was a long time ago when I gave birth to my son, but I constantly got those guaranteed life insurance policies for children advertisements and you're right, they are very affordable, even for someone who doesn't work.  She probably paid for a few years of premiums just with the quarters she stole from Caylee's piggy bank!  That would certainly be an aggrevating circumstance and could very well be one of the reason's the death penalty was reinstated.  I'm sure if something like this is the case, we'll hear about it come trial.  That would also explain Casey's claims of having a bunch of money socked away (kind of hard to have that kind of cash when one doesn't have a j-o-b).  The only part of that theory that would be tough for me is that I'm sure Casey never wanted Caylee's body found and without a body or many years passing the policy would not be collectable.  Then again, could be the reason there was so much focus on the body was put there after Casey was already jailed???  I, for one, would surely like to find out what the real story is behind a possible financial motive.

That would be VERY interesting if she had an insurance policy and does answer the question of how she could claim a stash of money.
Possibly when she began her plan (maybe months before it actually happened) she was planning an elaborate kidnap type of thing so that Caylee would be found . If she killed her in a rage and hadn't really thought things through and got side tracked with her uber important social calendar, maybe she just spaced out details . Eventually she had to just try and save her rear end  and the rest is history???

[Babybear]

Thanks for all the descriptions and information about court today, folks.  Appreciate it.
Yesterday someone, I think Judge Perry, referred to "Remains." We all know that George doesn't like that and gets quite aggitated about it if someone dares say it.  Maybe that's why he didn't show today.  Remains, George, Remains.

I think I agree with the monkey who said that George was chewing gum yesterday.  He appeared to be holding it in his mouth and grabbing a quick chomp once in a while.

I don't think I have anything to add about today except Judge Perry did an excellent job and it is easy to see why he is Chief Judge.  I haven't watched Bill O'Reilly lately, so I have no word for the day.

[Cappuccino]

Kathi doing her usual excellent job & peppering Baez with duct tape questions ... he's spinning & pretending the duct tape is a non-issue:

http://www.wftv.com/video/23521889/index.html

he is still claiming the duct tape wasn't over Caylee's mouth.  In fact he claims it wasn't on her at all.....that is it just something police officers theorized................WAKE UP BOZO!!

They have pictures of this, how do you dispute the pictures? Please, they aren't going in the direction that LE tampered and put the tape on her?

They are seriously out of their ever loving minds!   What are they trying to do combine the OJ and Menedez trials?  Tainted evidence & throw in accusations of sexual abuse for good measure...give me strength!   There is no way that they will win an argument that LE literally placed duct tape in the manner it was found because the simple question will be "were you at the scene to know this for a fact" will be asked by the prosecution & we all know they were not.  In fact they asked the court for immediate access & they were denied until the crime scene was processed & deemed finished, we all remember that ridiculous scene they caused on the end of Suburban Drive with Geraldo's assistance.    At the scene & the coroner's office well documented pictures were undoubtedly properly taken (under seal but the defense has seen).   Additionally, the plant/bug life will disprove their assertion.   Look, it is their obligation to represent their client to the best of their ability (that's laughable in this case) and zealously BUT that does not mean that flat out lying to the potential jury pool would not be a grave error, they are wiser than arrogant attorneys such as this team give them credit for (proof right here on this forum).     It is ridiculous to dispute what is plain as day, they might as well be the first to shout "Dead woman walking." 

[Curly]

Brandi...
     The handcuffs look great on Cindy. Bet they'd look jut as good on George! Too funny.

[Cappuccino]

Brandi...
     The handcuffs look great on Cindy. Bet they'd look jut as good on George! Too funny.

Yes, they do!   Great job as usual Brandi

[Brandi]

Brandi...
     The handcuffs look great on Cindy. Bet they'd look jut as good on George! Too funny.

Yes, they do!   Great job as usual Brandi

heh .. and you would know, Ms. Jailer, handcuff expert!

Brandi looks over at Capp's jailer avatar

[loca]

Kathi doing her usual excellent job & peppering Baez with duct tape questions ... he's spinning & pretending the duct tape is a non-issue:

http://www.wftv.com/video/23521889/index.html

he is still claiming the duct tape wasn't over Caylee's mouth.  In fact he claims it wasn't on her at all.....that is it just something police officers theorized................WAKE UP BOZO!!

They have pictures of this, how do you dispute the pictures? Please, they aren't going in the direction that LE tampered and put the tape on her?

They are seriously out of their ever loving minds!   What are they trying to do combine the OJ and Menedez trials?  Tainted evidence & throw in accusations of sexual abuse for good measure...give me strength!   There is no way that they will win an argument that LE literally placed duct tape in the manner it was found because the simple question will be "were you at the scene to know this for a fact" will be asked by the prosecution & we all know they were not.  In fact they asked the court for immediate access & they were denied until the crime scene was processed & deemed finished, we all remember that ridiculous scene they caused on the end of Suburban Drive with Geraldo's assistance.    At the scene & the coroner's office well documented pictures were undoubtedly properly taken (under seal but the defense has seen).   Additionally, the plant/bug life will disprove their assertion.   Look, it is their obligation to represent their client to the best of their ability (that's laughable in this case) and zealously BUT that does not mean that flat out lying to the potential jury pool would not be a grave error, they are wiser than arrogant attorneys such as this team give them credit for (proof right here on this forum).     It is ridiculous to dispute what is plain as day, they might as well be the first to shout "Dead woman walking." 

how he can say its unusual for the prosecution to ask about the money! he has only been a lawyer shortly how does he know its unusual geez.

[loca]

Kathi doing her usual excellent job & peppering Baez with duct tape questions ... he's spinning & pretending the duct tape is a non-issue:

http://www.wftv.com/video/23521889/index.html

he is still claiming the duct tape wasn't over Caylee's mouth.  In fact he claims it wasn't on her at all.....that is it just something police officers theorized................WAKE UP BOZO!!

They have pictures of this, how do you dispute the pictures? Please, they aren't going in the direction that LE tampered and put the tape on her?

They are seriously out of their ever loving minds!   What are they trying to do combine the OJ and Menedez trials?  Tainted evidence & throw in accusations of sexual abuse for good measure...give me strength!   There is no way that they will win an argument that LE literally placed duct tape in the manner it was found because the simple question will be "were you at the scene to know this for a fact" will be asked by the prosecution & we all know they were not.  In fact they asked the court for immediate access & they were denied until the crime scene was processed & deemed finished, we all remember that ridiculous scene they caused on the end of Suburban Drive with Geraldo's assistance.    At the scene & the coroner's office well documented pictures were undoubtedly properly taken (under seal but the defense has seen).   Additionally, the plant/bug life will disprove their assertion.   Look, it is their obligation to represent their client to the best of their ability (that's laughable in this case) and zealously BUT that does not mean that flat out lying to the potential jury pool would not be a grave error, they are wiser than arrogant attorneys such as this team give them credit for (proof right here on this forum).     It is ridiculous to dispute what is plain as day, they might as well be the first to shout "Dead woman walking." 

yupp dead man walking was a good movie and it would be dead woman walking in this case! baez is a fool that just babbles at the mouth doesnt even sound like he knows himself what he is saying what does he know he had never tried a case like this geez the prosecution will chew him up and spit him out!

[Kat_Gram]

"Jeanene Barrett is the Mitigation Specialist for the Center for Justice in Capital Cases. Baez said that she has spent 384 hours working on the case. That includes many hours investigating Casey’s family and old friends in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere. He stressed that Barrett has a close and personal relationship with Casey and it’s crucial to the case that this bond is kept. The judge agreed it would be less expensive and unfair to hire someone new, but the JAC attorney was quick to point out that the rate for investigators and specialists will drop from $50 to $40 per hour on July 1 of this year. GRANTED."
I looked this woman up. She was a Social Worker and specialized in children.
................
I don't know if this had been posted before, but it seems to me they are looking at Ants
with a magnifying glass. In the hot sun. That is alot of hours ! This woman is looking for reasons WHY the death penalty should not be applied and the reason is :
Cindy and George.

[ISpy]

Evening, everyone!  Been following along lately, not much to add as you all have been a fine job yourselves!  Had to jump in on seeing this though...it's the first shot of Casey as the door to the courtroom opens http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/23515589/detail.html.  It instantly flashed me back to the infamous pic of her strutting in her Target bought-with-Amy's-stolen-money blue hoodie, after she lead police on a goose chase to Universal, Sawgrass, and "Zanny's".  I see the same excitement here in her eyes as in that pic.  It's a game to her.  Conniving Casey, who's always been allowed to lie/distract/tantrum/manipulate her way out of every situation, is thrilled with the challenge of trying to pull this one off.  That's the whole point of having Andrea Lyons-she's just another attorney who uses smoke and mirrors to derail the real issue at hand.
I'm sure this has probably been mentioned too, but think back to the last time you cried.  Have you ever "examined" every tear you wiped away?  Did you repeatedly run the same piece of tissue under your eye for 5-10 seconds? Who cries like this??? Oh, puhleez!  I'm not buying Casey's crying act...she's a horrible actress because once again, we can clearly see the disconnect between what she thinks she should be doing and what her body actually does. Grieving (or even offended/angry) people don't cry one tear at a time, wipe eye #1 and examine the tear, wipe eye#2 and examine the tear, wipe eye #1 and examine the tear, and so on.  Their whole body is involved in the process as their shoulders heave, their face flushes, their nose runs enough to blow, and they appear distraught.  Not seeing any of this with Casey.  I've yet to see one grieving person (and I've seen lots of them, trust me) wipe their eyes as methodically as Casey does with her tissue.  But then again, if you watched yesterday's hearing, you saw Casey carefully and methodically "square" the piece of paper Baez gave her at the beginning of court with the edge of the table with her fingertips.  It appears Casey is methodical in more than one way: thinking of her computer browser choices; her systematic emptying of Amy's checking account; her methodical reproduction of Cindy & George's bank deposit ticket (the fake BOA deposit "repaying" her parents for stolen funds); the methodical lies she told .to various people regarding Caylee's whereabouts (and her ability to perpetrate simultaneous stories), the methodical lies involved in her ongoing "work schedule", and the methodical searches for chloroform/neck-breaking/household weapons/missing children.  Yes, Casey is indeed methodical.  JMO, but I believe she was planning to off George.  Logically speaking, as former LE, he'd likely be most able to defend himself in the event of an attack (as well as having a temper, with a history of distrusting Casey).
Like everybody else here, IMO Casey only said the "Happy Mother's Day. I love you ." bit because she was prompted.  The fact is she needs something from Cindy & George.  If her defense is really going to make the mitigating circumstances fly, they're going to need Cindy & George's cooperation.  One or both of them is going to have to "admit" they mistreated her to whatever extent.  In other words, the deal is someone is going to have to be the sacrifice to save Casey.  Judging from George's reaction to Casey's little cameo to Cindy, it won't be George.  Casey's playing nice to save herself and doesn't care one bit that one or both of her parents will be destroyed in the process.  The question is will either parent sacrifice themselves for her?  If so, which one? Cindy commented to George after Casey's delivery and George stridently rejected (read his lips) her comment, causing Cindy to look both worried and weary.  Methinks George is under some pressure to cop a plea on the sexual abuse issue "for Casey's sake" and he's unwilling (I don't blame him a bit-provided he's innocent).  To me, CA & GA are a house divided.  Cindy wants to save Casey at all cost to save Cindy.  George will not, as noted by his absence today (IMO).  I also think Conway has had a meeting of the minds with CA & Ga and bluntly told them Casey's throwing them under the bus (be prepared for the worst, etc.) because Cindy looked like death warmed over at yesterday's hearing and George's face looked chiseled with steely eyes.  I pray they have the sense to let Casey fall this time, instead of swooping in to "rescue" her to their own destruction.  All MOO, not that 'ya asked.   

[ISpy]

Well, calling it a done deal here...got an early a.m. meeting.  Take good care all and God bless you!

[Kat_Gram]

I cry infrequently and don't look in a mirror while I am doing it. When I see ppl cry for real, colors of the face change. Casey is looking to see if any makeup is on the kleenex. IMO

[Puzzler]

No prob Sister, I only listed the ones that I think will be applicable in this case, there are several more.

Im watching Trutv repeat the hearing & this time I gotta say I'm enjoying (for lack of a better word) it tenfold from the first time around.   Lyon was not impressive at all, nor compelling.   Actually, she bumbled quite a bit & certainly didnt prepare her witness very well...that was a mockery to our judicial system presenting such dribble & an embarrassment to Lyon whom could not lift her witness to credible status.   Ashton didn't even have a chance to prepare or review this woman's background other than what was proffered & presented during testimony & he took her to the wall on the fly.   PITiFUL!

If this was any indication of how Lyon's going to fight for KC's life to a jury, I'd start picking the menu for my last meal if I was KC.
Ya get what you pay for my daddy always told me....

Lyon was NOT impressive today....I kept waiting for her to impress me...it never came.

[Puzzler]

I took a break too, and when I got back to the computer, grabbed this shot:

Is Georgette there?

Sad, I don't think any parent wants their child (monster as this one may be) to die. Cindy knows Casey's going to be convicted.

Don't think George is there. No one has seen him. Maybe he is sensitive to the word, "death."

 

What a shot.  Wonder if Rosebud is practicing for handcuffs when the karma train catches up with her as well. 

Cindy looks appropriately scared and concerned for what's going on in court; whereas, KC looks like she's still in her own world, not scared, occasionally angry because you see that jaw clinch.

The one or two tears at the mention of Caylee I'm thinking is only because it was Mother's Day and "maybe" it got to her.

She'll be all over that by the next time she's in court.

Cutting her NO slack here...

I agree Puzzler, that is an appropriate look for Cindy... And yet, for it to be convincing it would have had to have been there from the first day in court, to the elevators, to the parking lot, thruout the endless media interviews, to the car, at home and everywhere she goes.  The fact that she turns it on and off so easily, makes it quite apparent that she also has been coached by someone.  And that just makes me sick and disgusted.  No one would have had to coach me and likely none of the rest of the monkeys either. 

Ohhhh! That infamous display she and George put on when they took their depositions re: "Zany"!! 

[Puzzler]

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/

Casey Anthony’s Flirtatious Body Language With Jose Baez May Show Her “ Zoned Out” Courtroom Appearance May Be An Act
May 11th, 2010

IS CASEY’S SUDDEN STOIC COURTROOM DEMEANOR DUE TO HER BEING ZONED OUT ON MEDICATION OR IS IT DONE ON PURPOSE?

[carpe noctem]

George is off. It does not take a brain surgeon to come up with that.

We know he is a womanizer and an addict. Terribly insecure guy, full of rage. We've seen that.

His language (to me) suggest he likes young girls too.

He says 3 determined women... and he is not joking.

He says he is fortunate/ still fortunate to live in a house with...
 
He's lucky he still gets to live in that house... he knows it. Cindy allows it.






Caylee's Memorial - Where pretty much Cindy was the only person who could say Caylee's name.


George:

smell her hair, smell the sweet sweat when she came in from outside. To hear her call me JoJo, sure I was Grand Pa but I was JoJo to her. Some days when I wouldn’t maybe just pay attn to her for just a second, she would get right in my face JoJo, Grand Pa, Grandpa JoJo, (imitating Caylee) George, she knew me, she knew how to push me to smile at her and hug her.

He can't even say her name here... he just refers to "a small child"

I tell everyone its so great to get a hug from someone but to get a hug from a small child- that gives me energy like you cannot imagine.


but I was fortunate and I’m still fortunate to live in a house w/3 very determined women in my life.


I can close my eyes and I can see her coming from her bedroom, w/her silly little glasses on or her beads whatever it might be to make me laugh.

He belittles. Not cute glasses, they are silly. Her bedroom is where he sees her coming from.


I have a locket right now w/me and it has “My sunshine my Caylee” on it, when that was placed on me just a few days ago, the warmth inside of me, I felt her, not only every day but I really felt her more and more.

It was placed on him... by a mad roaming silly little fairy locket placer.


Oh my God, grow up, but you can’t grow up w/a small child around you, you never grow up we’re still children at heart.


Veggie Tales, some of you might know what Veggie Tales are- wow you talk about a meaning in Veggie Tales, what they inspire, the spiritual aspiration of what Veggie Tales are– if you don’t know what it is pls get some for you children, or grandchildren or better yet, just sit down and watch it yourself.

Okay.



I’m not going to say how much I’m going to miss things that I won’t be able to do w/her bc someday I’ll be able to hold her hand again in God’s heaven, I’ll be able to take her on wagon rides, I’ll be able to kiss her, I’ll be able to smell her again.


http://citizenkim.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/transcripts-of-familys-speeches-at-caylees-memorial/

Yeah, I know, people have certain smells.

Don't take my head off! I am not saying George harmed Caylee. Casey took care of that.


I'm just saying -  George is the kind of guy, you might want to keep your eye on.

His Veggie Tales DVD doesn't start all the way at the beginning... if you know what I mean.


George:
 I sang Sponge Bob Square Pants song w/her and as hard as it was for my voice to do that…. (sings a bit of the song – Cindy says do it- a moment of levity) you know how it goes and you know something she would try to do it in that little gravely deep voice that she had and we would dance around the house....

It must have been her giving him that Sponge Bob come hither look! 


Whatever. He ain't right. He should just let Hitler Cindy do all the talking.

[Rowanvamp0]

Maybe George is bowling for dollars    I didn't realize that thing was sewn into her dress.  I personally don't think she will get the DP, but if she would, I don't see either parent showing up for that.

lol Rose
doesn't Baez look pissed and disgusted maybe cuz he aint the one speaking /babbling.

Yes, and I would love to know what he was looking at and typing away. Maybe E Harmony?

Okay I've been wondering about that too so take a look at video number 4 of the 5/11/10 hearing and at the 12:40-12:44 min mark you can get a close look of the screen.  I do not know how to screen capture but maybe someone here, CAPP?? can get it for us.  Maybe it can be enlarged some..I'm most curious to see being as he was in front of the Judge but clearly not there only "in person" as anyone can see.  What possibly could be so important besides your CLIENT who is on DEATH ROW??? 

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/
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