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« Reply #180 on: May 23, 2010, 10:48:54 PM »

I wanted to share this article from The Hinky Meter that Val shared last October.
It has links to all of the DNA charts.

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About Caylee’s Parentage

Posted on October 31st, 2009 by Valhall

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/10/31/about-caylees-parentage/




Thank you very much Karma.  I never thought that George was the father or Lee.  I also do not believe Casey's stories about her brother and father touching her or having sex with her.  It's just one more Casey lie.

I do wonder at Jesus though being the father.  Does anyone know if his DNA was tested and what the results were.  I thought that the DNA was tested but we never heard about those results. 
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« Reply #181 on: May 23, 2010, 11:18:46 PM »

My musings Part II from last night

When Tony picked up KC in front of the check cashing place, she had frozen food from her freezer in bags from home. Could it be that she needed the space in the freezer for Caylee for a few days until she could get back there and move the body?  How easy it would be to take everything out of the freezer sit it aside put the body in the bottom and then cover it all back up with the other food; hide the key for a day and get back to moving the body later?  Since the body was not in the car at that time it had to be somewhere.  Which takes me to the “grave wax.” They did find grave wax on a paper towel in the trunk and grave wax (Adipocere) on the hair according to the FBI report.
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0521/23631365.pdf

http://www.wesh.com/news/21714207/detail.html

Going back to the freezer and the grave wax. Many times bodies which have been frozen in a closed bag or container will develop grave wax because of the lack of air circulation.  A small child with fatty tissue would be more susceptible to grave wax. I have had my suspicions about that freezer from the beginning. KC backed her car in the garage on Monday after the 15th weekend. If she could not get the baby buried in the back yard, then what about stuffing her in garbage bags and putting her in the freezer with the other food on top of her for a few days until she could get rid of the body. If she did put her in the freezer when she put her in the car trunk again, the body would almost immediately go to mush in the Florida heat. KC never thought about that happening and that is why the fluids leaked all over the trunk. If she put her in there during the day while the Anthony’s were gone by the time night time came where she could dump it, it would have been mush and all it would take would be a small prick in the bag for it to spew all over that trunk when she got the body out. She could have caught the bag on anything, including the trunk latch and opps…………..maybe she even made a small hole in the bag when getting it out of the freezer and the seepage was fast and furious once the heat of the day came.
I really don’t think she had dumped it right away. I think she used Tony’s car to dump the body so no one would recognize hers there. If you remember he left right after that to go to NYC and she kept his car.   If I remember correctly, he did give LE his vehicle to inspect and there has been no documents available on that yet. There was also the “break in” at his apartment while he was gone. I believe that was her also because he would not let her have his key. Whatever she had hidden there she had to get.
 
Something which I have considered is the federal government can “snapshot” any time period with satellite and I wonder if the FBI has those snapshots of the location of the body for the dates from June 16th to July which they are going to use. It would show any car there day or night and could identify anyone in the pictures. It is amazing what NASA has of that area. The timing would be about right for the FBI to get those satellite shots when they decided on the death penalty.

I have always believed she tried to originally put the baby in the back yard but could not dig a hole with the hard dirt so she scrapped that plan after dropping decomp all over the place or she tried to rinse off the blankets she used to hide the baby in right after she first killed her.  I can’t decide where she killed her. I still think right there in that house. My reasoning for that is she went back there during the days when everyone was at work.  If she didn’t kill her there she killed her in the car the night she left their house in a rage and then went back there the next day to try to do something with the body.  She was seen walking around a hotel parking lot in the phone.

I had originally thought she went to Lee’s first that night because of closeness of his house. It was told that he was in Chicago that night but I am not so sure about that. He was the one who told about CA choking KC. He told it in the first person then told that GA told him about it so what the truth is about that who knows? 
He also told it as a June 9th event and we all know now from the neighbor’s account it was the 15th. They kind of messed up the “script” when choosing their dates to use between the neighbor’s account of the evening and the nursing home.  The confusion of the date also led me to believe they had a script.  NO ONE forgets the last time they saw their grandbaby forever.  They were so busy trying to cover up for KC they got it mixed up.  I am not even sure they were going to tell anything about the nursing home at all but the police took the computer and cameras then found it. Maybe there was a reason why the 9th of June had to be the script date that we don’t know yet.

The story GA told about the last time he saw her and KC never resonated right with me. His total recall of the times and then the description of their clothing was nonsense for a man. Men are not that perceptive about clothing or time.  He had all of that down too pat and of course the clothing description we all know now was totally different than what Caylee was found in. Of course it was because she was already dead that day. They made all of that up.  He told once that he fed Caylee breakfast then he told another time that they came out of the room like they did everyday about that time.  So how could she be working (which he knew she wasn’t) if she did not come out of her room until after noon?  CA said she did not see Caylee or KC that morning. What 2 year old is going to stay in their room with NO FOOD until noon? What did GA and KC hide from CA while she was at work on a regular bais?  I have always thought between GA’s gambling and the Craig’s list ads something else was going on in the household between GA & KC.  Not necessarily sexual at that time, but maybe an escort service, drugs or something else. I just have had a feeling there is a lot more to come out. GA was not surprised at the “photos” of KC on the web and he was the only one they showed the pictures to. Why not Lee or CA? Interesting.  I also have my doubts about how honest and involved Annie was in KC’s life. Something is just not right there either.

I keep thinking there was some reason KC went to Jessie’s apartment that day “to take a shower.” There was something in that house she wanted to try to use to later incriminate Jesse. Her mother was furious at his parents by that time and she was up to something. I always wondered if she tried to get some hair from his brush or something from his place which she could use later to implicate him although no one but her knew Caylee was dead at that time. She KNEW she was dead.  Since she was talking to GA at that time on their “side phones” could he have already have known Caylee was dead and advised her on this? I still do not see GA as the helpless victim in all of this. I see him as very involved on so many levels. Like LE said “you know a lot about a lot of things.”

Still thinking...............more later..........
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« Reply #182 on: May 23, 2010, 11:27:50 PM »


snipped mine..............

I have been convinced from the beginning there is a deep secret this family was hiding about the father of Caylee as I have also been convinced it is a huge contributing factor the the murder.

Well, they can try but on rebuttal the State will crucify them with their own experts.

As far as "things are going to come out..." it could be as simple as affairs, money trouble, stealing, etc that we already known about or something darker.

In regards to the DNA results being sealed, they often are in high profile murder cases until trial.  Lee could have just been defiant because it was well known when he became angry with LE after he was taped in Tony's car & perhaps because he helped with Casey's car after the fact, its obvious it wasnt due to paternity.   Speaking of which, I think it is important to remember that it would be an extremely minuscule probability that a brother and father were both assaulting within the same family.

Cindy may have said that because she or Casey doesnt even know themselves or she could have meant that they would never disclose it so for me her comment doesn't make me automatically go toward an incest scenario.   Same thing with Casey, it could have been any number of things that Cindy was worried she did not want out for all to hear...with this family the list is long & not the least of which what Cindy, George & Lee did to help conceal what Casey did as accessories after the fact (they all should be charged but Im not confident it will be done).    Cindy probably gave the wrong hair brush purposely to the FBI because in her feeble mind she thought it would make it difficult for them to match up Casey's and Caylee's DNA to the crime scenes, Casey's trunk, Surburban Dr woods & maybe a third.  I think she was intentionally trying to alter the DNA results to destroy any chance the DNA could be entered into evidence - PS I think she had assistance with that thought because she isnt that sophisticated in thought or knowledge.  The other reasons is Cindy is just that mean spirited as her spawn monster, she seemed to take pleasure giving LE a hard time & she brushed Caylee to the side as soon as she didnt call 911 from the tow yard, IMHO from July 15th on it was about protecting Casey no matter what she said to the contrary.


Believe it or not, that is VERY common for an older brother and a father to molest the same child. It is seen quite often in families where incest occurs. Many times of the child is molested young she will "act out" with her brother in the same way she learned to act out with her father for "favors" within the family.

I'd like to see those studies with statistics.

There are a number of studies available but here is one which defines it well from Canada

http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/incestuous-sex-offenders.html

Tks, this link did not speak to what I was looking for and that is the frequency of within the same family a father & son both sexually assaulting the same child/sibling
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« Reply #183 on: May 23, 2010, 11:29:54 PM »


There are a number of studies available but here is one which defines it well from Canada

http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/incestuous-sex-offenders.html

Tks, this link did not speak to what I was looking for and that is the frequency of within the same family a father & son both sexually assaulting the same child/sibling

It was in one of the links - an abstract.
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« Reply #184 on: May 23, 2010, 11:32:22 PM »

Something I left off that last musing was it was very interesting to me that the Anthonys got rid of their washer, dryer, and freezer and replaced them after Caylee was missing. WHO would even think of doing something like that when their grand child was missing and they were claiming at that time kidnapped. 
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« Reply #185 on: May 23, 2010, 11:46:33 PM »

Judge Perry - Where did you get this information of Caylee`s father?

Ashton: Uh, Val Hall at The Hinky Meter... Brenda Banana helped... care for an email address?

Judge Perry - Next!


 

Sorry, Val is very intelligent... but she ain`t THE ORACLE OF DELPHI.

 Valhall said: { Nov 1, 2009 - 05:11:56 }

justme,

I really don’t think it is fair to call some one who wants to eliminate these possibilities “sick” considering the rumors initiated based off statements made by Casey herself of improper sexual advances by her brother and insinuations of abuse by her father.


I agree with that, Val.


I wish people wouldn`t get so worked up about something that the family has brought on themselves by their very own behaviors and allegations. I guess it is a testament to how the general public feels about incest. The thought of it makes me do the shivering icky dance too.

...but to me the truth is the truth, and I am waiting to get to it. Hopefully, when this thing comes to trial... or before I die... whichever comes first.

Look,I do enjoy your posts and all I was doing was sharing what I thought was in evidence....DNA charts etc.I did not read the charts.
Guess I will get around to reading them soon though.
I too believe the George could be the father.
Back to my usual reading and no posting mode.
 

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« Reply #186 on: May 23, 2010, 11:53:27 PM »



The reason I think Cindy tampered with any and all evidence she could get her hands on is that Cindy thought Casey was guilty.  There is no other explanation for it.  If she really wanted to catch the person who last had Caylee, Cindy would have run to the person who asked, with anything and everything that was needed to find her Granddaughter.  She washed pants, washed the knife, and other evidence in a car that smelled like a dead body was in the damn trunk. 

If she thought Casey was innocent, she would have wanted to preserve evidence, instead she admittedly gave the wrong hairbrush to the authorities with glee, destroyed evidence, withheld receipts, etc. and lied her azz off to make sure the trail to find her Granddaughter was detoured as many times as she could possibly do it.  She wanted the trail to be as cold as she is.

 

Bearly, I agree....she knew from the moment she got Kc and Kc wouldn't take her to Caylee....SHE KNEW! At that point she went into protect Kc mode. Caylee was DEAD

George knew first, important because he said he was scared to open the trunk of the car because he might find Caylee inside, he said this in front of witnesses. He was a homicide cop so he knew it was important to preserve what was in the trunk...however by the time they got the car home it was a sure bet that they discussed the possibility of Caylee being deceased and decided to sanitize the crime scene. Cindy was of course equally culpable, in light of this I can't understand why charges were never bought against them. I only hope that this will change after KC's been sentenced. I can't abide either of these people.

I am pretty sure the reason there have been no charges so far is they need them  to testify in the murder trial and to charge them before the trial would allow them to plead the 5th on everything they are asked.

I do believe they will be charged for conspiracy after the trial...........They may even use the R.I.C.O. Act to charge them since they have set up these non profits and collected money.

I'm of the same opinion.
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« Reply #187 on: May 24, 2010, 12:27:33 AM »

Bingo, Turbo.

 
"Something which I have considered is the federal government can “snapshot” any time period with satellite and I wonder if the FBI has those snapshots of the location of the body for the dates from June 16th to July which they are going to use. It would show any car there day or night and could identify anyone in the pictures. It is amazing what NASA has of that area
. The timing would be about right for the FBI to get those satellite shots when they decided on the death penalty."

I wonder if they can search until they find exactly what they're looking for..Like the disposal of the body, what she was doing with the shovel, etc?

I just read about a case recently where satellite imaging was used to determine the last known whereabouts of a woman that was missing. I remember being so impressed with it, but I can't remember which case it was or where I read about it.
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« Reply #188 on: May 24, 2010, 12:32:28 AM »

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As far as the script goes, IMHO the Anthonys did not get confused or mess up the script, they based the script on the date Casey gave them and then they all bounced off of that.  Casey told them she dropped Caylee off to "Zanny" at Sawgrass 6/9 Monday & she went to work.

It is my belief that Caylee was killed no later than the morning of June 16th, my suspicion has always been right there at the house.  I agree George did not see them the next day at lunch time leaving the house.   The fact that Casey was arm-in-arm with Tony at Blockbuster the evening of 6/16 approx 8PM to rent murder movies of all things, tells me that Casey was moving forward already to live "La Bella Vita."  To me, an example of just how cold hearted and calculated she is. 

Not sure about the freezer after the fact but what if she put her in there BEFORE the car because after a few days evidence would have dripped from the trunk onto the garage floor & the freezer if it was the opposite way around in the obvious condition it would have been in as well as the stain that was found in the trunk.   They luminol'd the house, I'm not sure if we saw that the garage was included but I would imagine it would have or should I say would be expected to have been. We know the Anthonys all took part in cleaning up after Casey, but as we all know very rarely does anyone manage to get rid of everything evidentiary, something is always left behind.   If there is nothing found, one has to also think that maybe it did not take place at the house, maybe returned to the yard but not inside.   There is much to ponder in this case.  There is a side door to the garage in addition to the 2 car wide garage door.  There is a lot to ponder about this case presently.   Maybe she rode around for a week or more because she felt "comfortable" doing so in frozen state, that is until she realized it didnt last as long as she thought it would have.  She noticed when she started having to make excuses for the smell in her car & then panicking deciding where but close to get rid of her "big trouble comes in small packages" then abandoning her car.   If the car was having problems as she told others, why didnt she call a mechanic or get it towed?  Why did she refuse Tony's assistance on 6/27 giving the excuse her father would take care of it the next day when the car was towed 3 days later from Amscot?  Why did her cell pings indicate that she was at the Amscot location on more than one occasion?

I'm so sorry sweet Caylee to have to speak of you in such graphic detail, blessed be as horrid as it is I trust the truth will prevail & justice will be served in your name  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #189 on: May 24, 2010, 12:43:31 AM »

Another thing that's always bothered me is the day Casey wouldn't let George into the trunk. Was Caylee there, and if she was, why wasn't there any kind of odor?

You'd also think that the decomp. odor from the car would penetrate into Casey's clothes, hair, skin and pores.
How could no one smell this on her?

I once rode in my friend's car in the FL. summer and something stunk in the car. We couldn't find it and it was getting us sick. I felt like it was all over me, so we switched cars, got to the beach and jumped in the water.  She calls the next day to say it was a tiny piece of onion from a fast food burger that she eventually found in the back seat, and had to take the car to be detailed.  We laughed about it for weeks, so I can only imagine the intensity of the odor of decomposition, and find it crazy that Casey didn't smell from it and that no one else smelled anything odd on her, assuming that she wouldn't let anyone into her car.
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« Reply #190 on: May 24, 2010, 12:47:50 AM »

Bingo, Turbo.

 
"Something which I have considered is the federal government can “snapshot” any time period with satellite and I wonder if the FBI has those snapshots of the location of the body for the dates from June 16th to July which they are going to use. It would show any car there day or night and could identify anyone in the pictures. It is amazing what NASA has of that area
. The timing would be about right for the FBI to get those satellite shots when they decided on the death penalty."

I wonder if they can search until they find exactly what they're looking for..Like the disposal of the body, what she was doing with the shovel, etc?

I just read about a case recently where satellite imaging was used to determine the last known whereabouts of a woman that was missing. I remember being so impressed with it, but I can't remember which case it was or where I read about it.

I have read about a number of situations where they have been able to pinpoint within minutes the person and what they were doing. It is rather scary if you think about how anyone of us could be watched at any given time.

I read where the images are available for years, so it is not like they are lost, just how much money would a DA need to spend to get the snapshots. I think I read where it is not that expensive if it is within 120 days but after that it starts getting pricey. The discovery of the body would be pressing the envelope time wise but would have been under that 120 days time line.

I read where they used the images to find a plane that had been missing over 2 years, so it may not be as pricey as one would think.
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« Reply #191 on: May 24, 2010, 12:55:47 AM »

Another thing that's always bothered me is the day Casey wouldn't let George into the trunk. Was Caylee there, and if she was, why wasn't there any kind of odor?

You'd also think that the decomp. odor from the car would penetrate into Casey's clothes, hair, skin and pores.
How could no one smell this on her?

I once rode in my friend's car in the FL. summer and something stunk in the car. We couldn't find it and it was getting us sick. I felt like it was all over me, so we switched cars, got to the beach and jumped in the water.  She calls the next day to say it was a tiny piece of onion from a fast food burger that she eventually found in the back seat, and had to take the car to be detailed.  We laughed about it for weeks, so I can only imagine the intensity of the odor of decomposition, and find it crazy that Casey didn't smell from it and that no one else smelled anything odd on her, assuming that she wouldn't let anyone into her car.


Very good point. I have considered that was all a lie too OR the body was in the freezer at that time and had not had all the decomp spilled in it yet.

He did say she threw the cans out of the car cussing and closed the trunk I think. It could be the body was in the car at the time - she had come home - got it out of the freezer - he pulled up and he caught her with it. Then he used the "pretense" he wanted his tools. That family used "pretense" all the time not to offend her so I can see him saying that.

It could also be he DID smell it but ignored it. Remember there was that tale she told everyone about the squirrels she ran over and how GA would "take care of it" to her friends.
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« Reply #192 on: May 24, 2010, 01:02:57 AM »

Another thing that's always bothered me is the day Casey wouldn't let George into the trunk. Was Caylee there, and if she was, why wasn't there any kind of odor?

You'd also think that the decomp. odor from the car would penetrate into Casey's clothes, hair, skin and pores.
How could no one smell this on her?

I once rode in my friend's car in the FL. summer and something stunk in the car. We couldn't find it and it was getting us sick. I felt like it was all over me, so we switched cars, got to the beach and jumped in the water.  She calls the next day to say it was a tiny piece of onion from a fast food burger that she eventually found in the back seat, and had to take the car to be detailed.  We laughed about it for weeks, so I can only imagine the intensity of the odor of decomposition, and find it crazy that Casey didn't smell from it and that no one else smelled anything odd on her, assuming that she wouldn't let anyone into her car.


Very good point. I have considered that was all a lie too OR the body was in the freezer at that time and had not had all the decomp spilled in it yet.

He did say she threw the cans out of the car cussing and closed the trunk I think. It could be the body was in the car at the time - she had come home - got it out of the freezer - he pulled up and he caught her with it. Then he used the "pretense" he wanted his tools. That family used "pretense" all the time not to offend her so I can see him saying that.

It could also be he DID smell it but ignored it. Remember there was that tale she told everyone about the squirrels she ran over and how GA would "take care of it" to her friends.

Correction - looking back over some of the documents, KC told Amy that GA ran over the squirrel. Then IIRC she told Lee that there were two squirrels run over.
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Look,I do enjoy your posts and all I was doing was sharing what I thought was in evidence....DNA charts etc.I did not read the charts.
Guess I will get around to reading them soon though.
I too believe the George could be the father.
Back to my usual reading and no posting mode.
 


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« Reply #194 on: May 24, 2010, 01:20:33 AM »

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As far as the script goes, IMHO the Anthonys did not get confused or mess up the script, they based the script on the date Casey gave them and then they all bounced off of that.  Casey told them she dropped Caylee off to "Zanny" at Sawgrass 6/9 Monday & she went to work.

It is my belief that Caylee was killed no later than the morning of June 16th, my suspicion has always been right there at the house.  I agree George did not see them the next day at lunch time leaving the house.   The fact that Casey was arm-in-arm with Tony at Blockbuster the evening of 6/16 approx 8PM to rent murder movies of all things, tells me that Casey was moving forward already to live "La Bella Vita."  To me, an example of just how cold hearted and calculated she is. 

Not sure about the freezer after the fact but what if she put her in there BEFORE the car because after a few days evidence would have dripped from the trunk onto the garage floor & the freezer if it was the opposite way around in the obvious condition it would have been in as well as the stain that was found in the trunk.   They luminol'd the house, I'm not sure if we saw that the garage was included but I would imagine it would have or should I say would be expected to have been. We know the Anthonys all took part in cleaning up after Casey, but as we all know very rarely does anyone manage to get rid of everything evidentiary, something is always left behind.   If there is nothing found, one has to also think that maybe it did not take place at the house, maybe returned to the yard but not inside.   There is much to ponder in this case.  There is a side door to the garage in addition to the 2 car wide garage door.  There is a lot to ponder about this case presently.   Maybe she rode around for a week or more because she felt "comfortable" doing so in frozen state, that is until she realized it didnt last as long as she thought it would have.  She noticed when she started having to make excuses for the smell in her car & then panicking deciding where but close to get rid of her "big trouble comes in small packages" then abandoning her car.   If the car was having problems as she told others, why didnt she call a mechanic or get it towed?  Why did she refuse Tony's assistance on 6/27 giving the excuse her father would take care of it the next day when the car was towed 3 days later from Amscot?  Why did her cell pings indicate that she was at the Amscot location on more than one occasion?

I'm so sorry sweet Caylee to have to speak of you in such graphic detail, blessed be as horrid as it is I trust the truth will prevail & justice will be served in your name  an angelic monkey

Good points............I agree the baby was dead on the day of the 16th. What happened next we have yet to see. I believe she maybe tried to hide her in the back yard because of the cadaver dog hits and that tree being dug up. I don't know why that tree thing jumped out at me but it did.  I think I remember CA saying something about it during that interview with Greta. I will have to re-watch that again.

If she couldn't bury her and she needed to get out of that house before CA got home the day of the 16th, the freezer would be the perfect place. Dump a bunch of food put Caylee in garbage bags from the garage and put her on the bottom with the food on top of her. It was a large chest freezer IIRC, so that would be easy for a child that size. I am sure they had it locked if for no other reason but to keep Caylee from accidentally getting in it. Then hide the key so GA or CA could not get into it for a few days until she could move the body. Most likely they would not anyway but KC couldn't take that chance either. I would like to know if on the 16th she took bags of food to Tony's house as she did when he picked her up at Amscot.

Now, something that could have happened was she did leave her in the car too long at first, hence the decomp and then moved her to the freezer until she could get rid of the body. If that was the case what if GA found the body and did away with it? What if KC went back to get it and it was gone. Now that would really be a p*sser. LOL I do think she is the one who threw it away because of where it was, but who knows there were also those pavers there which matched the ones at their house too.
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« Reply #195 on: May 24, 2010, 04:45:25 AM »


Look,I do enjoy your posts and all I was doing was sharing what I thought was in evidence....DNA charts etc.I did not read the charts.
Guess I will get around to reading them soon though.
I too believe the George could be the father.
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I just ran into that HM article yesterday and didn't read the links within before posting it which I should have.
 
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« Reply #196 on: May 24, 2010, 08:23:30 AM »

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« Reply #197 on: May 24, 2010, 09:41:32 AM »

Good Morning Monks!! I hope everyone had a good weekend.  Carpe and Karma
Some subjects bring out more passion than others.  Caylee's parentage is one of those. Thanks to both of you for all you bring to SM.

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« Reply #198 on: May 24, 2010, 09:48:51 AM »

A friend just sent this to me from in sessions....it's a good list of what's to come so I thought I'd share it.  I think it might be a good idea to ask Klaas to put this on a separate thread as a sticky....something we can refer to and make changes to as necessary...Oh tyrannical leader...what ya think??
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=368493


Calendar of Events
Amended Order Setting Discovery, Motion and Hearing Deadlines and Trial Date - http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...ial%20Date.pdf
http://humbleopinionforum.net/calendar-of-events/
Defense Depo Schedule - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23583181/detail.html

Criminal Trial -

May 28, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule – Debbie Bennett, Cindy’s co-worker; Brian Burner – Anthony’s neighbor; J.P. Chatt – Ricardo and Amy’s roommate; Nathan Lenniwitz – Tone’s roommate/friend; Samara Melich – OCSO

June 1, 2010 – Motion hearing - to keep public records about Casey's visitors at the jail private; review some previous rulings made by Judge Stan Strickland - http://www.wftv.com/news/23631617/detail.html

June 4, 2010 - Defense Team Depo Schedule - Kristen Brewer – OCSO; Jason Forgey – OCSO; Ricardo Morales – ex-boyfriend of Casey’s

June 11, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - John Allen - OCSO

June 16, 2010 – 12:00 p.m. State’s response on DP motions due.

June 17, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Scott Bolin – FBI; Steven McElyea – FBI; Dawn Murphy – Dept. Children and Family Services; Carlos Padilla – OCSO; Angelo Nieves - OCSO

June 21, 2010 – status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

June 28, 2010 – 12:00 p.m. – Defense reply DP motions due.

July 2, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Kathleen Ramsey – Hidden Oaks Elementary School; Rick Plesea – Casey’s maternal uncle; Shirley Plesea – Casey’s maternal grandmother; Carolyn Roderick – OCSO

July 9, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Gary Utz – District 9 Medical Examiner’s Office; Jan Garavaglia – District 9 Medical Examiner’s office

July 16, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Geardo Bloise – OCSO; Michael Vincent – OCSO; Jennifer Welch - OCSO

July 20, 2010 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

July 23, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Anthony Rusciano – former police officer – ex-boyfriend of Casey’s; Richard Cain – former police officer – responded to R. Kronk’s August 2008 calls; Nikolas Savage – OCSO

July 30, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Richard Grund – father of Jesse, Casey’s ex-finance; Jesse Grund – Casey’s ex-finance

August 6, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Amy Huizenga – Casey cleared out Amy’s checking account; Roy Kronk – found Caylee; Keith Williams – searched Suburban Drive in August

August 13, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - James Jawitz – did water study of area where Caylee was found; Anthony Lazzaro – Casey’s boyfriend when Caylee was reported missing

August 20, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - C. Douglas Clark – University of Central Florida; Steve Hanson – District 9 Medical Examiner’s Office; John Schultz – University of Central Florida

August 27, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Michael Sigman – University of Central Florida; William Edwards - OCSO

August 30, 2010 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

August 31, 2010 – all other witnesses be listed.

September 3, 2010 – Defense Team Depo Schedule - Yuri Melich, OCSO

September 27, 2010 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

September 30, 2010 – depos of expert witnesses listed by the State of Florida be completed; depos of LE or employees completed.

October 29, 2010 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

October 31, 2010 – evidence review by defense expert witnesses be completed; non-forensic/scientific evidentiary motions be filed; depos of all other witnesses completed.

November 29, 2010 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

November 30, 2010 – defense list all expert witnesses to be called at hearing or trial; provide reports by those expert witnesses; file motions related to forensic/scientific evidence; all penalty phase witnesses listed.

December 31, 2010 - non-forensic/scientific evidentiary motions be heard; non-forensic/scientific motions not requiring testimony shall be heard.

January 10, 2011 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

February 4, 2011 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

February 28, 2011 – depos of defense expert witnesses completed; motions related to forensic/scientific evidence completed; all depos of penalty phase witnesses completed.

March 4, 2011 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

April 8, 2011 - status conference – 1:30 p.m. – courtroom 23A*

May 9, 2011 – trial

*Defendant is not required to appear for status hearings. No motions will be heard during status hearings.

Civil Trial -

June 7, 2010 - Judge will set this as the date of the civil suit if an amount agreement is not reached

George & Cindy -

May 20, 2010 - Foreclosure Hearing, Judge Julie O’Kane 8:30AM - canceled, ordered into mediation

June 23, 2010 - Anthony Foreclosure Hearing 9:45 a.m.
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« Reply #199 on: May 24, 2010, 09:59:36 AM »

Question please?  Is it a fact that the A's replaced a freezer, washer, and dryer?  I really don't remeber reading that early on, and very disturbing....
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