Lively Case Discussion #495 7/15 - 7/16/2006

[Sleuth]

The Big Hammer

sandy leiva noticed Klaasend's question about the rest of the article, so hopefully is reviewing it for further information of interest.

I haven't found a translation elsewhere yet.

[Tylergal]

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I remember Ben Miller at Café Bahia and Alana checking Mambos but I could remember wrong.


Off to do battle with the heat.  BBLate tonight for Night Crew. . . . . .

Anna, same as I recall, and have been told by locals.

[sandy leiva]

Youngsters Abused for Pornographic Purposes?

Really?  You don't say.

And abused by elders no less, who model out web-based business for purposes of selling the perversions to another web of perverts.

The details fueling this story will hopefully be reported.  I am curious why staffers seek to inform "mayor" of these criminal acts -- when international nature of crime calls for involvement of Interpol, or at minimum competent law enforcement.

Brian Battjer: Scott and Ramses and homosexual abduction attempt in January, 2004.

Alyse and Bailey and Loco Stefy: March, 2005

Natalee Anne Holloway: May, 2005

Goon: I've done this 20 times before (and nothing bad ever happened)

Freddy and his arrest: sexual assault on minor female while she was unconscious, videoed.

The movies...

There is strange energy emanating from Aruba.  And this latest news flash further supports earlier hypothesis that perverted events then transformed into "pornography" for sale and/or exchange -- are widespread on Aruba and have been going on for a long time.

I would bet these perpetrators could shed light on events of May 29-30, 2005.

Nice opening for a "good cop" to get in front of this one.

Hammer - I posted the entire article and it looks as though Sandy may not have seen it all.  Hopefully she'll check and let us know if there's any other pertinent information from it.  I'm also going to see if we can get Jossy to give us more info.

If they know it's happening, and know there are school kids and elders involved, someone has to know WHAT elders, IMO.

 


Klass itranslated the entire article for page 33 but for some reason when i hit submit i lost it.  I read the rest of the article and basically it says the investigation continues and they will give polis everything they have so that they can bring the people to justice.  He also mentions in the article that they know of 3 people he wants to kepp them anonymous for the time being so sd not to impede the investigation.  He also states that in one case they have info that two girls were brought to different local hotels for the purpose of makeing and taking pornograhic  material to sell over the internet.  He believes three men or youngster are involved with procuring the victems and then turning them over to the videographers he believes there are elders that are aware of what is going on and that each victem is worth 2to 4 hundred dollars just to photograph and that he is unsure what other prices are obtained or how high the price may be for explicit pornographic material.  Again they will remain anonymous until investigation further leads them to results in which the perp can be taken to court. The article would like anyone with info to please call diario investigative reporters as soon as possible .  article states it is a crime that others would exploit the youth of the island for those purposes and it needs to stop.  He is also concerned that new laws should be brought about to protect the youth of aruba from such activitys.   the article also states that he doesnt have much faith in the job the polis are doing and wants to ask the public that if he can find out info -why is it that the polis cannot. the article admonishes readers everywhere to take a stand against the wrongdoers and not just pay lip service.  
sorry coulnt do the translation word for word but that is the gist of the article...

[Sleuth]

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I remember Ben Miller at Café Bahia and Alana checking Mambos but I could remember wrong.


Off to do battle with the heat.  BBLate tonight for Night Crew. . . . . .

Anna, same as I recall, and have been told by locals.

Yep - I've heard about both of those places as well.  

I did hear about MB kids at Choose A Name, but I'm not sure if it was that night.....

[Sleuth]

 
Klass itranslated the entire article for page 33 but for some reason when i hit submit i lost it.  I read the rest of the article and basically it says the investigation continues and they will give polis everything they have so that they can bring the people to justice.  He also mentions in the article that they know of 3 people he wants to kepp them anonymous for the time being so sd not to impede the investigation.  He also states that in one case they have info that two girls were brought to different local hotels for the purpose of makeing and taking pornograhic  material to sell over the internet.  He believes three men or youngster are involved with procuring the victems and then turning them over to the videographers he believes there are elders that are aware of what is going on and that each victem is worth 2to 4 hundred dollars just to photograph and that he is unsure what other prices are obtained or how high the price may be for explicit pornographic material.  Again they will remain anonymous until investigation further leads them to results in which the perp can be taken to court. The article would like anyone with info to please call diario investigative reporters as soon as possible .  article states it is a crime that others would exploit the youth of the island for those purposes and it needs to stop.  He is also concerned that new laws should be brought about to protect the youth of aruba from such activitys.   the article also states that he doesnt have much faith in the job the polis are doing and wants to ask the public that if he can find out info -why is it that the polis cannot. the article admonishes readers everywhere to take a stand against the wrongdoers and not just pay lip service.  
sorry coulnt do the translation word for word but that is the gist of the article...

Thank you !

[sandy leiva]

They Know Which "Elders"...

klaasend writes: "...If they know it's happening, and know there are school kids and elders involved, someone has to know WHAT elders, IMO."

Interesting word choice "Elders"... it was Shango, right?

Suggests a new dimension and reanimates for me the charges vs pvds: "premeditated".  Something pre-planned, as these events involving these school children had to be.

Exactly Hammer - Don't you think they have to know which Elders are involved in some of these videos?  If they know Aruban school girls are involved then they must know the Elders!

"DirtyHand walks with the elders"

And the last article said something about the porn films had come back to Aruba....or something like that....makes me think someone saw the films...

yes right on...

[KackyLacky]

What this article COULD mean.............sonnyboyslooty provided a girl.........and once she was delivered, he did not know what happened to her............I could see this defense unfolding..........

[sandy leiva]

Youngsters Abused for Pornographic Purposes?

Really?  You don't say.

And abused by elders no less, who model out web-based business for purposes of selling the perversions to another web of perverts.

The details fueling this story will hopefully be reported.  I am curious why staffers seek to inform "mayor" of these criminal acts -- when international nature of crime calls for involvement of Interpol, or at minimum competent law enforcement.

Brian Battjer: Scott and Ramses and homosexual abduction attempt in January, 2004.

Alyse and Bailey and Loco Stefy: March, 2005

Natalee Anne Holloway: May, 2005

Goon: I've done this 20 times before (and nothing bad ever happened)

Freddy and his arrest: sexual assault on minor female while she was unconscious, videoed.

The movies...

There is strange energy emanating from Aruba.  And this latest news flash further supports earlier hypothesis that perverted events then transformed into "pornography" for sale and/or exchange -- are widespread on Aruba and have been going on for a long time.

I would bet these perpetrators could shed light on events of May 29-30, 2005.

Nice opening for a "good cop" to get in front of this one.

Hammer - I posted the entire article and it looks as though Sandy may not have seen it all.  Hopefully she'll check and let us know if there's any other pertinent information from it.  I'm also going to see if we can get Jossy to give us more info.

If they know it's happening, and know there are school kids and elders involved, someone has to know WHAT elders, IMO.

I dont think we have even hit the top of the tip of the ice berg in this case
I think god rest her soul Natalee helped open up a HUGE can of worms

I remember saying one yr ago that natalees death is not in vain that what happened to her is the impetus that will expose to the surface the things that are occuring on that island.

[Sue]

Could possibly explain where Joran got all his gambling money from

[KackyLacky]

Ok I have to ask, where is Rob?................I have not seen or read anything from him in some time, and when I search.........I get nothing......

[sandy leiva]

Sunfreak...I honestly don't think these peop (if ya can call them that) are members of The Lion's Club....more likely members of the Lion's Den Dirty Old Mens Club    

 



I beg to differ imo the youth are procuring young females that would not ordinarily go for these dirty old men.  The males procuring these girls obtain thier play money from doing this and they in turn become the next group of dirty old men later on.  No wonder they have such a poor respect for females. its generational.....

[nonesuche]

Sandy-

Thank you for the clarification on the article, it helps so much!!

I do think that rumor regarding the old man and the mask on video at the Lorenzo parties now takes on a new resonance in this, and we need to remember what Sandy has stated the article says, we need to support this investigation and be LOUD within that support.

I think that alone could be key to IF it receives any due process, we have to care and support those now willing to come forward and pursue these perps/elders for this. Theirs will not be an easy path.

[ala_gunslinger]

Ok I have to ask, where is Rob?................I have not seen or read anything from him in some time, and when I search.........I get nothing......

Rob now posts at Blogd for Natalee.

[klaasend]

Sandy & Sleuth - thanks for helping obtain further translation of that article.  So Diario is saying 3 men or boys    wonder if any of the names would be familiar to us.

I'm done lurking now finally!  

[KackyLacky]

Thanks gunslinger...............I haven't been there in months.........but I just wondered since he was such a regular here.

[ala_gunslinger]

Thanks gunslinger...............I haven't been there in months.........but I just wondered since he was such a regular here.

You are welcome.

[ala_gunslinger]

Sandy & Sleuth - thanks for helping obtain further translation of that article.  So Diario is saying 3 men or boys    wonder if any of the names would be familiar to us.

I'm done lurking now finally!  

It sure seems to fit right in, don't it?

[Sue]

Sandy & Sleuth - thanks for helping obtain further translation of that article.  So Diario is saying 3 men or boys    wonder if any of the names would be familiar to us.

I'm done lurking now finally!  

This whole thing is just horrible, But If any of these kids involved in Natalee's case pop up with this .. I think it will bust this case open  IMO

[Sue]

Klaasend I just sent you a email

[Anna]

Sandy-

Thank you for the clarification on the article, it helps so much!!

I do think that rumor regarding the old man and the mask on video at the Lorenzo parties now takes on a new resonance in this, and we need to remember what Sandy has stated the article says, we need to support this investigation and be LOUD within that support.

I think that alone could be key to IF it receives any due process, we have to care and support those now willing to come forward and pursue these perps/elders for this. Theirs will not be an easy path.

Just doing a drive by, sweating like a Paulus from the hundred plus temps.  

Did I miss something or does the article say hotels?  I didn't ever associate the masked man with Lorenzo.  Has that connection been made?

TIA!

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