From LCD Natalee Holloway - Political debate

[nonesuche]

I am very happy to see this topic moved to its rightful place.

My opinion: Hilary ROCKS!

LOL!

uh oh, Justins just let loose some hot air   phew as sunfreak sayz !  

[mishy]

I'm basically ambivalent about Hilary, but I do think she's a dangerous person...

[Anna]

Yep, if the conservatives are going to say anything back, gotta move them all!  I do wish those who engage in the more subtle forms of practicing their politics would be censored and treated just the same.

Posting anti-war videos and commenting on them  are just as political as anything else. In fact without presenting both sides, it is very biased and propaganda.
Yes, war is awful and no one is Pro-War, but I do wonder what the faces of all the babies Saddam loaded those buses with that he drove out in the desert and buried, whole families alive in bus after bus, etc. 100,000 Kurds documented and admitted to by his henchmen.    I wonder what those babies' faces looked like as well and the single one in the video that was allowed to remain posted and not moved to here.

So is the definition of "political" anything conservative now? Sure seems that way some days.  And it doesn't have to be a threat to hang Bush to still be political and biased,  The more subtle digs are not lost on us either and they are very glaring to those who do not share in the sentiments.  But would it not be only fair that those posts also be deleted or moved as well?  

I just ask that all be treated the same, no more no less for some than others.

[SunnyinTX]

I hate how MSM first disses the President, then praises Obama or Hilliary or some Demonrat, then tries to show how the present administration has screwed things up.      

Abandon Ship ...........

All Bushites To Their Liferafts ..........

Your Party Is Goin Down ................

Bush Should Be On Trial For Starting Iraqs Civil War ..........

String Him Up Next To Saddam ...........

 

Widget...I love ya guy...you know that...but this just ain't right!!  I NEVER post in the political thread.....never thought I would.....but I made an exception in this case.  I hope this was said in a brief moment of lack of judgment and that as I read on, I see a heartfelt apology....

[klaasend]

Widget wrote:

Hi everyone.... quick post:

If the Kalpoes were served in Aruba, that is a CLEAR sign that the case is moving forward. That is probably disallowed if a judge were disposed to kick out the case on jurisdictional issues.

The decision about linking the cases is virtually meaningless.

The website giving the scenario about how Natalee died has some very good points and info, in spite of the anti-Semitic slant. Bear in mind that not all Jews are rich, and not all rich people are Jews. They aren't the "elitists" ones that I am concerned with. It's NOT a Jewish thing.

I wish so badly that those doctors had been able to save that horse's life. It was a very long shot from the beginning, and they almost succeeded. It's a shame that so little is understood about such injuries. I'm not a horse racing fan but I wanted the horse to MAKE IT. What a gallant fighting try.

There are not words to tell how disappointed I am with Widget after reading that inflammatory post. Very little has offended me in here, but I take an attack on MY President and MY beliefs personally, folks. I counted Widget as a friend to this case before reading that. Now I wish I had an ignore button.

I am running out of gas FAST tonight so that's all I got for this evening, but I am looking forward to seeing y'all tomorrow!

Dear SB .........

I Am Sorry I Rattled Your Cage But ..........

This So Called President Is A War Monger , A Liar, A Cheat, A Thief ,

A Killer Without A Conscience .........

Take A Tour Of A VA Hospital With All Our Children Without Limbs

Half Of Their Heads Are Blown Off ....

All Because A So Called President Wanted Revenge On Hussein

The War Supposedly Is Against Al Qaeda Not Iraq ...........

The Man Is A First Class Asshole ...........

He Probably Planned 9/11 With The Saudis Whom They Sleep With

In A Company Called The Carlyle Group

Why Were Bin Ladins Ushered Out Of The USA When NO AIRLINES

Had Permission To Fly ..........

If You Back A Man Called Bush I Lost Respect For You Also .........

I Am An American But Not A Bushite Or War Monger .............

GO DEMOCRATS

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

I'm basically ambivalent about Hilary, but I do think she's a dangerous person...

THeres None Worse Than The Anti Christ That Occupies The White House

NOw ...........

To All You Monkeys That Voted For Bush In 2004 .............

WTF Were You Thinking ..............

The Man Is A Mental Midget Who Cant Deliver A One Paragraph Speech

Without F***king It Over .............

To All You Folks In New Orleans & Mississippi, He Really Made You

Feel Good In His  State Of The Union ( Not One Word Mentioned )

KATRINA You Asshole ...........

WAR What Is It Good For ..........

Absolutely Nothing .........

Say It Again ...........

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

I hate how MSM first disses the President, then praises Obama or Hilliary or some Demonrat, then tries to show how the present administration has screwed things up.      

Abandon Ship ...........

All Bushites To Their Liferafts ..........

Your Party Is Goin Down ................

Bush Should Be On Trial For Starting Iraqs Civil War ..........

String Him Up Next To Saddam ...........

 

Widget...I love ya guy...you know that...but this just ain't right!!  I NEVER post in the political thread.....never thought I would.....but I made an exception in this case.  I hope this was said in a brief moment of lack of judgment and that as I read on, I see a heartfelt apology....

Sorry Sunny I Am Sticking To My Guns ..........

He Is Doing To Iraq Now That Saddam Did In His Reign Of Terror .........

He Is No Different In My Book .......

If He Wanted Revenge On Saddam He Should Have Invited Him

To A Boxing Match One On One .......

The Man Is Ruining Hundreds Of Thousands Of Lives .........

The Worst President In My Lifetime ........

I Know Hes From Texas & You Probably Voted For Him ( I Forgive You )

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

Hi everyone.... quick post:

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There are not words to tell how disappointed I am with Widget after reading that inflammatory post. Very little has offended me in here, but I take an attack on MY President and MY beliefs personally, folks. I counted Widget as a friend to this case before reading that. Now I wish I had an ignore button.

I am running out of gas FAST tonight so that's all I got for this evening, but I am looking forward to seeing y'all tomorrow!

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SB,
I share your sentiments on this and just will not be a party to such shallow, hit-and-run attacks on my country and my President.  Ignorance is no excuse for this and discussing a sitting president or even candidate and method of death as Widget just did is just about sure to get a Secret Service visit.  At least, I sure hope so!


But this kind of thing is just about every day on one thread or another lately in some fashion or other.  The more of that I encounter, the less time I will waste wading through it.  Just my thoughts and reaction.

Anna

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Anna

Anna Anna Anna

Your Sitting President ( Who Should Get Off His Ass Once In Awhile )

Created Through His Dreamworks The War In Iraq ...........

Saudis Loyal To Bin Ladin Attacked Our Country .........

G W Bush Escorts 123 Of Bin Ladins Family Back To Saudi Arabia

Whats Wrong With This Picture .........

Seems G W Bush Is On The Bin Ladin Side ..........

Diverts Troops From Afghanistan To Iraq .........

I Did nt Know Osama Was Sighted In Iraq ..........

Wait Til He Starts To Draft Your Grandkids Into The Army .........

He Says He Is The War President ..........

But Was Chicken Shit To Go Viet Nam ...........

 

[WidgetTheMidget]

I am very happy to see this topic moved to its rightful place.

My opinion: Hilary ROCKS!

LOL!

Yes Hilary Rocks ..........

And Mc Cain Should Go Back To Finish His Stay At The ...........

Hanoi Hilton ..........

[crazybabyborg]

Widget, I don't know you and I defy anyone on this board to identify a single incident of me purposefully offending anyone.

You have, and are, offending me, and more importantly, values, ethics, and principles, that I hold dear.

Your party affiliation is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. Whether you think Hillary Clinton is the best suited candidate for the upcoming Presidential election is something that I wish everyone had an informed opinion on. We should all vote our conscience, whoever "our" candidate is.

The issue of Iraq crosses over politics in my opinion. There are varying views on what our course of action, at this point,  should be. I feel strongly that this war will be fought on some battlefront, for the reasons that exist, whether they were defined as such by President Bush from the outset or not. We may not bring it, but the expressly stated objective of extreme Islam is that there be no other peoples on this planet that are not of the same faith. That eliminates most of America, Israel, and great sections of Europe.

If that were just "Philosophical wishful thinking", then they are entitled to their own beliefs. It's not. It's an active objective backed by tremendous wealth, intent, and planning. It's a focused threat with teeth, that has multiple tentacles throughout the Middle East, in America, and elsewhere.
Choosing where the main front of that war takes place is our choice. Whether to defend against it, is not an option unless we are willing to commit ourselves and our children to succumb to a terroristic world of their design

You seem to believe that a prudent course is to follow Hillary's declaration that to "pass the Iraq war on to the next President would be a travesty, and that all troops should be home by then." If that's the case, I certainly share the hope that our boys are home by then as well. I'm terribly frightened of the additional danger we place our troops in by anyone broadcasting deadlines for troop withdrawal.

Years ago, a similar young man to our troops now in Iraq, was captured in a war. He was imprisoned half way across the world from his home, and tortured. There was disagreement in this country as to the merits of that war, but like our boys in Iraq, he was there fulfilling his duty as directed by this country. His name is John McCain, the same man that you have stated should be sent back to the "Hanoi Hilton". How dare you.

That statement is impossible to make without revealing your crassness and disregard for the sons, daughters, wives, husbands, and children of those who are, right now, laying down their lives and liberty because our country has sent them to fight. Are they risking and enduring an inhumane sentence you would dismiss them to return to when their political belief disagrees with yours? Is that the pound of flesh you require for political disagreement with your omnipotence?  

Disagree with the thinking and strategies that sent them there, and there's a healthy debate and I, for one, will respect your view.
Suggesting that our President is guilty of the rape of children, systematic genocide of hundreds of thousands of his own citizens at the hands of their own country's troops, terror tactics for the sole purpose of illiciting fear among any who might dare express an opposing opinion from his own, filmimg and directing the distribution of the "state" tortures to the masses to ensure that the message is clear, and relishing the thought of seeing him"strung up" like Saddam for those crimes, is more evidence of the content of your heart and your head.

I hear an echo.

[mrs. red]

CBB, that echo is me applauding your post!!!  I completely agree and could not have stated it so eloquently.

Widget... what you posted is among the most offensive thing I have ever seen.

[nonesuche]

wow CBB what a compelling post, kudos for it was most eloquently and rationally stated as well.

[spooky112483]

Great post CBB.

[Anna]

Great Post CBB!

Widget,
You are totally out of line and should not even be allowed to post some of those things.  There are laws in place against threatening a sitting president or any presidential candidates and for very good reasons.

For your ignorant information, I don't yet have any grandchildren but my first born is in the employ of our government in the intelligence community and until his recent marriage I was the beneficiary on an insurance policy he is required to keep for the return of his remains.  He even has to pay for that thanks to the Democrats gutting our military and tying the hands of our intelligence in the past.  If also speaks to the nature of his job.  He has my full blessings and support.  Sleep well at night for people like him make it possible for you to do so and more so for those in this country.

I have being deployed in the next thirty days two Marines, one whom I might consider my Significant Other if I were a bit more involved with him and tended to pop cultural labels.  He is an older officer and is being sent for a second deployment because the Marines have lost so many of their officers so far and are a relatively small branch of the military.

The other is a close relative and is quite young but at least he does not have a family to worry about while he is serving.  My kid with only one year to go in med school says he may also do a tour with the Navy aboard surgical ship just as a service to his country before going into private practice.

If I did have grandchildren and my country was at war as it is now, they would NEVER have to be drafted as we are not that kind of people and for that I thank God Almighty!  So you are talking to the wrong person.

Saddam Hussein violated many of the terms of the cease fire from before and so this war is totally legitimate and the POTUS have every right to make these decisions.  Widget does not as Widget was not elected president and seems to be totally ignorant of the facts involved.

I have news for you.  The majority of people in this country elected Bush for a second term despite many voting irregularities which oddly enough have all turned out to be cheating by the DNC.  What a surprise!  Shades of when they defeated Nixon by entire precincts voting in alphabetical order in Chicago if anyone believes that crap.  But the slogan If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat! did apply but he won by a comfortable margin.

So out of respect for the opinions of others and in this case the majority, you are spitting on our opinions and rights and that is totally rude and out of line.  You have no right to do that.  Our rights and opinions are just as valid as yours.

You do not seem to be very well informed, either.  Maybe instead of spewing hate, you might want to read up on things like The Third Great Jihad, The Global Jihad, The Muslim Brotherhood, etc. and learn that this is an ideology that does not adhere to one country and the very same militants and fighters change countries and wars at will.  It is ONE confrontation regardless of the location of the actual fighting.  If it is militarily better to confront in Iraq than Afghanistan and it certainly is and the military makes this decision, sorry but I think the pros and experts know one hell of a lot more about it than YOU!

Bush hold a degree from both Yale and Harvard and he obtained them when his father was a junior congressman from Texan who did not have enough clout to assist him in any way so don't even go there that he didn't really earn them.  Those are liberal institutions and they are not impressed by some lowly politicians son when they have enrolled princes and actual royalty.  Something tells me you do not hold higher or equal degrees or you would be better informed in history.

You mention OBL, well he has given 2015 for the return of the Caliphate.  We can fight them there or we can fight them here.  We did NOT start this and we can't stop it at will.  I am thankful for a President with the foresight to put our foot down right in the heart of the problem.  This is not going to go away no matter who is president or what they do.  It is in the heat and mind of the global jihadists to make war on us by any means and we simply do not have any means whatsoever to change that.  And that is the fact of the matter no matter who makes claims in ignorance to the contrary.

Get real and educated and informed on what is really happening in the world instead of just making an ass of yourself.

[Anna]

The Stock Market just closed at yet another record high.  Feds leave rates alone.  Unemployment at historical all time low for the length of time there.  Growth continues at 3.5%.

Our economy is the envy of the entire world.  The EU has unemployment rates that are sky high in the 8% to 24% range.  We continue to prosper despite Katrina, a war on two fronts and 9-11.

These thngs don't just happen.

IT'S ALL BUSH's FAULT, TOO!!

[Anna]

President Kennedy's inaugural address best expressed the American outlook.

 
"We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."


What a shame that we now have Ted Kennedy Democrats like Widget instead of real ones like President John F. Kennedy.  

And if America has to go it alone, we are still the best hope of the entire world and should do the right thing even if the RealpolitiK of the left and liberals in this country and the self-serving socialist of the EU do not.

It is far better to do the right thing than be popular.  I am thankful for a President who doesn't cater to the popularity polls but sticks to doing the right and greater good under tremendous pressure to just cave and go along to get along as did his predecessor who left us vulnerable in every area.

It is not going to go away and I am very fearful for the next elections based on the recent one even though that is typical for a second term president in midterm elections.  I do hope this country will once again wake up and elect somebody who is up to the job of defending us.  Without that, nothing else much counts.

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[LouiseVargas]

Hello,

When I read Widget's thoughts today, I copied them onto one piece of paper (like a poem) and printed it out and read it over several times.

Widget is a protest writer. Very much like protest singers such as Bob Dylan.

If this were 1966 and I read such sentences, I would think Bob would have written them.

They are absolutely antiwar statements and we were allowed to say anything in those days, especially in a song.  I guess we are out of luck when Widget cannot post the below as a protest against the government.




Sorry Sunny I Am Sticking To My Guns ..........

He Is Doing To Iraq Now That Saddam Did In His Reign Of Terror .........

He Is No Different In My Book .......

If He Wanted Revenge On Saddam He Should Have Invited Him

To A Boxing Match One On One .......

The Man Is Ruining Hundreds Of Thousands Of Lives .........

The Worst President In My Lifetime ........

I Know Hes From Texas & You Probably Voted For Him ( I Forgive You )

Anna Anna Anna

Your Sitting President ( Who Should Get Off His Ass Once In Awhile )

Created Through His Dreamworks The War In Iraq ...........

Saudis Loyal To Bin Ladin Attacked Our Country .........

G W Bush Escorts 123 Of Bin Ladins Family Back To Saudi Arabia

Whats Wrong With This Picture .........

Seems G W Bush Is On The Bin Ladin Side ..........

Diverts Troops From Afghanistan To Iraq .........

I Did nt Know Osama Was Sighted In Iraq ..........

Wait Til He Starts To Draft Your Grandkids Into The Army .........

He Says He Is The War President ..........

But Was Chicken Shit To Go Viet Nam ...........

Yes Hilary Rocks ..........

And Mc Cain Should Go Back To Finish His Stay At The ...........

Hanoi Hilton ..........

[mrs. red]

Hello,

When I read Widget's thoughts today, I copied them onto one piece of paper (like a poem) and printed it out and read it over several times.

Widget is a protest writer. Very much like protest singers such as Bob Dylan.

If this were 1966 and I read such sentences, I would think Bob would have written them.

They are absolutely antiwar statements and we were allowed to say anything in those days, especially in a song.  I guess we are out of luck when Widget cannot post the below as a protest against the government.




Sorry Sunny I Am Sticking To My Guns ..........

He Is Doing To Iraq Now That Saddam Did In His Reign Of Terror .........

He Is No Different In My Book .......

If He Wanted Revenge On Saddam He Should Have Invited Him

To A Boxing Match One On One .......

The Man Is Ruining Hundreds Of Thousands Of Lives .........

The Worst President In My Lifetime ........

I Know Hes From Texas & You Probably Voted For Him ( I Forgive You )

Anna Anna Anna

Your Sitting President ( Who Should Get Off His Ass Once In Awhile )

Created Through His Dreamworks The War In Iraq ...........

Saudis Loyal To Bin Ladin Attacked Our Country .........

G W Bush Escorts 123 Of Bin Ladins Family Back To Saudi Arabia

Whats Wrong With This Picture .........

Seems G W Bush Is On The Bin Ladin Side ..........

Diverts Troops From Afghanistan To Iraq .........

I Did nt Know Osama Was Sighted In Iraq ..........

Wait Til He Starts To Draft Your Grandkids Into The Army .........

He Says He Is The War President ..........

But Was Chicken Shit To Go Viet Nam ...........

Yes Hilary Rocks ..........

And Mc Cain Should Go Back To Finish His Stay At The ...........

Hanoi Hilton ..........

LV, with all due respect, Widget was not protesting the government to most of our ears.... the idea to say that ANYONE should go back to the Hanoi Hilton, which was a torture camp in Vietnam was just plain unbelievable....

you cannot wish upon others what you are protesting - doesn't work that way.

[Dihannah1]

Anna

I want to for your post and your families commitment to this country.   God Bless them and you for your support of this country!

I may accept Widgets remarks as a legitimate personal opinion, whether I agree or not,  if they weren't so radical and uninformative.  It's one thing to state ones opinions in a mature manner with words to back them up with.   But not one line statements as though they were an old rock singers anti-protest lyrics, with no legitimate facts to back them?.  JMO

LV,  you are correct in the fact that Widget does have the American right to free speech to what he/she thinks and feels.   That's why America is so wonderful!  But knowing full well this site is conservative, with acceptance for the most part for liberal views,  it's how you speak that can be important.  Widget only lost credibility with those types of statements.   But so be it,  speech like that doesn't win your cause.
You on the other hand, have more liberal views than others here, but at least you know how to state your cause in a credible manner.

[LouiseVargas]

Thank you Diana, for the nice compliment.

When Bob Dylan wrote lyrics early in his life, he grabbed a thought and added another thought and another and was able to carefully put songs together.

What I am saying about Widget is that he is doing the same thing. Yes, he WAS protesting the war and the president's part in it.

"Seems G W Bush Is On The Bin Ladin Side ..........
Diverts Troops From Afghanistan To Iraq .........
I Did nt Know Osama Was Sighted In Iraq ..........
Wait Til He Starts To Draft Your Grandkids Into The Army .........
He Says He Is The War President .......... " blah, blah.


With God on Our Side
 Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.
Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music

 
Masters of War
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead  
Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music