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« Reply #1000 on: June 05, 2010, 05:37:29 PM »

Prosecutors already asked and obtained an extension of 7 days to keep Joran locked up.
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« Reply #1001 on: June 05, 2010, 05:37:44 PM »

There are many puzzling things:

Where are shots of going for coffee and coming back?  What did he have with him and what was he wearing?

Notice what looks like a watch on Joran's left wrist--thought he didn't need a watch 'cause he always knew what time it is.

Jewelry was mentioned, couldn't see enough of Stephanie to tell.

Stephanie walks like someone slightly woozy and concentrating on the floor (where she is going.)  The only odd movement was as she reached the narrowed part of the reception area.  She reached slightly downward and toward front as tho' holding something from being banged or caught on her right.

I think she looks drugged, too.
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« Reply #1002 on: June 05, 2010, 05:40:09 PM »



Did you notice that Joran's leaving in a different colored shirt than when he walked into the room?



Yes, & his hair was still dark, so the dye job was after that.

I wonder if he got some peroxide to put on any of his wounds/scratches & then used it on his hair?
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« Reply #1003 on: June 05, 2010, 05:40:56 PM »

Okay, I've got one.

When Joran leaves the hotel, it looks like he's got a back pack and (just) one small valise, maybe a duffle bag. His laptop must have been inside one of these.

The two brothers/taxi drivers said he had a ruck sack and two suitcases. (I'm guessing "ruck sack" = back pack.)

How do we suppose the second "suitcase" materialized?

I believe they drove to Joran's hotel in Stephany's car.  Those are the keys Joran has in his hands walking INTO the hotel with Steph.  When he leaves he has HIS stuff.  He gets in Steph's car and drives it back down to the casino area.  Maybe then she has something in her car he takes.

Her father said that her phone was found in Joran's room.
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« Reply #1004 on: June 05, 2010, 05:41:24 PM »

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Peru provides video Joran and women in hotel

LIMA - The Peruvian authorities Saturday a video of Joran van der Sloot and his alleged victim Stephany Flores released. The images of the surveillance camera in a hotel in the Miraflores district, showing how the Dutch and the woman on Sunday May 30th around 5.15 hours into the hotel and walk to his room. Peruvian media reported that.

The 22-year-old Van der Sloot asked at reception the key. Then he walks through the lobby followed by Flores and then to his room.
Three hours later, around 8.15 pm, Van der Sloot in the other room and leaves clothes with a gym bag in his hand.
The Peruvian newspaper El Comercio reported that Van der Sloot then in a shop opposite the hotel, two cups of coffee and a bread purchased and returned to the hotel room where he stayed until half past nine. He would then drive from Flores left. Flores is the morning between 8.10 am and 9.30 am deceased, the newspaper based on the police report.
Joran van der Sloot has told the Peruvian police denied that he killed the Peruvian. He told her or spoken to in the casino. Currently he sits down in a police cell at Lima.

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« Reply #1005 on: June 05, 2010, 05:42:44 PM »

He could have talked her into coming to his room to use his laptop and play some online poker.
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« Reply #1006 on: June 05, 2010, 05:42:51 PM »

Have not caught up yet but have to say I'm quite uncomfortable after watching that video. she seemed to be walking just fine on her own following him into the room. she didn't APPEAR to stumble or need help as if drunk or drugged. hmmmm
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« Reply #1007 on: June 05, 2010, 05:44:49 PM »

The Ministry of Interior (MININT) broadcast images of Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores Tac when they entered the hotel in Miraflores, on Sunday May 30, at approximately 5:15 a.m.

The footage shows van der Sloot in a white shirt asking the key to his room to the front desk. Then, we see him with Sthepany looking into the room. The daughter of the businessman Ricardo Flores wore trousers and black pants.


Three hours later, 8:10 a.m. Sunday, the Dutchman out of the hotel and goes to Wong in front of the hotel to buy bread and two cups of coffee. Then back to the room and out again at 9:30 am to address Stephany van, carrying in his hand a small suitcase and a backpack. In this period would have caused death.

http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/05062010/96/n-latam-video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran.html
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« Reply #1008 on: June 05, 2010, 05:45:12 PM »

He could have talked her into coming to his room to use his laptop and play some online poker.

I agree Buckeye.  He could have said hey I have my laptop in my room and I have an account online.
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« Reply #1009 on: June 05, 2010, 05:45:34 PM »

Chili authorities said Joran "forgot" where he slept (address) the night before he was detained. They wanted to go retrieve his laptop and baggage for examination, which I'm assuming were not with him in the taxi they found him in. Of course he would say he doesn't remember......he knew damn well there was incriminating
evidence in his bags. I'm pretty confident they were able locate where Joran spent the night. There was a intense manhunt for his ass. Anyone who rented a room to him would have come forward, IMO.

I'm still going with my translation of the murder weapon as a tennis racket. Of course I could be wrong. He may have broke the handle off and used it to hit her.
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« Reply #1010 on: June 05, 2010, 05:45:51 PM »

HOTEL VIDEO: Dead to Rights

If those time stamps are correct, and the cameras ran continuously, the goon is cooked.  

It's important for the cameras to have run and recorded at a fairly continuous rate, to ensure Stefany did not leave the room, and others did not enter.  If Peruvian LE can trace approximate time of death to between 5:15 am +/- and 8:30am +/- on this day -- then the goon is going to jail for a very long time.  Obviously alot we don't know, but this video really nails it.

It's going to be very hard to argue that what we're seeing is something else.  

Astonishing he didn't take into account the likelihood of video surveillance -- hell, didn't his buddy, Geoffrey von Croimvort (sp?) work for his father's VBC Security Company -- doing precisely this type of work?  Commercial venue video surveillance?

JVDS: Criminal genius and master evidence fixer.

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« Reply #1011 on: June 05, 2010, 05:45:57 PM »

This shot is still not clear enough to see if he has any scratches on his arms:

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« Reply #1012 on: June 05, 2010, 05:47:44 PM »

From what I read, Joran had rented a room in the coastal city in Chile, left his belongings including laptop there, and was apprehended in a cab driving away from the coast.  Perhaps he was trying to cover his tracks, or attempting to find passage out of Chile.  He couldn't remember where he had left his things, but I'm sure the officials in Chile have located them by now.

I remember reading that Stephany's father said when she was found that her jewelry was missing.  She clearly has earrings on in the video.  He also said her purse and money were not in the room.  She isn't carrying a purse into the room.  I heard a friend state that Stephany did not date men and would never have gone to Joran's room for a sexual encounter.  In fact, the way the two of them walk into the hotel and into the room is not intimate or even friendly.  Neither talk to each other and they don't walk together or hold hands.  She follows him and he is definitely leading the way.   

We'll soon find out from forensics if he drugged her, but I think it is likely from the time spent sitting in her car and the drug wrappers found there.  I have thought and thought about what Joran might have said to her to get her to follow him to his room.  There's only one thing that makes sense.  I think he borrowed money from her to play poker and told her he had the cash in his hotel room to pay her back.  She had no intention of staying in his room, but just wanted to pick up the money he owed her.  Joran intended to rob her of the money she carried, possibly rape her.  I imagine when the drugs wore off and she realized his intent she then fought him.  Enraged, he killed her.
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« Reply #1013 on: June 05, 2010, 05:51:32 PM »

This shot is still not clear enough to see if he has any scratches on his arms:



He wont have scratches on his arms, why wear short sleaves if he did?
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« Reply #1014 on: June 05, 2010, 05:51:41 PM »

The Ministry of Interior (MININT) broadcast images of Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores Tac when they entered the hotel in Miraflores, on Sunday May 30, at approximately 5:15 a.m.

The footage shows van der Sloot in a white shirt asking the key to his room to the front desk. Then, we see him with Sthepany looking into the room. The daughter of the businessman Ricardo Flores wore trousers and black pants.


Three hours later, 8:10 a.m. Sunday, the Dutchman out of the hotel and goes to Wong in front of the hotel to buy bread and two cups of coffee. Then back to the room and out again at 9:30 am to address Stephany van, carrying in his hand a small suitcase and a backpack. In this period would have caused death.

http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/05062010/96/n-latam-video-policia-difundio-imagenes-joran.html

Maybe he ordered two cups of coffee just in case he got caught.
This way he could say she was alive when I left my room.
We had breakfast...bread and coffee.

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« Reply #1015 on: June 05, 2010, 05:51:41 PM »

HOTEL VIDEO: Dead to Rights

If those time stamps are correct, and the cameras ran continuously, the goon is cooked.  

It's important for the cameras to have run and recorded at a fairly continuous rate, to ensure Stefany did not leave the room, and others did not enter.  If Peruvian LE can trace approximate time of death to between 5:15 am +/- and 8:30am +/- on this day -- then the goon is going to jail for a very long time.  Obviously alot we don't know, but this video really nails it.

It's going to be very hard to argue that what we're seeing is something else.  

Astonishing he didn't take into account the likelihood of video surveillance -- hell, didn't his buddy, Geoffrey von Croimvort (sp?) work for his father's VBC Security Company -- doing precisely this type of work?  Commercial venue video surveillance?

JVDS: Criminal genius and master evidence fixer.

Yeah, right.

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In his pea brain, I think he was trying to formulate a theory where the purchase of 2 coffees would establish she was alive at the time and that something must have happened after he left. The problem with that, for Joran, is that cameras would have shown anyone else coming into the room. He's caught dead to rights regardless. I think he may have realized the cameras were in the front office, but he did not realize the hallway cameras.
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« Reply #1016 on: June 05, 2010, 05:51:50 PM »

Exclusive interview of Roberto Blades who recognized Joran in Casino (video - please can someone translate this?)


http://www.iblups.tv/v?v=srTSmCJRlK

Yes northern rose. this guy a singer from panama was sitting in the casino when he saw and recognised van der sloot. HE SPOKE TO A SECURITY GUARD AND POINTED OUT VAN DER SLOOT TO HIM TELLING the guard that vds was an acussed in the murder of a girl in aruba. when the quard and he went over to where they had been sitting vds was not there. 2 hours later vds agin with a friend sat next to this singer and spoke in english of how they were looking for chicks. The singer says that vds and friend were very vulgar in the manner which they spoke of women in general and how they were searching for some chicks.  the singer made the sign of the cross blessing himself as he got up and moved away from vds. the next day when the singer returned to the casino and the guard told him of the girl stefanies murder the singer was in shock at what had iccured.the guard said ti the singer see you had told me that last night and  i disbelieved it, but the guy murdered that girl.  quick translation but almost exactly the conversation that transpired. They talk so fast....
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« Reply #1017 on: June 05, 2010, 05:53:08 PM »

From what I read, Joran had rented a room in the coastal city in Chile, left his belongings including laptop there, and was apprehended in a cab driving away from the coast.  Perhaps he was trying to cover his tracks, or attempting to find passage out of Chile.  He couldn't remember where he had left his things, but I'm sure the officials in Chile have located them by now.

I remember reading that Stephany's father said when she was found that her jewelry was missing.  She clearly has earrings on in the video.  He also said her purse and money were not in the room.  She isn't carrying a purse into the room.  I heard a friend state that Stephany did not date men and would never have gone to Joran's room for a sexual encounter.  In fact, the way the two of them walk into the hotel and into the room is not intimate or even friendly.  Neither talk to each other and they don't walk together or hold hands.  She follows him and he is definitely leading the way.   

We'll soon find out from forensics if he drugged her, but I think it is likely from the time spent sitting in her car and the drug wrappers found there.  I have thought and thought about what Joran might have said to her to get her to follow him to his room.  There's only one thing that makes sense.  I think he borrowed money from her to play poker and told her he had the cash in his hotel room to pay her back.  She had no intention of staying in his room, but just wanted to pick up the money he owed her.  Joran intended to rob her of the money she carried, possibly rape her.  I imagine when the drugs wore off and she realized his intent she then fought him.  Enraged, he killed her.

Regarding her jewelry, I remember seeing what I thought was a bracelet on her right arm (in the video of the lobby).
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« Reply #1018 on: June 05, 2010, 05:53:58 PM »

From what I read, Joran had rented a room in the coastal city in Chile, left his belongings including laptop there, and was apprehended in a cab driving away from the coast.  Perhaps he was trying to cover his tracks, or attempting to find passage out of Chile.  He couldn't remember where he had left his things, but I'm sure the officials in Chile have located them by now.

I remember reading that Stephany's father said when she was found that her jewelry was missing.  She clearly has earrings on in the video.  He also said her purse and money were not in the room.  She isn't carrying a purse into the room.  I heard a friend state that Stephany did not date men and would never have gone to Joran's room for a sexual encounter.  In fact, the way the two of them walk into the hotel and into the room is not intimate or even friendly.  Neither talk to each other and they don't walk together or hold hands.  She follows him and he is definitely leading the way.  

We'll soon find out from forensics if he drugged her, but I think it is likely from the time spent sitting in her car and the drug wrappers found there.  I have thought and thought about what Joran might have said to her to get her to follow him to his room.  There's only one thing that makes sense.  I think he borrowed money from her to play poker and told her he had the cash in his hotel room to pay her back.  She had no intention of staying in his room, but just wanted to pick up the money he owed her.  Joran intended to rob her of the money she carried, possibly rape her.  I imagine when the drugs wore off and she realized his intent she then fought him.  Enraged, he killed her.

Could be AZLady.  I read where her father said the money he gave Stephany for a laptop was missing.

Good to see you AZLady.
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« Reply #1019 on: June 05, 2010, 05:54:38 PM »

We'll see how this materializes, but it would not surprise me if he dumped his laptop and bags in the ocean or a trash dump somewhere. In any event, I think he may have gotten rid of them.
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