Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[Northern Rose]

Judge extended by seven days the detention of Joran van der Sloot
The preliminary detention of the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores had expired 24 hours after his expulsion from Chile

The presiding judge ordered permanent Cabezas Chira Romulo extended by seven days the arrest of Joran van der Sloot Netherlands (23) in response to the request made by Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor, head of the Criminal Prosecution Lima 40, who has been the case Stephany Young murder of Flores.

Canal N reported, Espinoza Sotomayor prosecutor that the case is still emerging and need more time to continue investigating and questioning the chief suspect in the murder of Stephany Flores.

This new resolution enlargement occurs as a preliminary detention expired 24 hours after Joran van der Sloot was expelled from Chile. The citizen Dutchman was moved this afternoon from the headquarters of the Dirincri to the Public Ministry, and then returns to the police station where he remains to date.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490305/juez-amplio-siete-dias-detencion-joran-van-der-sloot

[Northern Rose]

Van der Sloot was available to the Criminal Prosecution Lima 40
Police learned that would be requesting the extension of the research in order to end interrogations and prosecutions to help determine the liability of the Netherlands.
The Dutchman citizen Joran van der Sloot, the young murder suspect Stephany Flores (21), was transferred this afternoon to the headquarters of the Public Ministry to be made available to the judge Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor, of the Criminal Prosecution Lima 40, reported RPP.


The Police Homicide Division took him surrounded under tight security, to the headquarters of the Office in Abancay Avenue.


As has been learned, the police would be seeking to extend the period of investigation in order to terminate the interrogation and prosecution to help determine the responsibility of the citizens Netherlands.


This afternoon, Joran Van der remains back inside the headquarters of the Dirincri

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-05-van-der-sloot-quedo-a-disposicion-de-la-40-fiscalia-penal-de-lima-noticia_270242.html

[Lifesong]

The Long Road to Justice for the Family of Natalee Holloway

06/03/2005:     Natalee's Mom Issues Plea

06/22/2005:     Natalee's Mom Confronts Suspect's Parents

06/29/2005:     Holloway's Mom: Dutch Dad Hiding Something

07/06/2005:     Holloway's Mother: Don't Let Kalpoes Go

07/06/2005:     Arubans:  Natalee's Mom Out of Line

07/31/2005:     Natalee's Mom Goes Home

09/27/2005:     Natalee's Mom:  Van der Sloot Lying About Sex

05/28/2006:     Holloway Talks About Natalee’s Missing Year

05/31/2006:     Natalee Holloway's Parents Mark Anniversary Quietly

05/30/2007:     Two Years After Disappearance, Natalee Holloway's Mom Remains 'Hopeful'

10/03/2007:     Attorney for Natalee Holloway's Parents Goes 'On the Record'

12/19/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Family Blames Investigators' Mistakes for Dead End

02/08/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Father Reacts to Joran van der Sloot's Callous 'Confession'

10/08/2008:     Natalee Holloway Case to Become Made-for-TV Movie

11/19/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads

11/20/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Dad: Aruba Investigators Ignored Another Potential

03/20/2009:     Natalee Holloway's Father Sends Search Dog to Aruba to Look for Daughter's Body

03/24/2009:     Natalee Holloway Dad: Pond Search May Take 2 Weeks

06/04/2010:     Holloway's Uncle Says He Hopes Aruba Authorities Reopen Case After Charges Against Man

[San]

Our time here is short. Just enough to make it all interesting. Just enough to do some good to further mankind.

In our own way we all contributed something here that furthered mankind over the last five years, and for that - I hold my head high.

Additionally, we can never know the impact any of us had on individuals in the past five years.  I do believe we all contributed not only to further mankind, but also in positive ways on individuals we will never know.  "We are everybody," to quote my favorite TV show, and I know we impact other lives in ways that are very personal.  I've come to the realization, too, that I will never know the ways I impact other people, so I need to make sure that impact is positive and not negative.  My fellow Monkeys have a positive spirit and a supportive attitude that makes a difference.  If anyone doubts this, just see what happens here when a negative person enters and tries to engage us.  It's like fireworks go off.  Monkeys make a positive difference.  It is palpable and real.

AZLady and Rob great posts.

I will say this.  I have learned from so many on this board.  To that I say thank you all.

[Northern Rose]

Receptionist tells how he found the body of Stephany Flores
'The young lady was lying on the floor and knees bent back toward the wall and bleeding from the nose,' said Adely Abad, Tac hotel worker.

Abad Adely Marchena Miraflores Tac hotel receptionist, where she was found dead Stephany Flores (21), said that he was working in this establishment early Wednesday and received a strange call asking for the citizens Netherlands, Joran Van der Sloot.

This is stated in a document appended to the minutes of lifting the body of the girl, who had access to space "América Noticias".

In that statement to the police, Abbot noted that at 00:30 on Wednesday received a call from a woman, supposedly the Atlantic City casino, asking for Joran, but nobody answered the Dutchman in the room, replied the young man was not there.

Then the alien was found two days hire as the room went up and knocked on the door several times.

"As I heard that the TV was on, no bother and went upstairs and I told the manager that told me to get back and take a copy of the room," said Adely in its manifestation.

He added that upon entering the room found the body of the daughter of the businessman Ricardo Flores.

"Ms. Stephany was lying on the floor and knees bent back toward the wall and bleeding from the nose so I got scared and left," he concluded.

According to the minutes of removing the body, she received a very strong blow to the height of the left ear with a blunt object (not sharp).

Meanwhile, the Homicide Division has sent analyze the racquet found in the room, which would be the weapon of attack.

The coroner described multiple lesions on the arms and feet of the young. Also had abrasions on her chin and blows up at the knees and had 42 to 72 hours of death and the $ 5,000 he had won at the casino, there was no trace.

According to the police report of the San Antonio police station in the room also found some belongings of Stephany and nextel phone, a wallet, clothes in disarray and a lighter with the logo of Atlantic City.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-03-recepcionista-cuenta-como-encontro-el-cadaver-de-stephany-flores-noticia_269820.html

[Nut44x4]

Peru promises a fair trial for Dutch murder suspect

LIMA (AFP) - – The Dutchman suspected in the murder of a Peruvian woman and the disappearance of a US teenager in Aruba five years ago is guaranteed a fair trial in Peru, the country's interior minister said Saturday.

The suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot, 22, appeared handcuffed and wearing a bullet-proof vest at the criminal police headquarters in downtown Lima.

Van der Sloot was detained in Chile on Thursday, and police handed him over to the Peruvians at the border town of Tacna on Friday.

Interior Minister Octavio Salazar thanked the Chileans for promptly arresting the suspect.

"We would like to thank the Chilean government for handing him over to Peruvian justice, where he has all the guarantees" of a fair trial, Salazar said.

"We have to give police time to complete their investigation, let's remain calm," Salazar told reporters anxious for any bit of information on the case.

The Dutchman is the prime suspect in the May 30 murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, the 21-year-old daughter of a Peruvian former race car driver.

Her body was found Tuesday, two days after she was killed, in a hotel room in an upmarket area of Peru's capital.

Initially said to have been stabbed, a forensic report later showed she had suffered severe blows to the head and a broken neck.

Peruvian police say Van der Sloot was seen entering the hotel with the victim, according to witnesses. Video footage showed the two had spent time together at a casino beforehand.

Van der Sloot left Lima the day after the murder for Chile in a 1,300-kilometer (800-mile), 620-dollar taxi ride to the border, investigators said.

The maximum sentence for murder in Peru is 25 years prison.

Van der Sloot was at the center of another criminal inquiry in 2005, when he was named as a key suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old US student visiting the Dutch-run Caribbean island of Aruba.

In that case, Van der Sloot was twice arrested, but charges were never brought against him because of lack of evidence. Holloway's body was never found.

Van der Sloot was later videotaped saying Holloway died after suffering a seizure and that an acquaintance helped him dump the body into the sea.

Van der Sloot however later denied that, and said he had made the comments under the influence of marijuana.

Fernando Ovalle, the Chilean police official in charge of the suspect's detention and deportation, said Van der Sloot gave a statement Friday in fluent Spanish "denying all participation in the charges leveled against him" in the Peru murder.

"He only acknowledged that he knew her (Flores)" and stated that "at some point they had gone to a casino," Ovalle said.

The slain woman's father, Peruvian businessman Ricardo Flores Chipoco, earlier told reporters his daughter was killed at dawn last Sunday after meeting Van der Sloot in a casino.

Media reports highlighted two similarities in the cases in Peru and in Aruba: in both cases, the women were seen with Van der Sloot in a casino, and both met their fates on the date of May 30.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100605/twl-peru-netherlands-aruba-crime-6b0205e.html

[Nut44x4]

ACKKKKKKKKKKK................. I was googling something and found a thread at RU that seems to think her Dad should be a suspect!! WTF is wrong with these people!! ACKKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

The title of the thread is Ricardo "Riflo" Flores Chipoco
I don't like to post links to 'that place', lol.

[MsVada]

From twitter:


I am thinking he wants some clean underwear.

LMAO,  maybe a plaid shirt too

[Nut44x4]

this link has a boatload of stuff
http://www.wwnewsflash.com/joran

[Rob]

Our time here is short. Just enough to make it all interesting. Just enough to do some good to further mankind.

In our own way we all contributed something here that furthered mankind over the last five years, and for that - I hold my head high.

Additionally, we can never know the impact any of us had on individuals in the past five years.  I do believe we all contributed not only to further mankind, but also in positive ways on individuals we will never know.  "We are everybody," to quote my favorite TV show, and I know we impact other lives in ways that are very personal.  I've come to the realization, too, that I will never know the ways I impact other people, so I need to make sure that impact is positive and not negative.  My fellow Monkeys have a positive spirit and a supportive attitude that makes a difference.  If anyone doubts this, just see what happens here when a negative person enters and tries to engage us.  It's like fireworks go off.  Monkeys make a positive difference.  It is palpable and real.

AZLady and Rob great posts.

I will say this.  I have learned from so many on this board.  To that I say thank you all.

San - I have leaned sooooo much. It's immeasurable. It reaffirms my belief system. And it was all for free.

But all that aside, it was the friendships - united in a common cause that speaks volumes of the American Spirit.

Good Karma and Free Parking. < smiles >

[San]

ACKKKKKKKKKKK................. I was googling something and found a thread at RU that seems to think her Dad should be a suspect!! WTF is wrong with these people!! ACKKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

The title of the thread is Ricardo "Riflo" Flores Chipoco
I don't like to post links to 'that place', lol.

They are just as sick as Joran.

[AZSunny]

Joran is facing at least a couple years in a Peruvian prison before his case even goes to trial.  Anita is his only hope of obtaining legal representation and basic living necessities for the next couple years.  She needs to bring him money.  Without money, he's facing a living hell and may not survive it.

Where is the legal representation the DUTCH said they would pay for, for him??

Nut,  I read they said they would NOT be paying for a lawyer for him.  They would offer assistance if he need help on something like health issues only.  (that is what the consulate said)

Right.  They will give him 30 (euros?) a month and enable contact with relatives.  That's about it.  They won't find him a lawyer or pay for one.  I did read somewhere that there are 65 public defenders and over 10,000 prisoners awaiting trial.  Thus, most do not get legal representation.  Private lawyers are expensive and Joran would need someone outside the prison to arrange payment in advance to a lawyer. Mom is his only resource--she needs to take him money or he is toast.

 I did find this interesting document that is for British nationals detained in Peru.  It has interesting details about the legal system.  http://ukinperu.fco.gov.uk/resources/es/pdf/pdf1/british-detained-in-peru

I read the UK document. Frightening. Good find!

Very interesting.  It really details the process over the next year. 

[wreck]

Our time here is short. Just enough to make it all interesting. Just enough to do some good to further mankind.

In our own way we all contributed something here that furthered mankind over the last five years, and for that - I hold my head high.

Additionally, we can never know the impact any of us had on individuals in the past five years.  I do believe we all contributed not only to further mankind, but also in positive ways on individuals we will never know.  "We are everybody," to quote my favorite TV show, and I know we impact other lives in ways that are very personal.  I've come to the realization, too, that I will never know the ways I impact other people, so I need to make sure that impact is positive and not negative.  My fellow Monkeys have a positive spirit and a supportive attitude that makes a difference.  If anyone doubts this, just see what happens here when a negative person enters and tries to engage us.  It's like fireworks go off.  Monkeys make a positive difference.  It is palpable and real.

AZLady and Rob great posts.

I will say this.  I have learned from so many on this board.  To that I say thank you all.

San - I have leaned sooooo much. It's immeasurable. It reaffirms my belief system. And it was all for free.

But all that aside, it was the friendships - united in a common cause that speaks volumes of the American Spirit.

Good Karma and Free Parking. < smiles >

Ditto to ALL!!

[Rob]

I'm going to leave you all with this;

I only had a few (maybe two) emails with Beth. They were kinda long. In one prose we talked about "moms". And I can tell you that Beth and I and many of you all come from the same values. It's why we can call her Mom, Daughter, Sister, Friend.

In my opinion, and I would never attempt to speak for her, I think her heart is relieved that no one will ever suffer at the hands of Joran van der Sloot again. The pain that he has caused is so immense that it can not be quantified.

5 years of wondering when that next call would come has finally ended.

1825 days of wondering who he would kill next has come to an end. We all know that answer and our prayers are with Stephany's family. One portion of Beth's journey has ended, and a new chapter will begin.

Prayers for Beth tonite. May Beth have the peace she seeks.

< angel hands >





Fly Natalee

[Anna]

Anyone else watching Greta's special?  I am holding my nose and doing so.

[Port Valerie]

Greta's interview is replaying on FoxNews. Isn't she doing a special tonight? This must be it.

[San]

I was sitting her thinking of what the conversation would be between Anita and Joran when she goes and visits him.  I think it will go something like this.

Joran:  Anita good to see you.

Anita:  Joran what have you done now.

Joran:  I've done nothing I'm innocent.

Anita:  Whew Joran for a minute there I was beginning to believe all the lies they were telling about my little sporter.

Joran:  I never lie.

Anita:  I knew that (rolling eyes)

Joran:  OK Anita here is what we do. Go to the powers that be in Aruba and tell them if they don't help me I will spill the beans on them.

Anita:  What beans.

Joran:  Just do what I say.

Anita:  OK Joran.

NOW FAST FORWARD TO ARUBA:

Anita:  Rude Croes if you don't help Joran he is going to spill the beans.

RudyC: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Anita:  Why are you laughing so hard.

Rudy:  He is a liar no one would believe him.

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BIG PEOPLE LIE.

[texasmom]

4/25/10

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http://www.isaruba.com/

Graduation:

Graduation is 5:00pm on saturday, June 5th at the Radisson Hotel

[San]

EVEN BINGO HE GOES TO.  UNBELIEVABLE.  I'M SURPRISED HE DIDN'T TRY AND CHEAT.

[wreck]

WOW!!! With apologies to Anna --- with those ears and haircut ---- he REALLY looks like Lorenzo!