Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[Rob]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

told ya <sighhhhh>

The Dutch officials don't listen to anyone - they do things their way only.

[SunnyinTX]

when I made this one years ago - who knew...

hahahahaha......Love it and remember it too!!!

[Ono]

when I made this one years ago - who knew...

LOL-who knew, is right!

[SunnyinTX]

More advice from UK to its citizens arrested in Peru. (Assumes the charges are related to drug trafficking.)

I HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, WHAT COMES NEXT?

All that comes after the arrest is regulated by the Peruvian laws and authorities only, as
you have been arrested in Peru. The Peruvian Police has between 15 and 18 days to
complete the investigations of your case. During the investigations you will stay at the
Police station. The Police officers should provide you with a detention notification, which
we have translated into English for your understanding. You can find it in Annex A.

If you are held at DIRANDRO you will remain in a cell. There are 12 shared cells and 2
individual cells there. Your jewellery, money and personal documents, including passport,
will be taken into safekeeping. You might recover your clothes and personal items once
the investigations have finished. If you are receiving medication, this should be taken to
the prison as well.

The Embassy will not be able to keep your belongings at the Embassy, except for your
passport.

At DIRANDRO the police will take your statement, but probably without an interpreter. You
will not see a public lawyer until you are in prison. It is unlikely that we would be given a
private room to discuss things when we visit you. Most of the Police Officers do not speak
English. You will have a basic medical check everyday and receive food and water. We
will provide you with some toiletries.

At DIRANDRO you will very likely to be incarcerated with foreign nationals arrested with
drugs at the international airport of Lima. Peru is one of the biggest cocaine producers in
South America and drug smuggling is a serious crime. The airport in Lima is the most
important international airport in Peru and has effective drug smuggling controls.
After investigations at the remand centre, you will be taken to the Attorney General Office
at the Public Ministry.

At the AG Office you will appear before a judge who will decide whether to press charges
against you or not. You will probably stay there for a day or two. If you arrive on a Friday
you may remain there for the weekend. At the AG Office you will be held in a cell with other
detainees. Women and men will be separated. The cells do not have beds, but a bench
and a shared bathroom. There is not much light. You will be given water at your request,
but food is generally not provided.

As soon as we know that you have arrived at the GA Office we will try to arrange a visit
by an officer from the Ombudsman Office in Lima. We would provide this Officer with
some limited funds, which would be refunded to us from your first deposit of funds
from family or friends. With those limited funds the officer should buy you some food.

At the GA Office you will be interviewed. Your statement from the Police station will be
considered. The Attorney General represents the Peruvian State and if he/she considers
you guilty, he/she will file a complaint to the judge about your offence. If the judge finds
you guilty, you will be transferred to the Justice Palace. The Justice Palace is in the
Centre of Lima and the cells are ruled by INPE.

At the Justice Palace you will remain in a cell (women and men separated). If you are
a man charged for a sexual offence, you will be held in a separate cell for your own safety.
If you arrive at the Justice Palace in the morning you should stay there until the afternoon.
If you arrive at the afternoon you should remain there until next day (or during the weekend
if you arrive on a Friday). The INPE officers will interview you and decide to which prison
you will be taken. They will take into consideration the type of crime, your background and
the prison system. You will then be transferred to a prison.

If the Attorney General does not press charges against you, you will not have to go to
the Justice Palace and the prison. This, however, does not often happen with British
nationals involved in drug smuggling.

Thank you for this.  It certainly paints a picture. 
When Joran goes to prison, he'll wish he was back @ AG. sleeping on a bench. 
It sucks to be you Joran!

bumped

do we know if this is the same for a Dutch citizen???  this is for British citizen correct?

[Rob]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

That's what I am afriad of, too, Sunny, and why I keep nagging about that attorney and Dutch interference.  They sure don't show all this concern for the victims of their citizens!  I hope Peru will not ALLOW them to do anything.

I'm sorry to say, well, maybe I'm not, but these Peruvians don't know what they are up against. If they know what's good for them - they will close down that Dutch Embassy. And tell the Dutch they are doing things THEIR way.

Elbow will be twisted and knees broken. That's how it will go.

[carpe noctem]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

That's what I am afriad of, too, Sunny, and why I keep nagging about that attorney and Dutch interference.  They sure don't show all this concern for the victims of their citizens!  I hope Peru will not ALLOW them to do anything.

I have a question.

Who cares what the F. the Dutch Embassy thinks in all of this?

They are nothing. They need to show some respect to OTHERS this time.

Unless, of course... they wanna see a lot of angry people opening up a can
of whoop ass on them.

We`re tired of Joran. His days are done.

COUNT ON IT.

[Anna]

I think those are photos instead of postcards?  Would love to see who is in them.

[Keepthefaith]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

That's what I am afriad of, too, Sunny, and why I keep nagging about that attorney and Dutch interference.  They sure don't show all this concern for the victims of their citizens!  I hope Peru will not ALLOW them to do anything.

I have a question.

Who cares what the F. the Dutch Embassy thinks in all of this?

They are nothing. They need to show some respect to OTHERS this time.

Unless, of course... they wanna see a lot of angry people opening up a can
of whoop ass on them.

We`re tired of Joran. His days are done.

COUNT ON IT.

I have no issue with what the Dutch are doing,other then allowing a serial killer to do his killing.They are single handedly destroying their name as well as ARUBA!END OF STORY!

[can]

Sunny, it's information the U. K. provides for it's citizens.

I expect the Peruvian protocols wouldn't differ. imo

[Curly]

Moist eyes do not show remorse or sadness~

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/joran-van-der-sloot’s-body-language-moist-eyes-do-not-remorse-or-sadness-but-stunned-look-shows-how-he-did-not-expect-to-get-caught/

[Ono]

Blonde - it almost looked like he had a bunch of post cards from Aruba?

Oh,  that is a picture of the lighthouse....I couldn't quite figure out what that was at first glance! LOL 

I thought it was some weird phallic symbol

LOL

[Ono]

I think those are photos instead of postcards?  Would love to see who is in them.

Me too.

[Rob]

What,and or whom,does Anita know,in order for The Netherlands to give a Sh_t about a serial killer?Seriously...

Marco van der Sloot fer sure. That's a start. We also discerned that someone her family is or was at some point in a diplomatic position at something like the UN. But I can't remember all the details. Kerm probably knows.

[can]

Blonde, I'd love to see.  Thanks.

[Keepthefaith]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

That's what I am afriad of, too, Sunny, and why I keep nagging about that attorney and Dutch interference.  They sure don't show all this concern for the victims of their citizens!  I hope Peru will not ALLOW them to do anything.

I have a question.

Who cares what the F. the Dutch Embassy thinks in all of this?

They are nothing. They need to show some respect to OTHERS this time.

Unless, of course... they wanna see a lot of angry people opening up a can
of whoop ass on them.

We`re tired of Joran. His days are done.

COUNT ON IT.

I have no issue with what the Dutch are doing,other then allowing a serial killer to do his killing.They are single handedly destroying their name as well as ARUBA!END OF STORY!

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[San]

Blonde - it almost looked like he had a bunch of post cards from Aruba?

Do you want me to get more screen caps?

Try and get that photo or postcard that had the people in it.  Did you see that one?  Oh, and the car.  TIA

That was a Christmas card with his family.  To the right you could see a Christmas tree.

[carpe noctem]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

That's what I am afriad of, too, Sunny, and why I keep nagging about that attorney and Dutch interference.  They sure don't show all this concern for the victims of their citizens!  I hope Peru will not ALLOW them to do anything.

I have a question.

Who cares what the F. the Dutch Embassy thinks in all of this?

They are nothing. They need to show some respect to OTHERS this time.

Unless, of course... they wanna see a lot of angry people opening up a can
of whoop ass on them.

We`re tired of Joran. His days are done.

COUNT ON IT.

I have no issue with what the Dutch are doing,other then allowing a serial killer to do his killing.They are single handedly destroying their name as well as ARUBA!END OF STORY!

They do appear to love their murderers, huh KTF?

30 a month for toiletries... I`ve got his toiletries.

> Aqua Velva and a nose hair trimmer - CVS - $10

That should keep him busy.

[Keepthefaith]

What,and or whom,does Anita know,in order for The Netherlands to give a Sh_t about a serial killer?Seriously...

Marco van der Sloot fer sure. That's a start. We also discerned that someone her family is or was at some point in a diplomatic position at something like the UN. But I can't remember all the details. Kerm probably knows.

Thank You Rob!I think a renewed focus on how they operate and who the Sloots use to keep the murderer free is invaluable.Thanks for your efforts Rob!

[can]

I don't think there's a lawyer on God's green earth that can save Joran now!

But, jumping ahead, I would hate to see Peru allow him back to the Netherlands to serve his (expected) sentence.

The Peruvians would be outraged!

[Edward]

Dutch embassy gives Joran list of Peruvian lawyers

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873654/__Ambassade_geeft_Joran_lijst_advocaten__.html?p=1,1

Dutch embassy not happy with Peru showing Joran to the press yesterday

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6873663/__Nederland_roept_Peru_op_het_matje__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

it has started...I am telling you...it's started......the DEAL!!!    I will be more than happy to say I was wrong if I am...but for now I am sticking with the groundwork is being laid for a deal!!

told ya <sighhhhh>

The Dutch officials don't listen to anyone - they do things their way only.

The DUTCH emabassy personal can be asked to leave Peru.