Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[Curly]

Don't know if this video was already posted or not. Joran at police station, handing over his money, creditcards, pictures etc. His hair looks really blond there!

http://elcomercio.pe/player/490579

Very interesting video but... Is this supposed to be a criminal investigation? They're all touching the money!!! What about fingerprint testing!?! DNA!?!
DON'T TOUCH ALL THAT STUFF!!!
Before you know it the psychopatic serial killer is walking again.

I wonder what the lady at the end, dressed in white with gloves on is doing...drug testing? 

Looked like she was getting ready to do a cavity search. Lol!

[snoopy]

I personally take no delight in any of this.  Two lovely young women have been murdered.  To set here for five long years and watch how the corrupt officials and the likes of Julia Renfro have treated Natalee's family without any regard for justice......seeing that smug look on Jorans face when he was in Aruba knowing that his daddy had taken care of everything has put me in this situation of having no compassion for him.

I am especially upset with Paulus and Anita for if they had sought help for Jorans problems maybe he could have even been salvaged.  All they did was pamper and enable him.

I personally knew of a situation where parents had done everything right in the way they raised their children.  But there was one child who had some really bad problems.  We all knew he was headed for a life of crime and that he was eventually going to hurt someone.  There was nothing any of us could do as he had not broken the law.  The parents took him to Doctor after Doctor and evaluation after evaluation.  Nothing helped.  Finally when the boy grew up he was told he had to leave because he was causing so many problems within the family.  Everyone feared him.  I don't know what became of him.  I'm sure it isn't good.

My point is that sometimes kids have issues that we can't fix.  But we don't continue to enable them and keep getting them out of trouble.  That only makes them bolder.  Paulus and Anita knew they had a monster on their hands and they did nothing to help Joran.   

From a Christian point I am aware that I should continue to pray for Joran.  I do pray for his Salvation.

Dave Holloway went to see Juron in KIA.  He witnessed to him.  Joran turned his back on God. 

I am relieved that Joran will never hurt another young woman.

Joran is responsible for his actions.

Aruba is responsible for allowing him to carry out his violent crimes.  As is Anita and Paulus.

The blood is on their hands.

[Keepthefaith]

A GOOD DAY TOO ALL

KTF

[TURBOTHINK]

I think Peru will look at any and everything they can toss at Joran.  I don't think The Netherlands will try to interfer at all. They will follow to the letter what they are allowed to do, and not allowed to do. My opinion. We all want answers, instant answers, but I think we had all settle in for a long haul.  I don't profess to know either judicial system.
I just believe that the NL will be hands off, unless perhaps they perceive his human rights or judicial rights are violated under the Peruvian system, or international human rights violations, such as Joran being tortured.  I don't think the LE in Peru dare themselves harm him at this point.  All eyes are on them, and Peru is considered a developing country, at this time they want respect.  In today's 24/7 news coverage,
the internet, and with the Peruvian judicial system being an open one (lights, action, cameras!), any harm that comes to Joran while in custody (not saying once he is in prison following conviction) will not look good.  

I know so many here are joyous, and I like others are flabbergasted at all the news tumbling around regarding Joran.  But, somehow I see no joy in any of this, not anything, no delight at all.  A young promising life has been snuffed out, a family and country grieves, and somewhere in his life Joran was once promising as well.  We will never know what went wrong with him.  Something did, something terribly wrong.
  

I am joyous !! I see a serial killer off the streets. I am not the least bit interested in his "human rights" or how the world will see this. This is not about the world but a perverted freak who killed young women for pleasure. I am convinced the man has killed others in his pursuit of his father's devient lifestyle before him.

I do think the Netherlands will try to interfere and get him moved there because they have covered up his crimes and they have officials in high places which stand to "go down" with him when all of it comes out. In my opinion they are as much to blame for this death as he is because they protected him and his father in his other deviant actions. Let the ones who worry about "his" human rights now put their wrath where it belongs and aim it toward Aruba.

[snoopy]

I understand what you are sayin Jesdamala.

[klaasend]

Natalee walked into it under false pretenses...

It is probably EXACTLY what happened to Stephany, too.

To him, it's just like luring a mouse into a trap.

which ruse did he use?

Since she won money from another player, she most likely won money from him too. I am thinking she may have just been taking him there to his hotel to get her money and leave. They were in her car and she may have been told the money was in the room and she went to get what he owed her. Then he killed he and left in her car with her money too.

I hadn't thought of that, Turbo! If Stephany was not interested in a sexual relationship, which has been suggested, that would explain why she would go with him to his hotel room.

What made me think of that was the video from the office. She did not act the least bit interesting in him or what he was doing at all like someone would be if she were interested at all in him personally. It appeared much more like a business deal to me. If you noticed she followed behind him like you would do for business. I don't think she had any intention of being with him but just there to collect her money or something.

This makes sense to me.  Good thinking!

[Puzzler]

Don't know if this video was already posted or not. Joran at police station, handing over his money, creditcards, pictures etc. His hair looks really blond there!

http://elcomercio.pe/player/490579

Thanks Jo-An

So it looks like all the stuff Joran had left behind in the hotel room he claimed he couldn't remember, the one in Chile was found.  GOOD. 

They have his laptop too!

Klaas or anybody, is this verified?  If so, game so totally over and he is toast!

Police in Peru going through his stuff, while he is present.  Here they are removing his laptop from it's case:

Such a beautiful sight...I'd love for the FBI to get hold of it and find every single file he ever deleted.  That thing has got to be a gold mine!

[Jesdamala]

I understand what you are sayin Jesdamala.

[crazybabyborg]

Hi Monkeys!

I need to go catch up, but wanted to wave at everybody before I head back!! <monkey wave>!!

The last I read, the Dutch consulate was going to supply Joran with a defense atty. (grrrrr)

My thoughts were that they wanted involvement in the case to make sure Joran didn't spill any beans on their cover-up in Nat's case.

I'm sure that's really old news now, and may have even changed................ I'll go find out! You guys have been busy!

[Jesdamala]

Thank you. 

[klaasend]

Someone breaking into the ALE evidence drawer again?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3643&offId=0&offDate=2010-6

[carpe noctem]

Don't know if this video was already posted or not. Joran at police station, handing over his money, creditcards, pictures etc. His hair looks really blond there!

http://elcomercio.pe/player/490579

Thanks Jo-An

So it looks like all the stuff Joran had left behind in the hotel room he claimed he couldn't remember, the one in Chile was found.  GOOD. 

They have his laptop too!

Klaas or anybody, is this verified?  If so, game so totally over and he is toast!

Police in Peru going through his stuff, while he is present.  Here they are removing his laptop from it's case:

Such a beautiful sight...I'd love for the FBI to get hold of it and find every single file he ever deleted.  That thing has got to be a gold mine!

They probably will utilizing Interpol... if it has even one mark of the extortion transaction.

Makinggggg Copiessssss!!!

[Rob]

I think Peru will look at any and everything they can toss at Joran.  I don't think The Netherlands will try to interfer at all. They will follow to the letter what they are allowed to do, and not allowed to do. My opinion. We all want answers, instant answers, but I think we had all settle in for a long haul.  I don't profess to know either judicial system.
I just believe that the NL will be hands off, unless perhaps they perceive his human rights or judicial rights are violated under the Peruvian system, or international human rights violations, such as Joran being tortured.  I don't think the LE in Peru dare themselves harm him at this point.  All eyes are on them, and Peru is considered a developing country, at this time they want respect.  In today's 24/7 news coverage,
the internet, and with the Peruvian judicial system being an open one (lights, action, cameras!), any harm that comes to Joran while in custody (not saying once he is in prison following conviction) will not look good.  

I know so many here are joyous, and I like others are flabbergasted at all the news tumbling around regarding Joran.  But, somehow I see no joy in any of this, not anything, no delight at all.  A young promising life has been snuffed out, a family and country grieves, and somewhere in his life Joran was once promising as well.  We will never know what went wrong with him.  Something did, something terribly wrong.
  

I am joyous !! I see a serial killer off the streets. I am not the least bit interested in his "human rights" or how the world will see this. This is not about the world but a perverted freak who killed young women for pleasure. I am convinced the man has killed others in his pursuit of his father's devient lifestyle before him.

I do think the Netherlands will try to interfere and get him moved there because they have covered up his crimes and they have officials in high places which stand to "go down" with him when all of it comes out. In my opinion they are as much to blame for this death as he is because they protected him and his father in his other deviant actions. Let the ones who worry about "his" human rights now put their wrath where it belongs and aim it toward Aruba.

I concur - great post!

[TURBOTHINK]

Someone breaking into the ALE evidence drawer again?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3643&offId=0&offDate=2010-6

I would say there is a LOT they need to get rid of all of sudden.

[Jo-An]

Hi Monkeys!

I need to go catch up, but wanted to wave at everybody before I head back!! <monkey wave>!!

The last I read, the Dutch consulate was going to supply Joran with a defense atty. (grrrrr)

My thoughts were that they wanted involvement in the case to make sure Joran didn't spill any beans on their cover-up in Nat's case.

I'm sure that's really old news now, and may have even changed................ I'll go find out! You guys have been busy!

The Dutch consulate is NOT going to supply him with an attorney.
All they do is supply him with a list of attorneys, which is just common protocol for any Western prisoner detained in Peru.

[Jesdamala]

I understand what you are sayin Jesdamala.

Thank you.  Even though I registered years and years ago, I was only a reader, never a poster.  So, forgive my posting mistakes, I am getting used to how to reply!  I have two sons who bracket Joran in age.  Just where and how does a life go wrong?  Is it only the parenting?  The enabling?  Is it wiring?  If it was simply spoiling my guys would be messes.  They are not.  They were, and still are, spoiled with love, and things I can comfortably provide for them.  But I have been strict about behavior toward others.  Now, they live far away, and hopefully what they have been taught will stay with them.  I am appalled by Joran's behavior. I am very, very grateful my own sons did not take a similar path to destruction. 

[SunnyinTX]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hleon/detail?entry_id=65053

So I arrived in Lima Peru for my moonlighting job as a poker journalist covering the Latin American Poker Tour (LAPT). The minute I got off the plane I heard on the news that Joran Van der Sloot, the suspect in the Natalee Holloway case was involved in the slaying of 21 year-old Stephany Flores of Lima.

The two met at the Atlantic City Casino--where the LAPT was being held--and were captured together on security video. This was mere hours before I headed to the casino.

I asked the guy in charge of LAPT registration if Van der Sloot was registered as a player in the tournament. He said there was no record--Van der Sloot was merely a "railbird" as they say in poker slang--standing elbow-to-elbow with the other spectators.

The Hotel TAC in Miraflores, where the murder took place, was an eerie sight--mere blocks from where I was staying. Though the sign beamed OPEN, newspaper covered the windows preventing anyone from looking in.

The local Lima news brigade was camped outside the hotel trying to get comments from people, who were being questioned by the police, as they exited. Concerned hotel employees occasionally ducked their head outside the newspaper covered door--it's not good for business to be known as the murder hotel.

"We're trying to look for the police video," informed a local reporter. Despite the fact that the news stated that Van der Sloot and Flores were noted going alone to his hotel room, the reporter mentioned, "They are looking for another guy who was with him who they saw on the hotel security video." The reporter then proceeded to try and get a comment from a scared, tearful woman vacating the premises, while the police coroner also brushed them aside.

Just like in the States, the true victims of these sad, oversaturated news stories get lost in the sensationalistic headlines. (Except the one for "Hemorroides".) It's disturbing how one could go from amongst the railbirds as a poker fan at one of the most thrilling poker tournaments in the world to brutal sociopathic killer as quick as the flip of a river card.

And now a series of idiotic comments from a bunch of bitter writer wannabes........

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hleon/detail?entry_id=65053#ixzz0q6KRitK3

there are some good pictures accompanying this article....sorry if it's a repeat......but this is the first I have read about another guy with joran

[msmarple]

Posted at RU:

justamom wrote:


I just posted almost the same opinion. I believe its entirely possible that Natalee died of an overdose at her own hands. It also could have been as simple as drinking to the point of dehydration and having a seizure that killed her. I was born and raised in the desert in CA and worked in hotels. I remember more then a few times women coming to the resorts and drinking morning, noon and night, then passing out, having a seizure or etc while laying out in the sun.
(snipped)


O/T - when my husband and I drive to Las Vegas we go through those deserts.  Lot's of run down trailors and people that look like criminals.  I always wondered about the background of some of the posters at RU, now I know

http://www.ivarhagendoorn.com/photos/series/baker

yep......and now you know....they are all on crack

And then she went off and buried herself.

Also - I think it's possible that in the video with Joran's money etc. (Oh No No Gloves!) - I think it's his back pack, and he maybe he DID have that with him.

[carpe noctem]

Hi Monkeys!

I need to go catch up, but wanted to wave at everybody before I head back!! <monkey wave>!!

The last I read, the Dutch consulate was going to supply Joran with a defense atty. (grrrrr)

My thoughts were that they wanted involvement in the case to make sure Joran didn't spill any beans on their cover-up in Nat's case.

I'm sure that's really old news now, and may have even changed................ I'll go find out! You guys have been busy!

The Dutch consulate is NOT going to supply him with an attorney.
All they do is supply him with a list of attorneys, which is just common protocol for any Western prisoner detained in Peru.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/06/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3

Carlos Neyra, an official with the Peruvian National Police criminal investigation division, said van der Sloot, the sole suspect named in the case, has not been formally charged.

Neyra added that van der Sloot now has a lawyer, assigned by the Dutch Embassy. However, the embassy says while it is working with local authorities, it is not paying for a defense attorney.

[San]

I understand what you are sayin Jesdamala.

Thank you.  Even though I registered years and years ago, I was only a reader, never a poster.  So, forgive my posting mistakes, I am getting used to how to reply!  I have two sons who bracket Joran in age.  Just where and how does a life go wrong?  Is it only the parenting?  The enabling?  Is it wiring?  If it was simply spoiling my guys would be messes.  They are not.  They were, and still are, spoiled with love, and things I can comfortably provide for them.  But I have been strict about behavior toward others.  Now, they live far away, and hopefully what they have been taught will stay with them.  I am appalled by Joran's behavior. I am very, very grateful my own sons did not take a similar path to destruction. 

It's all of it.  He was a born sociopath.