Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[cece]

Trying to find a good photo of the Miguel Castro Castro prison.  If anyone finds a good one let me know.  I have the satellite view but I want a pic of the actual cells (and not the photo of them being allowed to play soccer)

Here's one: http://www.cpnradio.pe/html/2009/10/14/3/4696.htm

Thank you ERUobert



Phones and knives confiscated at the Miguel Castro Castro prison
OCT 14 | In a surprise intervention, the National Penitentiary Institute staff conducted an inspection at the Miguel Castro Castro, achieving seize large quantity of mobile phones and weapons sharp.

 The requisition began last night and ended this morning.  Took place in the halls "2B" and "6B", which found 30 knives and guards, 25 cell phones, as well as 17 batteries for cellular phones, two cameras, five hands free, 12 chips, 19 and 72 chargers for cell phones liters of fermented chicha.

[cece]

Trying to find a good photo of the Miguel Castro Castro prison.  If anyone finds a good one let me know.  I have the satellite view but I want a pic of the actual cells (and not the photo of them being allowed to play soccer)

I've been looking with no luck.  This isn't much.  A little too artsy:

"Captivity” (“Cautiverio”) is a photographic series of 4 photos that took more than two years of arduous research to Galia Gálvez. Through her camera, Galia discovered and recorded the day to day life of the convicts of the Castro Castro Prison.

http://www.usmp.edu.pe/webingles/novedades/index.php?pag=concurfoto

Behind the mesh:


Painting absences:


Sleeping courtyard:


From my cell:


http://www.usmp.edu.pe/webingles/novedades/index.php?pag=concurfoto1

Thank you Cece!

You're so very welcome.  Sorry, I'll continue to look for something better.

[JE]

Joran wil Peruaanse advocaat

Joran van der Sloot, die verdacht wordt van de moord op de Peruaanse Stephany Flores , wil een Peruaanse advocaat toegewezen krijgen en geen Nederlander.

Tijdens zijn verhoor zaterdagmiddag wilde hij geen antwoord geven aan de politie over de dood van Flores. De reden hiervoor was dat hij erg moe was van de reis van de Chileens-Peruaanse grens naar de Peruaanse hoofdstad Lima. Dat schrijft de Peruaanse krant Perú21. Volgens de krant heeft hij verklaard nooit aangehouden te zijn in Chili, maar dat hij zich heeft overgegeven aan de politie daar omdat hij wist dat hij werd gezocht.


JVDS wants peruvian lawyer

JVDS a suspect of the murder of stephany flores, wants a peruvian lawyer and not a dutch one.

During his interrogation on saturday afternoon he did not want to answer any questions as to the death of flores. The reason being that he was very tired from his trip from chile to the peruvian capital of lima. This is what The peruvian newspaper PERU21 reports. The paper also reports that JVDS has declared that he was never arrested in chile but had turned himself in because he knew the police were looking for him.



http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2010/joran-wil-peruaanse-advocaat/

[cece]

http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/van-der-sloot-seeks-own-lawyer-in-peru-730618.html

Van der Sloot seeks own lawyer in Peru murder case

Thank you TURBOTHINK

snipped from your link:

Until he hires his own counsel, "the guys prosecuting him will decide which attorney he's going to get," van der Sloot's U.S. attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told the AP,

Tacopina said the suspect's family "is trying to find competent counsel."

Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."

She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

Van der Sloot is one of 117 Dutch citizens currently in Peruvian jails or prisons, most of them on drug-related charges, Lowe said.

The suspect spoke to his mother by telephone for the first time Saturday, Lowe said, adding that she did not know whether the mother plans to travel to Peru.

[klaasend]

http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/van-der-sloot-seeks-own-lawyer-in-peru-730618.html

Van der Sloot seeks own lawyer in Peru murder case

Van der Sloot seeks own lawyer in Peru murder case
By FRANK BAJAK

The Associated Press

Updated: 5:02 p.m. Sunday, June 6, 2010

Published: 3:05 p.m. Sunday, June 6, 2010

Joran van der Sloot will spend all week at criminal police headquarters being questioned in the death of a 21-year-old Lima woman and has asked to be able to hire his own lawyer, authorities said Sunday.

The Dutchman, who is also the prime suspect in U.S. teen Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance in Aruba, is being held in a seventh-floor cell with a bunk bed and blanket and gets three hot meals a day, said Maj. Jose Gamboa, spokesman for the Peruvian national police.

Van der Sloot is suspected in the May 30 killing — five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance — of Stephany Flores, a business student who police say he met playing poker at a casino.

Police released video Saturday taken by security cameras at the hotel where van der Sloot had been staying since arriving from Colombia on May 14. It shows the two entering van der Sloot's room together and the Dutchman leaving alone four hours later.

The woman's battered body was found on the room's floor more than two days later, her neck broken. Van der Sloot had by then crossed into Chile, where he was arrested Thursday.

In video taken of the husky 22-year-old Dutchman that was broadcast Sunday by a TV channel, Peruvian police search van der Sloot's belongings in his presence.

They pull out of his backpack a laptop, a business-card holder and 15 bills in foreign currency. Van der Sloot tells police the money includes Thai, Cambodian and Bolivian currency. He is asked for credit cards and documents and appears to say — his Spanish is very rudimentary — that they are in a hotel room back in Chile.

Peru's chief homicide investigator, Col. Miguel Canlla, would neither confirm nor deny a Sunday report in the Lima newspaper El Comercio that van der Sloot told his Peruvian questioners he was innocent of the Flores killing.

"I don't know where that information came from," Canlla told The Associated Press. "We are still in the investigative stage."

Chilean police said earlier that van der Sloot declared himself innocent in the Lima slaying but acknowledged having met Flores.

Van der Sloot was represented by a state-appointed lawyer during Saturday's questioning.

Until he hires his own counsel, "the guys prosecuting him will decide which attorney he's going to get," van der Sloot's U.S. attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told the AP,

Tacopina said the suspect's family "is trying to find competent counsel."

Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."

She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

Van der Sloot is one of 117 Dutch citizens currently in Peruvian jails or prisons, most of them on drug-related charges, Lowe said.

The suspect spoke to his mother by telephone for the first time Saturday, Lowe said, adding that she did not know whether the mother plans to travel to Peru.

Van der Sloot's father, a former judge and attorney on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba, died in February. The suspect has two brothers.

After a a 17-hour journey up the Pan-American Highway from Chile in a police caravan Saturday, the young Dutchman was paraded, sheathed in bulletproof vest and handcuffed, before reporters at criminal police headquarters in Lima.

He was then submitted to an initial interrogation. A judge subsequently granted prosecutors' request to extend van der Sloot's preliminary detention order seven more days, said Gamboa, the national police spokesman.

If tried and convicted of murder, van der Sloot faces a potential prison term of 35 years.

He remains, meanwhile, the prime suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of Holloway, an Alabama teen who hasn't been seen since May 30, 2005. He was arrested and released in that case, and faces no charges.

Van der Sloot was charged Thursday in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died.

U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name. In the Netherlands on Friday, prosecutors raided two homes in the case, seizing computers, cell phones and data-storage devices.

Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

Holloway, 18, was celebrating her high school graduation on Aruba when she disappeared. Van der Sloot told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. That's the last anyone saw her.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying that after Holloway collapsed on the beach he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

The same journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.

[klaasend]

Cece - between your photos and the one that EURobert found I think I have enough.  Thank you very much! 

[Anna]

But what is the psychiatric disorder that causes people to become apologists for, defenders, sustainers and in total denial where guilt is glaringly apparent?  You know, the one who always say something other COULD have happened when the odds make it just about impossible? 

You know the kind that are always obsessing over the rights of the suspects and in denial that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence for prosecution and conviction--the "no body, no crime" types and a society that in general is so busy protecting one of their own they have no desire for jutixe?

They are killers the same as Joran but do so out of feelings of being morally superior when in fact they are just plain stupid and that stupidity gets other innocent people killed and lives ruined.

I wonder if there is a name for what is wrong with those people as well.

And yes, Arlene, we DO understand your system totally.

Lordy did I have an experience with these types this week - jury duty. < rolls eyes >

Sworn in and told to follow instructions, and all said they would.

When it came to the end - three said that there was no way they would convict or change their minds.

They made up facts not included in the testimony, made of evidence, and had blatant disregard for the oath they took. Literally, they lied to get on a jury, and then decided there would be no justice if they were a part of the process.

One told me that she was not going to believe the circumstantial evidence no matter what, even though the defense agreed that it was relevant and did not contest it.

I was like trying to reason with an old boot.

Yeah, it's like some kind of warped and malignant sympathy.  Judges who let convicted sex offenders walk with a slap on the wrist also come to mind because they are incurable and should be under some kind of house arrest or something the rest of their miserable lives.

But this type killks as surely as the anti-social personality only they get away with it.

[A's Fever]

So Joran GAVE Jaap the map?????? Joran essentially ADMITTED guilt by extorting the Holloways. Joran killed again on the exact 5 year anniversary date. 
I am convinced Joran WANTED to be finally caught.

Sorry but I just am not falling for this again until Beth says Natalee is home.
I can never believe that Joran wanted to get caught he's way too selfish. Not buying it he got caught because he thought he was untouchable, Well Joran your not in the Netherlands anymore...

I am completely with you Blonde.  Although some shrinks and counselors believe that criminals want to be caught...I never have bought that theory.  The shrinks are just saying the opposite of what they have said before..in otherwords....a narcissistic psycho/ socio path /anti social personality disordered individual does not have a conscience..that we agree on..but  other shrinks saying they want to be caught negates that statement an attributes something to these people they don't have..empathy, compassion, conscience.  Nope..not happening.  These people serve no other person or God then themselves.

Juran had no conscience and never will.  I believe he didn't know that Stephany was the daughter of such a powerful and famous man.  I believe he thought she was someone that just hung around casinos, played poker and no one would miss for sometime...like the girls in Thailand.   He thought wrong this time.  Criminals become more brazen the more crimes they get away with..not because they develop a conscience and want to be caught.  Joran had developed caught a lifestyle for himself that few young men have at his age.  I doubt he ever decided to exchange that lifestyle for jail in Peru. 

If Joran truly wanted to be caught, I don't think he would choose to go to prison as a foreigner in Peru. It would make more sense to be caught in the Netherlands - or even the US - where the prisons are known to be reasonably comfortable.

[Scatty]

As a fairly recent follower of the Natalee Holloway disappearance, I only just saw the interview with the sociopath and Greta Van Sustern where the creep tried to totally control the interview, while saying Natalee had been sold to a Venezualan. Greta mentioned that Fox paid for licensing three recordings given to them from Joran. Thanks to the Anthony case, I've learned that licensing can be a pretty hefty sum, regardless of whether they say they aren't "paying" for the interview. Does anyone know how much was paid to the POS via the Western Union transfer that was talked about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJSFmPsPpaM&NR=1

[JE]

A few pages back there was an article from a guy that covers the poker tournaments saying that JVDS was not a participant in said tournament.
He was a railhanger (spectator)
Why was he in Lima? Just some R&R?

[crazybabyborg]

Glad you found some pictures of the prison Klaas. I was looking but I couldn't find any of what you wanted. I don't think Peru includes those pics in their travel brochures........... just sayin.

[loca]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00
peru jails

[Ono]

Thanks EURobert - I may have to do something with that voodoo footage 

What the heck were they stabbing? a joran doll and tomatoes in a sack?

Remind me never to tick off a Peruvian witch doctor. Great googlie mooglie!!!!

Remember when Joran threw the wine on DeVries? I was so struck by Anita's reaction to it. It was an almost gentle  "Awww, no" and shaking her head. If she had been a little more like these guys, Joran might be an upstanding citizen instead of a murderer!

I don't speak their language, but I get the gist of it, and I wouldn't tick them off either!!

In my view, it's tragic Anita & Paulus didn't love Joran enough to teach him good moral character ... Instead it seems they stressed how to self-servingly exploit "the Law" so as to get away with as much mischief & evil as possible-- IMO.   

How's that 'agnosticism' workin' for ya, Joran?

[Gypsy DD]

But what is the psychiatric disorder that causes people to become apologists for, defenders, sustainers and in total denial where guilt is glaringly apparent?  You know, the one who always say something other COULD have happened when the odds make it just about impossible? 

You know the kind that are always obsessing over the rights of the suspects and in denial that there is sufficient circumstantial evidence for prosecution and conviction--the "no body, no crime" types and a society that in general is so busy protecting one of their own they have no desire for jutixe?

They are killers the same as Joran but do so out of feelings of being morally superior when in fact they are just plain stupid and that stupidity gets other innocent people killed and lives ruined.

I wonder if there is a name for what is wrong with those people as well.

And yes, Arlene, we DO understand your system totally.

It is called enabler..otherwise known as I am covering my ass..trying to keep your ass out of trouble.

[JE]

As a fairly recent follower of the Natalee Holloway disappearance, I only just saw the interview with the sociopath and Greta Van Sustern where the creep tried to totally control the interview, while saying Natalee had been sold to a Venezualan. Greta mentioned that Fox paid for licensing three recordings given to them from Joran. Thanks to the Anthony case, I've learned that licensing can be a pretty hefty sum, regardless of whether they say they aren't "paying" for the interview. Does anyone know how much was paid to the POS via the Western Union transfer that was talked about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJSFmPsPpaM&NR=1

That is an old interview from 2008 i believe it is on youtube in 6 or 7 parts. In the last part they broadcast the so called converstation between JVDS and his dad. The conversation is in dutch and the voices in no way resemble the voices of JVDS and PVDS. Just another scam by the criminal mastermind JVDS wrongly believes he is. And for falling for this, Greta Van S get 50 points substracted from her IQ. Flying half way across the world to be scammed by a punk LOL

[San]

A few pages back there was an article from a guy that covers the poker tournaments saying that JVDS was not a participant in said tournament.
He was a railhanger (spectator)
Why was he in Lima? Just some R&R?

Looking for his next target.  He went there with a plan of murder.  It is not a coincidence that he committed a murder on the five year anniversary of Natalee's murder.  JMO.

[cece]

http://www.livinginperu.com/news/3110

Lima | 29 January, 2007 [ 11:07 ]
Lima, Peru: Prison riot results in 2 deaths and 5 injured



An external view of Miguel Castro Castro Prison

[Jerseygirl345]

Joran belongings being inspected.. Dont know if this was posted..


http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://elcomercio.pe/&ei=vlkKTOG7MYT48Aao4NCNBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=el+comercio+peru&hl=en

[klaasend]

A few pages back there was an article from a guy that covers the poker tournaments saying that JVDS was not a participant in said tournament.
He was a railhanger (spectator)
Why was he in Lima? Just some R&R?

Even though the big tournament was going to start and Joran wasn't entered, that doesn't mean that he couldn't act like a big guy and gamble.  He loves to gamble tournament or not.  Likely he didn't qualify for the tournament and that's the only reason he wasn't signed up for it. 

He was in Lima to follow the LAPT around, gamble and run away from the FBI and Aruba.

[klaasend]

http://www.livinginperu.com/news/3110

Lima | 29 January, 2007 [ 11:07 ]
Lima, Peru: Prison riot results in 2 deaths and 5 injured



An external view of Miguel Castro Castro Prison

That's a good one too, thanks!  I think I have enough now.  Red asked me for it so I'm sure he wants for an SM front page post he's putting together.