Natalee Case Discussion #834 6/4/10 - 6/6/10

[Northern Rose]

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is transported by land Arequipa and Lima arrives Saturday

(Photos courtesy of Tacna Radio One) The early Saturday just arrived in Lima citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands (23) expelled from Chile for alleged perpetrator of the murder of the young Stephany Flores, 21, daughter of well-known Ricardo Flores.

The alien is transported in a police car, police said. According to information, the alleged murderer is transferred to the capital under heavy security. The police contingent was made up of four patrolmen.

As reported by the head of the Territorial Police Directorate in Tacna, Colonel James Ordinola, approximately fifty police received Joran Van der Sloot in Tacna, on the border with Chile.

The accused is expected to reach the capital in the early hours of morning. According to Colonel PNP Malaver Manuel Huaman, head of Interpol Peru, the citizens Netherlands will be transferred to the detention of Dirincri, just step Lima.

Since his departure from Santa Rosa border post, the vehicle carrying it stood up and did not make any stops on the various streets of the town of the Heroic City.

The entry of Tacna, police vehicles fully fueled, joined the tour that goes on the Panamerican Highway North.
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As reported by the head of the Territorial Police Directorate in Tacna, Colonel James Ordinola, approximately fifty police received Joran Van der Sloot in Tacna, on the border with Chile.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.com/201006056865/Ultima-Hora/Holandes-Joran-van-der-Sloot-es-trasladado-a-Lima-por-tierra-y-llega-el-sabado.html

[Blonde]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

This guy

[MuffyBee]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2249.msg292808#msg292808
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 -
« Reply #879 on: October 21, 2007, 03:19:07 PM »


What bothers me the most is Pauluus that night was looking up drugs and alcohol.  And then Joran's website is taken down.Then there was the report that the youngest son posted something to the effect of a girl dead in the bath tub. Just food for thought - if she wasn't in the ocean why is Jossy doing his own search of the ocean?  Just pondering valid questions here now.  My thought is if she was in the ocean it wasn't the first places she was buried.  How about the furniture truck also that was at the PVS site.  Was that to get rid of a body and to replace furniture?  Same as the concrete.  And I remember somewhere maybe on Monday or Tuesday Pauluus doing some gardening.  Really planting flowers or burying a body? (Snip)

[Rob]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

and Joran kept promising the old man he would come and live with him.

lol - right can.

Probably not this house that was searched, but it's in Holland and he knows Joran and was a victim.

Martin and Joran all snuggled up, drinking hot tea and rubbing each others feet.

Some how I still see Joran doing that - but in prison, minus the tea.

[klaasend]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

Oh I had forgotten all about that dude.

[texasmom]

My thoughts exactly.  

And perhaps the no sexual assault on Stephany was because killing her is how he got his gratification this time?  Or maybe he truly does have impotency issues...........hmmmm I think it's time for Aline and Melody to both step forward with their sexual encounters with him.  We already know the Aruban Stephany (can't remember her last name) accused him of drugging her...

I disagree.  I think he planned this entire murder.  He let the world know exactly how he killed Natalee from beginning to the end (casino, drugged, murder and the weapon he used).  In his sick mind he thought he was going to get away with it.  But this time he picked the wrong country and the wrong family.  He picked a father who has as much influence as his own father.  JMO.

San, I agree completely with all of your thoughts.  I just wonder at the difference in the sexual assault vs no sexual assault.

I've also been thinking about the Hotel.............remember Joran and Co used to get a room at the Marriott (and one other hotel, can't remember which) to party in?  And Deepak even admitted in one of his statements to ALE that they have taken tourist girl(s) back to those hotel rooms.

I wonder if they took Natalee to one that night....

I'm wondering about that too.

It is a very common practice on the island, even to this day.  

Wasn't there talk of a room at the Holiday Inn iirc being "remodeled" shortly after Natalee disappeared?

[Northern Rose]

Tacna, Peru (AP) - Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, accused of the murder of a young Peruvian, and prior involvement in the disappearance of an American student in Aruba, was delivered on Friday by the authorities in Chile to Peru in police the border.

Van der Sloot, 22, arrived in the Chilean city of Arica on a plane from Santiago, after seven hours of flight, and was then taken in a van to the border with Peru, where he was handed over to Peruvian Interpol agents.

The young, big and tall, was handcuffed and wearing the same clothes he was arrested the day before. Interpol agents put a bulletproof vest and taken to the Special Commissioner Concord, attached to the border checkpoint Santa Rosa in the Tacna region, which was reviewed by forensic pathologists.

The chief of staff Javier Velásquez told reporters Friday night that Van der Sloot was transported by ground by agents of Interpol from Tacna to Lima on a trip that will last all night. Tacna is located 990 kilometers southeast of Lima.

"In the early hours of tomorrow (Saturday) this subject will be delivered to the disposal of the judicial authorities for trial," Velasquez said.

The Dutchman is the prime suspect of killing a college student blows Stephany Flores, 21, whose body was found in the hotel room in Lima, where Van der Sloot was staying, on Wednesday morning, three days reported after his disappearance.

The Dutchman was located and held in Santiago on Tuesday after the Peruvian authorities alerted that had crossed the border into Chile on Monday.

Van der Sloot was also the main accused in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, but released for lack of evidence.

Deputy Chief of Public Affairs of Chile Fernando Ovalle said this morning that the Police Department received on Thursday, a couple of hours before midnight, a decree to expel the Netherlands.

Van der Sloot was discovered by the IDPs on Thursday while returning by taxi from the resort of Vina del Mar to Santiago, about 40 miles northwest of Santiago.

Ovalle told the press that the Netherlands made statements to the police in fluent Spanish in which "obviously denies any involvement they may have in fact against him in Lima."

Upon the death of Flores, "he says to have known and which would eventually be transferred to a casino."

According to security camera images and at least two witnesses, Van der Sloot was the last person that Flores was seen alive, police said.

A hotel employee of TAC in the district of Miraflores, where the Dutchman was staying, told police he saw the couple enter the room of Van der Sloot early Sunday May 30, where the body was found three flowers days later.

She died of a broken neck vertebra and had multiple bruises and abrasions on the body, according to detectives Peruvians.

"My daughter has endured, there has been violence, resistance to being raped and there's been murdered," said Friday the girl's father, businessman and racer Ricardo Flores, in an interview with The Associated Press.

President Alan Garcia declared that Van der Sloot "has to face the murder that has occurred here and if justice is found responsible for this murder will have to serve his sentence here."

In a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Alabama, Holloway's home state, Van der Sloot was accused of having promised to describe the circumstances of the death of Holloway in exchange for money.

http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/100605/latinoamerica/ams_gen_chile_peru_holandes?

[Buckeye]

Somebody help me out here...

Wasn't it Joran's brother Val that we heard had said he'd bashed her head in with a baseball bat?

Yes, he said Joran cut her head off above the eyebrows.  Consistent with description of a head wound from something like a bat.

And something about her being in their bathtub?

I have never heard this before.

I remember the part about her being in their bathtub.  Wasn't there some sort of photo or something circulating?

It was briefly on Val's myspace or facebook.  Taken down rather quickly.

Stephanie Croes

[Shan1628]

I am seriously hoping that ARUBA takes a nasty hit from international press (ANYTHING negative at this point) for NOT doing what they should have from day 1.  If they would've investigated properly and kept their crooked butts on the straight and narrow, that island wouldn't be looking so bad as it has for the past 5 years... HOPE IT WAS WORTH IT, ARUBA....

I wonder if that island feels a bit of remorse for the pain they helped cause?  Doubt it.  Sadly.  Of course, OMO

[jen3560]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

and Joran kept promising the old man he would come and live with him.

lol - right can.

Probably not this house that was searched, but it's in Holland and he knows Joran and was a victim.

Martin and Joran all snuggled up, drinking hot tea and rubbing each others feet.

Some how I still see Joran doing that - but in prison, minus the tea.

Actually Rob, this guy was a great thought of yours.  Remember he wired money to Joran.  Could be that FBI seized Martin's computer to be able to compare account #'s - the one Martin wired to, and the one the 15k was wired to.  Much quicker and easier than getting an international warrant for Martin's bank records.

[can]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

and Joran kept promising the old man he would come and live with him.

lol - right can.

Probably not this house that was searched, but it's in Holland and he knows Joran and was a victim.

Martin and Joran all snuggled up, drinking hot tea and rubbing each others feet.

Some how I still see Joran doing that - but in prison, minus the tea.

Think he'll have to do a lot of "foot rubbing" to stay alive in Peru!
I want to see him alive and suffering, for a long, long time!

[Rob]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

ohhh, wait, I think I see what happened, jen is thinking of Maartin - the Thailand pedo

[jen3560]

My thoughts exactly.  

And perhaps the no sexual assault on Stephany was because killing her is how he got his gratification this time?  Or maybe he truly does have impotency issues...........hmmmm I think it's time for Aline and Melody to both step forward with their sexual encounters with him.  We already know the Aruban Stephany (can't remember her last name) accused him of drugging her...

I disagree.  I think he planned this entire murder.  He let the world know exactly how he killed Natalee from beginning to the end (casino, drugged, murder and the weapon he used).  In his sick mind he thought he was going to get away with it.  But this time he picked the wrong country and the wrong family.  He picked a father who has as much influence as his own father.  JMO.

San, I agree completely with all of your thoughts.  I just wonder at the difference in the sexual assault vs no sexual assault.

I've also been thinking about the Hotel.............remember Joran and Co used to get a room at the Marriott (and one other hotel, can't remember which) to party in?  And Deepak even admitted in one of his statements to ALE that they have taken tourist girl(s) back to those hotel rooms.

I wonder if they took Natalee to one that night....

I'm wondering about that too.

It is a very common practice on the island, even to this day.  

Wasn't there talk of a room at the Holiday Inn iirc being "remodeled" shortly after Natalee disappeared?

Mmmmm I vaguely remember something about a remodeling.  But the Marriott really strikes a chord with me.  Remember there were pics of them partying there plastered all over the web.  Could explain why Purcell was so instantly and horribly nasty on the internet.

[jen3560]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

ohhh, wait, I think I see what happened, jen is thinking of Maartin - the Thailand pedo

I think so!  LOL, is THAT the guy who wired money to Joran?

[Magnolia]

My thoughts exactly.  

And perhaps the no sexual assault on Stephany was because killing her is how he got his gratification this time?  Or maybe he truly does have impotency issues...........hmmmm I think it's time for Aline and Melody to both step forward with their sexual encounters with him.  We already know the Aruban Stephany (can't remember her last name) accused him of drugging her...

I disagree.  I think he planned this entire murder.  He let the world know exactly how he killed Natalee from beginning to the end (casino, drugged, murder and the weapon he used).  In his sick mind he thought he was going to get away with it.  But this time he picked the wrong country and the wrong family.  He picked a father who has as much influence as his own father.  JMO.

San, I agree completely with all of your thoughts.  I just wonder at the difference in the sexual assault vs no sexual assault.

I've also been thinking about the Hotel.............remember Joran and Co used to get a room at the Marriott (and one other hotel, can't remember which) to party in?  And Deepak even admitted in one of his statements to ALE that they have taken tourist girl(s) back to those hotel rooms.

I wonder if they took Natalee to one that night....

I'm wondering about that too.

It is a very common practice on the island, even to this day.  

Wasn't there talk of a room at the Holiday Inn iirc being "remodeled" shortly after Natalee disappeared?

Mmmmm I vaguely remember something about a remodeling.  But the Marriott really strikes a chord with me.  Remember there were pics of them partying there plastered all over the web.  Could explain why Purcell was so instantly and horribly nasty on the internet.

Made more work for Purcell.  Wasn't he the maintainence man?

[jen3560]

Joran defrauded (I don't think extorted is the right word here) Martin Bakx - about 6000 Euros or dollars.

I remember him, Rob.  That was when Joran was in NL........but I thought Martin was in another country?

Old man was in NL.  Joran was in Thailand.

ohhh, wait, I think I see what happened, jen is thinking of Maartin - the Thailand pedo

I think so!  LOL, is THAT the guy who wired money to Joran?

Scratch that.  The martin I'm thinking of is the one in the NL.  I was just bass ackward on who was in which country at the time.

[Northern Rose]

Joran Van der Sloot llegará a Lima a primeras horas de este sábado
Así lo confirmó el jefe del Gabinete, Javier Velásquez Quesquén tras detallar que el ciudadano holandés es trasladado por vía terrestre y custodiado por la Policía Nacional.

Cabinet chief, Javier Velásquez Quesquén confirmed that Joran Van der Sloot, Netherlands citizen accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores, come to Lima in the early hours of Saturday, RPP reported.

Velásquez Quesquén referred also to the citizen Dutchman is transported by land guarded by the Police and explained that could not be used to move aircraft from Tacna to Lima, as these are used to carry persons who participate in the fortieth Assembly General of the Organization of American States, to be held in the capital.

'(The planes) are scheduled for the organization of the OAS, is very difficult and can be a danger that we can bring it through on a commercial flight and therefore it was decided that the file is transferred by road with all the security and in the early morning hours this subject will be delivered to the disposal of the judicial authorities for trial, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-joran-van-der-sloot-llegara-a-lima-a-primeras-horas-de-este-sabado-noticia_270048.html

[jen3560]

Made more work for Purcell.  Wasn't he the maintainence man?

LOL - I think he did have a lower level job there, I just don't remember what it was.

[Northern Rose]

It seems he is going straight to trial?  No beauty sleep for him.

[Magnolia]

Joran Van der Sloot llegará a Lima a primeras horas de este sábado
Así lo confirmó el jefe del Gabinete, Javier Velásquez Quesquén tras detallar que el ciudadano holandés es trasladado por vía terrestre y custodiado por la Policía Nacional.

Cabinet chief, Javier Velásquez Quesquén confirmed that Joran Van der Sloot, Netherlands citizen accused of murdering the young Stephany Flores, come to Lima in the early hours of Saturday, RPP reported.

Velásquez Quesquén referred also to the citizen Dutchman is transported by land guarded by the Police and explained that could not be used to move aircraft from Tacna to Lima, as these are used to carry persons who participate in the fortieth Assembly General of the Organization of American States, to be held in the capital.

'(The planes) are scheduled for the organization of the OAS, is very difficult and can be a danger that we can bring it through on a commercial flight and therefore it was decided that the file is transferred by road with all the security and in the early morning hours this subject will be delivered to the disposal of the judicial authorities for trial, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-04-joran-van-der-sloot-llegara-a-lima-a-primeras-horas-de-este-sabado-noticia_270048.html

660 mile drive