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« Reply #540 on: June 05, 2010, 02:35:40 AM »

Spanish to English translationShow romanization
He swore to the police he is innocent and asked to call his mother

Defense strategy. Today, it is Joran Van Der Sloot Lima crime of Stephany Flores. 22 year old Dutchman told the authorities be responsible for the death of Stephany Flores. Yesterday he questioned other witnesses to the crime.

Walter Mello. Tacna.

"Give notice to my mom, she should know I stopped," was the first thing he said the citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands to the Chilean authorities, moments before being transferred to Peruvian soil to account for the death of Stephany Flores.

Amid impressive security measures was taken Dutchman citizen. The alleged murderer of Stephany Ramirez Flores, daughter of Ricardo Flores racer, arrived from Santiago airport Chacalluta located in Arica at 2:30 pm in a Cessna 310, the Police Department in the country.

Van der Sloot was enmarrocado and walked with ease, unconcerned, as if he handled the situation. For its size and face of indifference, stood over the cops who were guarding and measuring each of its movements.

Security measures

No major problem was the Peruvian territory escort to the chief of Police Region XV Arica-Parinacota, Douglas Rodriguez Moris, and the governor of Arica, José Durana Semir, who delivered the detainee to the executive director of Interpol-Lima, Colonel Manuel PNP Malaver Huaman.
The award was presented by averaging three in the afternoon at the station in La Concordia, located near the Peruvian border post of Santa Rosa. Police officers received a citizen Dutchman arrest warrant issued by the 6th Criminal Court of Lima.

The strength of the Interpol to put a bulletproof vest Van der Sloot, before entering the police station tacneña.

Expulsion was successful

For its part, the representative of Interpol, Peru, Manuel Malaver, described as successful the operation coordinated by the institution with the country of Chile.

At approximately 4:30 pm was moved to Joran van der Sloot by land. Nearly a dozen security units left the town of Tacna.

A convoy of five vehicles belonging to the Interpol Peru and the Highway Patrol will fly to Lima Tacna.
 At 8 and 49 o'clock the procession arrived at the police headquarters Arequipa road at kilometer 973 of the Panamerican Highway South, for change of custody between the police highway of Tacna and Arequipa, the latter is responsible Dutchman's arrival to Lima to answer for the high-profile crime charged.

It is estimated that the arrival of Van der Sloot to Lima would be the average of 8 to 30 am today, and immediately be transferred to the headquarters of the Homicide Division of the Department of Criminology of the National Police.

Jura innocence

On Thursday in Santiago, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot denied being the author of the murder of Stephany Flores, said yesterday the deputy prefect of Aliens of the Investigative Police of Chile (PDI), Fernando Ovalle.

"He denies any involvement that would obviously take the facts alleged against him." "He only says that he knew (a Stephany Flores)" and remembers "that at some point had moved to a casino."

The declaration of the citizen Dutchman was taken early yesterday morning in Castilian "because he spoke very fluent Castilian," said Ovalle.

Other poker players who managed to meet the young Dutchman was told that he would say in English: "I consider myself a handsome, but women do not want to go with me."

 "I go, they convert, even dance salsa and merengue, but then, when I tell them to go together, I say no," complained that night before the crime.

Meanwhile, in Lima, was questioned in Dirincri Adeli Abad, Tac hotel employee, who found the body of the young victim.
Similarly Elton went to interview Garcia, who also participated in the same tournament poker with Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores.

Alan Word

Here. President Alan Garcia said that "if justice is found responsible (the Netherlands) of the murder, must serve his sentence here, then it would be extradited to the United States."

Order. He said the case is a warning call. "All parents must educate our children and to identify standards of discipline. We can not have someone, a momentary fever, lends itself to go with another person who has just met, "he said.

You may receive up to life imprisonment

For Mario Amoretti criminal lawyer, this is a case of aggravated robbery resulting in death, as Van der Sloot was U.S. $ 5000 in Stephany Flores. According to the coroner, "violence is being exercised and that the sentence is life imprisonment."

In contrast to the chairman of the Judiciary, Javier Villa Stein, the Dutchman would receive a sentence of 25 years for the murder of Stephany. "However, because of the benefits would prisons in six or seven years, so I asked Congress to amend the Criminal Code.

The Court of Alabama, in the U.S., we initiated a legal process Dutchman Van der Sloot for the crime of extortion, for the murder of Natalee Holloway in 2005. For this fact the judge could ask for the extradition of the European. Van der Sloot asked Natalee's family U.S. $ 250 000 to give the whereabouts of the body of the girl killed. Amoretti believes that you must first answer for the crimes committed in Peru.

Luis Lamas Puccio's attorney felt that the judicial process of Joran van der Sloot would end within two years.

Chronology

Route murderer

Friday 14 May. Comes citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands to Peru, from Colombia.

Saturday 29 May. The young man goes to Atlantic City casino de Miraflores, where he was to participate in competitive Latin American Poker Tour.

Sunday 30 May. At 5:16 in the morning is removed from the casino accompanied by his victim: Stephany Flores (21).

Sunday 30 May. At 5.28, approximately, both entered the Miraflores hotel TAC, where Van der Sloot was staying.

Sunday 30 May. Upon arriving at 9 in the morning the Dutchman left the hotel with a suitcase and a backpack. Also had the keys to the vehicle, which would have taken portfolio Stephany, and left the area.

Monday 31 May. Van der Sloot admitted to Chile by land, through the control of Santa Rosa. That same Monday, the police located the truck abandoned in Groove Stephany.

Thursday 3 June. At noon he was arrested, at the height of Curacaví, by agents of the Investigative Police of Chile. The Dutchman citizen on his way to board a taxi to the resort of Viña del Mar.

Friday 4 June. It moved from Chile to Peru. Tacna arrives at 14.30. And at 20.49 to Arequipa.

Saturday 5 June. Around 8:30 am Joran van der Sloot will be arriving in Lima, before being questioned in the Homicide Division of the Dirincri.

The route of the victim

Saturday 29 May. On reaching 22 hours, Stephany Flores (21) had contacted his father, Ricardo Flores racer, and he said it would participate in a poker competition in Atlantic City casino.

Saturday 29 May. At 2:45 am, leaving her friends in San Isidro and goes to the casino.

Sunday 30 May. At 5:16 am is removed from the casino in the company of the Netherlands.

Wednesday 2 June. In the morning the police found her dead in the hotel TAC.

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« Reply #541 on: June 05, 2010, 02:36:32 AM »

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JUSTICE ALWAYS STOOD A CHANCE

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.....

ME THINKS,A BUNCH OF MONKEYS DROVE THE SLOOTS BANANAS...

JUST SAYIN ARUBA!

BELIEVE THAT!
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« Reply #542 on: June 05, 2010, 02:37:56 AM »

I'd like to know if she was drugged before going to his hotel . Is there video of them entering or just eye witness accounts. I wonder if she was walking on her own or he was supporting her.
curly, I know the peruvian culture because big part of my family is from peru and I grew up there and I know that is very bad to go to a hotel with somebody, It doesn't mean that girls don't go to the hotel with their boyfriends but when they go to a hotel they tried to be in a very low profile, maybe that is the reason that she has a ponytail so nobody will recognized her. The hotel is only 5 minutes driving from the casino i think is very difficult for him to drugged her so fast.
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« Reply #543 on: June 05, 2010, 02:43:43 AM »

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #544 on: June 05, 2010, 02:44:33 AM »

Okay, I'm sorry to do this, but I don't know how to post pictures here:

Go to post # 190 Yoran's pants are obviously falling off and it looks like he has wet himself (or is all that a shadow). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=8

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« Reply #545 on: June 05, 2010, 02:53:07 AM »

ARUBA

TWO GIRLS MURDERED..BY ONE OF YOUR OWN..

YOU HELPED TO COVER UP ONE MURDER...

THE BLOOD OF THE SECOND DRIPS FROM YOUR NAME

YOU WILL NEVER ESCAPE THAT!

LOGIC DICTATES..
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No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home!


« Reply #546 on: June 05, 2010, 02:53:09 AM »

Okay, I'm sorry to do this, but I don't know how to post pictures here:

Go to post # 190 Yoran's pants are obviously falling off and it looks like he has wet himself (or is all that a shadow). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=8


urine is just beginning to understand the $hit he is in.......
no shadow....he wet himself......
Good practice...will probaly be the only lubricate he'll have...
second reality....it's in the wrong area......
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« Reply #547 on: June 05, 2010, 02:56:10 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY/STEPHANY FLORES

TWO FREEBIRDS

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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« Reply #548 on: June 05, 2010, 03:00:49 AM »

Okay, I'm sorry to do this, but I don't know how to post pictures here:

Go to post # 190 Yoran's pants are obviously falling off and it looks like he has wet himself (or is all that a shadow). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=8



Here you go...

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #549 on: June 05, 2010, 03:07:40 AM »

Okay, I'm sorry to do this, but I don't know how to post pictures here:

Go to post # 190 Yoran's pants are obviously falling off and it looks like he has wet himself (or is all that a shadow). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106072&page=8



Here you go...



Thanks!  Maybe Klaas can juxtapose this picture of Joran beside the infamous picture of Paulus with his shorts unzipped.  Both picture are so gross...like father...like son!

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« Reply #550 on: June 05, 2010, 03:09:14 AM »


Why oh why did this family have to lose their daughter? You think you've heard the worst. Then this. Those Aruba fools let him get away with murder, and he does it again! Unbelievable...no, believable. and terrible.

I would hate to be the FBI official that was running the extortion case. That person will never forgive themselves. Doesn't make it their fault, but...

If I were a relative of Natalie's and had ideation episodes of going to Aruba and shooting Joran in the head 5 years ago...I might think I would be out by now. And this girl would be alive. I'd have to live with that.

These constructs are all self serving and concern personal or collective feelings of guilt. But it was those two poor girls that suffered, and their families that suffer still.

A terrible effect these crimes have is that we question or own society and our own rules. If he had been shot down in the street five years ago that girl would not have lost her life and her family would not be crying for her right now. But we don't do that, and look what happens.

I don't want to be a hater. This monster is making me. Let him die quickly. Whatever admissions he would make about his past crimes can never be believed anyway.
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« Reply #551 on: June 05, 2010, 03:18:15 AM »

I'd like to know if she was drugged before going to his hotel . Is there video of them entering or just eye witness accounts. I wonder if she was walking on her own or he was supporting her.
curly, I know the peruvian culture because big part of my family is from peru and I grew up there and I know that is very bad to go to a hotel with somebody, It doesn't mean that girls don't go to the hotel with their boyfriends but when they go to a hotel they tried to be in a very low profile, maybe that is the reason that she has a ponytail so nobody will recognized her. The hotel is only 5 minutes driving from the casino i think is very difficult for him to drugged her so fast.

What about if you include the 37 minutes they sat in her car after leaving the casino.  Another poster here said date-rape drug takes about 20 min. to take effect.  37 min. is plenty of time to sit in a car, have a drink and for a drug to take effect.  I believe Joran put something in Stephany's drink...she probably had no intention of going to his room at all...he could have asked her to just sit and have a last drink...then she was drugged and he took her to his hotel...IMO that's kidnapping...because she wouldn't have gone willingly, but under influence of a drug.  Now....if we only could see "who" drove her car out of the casino parking area.

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« Reply #552 on: June 05, 2010, 03:20:19 AM »


My thoughts exactly.  



And perhaps the no sexual assault on Stephany was because killing her is how he got his gratification this time?  Or maybe he truly does have impotency issues...........hmmmm I think it's time for Aline and Melody to both step forward with their sexual encounters with him.  We already know the Aruban Stephany (can't remember her last name) accused him of drugging her...

It's not about sex.
It's about the need for him to get a high and these type of sickos will get highs in killing.



*Feb Paulus van der Sloot died suddenly
* March Joran was crying to Jaap and told him Natalee fell off a balcony
* Pennsylvania couple snokeling take a photo of human remains on sea floor.
* 4-6-10 Joran in Lorenzo van accident in Aruba.
* Joran was out in Aruba socializing
* May 10, 2010 - Joran tried to extort $250,000 from Beth in exchange for information
about Natalee's death and he rec'd $15,000.00 down payment.
* May 26 - Joran told a girl he was in another country and that he had sold that Thai bar thing of his and had another business & working.
* Some of Joran's friends were in Aruba in COLUMBIA
* Joran goes to COLUMBIA and then travels into Peru for the poker tournament May 14
* Joran pays for 2 weeks hotel in advance and tells the desk he does not want any maid service.
* May 30 - Two weeks later he met Stephany Flores Ramirez and then murdered her.




totally premeditated
I am thinking during this time he hid the ball bat in the room so it would be there if he needed it to obtain money or sex.
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« Reply #553 on: June 05, 2010, 03:22:21 AM »

As terrible as his crimes have been, I think that the Holloways' response went a long way to get him out of circulation fairly early in his game. He was only 17 when they correctly named him as a murderer and made his face recognizable all over the globe. He is now only 22, when the recognition created by the Holloways has directly led to his arrest for the Peru murder. (Personally, I think there were other murders in the five "dark" years in between.) If not for the Holloways' persistence, Joran might have gone many years without being known for what he is. As it is, he probably won't live to age 30.

The Holloways, and all who helped them, may correctly believe that their efforts have helped to save many unknown women who would have been victimized and killed in the future.

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« Reply #554 on: June 05, 2010, 03:29:14 AM »



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #555 on: June 05, 2010, 03:30:57 AM »

I'd like to know if she was drugged before going to his hotel . Is there video of them entering or just eye witness accounts. I wonder if she was walking on her own or he was supporting her.
curly, I know the peruvian culture because big part of my family is from peru and I grew up there and I know that is very bad to go to a hotel with somebody, It doesn't mean that girls don't go to the hotel with their boyfriends but when they go to a hotel they tried to be in a very low profile, maybe that is the reason that she has a ponytail so nobody will recognized her. The hotel is only 5 minutes driving from the casino i think is very difficult for him to drugged her so fast.

What about if you include the 37 minutes they sat in her car after leaving the casino.  Another poster here said date-rape drug takes about 20 min. to take effect.  37 min. is plenty of time to sit in a car, have a drink and for a drug to take effect.  I believe Joran put something in Stephany's drink...she probably had no intention of going to his room at all...he could have asked her to just sit and have a last drink...then she was drugged and he took her to his hotel...IMO that's kidnapping...because she wouldn't have gone willingly, but under influence of a drug.  Now....if we only could see "who" drove her car out of the casino parking area.


I didnt know that they spent 37 minutes in her car. I know they have camaras everywhere. there are two parking areas for the casino, one is in the same building and the other one is next to the building like an empty lot that you can park there. In the parking area is in the casino, it is a basement and I know always is a security guy helping you to get out of the parking area and other gu that receive your parking ticket. In the other parking is next to the casino  i believe that they dont have camaras there. I would like to see those camaras.
I think that I read before that they were in the fiesta casino that its only a block a way from the atlantis casino. I am a little confuse Smile
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« Reply #556 on: June 05, 2010, 03:31:30 AM »

I'm blurry eyed and it's time for bed. Sleep well Monkeys! See you tomorrow! We're going to see it! We really are!


God Be With Natalee's and Stephany's Families!
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« Reply #557 on: June 05, 2010, 03:33:55 AM »


My thoughts exactly.  



And perhaps the no sexual assault on Stephany was because killing her is how he got his gratification this time?  Or maybe he truly does have impotency issues...........hmmmm I think it's time for Aline and Melody to both step forward with their sexual encounters with him.  We already know the Aruban Stephany (can't remember her last name) accused him of drugging her...

It's not about sex.
It's about the need for him to get a high and these type of sickos will get highs in killing.



*Feb Paulus van der Sloot died suddenly
* March Joran was crying to Jaap and told him Natalee fell off a balcony
* Pennsylvania couple snokeling take a photo of human remains on sea floor.
* 4-6-10 Joran in Lorenzo van accident in Aruba.
* Joran was out in Aruba socializing
* May 10, 2010 - Joran tried to extort $250,000 from Beth in exchange for information
about Natalee's death and he rec'd $15,000.00 down payment.
* May 26 - Joran told a girl he was in another country and that he had sold that Thai bar thing of his and had another business & working.
* Some of Joran's friends were in Aruba in COLUMBIA
* Joran goes to COLUMBIA and then travels into Peru for the poker tournament May 14
* Joran pays for 2 weeks hotel in advance and tells the desk he does not want any maid service.
* May 30 - Two weeks later he met Stephany Flores Ramirez and then murdered her.




totally premeditated
I am thinking during this time he hid the ball bat in the room so it would be there if he needed it to obtain money or sex.
he suposed to travel to cuzco sunday.
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« Reply #558 on: June 05, 2010, 03:42:24 AM »

Holy Smokes!  With breaking news in the Holloway and Petersen caes, as well as ongoing drama in the Anthony and Cummings' cases, I don't know if I can multi-task well enough to keep up with all the news.

It gives me hope, however, that justice can still come to those families who are still waiting.  My particular prayers are that that the murdering father of the Said sisters from Texas is caught and brought to justice.

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« Reply #559 on: June 05, 2010, 03:59:55 AM »

I'm blurry eyed and it's time for bed. Sleep well Monkeys! See you tomorrow! We're going to see it! We really are!


God Be With Natalee's and Stephany's Families!

CBB, that picture made me cry.
Seeing the Two BEAUTIFUL young ladies together broke my heart again...so sad.

JUSTICE for Natalee and Stephany!!

God BLESS them and their Families!

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